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Posts by Grig

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  • CIA director David Petraeus quits over affair with biographer

    11/09/2012 3:39:02 PM PST · 51 of 207
    Grig to Berlin_Freeper

    Wonder if the White house knew and used it to control him.

  • Edmund Muskie (history lesson and cultural note)

    11/09/2012 3:11:51 PM PST · 9 of 9
    Grig to TigerClaws

    Back in the 90’s there was a show called Sliders where the 4 main characters would ‘slide’ between alternate realities trying to find their way home. Sometimes they ran into alternate versions of themselves.

    One world they landed in had women in charge of everything and men were the focus of male-bashing bigotry that kept them as second class citizens. One of the 4 sliders alternate there was actually a candidate for president, but had mysteriously disappeared. Naturally everybody thinks the slider guy is that candidate, so he winds up debating the female POTUS, but he wants to lose, so he ‘pulls a Muskie’ and when attacked in the debate starts crying and talking about how hurt he feels.

    This has the opposite effect however, all the women voters are moved by his tears and the POTUS looks like she is ‘as mean as a man can be’.

    Welcome to your alternate reality.

  • Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

    11/09/2012 9:23:24 AM PST · 34 of 34
    Grig to Venturer

    In Utah, not many, perhaps none.

  • NY Times Predicts Obama will take Netanyahu to the Woodshed

    11/09/2012 9:20:39 AM PST · 57 of 61
    Grig to RoosterRedux

    If Obama and Bibi head out to a woodshed, my money is on Bibi.

  • What Romney’s Transition Website Would Have Looked Like - Leaked Photos Revealed

    11/08/2012 3:38:53 PM PST · 38 of 59
    Grig to GlockThe Vote

    The difference between what would have been and what will be is so great I wonder if that distace will ever be spanned in the future. I fear America has missed the last exit ramp on the road to serfdom.

  • America: Get Ready For War!

    11/08/2012 3:25:36 PM PST · 21 of 21
    Grig to arthurus

    I’d be temped if I was Bibi to call Obama and tell him the bombers just took off, and then sit back with a stopwatch and wait to see how long it takes Iran to go on high alert.

  • A RINO [Mitt] running as a yes man conservative (and losing) isn't a rejection of conservatism

    11/08/2012 7:48:01 AM PST · 23 of 69
    Grig to Laissez-faire capitalist

    I disagree with your characterization of Mitt, but even if it was true that would still make him a far better choice than Obama.

    Trumpet the ‘conservatism didn’t lose’ line all you want, but the ugly truth is something far more basic DID lose. Common sense lost, the ability to comprehend the most basic economic principles lost, the ability to learn from experience lost, being able to perceive reality lost. Do you really think conservatism has a chance when even the current mess doesn’t drive people to try something, anything else and they hold out their hand to government and say gimmie!

  • Don't Blame Romney

    11/08/2012 5:59:56 AM PST · 22 of 70
    Grig to Kaslin

    All of Romney’s negatives, real or perceived, still don’t add up to making Obama a rational choice given his record. If you are looking for somebody who can’t be smeared or demonized by other side then good luck, even Christ had to put up with that.

    The vote that took place is an indictment of the American people, not Mitt.

  • Quake - 6.3 off of Vancouver Island, Canada

    11/07/2012 7:48:34 PM PST · 15 of 18
    Grig to djf

    I’m in the Ottawa Valley, and there is a fault line here. Usually we get one 3+ quake every 10 years or so. Two years ago we had a 5, Since Sept 1 this year we have had 2 3’s and a 4.

    Yeah, I know that is small potatoes as far as quakes go, but it’s a trend all the same.

  • It’s the turnout, stupid (Great analysis)

    11/07/2012 7:42:45 PM PST · 34 of 58
    Grig to Bigtigermike

    I don’t care what the perceived flaws with Romney were, even if every single flaw he has been accused of was 100% valid it is still NO EXCUSE for letting Obama win. Anybody who did either of those is guilty of either an intellectual or a moral failure.


    11/07/2012 2:02:09 PM PST · 20 of 45
    Grig to vivabushchick

    Here’s a plan:

    Texas leaves the Union, goes hard core conservative outlawing abortion etc so liberals there flee to the rest of the the USA. They start drilling for oil in the Gulf and defend their border.

    As the US falls more and more into debt, Texas buys up Arizona, Utah, etc. until you have a solid homeland for all conservatives and the Liberals left with the rest.

    Optional: rename Texas to Gault’s Gulch.

  • Vanity: Romney: As predicted, He Proved to Be the Wrong Man

    11/07/2012 5:11:14 AM PST · 123 of 163
    Grig to ryan71

    Exactly, the American people had the sharp stick of reality poking them in the back toward Mitt. This restult is not with Mitt not running well, or from Obama running well, it is pure and simply a reflection on the state of the American people.

    America is now enrolled in advanced courses in the school of hard knocks.

  • 2012 ELECTION LIVE THREAD II !!!!!!!!

    11/06/2012 8:57:41 PM PST · 1,435 of 1,982
    Grig to Gator113

    Fox just showed Ohio numbers, Mitt is ahead now by 3k

  • 2012 ELECTION LIVE THREAD II !!!!!!!!

    11/06/2012 8:33:34 PM PST · 1,321 of 1,982
    Grig to Reddy

    or move to Canada

  • 2012 ELECTION LIVE THREAD II !!!!!!!!

    11/06/2012 8:32:08 PM PST · 1,299 of 1,982
    Grig to mylife

    Rove making a good case on Fox for Ohio could still go for Mitt when counting done.

  • 2012 ELECTION LIVE THREAD II !!!!!!!!

    11/06/2012 8:30:15 PM PST · 1,289 of 1,982
    Grig to Absolutely Nobama

    Romney camp disputing Ohio call for Obama, hanging in there.

  • 2012 ELECTION LIVE THREAD II !!!!!!!!

    11/06/2012 8:14:32 PM PST · 1,172 of 1,982
    Grig to AmericanDave

    You can’t realistically expect a better mix of circumstances to create a GOP landslide, and look what happened instead. It isn’t about liberal or conservative, it isn’t about policy or record or any thinking reason. There are too many ignorant, media brainwashed drones out there. There is too great a double standard that allows Dems to break the law as they will and hems in the GOP for any little thing.

    If Romney pulls it off, and does a good job, that might work change things for the good, but if he loses I think the only thing that will cause a widespread wake up will be for America to feel in full the consequences of this foolishness. It could be economic collapse, it could be war on American soil, it could be a nuclear terrorist strike, but it will hurt bad enough to break people out of their trance.

  • ‘That’s When You Know You’re Gonna Win’ (Pittsburgh Airport,check out the video at link!)

    11/06/2012 3:54:03 PM PST · 51 of 60
    Grig to smoothsailing

    I am SO looking forward to Obama’s concession speech. Yes, I know it will be full of lies and he will be petty and mean and a sore loser etc. but it won’t change the fact that he lost and I’ll just laugh at his childishness.

  • Mormon Volunteers Outperform Government in New England Sandy Aid

    11/05/2012 7:43:18 PM PST · 7 of 34
    Grig to Morpheus2009

    A couple years ago some study showed that Mormons are the most conservative-voting religious community in the USA, so they pretty much already are a voting block for the GOP (in spite of attacks on our faith by evangelical conservatives). You do have large numbers of Mormons in liberal states like NY who vote liberal of course, but it is really hard to square Democratic policies with Mormon doctrine.

  • Mormon Volunteers Outperform Government in New England Sandy Aid

    11/05/2012 7:07:22 PM PST · 1 of 34
    I'm surprised there hasn't been some MSM paranoid hissy fit accusing Mormon Helping Hands of being the church trying to help Mitt.
  • Has God Sided With Mitt Romney? (Vanity)

    10/29/2012 4:32:25 PM PDT · 18 of 57
    Grig to OrangeHoof

    Has God Sided With Mitt Romney? Romney is a faithful Mormon, so I’d say the answer is yes. And if you ask me, God has been hedging up the way for Obama and opening doors for Mitt for a while now. If Romney stays true to his faith he’ll wind up being one of the greatest presidents.

  • Obama Supporters Rally Around Anti-Mormonism

    10/25/2012 7:37:03 PM PDT · 57 of 255
    Grig to ansel12

    That’s exactly what the Catholic Church said of Protestantism back when it was new. Mormonism is a distinct branch of Christianity. The biased opinions of other churches doesn’t change the fact that we are Christian, and nobody is an expert in in any religion simply by virtue of where they live.

    Christ taught that by their fruits ye shall know them. You look at the lives of good faithful Mormons, and you see the fruit of Christ.

  • Obama Supporters Rally Around Anti-Mormonism

    10/25/2012 5:07:12 PM PDT · 26 of 255
    Grig to Loud Mime
    As opposed to those who believe they are>b> "saved" from obedience to God's orders and the true test of one's character. Interesting.

    So, those who are 'saved from obedience' (don't recall that teaching in the bible) can just go and disregard everything God has asked them to do and expect all the blessing of heaven? Interesting.

  • Obama Supporters Rally Around Anti-Mormonism

    10/25/2012 5:03:55 PM PDT · 24 of 255
    Grig to ansel12

    Mormons believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the Son of God, that he was born of a virgin, lived a perfect life, performed miracles, suffered for our sins, died on the cross, rose on the third day, and that only through him can be return to be with God.

    That makes us Christians, and all the other differences don’t change that. We use the Bible and in fact a recent study shows the average Mormon is more knowledgeable about the Bible than the average Evangelical.

  • Obama Supporters Rally Around Anti-Mormonism

    10/25/2012 5:00:43 PM PDT · 23 of 255
    Grig to lurk

    I think you’ve been buying into some of the many false claims anti-Momons make. Creepy is a matter of opinion, I find the idea of eating something that has magically turned into human flesh and blood kind of creepy. As for micro-managing, that isn’t right at all, the philosophy of the church is to teach correct principles and let people govern themselves. Tithing and offerings are voluntary and while every church has hypocrites in it, the church itself conducts itself with honor.

    Also, the united order was very different than collectivism, and if you look in the early part of Acts you can see the apostles doing the same thing.

  • It Looks Like We’ve Discovered Gloria Allred’s Romney-Bashing October Surprise

    10/21/2012 1:58:41 PM PDT · 134 of 320
    Grig to Nachum

    Yeah, I’m back too (we’ll see for how long I guess). I take it as a tacit admission that purging Mitt supporters was a huge mistake. Anyway.....

    This part stood out to me:

    “The LDS leader in Massachusetts at that time, called the “stake president,” was a Harvard-trained physician, Dr. Gordon Williams, and he counseled Sheldon to follow her doctor’s advice to terminate the pregnancy and protect her own life, so that she could continue caring for her four living children. “Of course, you should have the abortion,” she recalled him saying.”

    I’m calling BS on that. Bishops and Stake Presidents as I understand it are NEVER supposed to say anything like that. They can say something like: ‘Because medical authorities legitimately see this pregnancy as a threat to your own life, there will be no consequences to you from the church if you choose to get an abortion, but that doesn’t mean it is what you should do, you need to go to God and talk with Him about that.’ The decision and the responsibility for it lie with the woman, church leaders do not give authorization like that.

    Bottom line is Mitt acted in a way consistent with the beliefs he has talked about on the campaign trail. He used nothing but words, persuasion not threats or force, and she still got the abortion. Total non-issue, but Mitt may be hampered in responding to it because he is not free to make private conversations he had while acting as Bishop public. He can make broad statements (”I never attempted to bully anybody... etc.”) but he won’t be able to get too specific without her permission I think. Likewise the Stake President.

  • I Dare

    06/15/2012 9:08:03 AM PDT · 218 of 704
    Grig to Grig

    Well, after pointing out how FR has devolved into an anti-Mormon love-fest, hurting FR in the process, (a view several non-Mormon posters above expressed agreement with), the anti-Mormons are here to just prove my point in their own way.

    I guess my work on this thread is done. Thank you all. I look forward to your reactions to Romney’s election and terms as POTUS.

  • I Dare

    06/15/2012 8:57:43 AM PDT · 213 of 704
    Grig to greyfoxx39

    If you think US elections don’t have an impact on things up here in Canada you are very mistaken. I’ve spoken out on many past US presidential election where no Mormon was involved and if your only defense against what I say is to call me Canadian, that is a pretty weak counter argument.

    I made no accusation, I only offered an opinion based on my experience and on history. I don’t really care what you think of it, I’ll be quite happy for there to be no such attempt on the POTUS by anybody.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 8:48:34 PM PDT · 196 of 704
    Grig to Colofornian

    All as in ‘each one of them has something wrong’, not all as in ‘every bit of every one of them wrong’. But of course for people who want to be offended, or at least act offended as a rhetorical tactic, will take it whatever they serves their agenda best.

    Why do you care (or pretend to care) so much about what Mormons think of your creeds? Why is our approval so important to you? It is strange.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 7:44:34 PM PDT · 194 of 704
    Grig to CatherineofAragon

    “Sorry, but that’s not the way it works. You can’t deny basic Biblical doctrine, even down to the nature of God, and call yourself Christian.”

    Being Christian does not require subscribing to the orthodox view. Look up the word Christian in the dictionary and you won’t see a requirement to buy into the trinity or the creeds.

    What we reject is orthodox Christianity’s interpretation of the Bible from which they derive doctrines about the nature of God etc. that we hold as being incorrect. Nor are our doctrines ‘made up’ but revealed by God.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 7:39:12 PM PDT · 193 of 704
    Grig to muawiyah

    “It’s well known that the mob that went after JS had been members...”

    BS, it did include some who were excommunicated from us for their sins, but the historical fact is that the mob was people from Carthage, not Nauvoo.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 7:31:32 PM PDT · 192 of 704
    Grig to muawiyah

    “Given the history of Presidential assassinations it’s going to be another Leftwingtard ~ maybe someone exactly like Harry Reid ~ hey, maybe Harry Reid himself!”

    LOL, Reid? How would he do it? Whisper him to death? I don’t think he could come up with enough manliness to put a worm on a fishing hook unless it was a photo-op.

    I won’t rule out a left-winger trying, but I expect Mitt to pick a strong conservative running mate and so a lefty knocking him off wouldn’t help them any.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 7:24:54 PM PDT · 191 of 704
    Grig to Colofornian

    Except that being Christian only means accepting Christ as the Son of God and Savior and seeking salvation through his atonement. So Catholics, Protestants, and Mormons all count as Christian groups no matter what one has authority or what one is actually correct (ie: a living branch rather than a dead one). The problem you talk about simply doesn’t exist for us. You guys seem to be the ones having trouble wrapping your head around it.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 7:19:15 PM PDT · 190 of 704
    Grig to Colofornian

    If you want to take it as a personal insult that we think your religion is not a 100% match for the gospel of Christ (just as every religion thinks of every other religion), be my guest, but it is kind of childish to act like that.

    If you want to exaggerate your grievance by falsely saying we hold the rest Christianity as 100% wrong when we see a lot of common ground, you can do that to, but it makes you look dishonest.

    If you want to believe that a person can spit in the face of a true prophet of God and reject the word of God that comes through him and still legitimately claim to be a follower of Christ, you have that option, but be too surprised when those who do that and don’t repent of it wind up damned.

    Take a look at many of the posts here, non-Mormon poster after non-Mormon poster saying how sick they are of the kind of crap you are pulling right here.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 6:59:54 PM PDT · 189 of 704
    Grig to Colofornian

    “Oh, sure there is...only instead of protesting like the Westboro family, you get Mormon back-and-forth murders between Mormon sects — like the LeBaron Mormons (see Ervil LeBaron...oh, and see also the Lafferty Brother Mormons”

    The fact that you have to resort to naming groups outside of the LDS church who act contrary to the teachings of the LDS church underscores my point that my church isn’t out there stirring up contention.

    “Ya know, the Westboros are essentially just one extended family — not so much a “church” or “denomination”... “

    Just pointing out an example of a certain kind of mentality, and when it comes to Mormons, that mentality seems to be on display among some Evangelicals.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 2:49:11 PM PDT · 176 of 704
    Grig to SZonian

    “A seeker of truth should never see gentle, truthful rebuke or rebuttal as anything other than concern and love.”

    Of course, but that isn’t what I’m talking about. Mockery, insults, the intellectual dishonesty of repeating in thread after thread accusation that have already been rebutted, the refusal to give honest consideration to anything said in reply, those are not the actions of somebody filled with concern and love. Look at the replies to this thread, a LOT of people see the hate fueled Mormon bashing for what it is.

    “Nope, I won’t let them believe this”

    Good luck with that, they’ll make up their own minds.

    “But answer me this; How is mormonism to be considered a “third branch of Christianity” when mormons claim and have claimed since its inception that it’s a “complete restoration”?”

    Same way we consider Catholicism and Protestantism to be part of Christianity, we are the branch that is correct :).

    Catholics claim exclusive authority from Peter but that doesn’t seem to be an issue.

    “Again, what you see as “hatred” and “garbage”, I see as rebuke. “

    Well, if you are trying to rebuke somebody out of love and all they perceive is hatred then you are not doing a very good job, are you? Perhaps you could try to learn from your mistakes so you can be more effective.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 12:41:36 PM PDT · 166 of 704
    Grig to Colofornian

    Hope you enjoyed the video too.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 12:32:38 PM PDT · 165 of 704
    Grig to Colofornian

    “...only two posters (I believe) thought this incendiary prophesy was “over the top vitriol” eh???”

    The intense level of vitriol spewed by some Evangelicals toward Mormonism makes it plausible that some already unbalanced person Westboro Baptist type might feel justified resorting to violence to ‘protect’ America from having a Mormon president. The replies reflect that a lot of people see that as plausible, and you don’t have anybody to blame but yourselves for that.

    “If the reverse was done — if a present or future MORMON had been pegged as a presidential assassin on a thread, the hue and cry would have been great...”

    I can’t say how others would react, but I would find the suggestion so insane I would laugh at how stupid the poster was making themselves look. Are Mormon Bishops or other leaders out whipping up animosity against any others? No. Is there some group within my church that is similar to the Westboro Baptists? Not that I know of. Plus we’ve been just fine with all kinds of non-Mormon presidents, helping them get elected, supporting them in office, working with them.

    Anyway, your paranoid hyperventilating is as amusing as always.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 6:31:11 AM PDT · 151 of 704
    Grig to jersey117


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    06/14/2012 5:24:21 AM PDT · 148 of 704
    Grig to BlueDragon

    They are only my predictions, not prophecies.

  • I Dare

    06/14/2012 5:20:04 AM PDT · 147 of 704
    Grig to meadsjn

    “Yes, we all know about that prophecy thing, (that some Mormon will save the USA, or something like that)...”

    What you are referring to is something the church has denounced as a fake. There are a number of second hand accounts of Joseph Smith saying something along the lines of the brethren of the Church being instrumental in preserving the constitution in some unspecified way, but no first hand account so we don’t know exactly what he said. None of the second hand accounts however talk in terms of one single Mormon doing this, only of the church as a whole so trying to link it to Romney is invalid.

  • I Dare

    06/13/2012 9:30:10 PM PDT · 120 of 704
    Grig to Mozilla

    I like Palin and Romney, not sure that she would be the best choice for a running mate, and she seems cool to the idea herself, but I don’t have anything against her.

  • I Dare

    06/13/2012 8:56:58 PM PDT · 109 of 704
    Grig to Puckster

    “Well then, defend Mormonism.

    If I post a comparison of scripture in comparison to Mormon books and literature, tell me why I should see it as christian.”

    ‘Mormon books and literature’ that is pretty vague and includes a whack of stuff that is nothing but some author’s opinion and not at all binding on the church. If you want to compare against the Bible, then compare against what is in our scriptures’ I’ll be happy to converse with you on that via freepmail as long as I’m not zotted for this and as long as you give fair consideration to my replies and remain intellectually honest.

  • I Dare

    06/13/2012 8:45:45 PM PDT · 105 of 704
    Grig to muawiyah

    “Oh, yeah, and about his casual reference to Evangelicals and Moslems being nutjobs...”

    Not what I said. I said the theoretical individual would be a nutjob, not all people of that faith.

    Joseph Smith was killed while he was a presidential candidate, and the mob that did it wasn’t motivated by politics but by religious intolerance. There has been some very inflammatory rhetoric from some corners of the evangelical world about having a Mormon POTUS that could incite a nutjob to violence.

  • I Dare

    06/13/2012 6:41:28 PM PDT · 40 of 704
    Grig to A.Hun

    “This OP is right to call FR on it.”

    Wow, I’m impressed that so many are willing to post in support and likewise call FR on it. Thanks everybody!

  • I Dare

    06/13/2012 6:30:35 PM PDT · 28 of 704
    Grig to aMorePerfectUnion

    “If I remember correctly, you are personally responsible for the infamous “hosing the pigs” thread, that spread such love among FReepers.”

    Yes, I’m actually rather proud of that post I made and included a link to it above. If people want to take a metaphor literally to claim offense that is their problem, not mine.

  • I Dare

    06/13/2012 6:28:12 PM PDT · 25 of 704
    Grig to muawiyah

    “You’ll have to get it through your head that criticism of Romney does not equal criticism of Mormonism”

    I know Romney isn’t perfect, I can make some valid criticisms of him myself, but if you don’t think that there are some whose opposition to Romney is not rooted more in his being Mormon than the rest of it then you are not paying attention.

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    06/13/2012 6:05:26 PM PDT · 1 of 704
  • (FReep Poll) Which Science Fictional Scenario Is Most Likely to Happen in Your Lifetime?

    04/17/2012 9:08:02 AM PDT · 71 of 71
    Grig to airborne

    Never really thought of that as science fiction, but yeah.