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  • Single Mom Prepares

    09/30/2014 11:41:45 PM PDT · 32 of 34
    imardmd1 to SueRae

    You’re giving a wonderful example of resourcefulness for your children. You’re doing exactly what God wants you to do (Prov. 31, Titus 2). Keep it up!

  • Victory! Boys born as boys can shower with girls in Kentucky school

    09/30/2014 5:07:46 PM PDT · 53 of 89
    imardmd1 to carriage_hill
    When you are the anvil, bear.

    If you are the hammer, strike.

  • Victory! Boys born as boys can shower with girls in Kentucky school

    09/30/2014 5:02:21 PM PDT · 49 of 89
    imardmd1 to SeekAndFind

    Rule 1. It had better be limp.

  • Single Mom Prepares

    09/30/2014 4:55:46 PM PDT · 23 of 34
    imardmd1 to SueRae

    Are you a farm girl? Most of the things the author wrote just come with the territory of being born and raised on a working farm, especially dairy or meat-raising type. That may be rarer now than it was 50 years ago, though.

  • White couple sues, says sperm bank gave vials from black donor

    09/30/2014 4:20:40 PM PDT · 31 of 62
    imardmd1 to McGruff
    she said has made it difficult for her and her same-sex partner to raise their now 2-year-old daughter in an all-white community.

    Well, she won't be able to claim parthenogenesis, will she?

  • FCC Considering Move to Ban NFL Redskins Team Name

    09/30/2014 4:11:00 PM PDT · 17 of 69
    imardmd1 to foreverfree
    It's only a slur when the team loses. But their take-home pay is pretty good, even for "native" Americans.

    (Don't forget -- I'm a native American. My antecedants. originally from Europe, have been bearing native children here since at least the 1740s.)

  • Hilarious but Scary Quotes from Liberals

    09/29/2014 7:49:22 AM PDT · 15 of 19
    imardmd1 to Portcall24
    Have you ever read the whole poem?

    "The Betrothed" (click here)

    Actually, until you've been to Canada, where you can buy a good Havana, you don't know what a real Cigar is like. Just don't try to bring any back, or the US border guards will take the cigars and impound your car, and auction it. (Although they don't seem to notice illegal immigrants anymore.)

  • Hilarious but Scary Quotes from Liberals

    09/29/2014 7:31:25 AM PDT · 14 of 19
    imardmd1 to newfreep
    Re the tag:"Goodness succeeds when evil men are prevented from doing anything."

    Time to impeach.

  • Help: Good friend of family (Catholic) is unsure of her Salvation - Afraid to assume Heaven.

    09/29/2014 2:14:40 AM PDT · 68 of 73
    imardmd1 to Mark17

    Sometimes it’s hard to find a Dale Carnegie moment, eh? :^)

  • Help: Good friend of family (Catholic) is unsure of her Salvation - Afraid to assume Heaven.

    09/29/2014 1:21:46 AM PDT · 63 of 73
    imardmd1 to Mark17

    It’s getting late. 09:21 hours Zulu now. Jesus is still waiting . . .

  • Help: Good friend of family (Catholic) is unsure of her Salvation - Afraid to assume Heaven.

    09/29/2014 1:19:00 AM PDT · 62 of 73
    imardmd1 to Mark17

    Same. Just substitute Witnessisn, Or Methodism. Or . . . whatever. Only Jesus, only The Crucified Jesus Jehovah saves. Eh?

  • Help: Good friend of family (Catholic) is unsure of her Salvation - Afraid to assume Heaven.

    09/29/2014 12:58:48 AM PDT · 60 of 73
    imardmd1 to RoosterRedux
    Dear Rooster, this woman is very wise in estimating that her Catholicism cannot save her. Catholicism is neither here nor there in getting to heaven. Here is The Key for her, that Jesus gave to Peter, to John, and to every witness of His Gospel to tell:

    John 20:28-31:

    28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
    29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
    30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
    31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

    Doubting Thomas believed, and was pronounced saved, free of guilt, and Heaven-bound, without any Catholicism, baptism, or good works involved. Thomas's requirement, and hers likewise, as for all of us, is simply to persistently and completely dedicate all her trust in the Crucified Jesus Christ, and appropriate His Lordship over all her heart.

    That is the saving Gospel. There is no other. And The Father will save, comfort, and give grace and peace for her future.

    Tell her, "Be obedient. Do as Thomas did, whose soul is at this moment with Jesus in Heaven. Be assured. Throw yourself on Him and receive His Blessing. Do not wait. Let no one distract you. Accept everlasting life, starting now."

  • Help: Good friend of family (Catholic) is unsure of her Salvation - Afraid to assume Heaven.

    09/29/2014 12:08:45 AM PDT · 58 of 73
    imardmd1 to Mark17

    Ha! I was just checking this thread out. Any suggestion for this Catholic lady?

  • Hilarious but Scary Quotes from Liberals

    09/28/2014 11:57:21 PM PDT · 8 of 19
    imardmd1 to grumpa

    Rudyard Kipling: “A woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.”

  • Hilarious but Scary Quotes from Liberals

    09/28/2014 11:53:52 PM PDT · 7 of 19
    imardmd1 to grumpa
    W. C. Fields: "A man cop that hates dogs and kids can't be all bad."
  • Beheading Suspect Alton 'Jah'Keem Yisrael' Nolen's Mother: There's Two Sides To Every Story

    09/28/2014 11:38:56 PM PDT · 83 of 132
    imardmd1 to vette6387; absentee
    It's his hands that did the beheading to the woman. Just cut his hands and his genitals off and let him live. To a jihadist, dying is nothing. Living without hands or equipment to diddle virgins is the true downer for him -- it's everything, a real paradox to ponder on.
  • Beheading Suspect Alton 'Jah'Keem Yisrael' Nolen's Mother: There's Two Sides To Every Story

    09/28/2014 11:25:09 PM PDT · 82 of 132
    imardmd1 to absentee

    This is semi-news, semi-satire, right? < gag >

  • Astronomers confirm contamination by stardust in detection of sky ripples

    09/28/2014 11:09:04 PM PDT · 2 of 11
    imardmd1 to smokingfrog

    later

  • Washington Post: Introspection time for evangelicals

    09/28/2014 8:34:21 PM PDT · 23 of 23
    imardmd1 to imardmd1

    I’m glad that I don’t have to follow a savior who uses words like this to communicate salvation to an Inuit seal-hunter.

  • Immodest Dressing Could Lead to Killing (Unborn Babies)

    09/28/2014 2:38:28 PM PDT · 36 of 50
    imardmd1 to chae
    Actually, let me suggest that you take this up with a godly, spiritually mature woman who has been generally discipled in all phases of the life of w girl or woman that Jesus indicates pleases Him. That is the function of older women teachers. See Titus 2:3-5, 1 Peter 3:1-6, and 1 Timothy 2:9-11.

    What these Scriptures say, in a non-negotiable way, that those outside The Faith will take it that the immodest person, male or female, will cause the Word of The God to be blasphemed,

    < Is that what you want?

    In becoming a Christian pleasing to God, in discarding the the world' acculturation and entering the culture where Jesus Christ is Lord, you will be both figuratively and literally be putting off the old worldly person and putting on the customs and appearance of the new, distinctly Christ-centered person.

    This process is non-optional. To refuse it brings your own belief structure into question as to whether you are realy saved. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

  • Immodest Dressing Could Lead to Killing (Unborn Babies)

    09/28/2014 10:56:05 AM PDT · 7 of 50
    imardmd1 to mlizzy
    This issue is correctly addressed by Fr. Carota, and needs constant repeating in the assembly, as well as church discipline, to keep modesty in the forefront of every Christian's behavior. Immodesty is just a form of bragging, however it is presented. Together with it is the core issue of dating, with a dating conduct carte blanche offered to the very youngest teenagers by the current culture of the world.

    Probably the easiest and most effective implementation of mutual modesty is for every Christian woman, teener or mature, to dress such that attention is drawn to her face, especially in the time for assembly. Men need to take the stance with their eyes as did Job, "For why should I look upon a maid" (look it up). Look at a woman's eyes, to the ground, or to the middle distance. That is modest behavior.

  • Washington Post: Introspection time for evangelicals

    09/28/2014 10:22:26 AM PDT · 19 of 23
    imardmd1 to SeekAndFind

    later

  • Holder Resigns as AG

    09/28/2014 10:09:07 AM PDT · 4 of 7
    imardmd1 to Diogenesis

    The Bobbsey twins — of Constitution Avenue

  • The D.I. with Jack Webb - The Sand Flea Burial Detail

    09/27/2014 9:39:26 PM PDT · 2 of 9
    imardmd1 to DemforBush
    I remember the scene, film, the theater, my date, and our pre-movie dinner, the whole sweet summer evening, as a college student home for the summer. My yen for those times is so deep that it hurts.

    A nice but wistful memory for me, thanks!

  • Fired Muslim who beheaded female colleague after losing his job in argument over stoning women

    09/27/2014 9:20:12 PM PDT · 73 of 73
    imardmd1 to Rome2000

    Too late, I guess —

  • Home owner discovers ancient underground city beneath his house in Anatolia

    09/27/2014 8:39:49 PM PDT · 44 of 63
    imardmd1 to chajin
    Seriously, the word "anatolia" in the Koine Greek of the Bible means "east" in English. It is the word used by the Greeks to refer to the land over which there were many battles with the Persians, and the beginning of the route over which Alexander, the Macedonian, began to conquer the world and spread his language.

    It is also the area from which the wise men, the Magi, came to see Jesus. They were "μαγοι απο ανατολων" (magoi apo anatolohn," = wise men from the East, who saw "τον αστερα εν τη ανατολη" (ton astera en tay anatolay) = the star in the east, that is, in Anatolia, which is now also called Turkey.

    Jerome, translating the Koine in the Vulgate Latin, called them "magi ab oriente" from which the carol gets "We Three Kings Of Orient Are."

  • Fired Muslim who beheaded female colleague after losing his job in argument over stoning women

    09/27/2014 5:22:41 PM PDT · 58 of 73
    imardmd1 to Rome2000

    You’re including Black Muslims?

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/26/2014 12:33:45 AM PDT · 76 of 76
    imardmd1 to Laissez-faire capitalist
    In the end, I agree with you...just because Jerome copied them does not make them inspired.

    "Inspiration" is a big, big topic, for which word the 1915 edition of the International Standard Bible Encylopedia (ISBE) devotes about 160 column inches (over 13 feet) to its definition and use. I believe it is important to know that no human authorship could produce a progressively revealed, integrated, infallible, self-explanatory, comprehensive completed document that describes everything we need to know about the Testimony of God regarding The Messiah, and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace.

    I believe your initial thrust was to examne the reliability of the Scriptures from which St. Jerome translated the Vulgate, what the relationship is between the languages of the Old Testament, and whether Jesus and His followers used the Hebrew or the Greek in the establishment over humans through His churches. To that end, I would like to direct your attention to the analyses that I have mentioned previously in this thread>

    The thesis is that there was NO Septuagint such as you assumed, in the time of Jesus. But a Greek OT was produced after His ministry and subsequent to the writing of the substance of the NT, yet before Jerome's time. (click here)

    ********* Excerpt 1 **********

    There was no pre-Christian, official and authoritative so called Greek Septuagint. What passes for the LXX today is nothing more than the Vaticanus, Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus manuscripts, all of which were written some 250 to 300 years AFTER the New Testament was already complete.

    If there had been an authoritative pre-Christian LXX in wide use and circulation, there would not have been any need for people like Jerome, Aquila, Symmachus, Theodotian, Lucian and Hesychius to make their own translations years later. There are several so called Septuagints out there and none of them agree with the others. There are only a few remaining scraps that could possibly be dated as B.C. writings, and even those sites that mention them tell us that they do not agree with other Septuagint copies. In all likelihood they are nothing more than the confused remnants of an independent individual's own attempt at a translation, just as several others did at a later date.

    There are several scholars like Jerome, John Gill and John Owen who affirm that already completed N.T. quotations were deliberately placed back into the Septuagint versions to make more of them line up. And finally, for examples of how God often "quotes" Himself, see the later part of the study.

    The Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles did NOT quote from a Pre-Christian LXX. This from Wikipedia article on the so called Greek Septuagint -

    "The Septuagint (/ˈsɛptuədʒɪnt/), or simply "LXX", is the Koine Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, erroniously assumed to be translated in stages between the 3rd and 1st centuries BC in Alexandria. The Septuagint was most probably translated by Origen in about 300 AD. There is at least one nearly complete text of the LXX, Codex Alexandrinus. Nearly complete texts of the Septuagint are also found in the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.

    ********* Excerpt 2 *********

    SUPPORT FROM AN UNEXPECTED SOURCE - ST. JEROME In Adam Clarke's commentary on Psalm 14 he notes: "Yet IT HAS BEEN CONTENDED, PARTICULARLY BY ST. JEROME, THAT PAUL DID NOT QUOTE THEM (the verses in Romans 3:10-18) from this Psalm; but...he collected from different parts several passages that bore upon the subject, and united them here....AND THAT SUCCEEDING COPYISTS, FINDING THEM IN ROMANS INSERTED THEM INTO THE SEPTUAGINT, from which it was presumed they had been lost. It does not appear that they made a part of this Psalm in Origen's Hexapla. In the portions that still exist of this Psalm there is not a word of these additional verses referred to in that collection, neither here nor in the parallel Psalm 53."

    Now keep in mind, that in working on the Latin Vulgate in 380 A.D., Jerome began to consult the Hebrew texts. Here is testimony from a learned scholar way back in 380 A.D. who held to the idea that the LXX borrowed whole verses from the already completed N.T. text, and transplanted them back into their LXX version.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia ******

    (click here)

    ************** Excerpt 1 **************

    Official Revision of Hebrew Text circa 100 AD:

    But it was not until the beginning of the 2nd century AD that the divergence between the Greek and the Palestinian Hebrew text reached an acute stage. One cause of this was the revision of the Hebrew text which took place about this time. No actual record of this revision exists, but it is beyond doubt that it originated in the rabbinical school, of which Rabbi Akiba was the chief representative, and which had its center at Jamnia in the years following the destruction of Jerusalem. The Jewish doctors, their temple in ruins, concentrated their attention on the settlement of the text of the Scriptures which remained to them. This school of eminent critics, precursors of the Massoretes, besides settling outstanding questions concerning the Canon, laid down strict rules for Biblical interpretation, and in all probability established an official text.

    ************** Excerpt 2 **************

    Recensions Known to Jerome:

    Such assistance is partly furnished by two other recensions made in the century after Origen. Jerome (Praef. in Paralipp.; compare Adv. Ruf., ii.27) states that in the 4th century three recensions circulated in different parts of the Christian world: "Alexandria and Egypt in their Septuagint acclaim Hesychius as their authority, the region from Constantinople to Antioch approves the copies of Lucian the martyr, the intermediate Palestinian provinces read the manuscripts which were promulgated by Eusebius and Pamphilus on the basis of Origen's labors, and the whole world is divided between these three varieties of text."

  • 15 Fun Facts from Archbishop Fulton Sheen’s FBI file

    09/25/2014 10:06:17 PM PDT · 28 of 31
    imardmd1 to NYer
    Thanks for these further memories.

    I'm not sure who presented today's indoctrination to our children, but probably it was us who were so bent on careers as wage-slaves that let our influence slip into the hands of well-meaning but unwise mentors who supplanted us in our duties.

    We placed too much trust in educational theorists of the John Dewey and Dr. Spock variety, I fear, and like the Pied Piper of Hamelin, they have stolen our heritage.

  • 15 Fun Facts from Archbishop Fulton Sheen’s FBI file

    09/25/2014 3:41:59 AM PDT · 19 of 31
    imardmd1 to NYer
    As a paperboy for the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle, I would hear snatches of Bp. Sheen's voice playing on my customers' radios or TVs while I was out collecting from door to door on Fridays and Saturdays. That, or the monotonous repetition of the Rosary on other programs.

    Brings back lots of nostalgic memories of the early 1950s. I was a conservative without knowing it even then -- having no concept, as a small-town kid, of any other way of thinking or living -- doggone!

  • What if everything we've done in Iraq has been a mistake?

    09/25/2014 2:23:45 AM PDT · 80 of 135
    imardmd1 to Abakumov
    What if Iraq is not a country of people with common cultures and interests and generally accepted borders, but rather an amalgam of warring groups cobbled together by British and American diplomats?

    Like "Kurdistan"--(now up for sale)?

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/23/2014 10:00:37 PM PDT · 75 of 76
    imardmd1 to Laissez-faire capitalist
    If you will look at post #43, at what a then-Jesuit professor at Jesuit seminary, Toronto had to say, Jerome reluctantly brought Judith and Tobit into the Vulgate, . . .

    Yes, I did read this through, and that's why I mentioned Tobit and Judith. I should have been quicker to acknowledge post #43. It was quite interesting.

  • Jehovah’s Witness Convert

    09/23/2014 9:13:07 PM PDT · 220 of 222
    imardmd1 to af_vet_1981
    I have told you all you need to know to withdraw your silly assumptions that you have any basis to discuss catholicity, or some kind of clairvoyance to predict emotions from a distance for someone you don't even know. I'm not going to let you get away with this supercilious attitude, which seems to be more silly than super.

    When you'd rather learn more about developing a personal relationship with God's Begotten Son than just find a dispute to try out your sarcasm, you come back some other day with an open mind. Right now, I don't have time for your foolishness, and I won't bring myself down to your level.

  • Jehovah’s Witness Convert

    09/23/2014 8:34:45 AM PDT · 208 of 222
    imardmd1 to af_vet_1981
    You reject Independent Fundamental Baptist churches as unbiblical; interesting.

    This indicates that your mind is just as twisted as your words. No points for this.

    Please recognize that, in fact, the church at Jerusalem--the crown church founded by The Lord Jesus Christ by baptizing 120 believers (including /his mother) with the Holy Spirit--was the very first Fundamental, Independent Immersionist (Baptist) Church in history; and the motif of this church was (as Jesus prophersied) replicated throughout Judea, Samaria, and to the uttermost part of the earth by the preaching of the Word of Christ by many faithful witnesses.

    Anecdotally, the son of one of the members of the fundamental, independent Baptist church which I attend is the planting the first such church in Greenland, having been sent by us.

    Sunday night our whole congregation was seen and spoken to by another member, trained as pastor and missionary, through whom a church is planted in Honduras. They are preparing their own missionaries to continue this reach to people in a "Catholic" country with the true Gospel of the Christ of the Bible. This pastor went as a young, single man, and married a Honduran girl, and now they have two children. They are there to stay, to love and be loved, to remember the Lord, to make, baptize, and teach regenerated beliver-disciple-priests according to the command and promise of Jesus to /his disciples.

    Shame on you for your snide attitude.

    You don't know any Biblical local churches and yet you are convinced there is no visible and historic holy catholic apostolic church. Not very persuasive.

    Either you don't know, or are avoiding, that the Bishop of Hippo found that he was facing the same problem: there is no holy (pure) visible catholic church, and conceived the unscriptural, dishonest, logical indefensible, but rhetorically and organizationally effective device of an invisible "holy" catholic "church," which we have today, and which is just as willing to further its dominion by extinguishing its opposition as are the Islamists.

    If is felt I had to be associated with an organization of that kind of history, I would hang my head in shame.

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/23/2014 7:28:26 AM PDT · 72 of 76
    imardmd1 to MHGinTN

    That, of course, is true, and I’m glad you picked up on this thought, which was in my mind when I wrote the question. The unintended consequence of Caiaphas’ elegant, concise, inspired prophecy was correct, but the motive behind it was not.

  • Jehovah’s Witness Convert

    09/23/2014 6:55:01 AM PDT · 206 of 222
    imardmd1 to af_vet_1981
    Is that one of the biblical churches you recognize ?

    No, but it is no more depraved than the one which appointed Tomas Torquemada as a chief murderer, and which has initiated a reign of terrorism since its foundation. Are you familiasr with that one?

    Which visible named churches in the world today do you recognize as being in the Bible ?

    I do not know which local churches may have an unbroken, unsullied history, but I know that the RCC is not one of them.

    Are you starting or continuing your own "Congregation of The Faith" here?

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 7:16:16 PM PDT · 65 of 76
    imardmd1 to Laissez-faire capitalist
    One should take note that, while studying this out, I found that there are several versions of "the LXX", and since most copies of the Greek Old Testament were held and sustained by Christendom, the Greek quotations as Jesus and the other NT writers interpreted them were copied back into Septuagints and replaced Hebrew Scriptures, apparently to make the Christian OT agree with the NT. This caused the popularized Greek version of the OT to disagree with the true Hebrew.

    Therefore, it is not wise to take the position that NT characters quoted from the Septuagint.

    If you wish, I will rummage through my notes until I get the references.

    Regarding Tobit and Judith, as welll as other books of the Apocrypha, you might want to look up the word Deuterocanonical, if you don't already know what that means, and see if Judith and Tobit are in that classification. Just because Jerome copied them doesn't make them inspired writings. After all, the earliest King James Bibles all had the Apocrypha bound with it. That approach was discarded awhile ago for the AV. But my NEB had them, and I read them, but didn't find them very interesting or useful.

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 6:44:50 PM PDT · 64 of 76
    imardmd1 to jjotto
    From someone who is not a master of the sacred texts and traditions, private interpretations are almost always just childish delusions.

    Ah, thanks.

    And (I know this is a little off topic, not trying to hijack this thread) is it not interesting that, as I understand, the Rebbe Jesus was slaughtered on account of His stupefying those religionists who considered themselves to be masters of their texts and traditions, and shaming them? Were they right?

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 5:47:50 PM PDT · 62 of 76
    imardmd1 to Karl Spooner; jjotto
    The Masoretic text, to a traditional Jew, does not determine meaning.

    Whether or not this is a good or bad method, I think that the traditional Jew holds the Talmudic traditions more authorative than a private interpretation of the text of Tanach.

    Am I correct in this?

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 5:39:02 PM PDT · 61 of 76
    imardmd1 to Laissez-faire capitalist
    The Apostle Paul said that is was the writers of scripture who were inspired by the Holy Spirit who moved on them.

    Peter wrote something like that, not Paul.

    "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" (2 Pet. 1:20-21 AV)(here, I'm provisionally striking out the words added by the English translators, but leaving for your benefit).

    Did you get that this is about the holy men speaking prophecy, not writing it? Although it may imply that their prophecies were written down as, or after, they spoke it, in the grip of the Holy Ghost.

    IOW, the Inspirer (the Holy Spirit) inspired the writers.

    I think this idea will not, and should not, pass a closer examination. The Holy Spirit gave the Scripture, God's Words, that were to be written, Furthermore, it was written only by men personally chosen by the Holy Ghost, who were given the clear idea of what to write in their style and tongue, without initiating any material of their own, that which He chose to communicate to mankind, nothing more, nothing less, and nothing else. (IMHO they were not stenographers, but they were precisely guided journalists, as it were.)

    What Paul did write about this was, the Holy Ghost telling how He works:

    πασα γραφη θεοπνευστος και ωφελιμος προς διδασκαλιαν προς ελεγχον προς επανορθωσιν προς παιδειαν την εν δικαιοσυνη (2 Tim 3:16 TR)

    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: . . ." (2 Tim. 3:16 AV)

    The theopneustos (= God-breathed) part is is quite clear. The emphasis is that ALL Scripture is God-breathed. NONE of it is of fallible human initiative. It is ALL God's perception and inscripturation.

    ******Personal excerpts from Here's How! The Bible Can ake Sense To You Today!" by Dr. Fred Wittman*******

    Inspiration is the act of God controlling (by means of His Holy Spirit) the initial record of God's Word, without error, so that it was perfect.

    Although reference is often made to writers "being inspired" to write certain works, yet Scriptural inspiration refers to the product, the Scriptures; and not to the writers. The product of the writers of the Books of the Bible was "God-breathed," therefore, the whole Canon of Scripture is a perfect original (2 Pet. 3:15-16).

    The most satisfactory defining description of inspiration is the plenary verbal model:

    The work of God through the Holy Spirit so directing the writers in their choice of subject matter and in their choice of words so that all of their writing, equally in the entire Bible written accurately, contain exactly what God desired and all that God desired for them to contain. God so guided in the writing of the Books of the Bible that the very words used in the original languages are His words in the styles of the writers, so that the product (not the writers) is a God-breathed perfect, infallible, original record without error.

    ******** end of excerpted and slightly edited discussion ****

    For further study:

    "The Inspiration and Authority of Scripture" by Rene Pache, Moody Press, Chicago, IL

    "Thy Word Is Truth" by Edward J. Young, Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., Grand Rapids, MI

    It is very clear that although well done by St. Jerome, the Vulgate is a translation by which a man, not guided by the Holy Spirit, tried his very honest scholarly best to fit into Latin of the day what was in the Greek of the first century of this Era, but his work nevertheless cannot be thought of as being "inspired," as being "God-breathed."

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 3:02:59 PM PDT · 51 of 76
    imardmd1 to Laissez-faire capitalist
    While it can be said that Jesus and other New Testament writers translated and interpreted OT Scripture passages into Koine, since 100AD no translation can be called "inspired." The Vulgate is not "inspired."
  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 12:41:52 PM PDT · 49 of 76
    imardmd1 to SoothingDave
    God inspired the authors to write His Word.

    OK, if you think you are right, back it up. Give us three or four references that hold your opinion. Don't be afraid, if you are not wrong. First of all, none of these writers were authors of Scripture. Authors of a grocery list, perhaps, but not authors of Scripture.

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 11:04:39 AM PDT · 42 of 76
    imardmd1 to Red Badger
    Matthew 5:18
    For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Yes, this doubles down on the perfect tense as used in Mt. 4:4 for the verb "write." I believe that another way to say that in English is, exhaustively:

    "It stands written, never to change from thenceforth throughout eternity."

    The statement that stands forever is (as transkated):

    "Man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

    The kernel here is to discern whether what I just wrote is or is not inspired, whereas if written in paleo-Hebrew I think it truly would be an apograph, but of course not an autograph.

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 10:48:41 AM PDT · 36 of 76
    imardmd1 to SoothingDave
    God inspired the original authors of the book of the Bible.

    Wrong. It is the writings that were and are inspired (= God-breathed), not the writers. The writers were not the authors. The Holy Spirit was the author of the Scriptures at the time they were written.

    The substance was recorded in the personal mode (sometimes using an amanuensis), style, and language utilized by the writer, as directed by the Holy Ghost.

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 10:33:45 AM PDT · 34 of 76
    imardmd1 to Red Badger
    As such, he may have made a mistake or two, here and there.

    This is where you've gone way, way wrong. Jesus was completely, but perfectly human, and also fully Deity in substance. He was never, ever wrong. In any matter. And by this statement you have reviled His Nature and Name almost inexcusably.

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 10:21:10 AM PDT · 30 of 76
    imardmd1 to Red Badger
    Jesus quoted from memory.............

    Although He, as Jehovah, did cause Moses to write down His Words, it was to that written Word that He referred to in reproving Satan, thus authorizing its standing alone as irrefutable and eternal. Mt. 4:4 in Gk, "It is written" is in the perfect tense, not "It was written." Most certainly Jesus did quote from memory, of what He had caused to be written. He also referred to the Word as the "hrema" the spoken word, as having come out of the mouth of God (that is, of His Own mouth), IIRC.

  • Did St. Jerome's Vulgate (containing the Masoretic Text) provide correct quotes for the NT?

    09/22/2014 10:04:54 AM PDT · 24 of 76
    imardmd1 to Laissez-faire capitalist

    Where did you get the idea that the Masoretic Text was a translation? Give me an authority for this statement, please.

  • Child warriors, 13, leave Germany for jihad

    09/22/2014 3:15:40 AM PDT · 9 of 15
    imardmd1 to Olog-hai

    Tell them not to come back.

  • Help! What does a secular Conservative say to kids about gay marriage? (Vanity)

    09/22/2014 3:13:47 AM PDT · 32 of 61
    imardmd1 to Hetty_Fauxvert
    If your children are not well-aware of human reproduction, then make them so, with the emphasis on the fact that there is no second way to reproduce, as yet.

    Then, discuss the word homosexuality, and let them know that "homo" (from the Greek 'same as') and "sexuality" (referring to the act of reproduction of the species) when combined, create a word that is an oxymoron.

    Tell them the correct word(s) that describes the activity of the mutual arousal cycle of the reproductive organ, make sure they know that such activity is abnormal and self-defeating, and go from there, emphasizing the sociopathic features of the activity, and the kind of diseases associated with it.

  • Emma Watson Delivers Passionate UN Speech On Gender Equality

    09/22/2014 2:45:34 AM PDT · 4 of 31
    imardmd1 to SMGFan
    To Emma Watson:

    I am not womanish, and a female is not me. We are different, and we are not equal, and never will be. Stay out of my man things, and I will stay out of yours. God made it so, from the beginning. It's not going to change.

    Let it be, people.