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  • Transgender student reports being sexually assaulted in school bathroom

    03/03/2014 11:30:36 PM PST · 35 of 73
    imjustme to KJC1
    The students physically and sexually assaulted the victim in a handicap stall
    I feel sickened by many of the replies to this article. No matter what the girl thinks she is the boys assaulted her. That is just wrong.
  • I Love Talking To Ex-Mormon Atheists

    03/12/2013 9:35:41 AM PDT · 4 of 161
    imjustme to Ruy Dias de Bivar
    I was raised Catholic. As an adult I joined the mormon church and left after 20 years.
    Never have I thought to be an atheist.
  • Ashley Anne Riggitano, a New York Fashionsta jumps to her death after Facebook argument

    02/08/2013 10:59:43 AM PST · 36 of 114
    imjustme to Gaffer
    Gaffer I have been there also with two of my daughters. Suicide is such a sad thing no matter who the person is.
    This young girl had her whole life a head of her and cut her life short.
    Prayers for her family.
  • Barbara Walters Has Chickenpox, Remains Hospitalized

    01/28/2013 5:24:48 PM PST · 56 of 60
    imjustme to All
    Barbara Walters is not my favorite person but I can not believe some of the comments on this thread.
    I have to wonder how many adults are actually posting. Or how many so called Christians are posting.

    My prayers are with Barbara and that she has a speedy recovery. I enjoy watching The View's hot topic segment and listening to the different views the ladies have.
  • Biblical Basics About Mother Mary – A Homily for the Second Sunday of the Year

    01/20/2013 12:06:27 PM PST · 14 of 48
    imjustme to NYer
    I am glad I saw this post. Very good reading and discussion this Sunday.
    Thanks.
  • WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 51 DECEMBER 28,2012

    12/28/2012 11:14:04 AM PST · 11 of 109
    imjustme to greeneyes
    Thanks for the thread. I will read through last weeks to make sure I don't ask any questions that might have already been asked;)
  • Ready For A Laugh

    12/03/2009 11:38:18 PM PST · 15 of 23
    imjustme to cd jones

    Thanks for the laugh!

  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/09/2008 10:55:08 PM PDT · 85 of 93
    imjustme to fproy2222
    I don't consider myself as a critic of the LDS church. It was with much prayer and soul searching before I decided to leave. I actually had considered going over to the RLDS (I think those are the right initials) but when I began to study some of their doctrine I didn't feel comfortable.
    We all find our own place in life and no two people are going to agree on everything. For me I had major problems with the changes in the church and felt for the reason the church needed to be started up on earth (because all the other churches had fallen away from the true teachings and were wrong) that there were too many changes in the history of the LDS church. I had major problems with some of BY's teachings and felt that as a true prophet of God that his teachings should still stand true today.
    I had stacks upon stacks of old church magazines I had bought at a thrift store years ago. I spent hours devouring them. I bought up all the LDS books I could find in thrift stores. I love history and so it was natural for me to read all I could on the history of the church I had joined. A fun time at my house was having my family at the table with the missionaries and playing Celestial Pursuit.

    I helped convert a few family members and also spent time defending the teachings of the church against other family members.

    I have nothing against the members of the church. I do have major problems with much of its doctrine and as posted before I eventually had my name removed from their membership rolls.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/09/2008 7:57:23 PM PDT · 80 of 93
    imjustme to Godzilla
    It is apparent why they have to hide this (as well as other things) from the general public's examination.

    Partly I think it is because there are a lot of mormons running around that have no idea about all the teachings of the church.
    Then there are those mormons who will 'lie for the Lord' or maybe that should be 'Lie for Joseph Smith' because some doctrine is just too sacred for the common folk to understand and hence they shouldn't know about it.

    I have actually seen posts with mormons arguing back and forth over some of the doctrine.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/09/2008 7:32:37 PM PDT · 79 of 93
    imjustme to fproy2222
    I keep seeing this used as if it were bad. It is one of the small sound bites many use to pretend this teaching is something that it is not, and to mislead people. You might find it interesting if you study the whole of the teaching for yourself and find it does not mean what your writings seem to imply it means. That is if you want to.

    It means exactly what it says and is no small sound bite. Having spent 20 years of my adult life in the LDS church I was taught and studied much of former prophets doctrines. I know what was taught and what is in earlier church material.
    I also know much that was openly talked about years ago no longer is openly talked about.
    Having Joseph Smith waiting at the gates of heaven to let us in or deny us access is against all teachings in the Bible. It is NOT Christian.
    By denying this was taught are you also denying that previous prophets of the LDS church were NOT real prophets but just spouting nonsense?? I ask that in all seriousness.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/09/2008 12:22:29 PM PDT · 72 of 93
    imjustme to count-your-change
    Oft times people leave a group over petty offenses like hurt feelings and such.

    No there are good and bad people in all churches. If that was the case I would have just stopped going or gone to another ward.

    I wish you well if still you search.

    Thanks. It has been over 10 years since I left the LDS church but never had to search further than my own Bible.
    I don't belong to any certain church and honestly have no desire to have a membership with one. I like the freedom of enjoying many different Christian Churches without checking the name written outside their building. I have been baptized twice so feel at least one is valid.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/09/2008 11:57:41 AM PDT · 70 of 93
    imjustme to Godzilla; fproy2222
    For Christians Jesus is the ONLY way.
    For Mormons they must go through Joseph Smith to gain entrance into heaven.
    I don't have time to search for all the references to this but it is common knowledge with most LDS members.
    In my Bible I find no mention of any Joseph Smith judging me when I die.
    On October 9, 1859, Young said, "From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are -- I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent" (Journal of Discourses 7:289).


    You teach that there is only one true church and all others are wrong. And you teach it is wrong for others to also say there is only one true church. OK for you to do it, but wrong for others.

    Christian churches follow the Bible. You can go to ANY Christian church and will basically get the same type of sermons. There may be small differences in some churches in how they teach from the Bible but basically they are all teaching the same message.
    Then go into any LDS church and sit and listen to their sermons/talks. Skim through their hymnal and see how many songs are directed to their prophets instead of Jesus. Or how many speakers talks are actually quoting from the Bible or end their talks professing their beliefs in Joseph Smith and the mormon church. Bring a piece of paper and a pencil and keep track of who is mentioned more often or what 'scriptures' are referenced to most.

    There is a BIG difference in Christian Churches and LDS Churches.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/08/2008 10:39:36 AM PDT · 55 of 93
    imjustme to count-your-change
    Would I be overly bold to ask why you left the LDS church?

    It was a combination of reasons. I had read something in one of the earlier church magazines that basically said not to let the birth of Jesus overshadow the birth of Joseph Smith who I assume was born in December. Not sure of the exact wording but it really opened up my eyes and I felt like instead of holding a magazine filled with inspiration I had in my hands words of satan.
    Covering up the past of the church teachings also had a lot to do with leaving.
    I did have a 'testimony' of the Book of Mormon and that caused me much soul searching. I reread the 'scriptures' in the book I had marked that had moved me and realized they were the parts that are also found pretty much word for word in the Holy Bible. I could have had a 'testimony' of any book or magazine that had had the same scriptures written in it but it didn't make the rest of the content true.
    For the record to any LDS reading this my decision came from endorsed LDS reading materials and not the so called 'anti mormon' books.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/07/2008 2:45:29 AM PDT · 43 of 93
    imjustme to Zakeet
    millions more watching on TV, the Internet or via satellite to LDS meeting houses across the globe.
    I used to have a member call my house just to see if my line was busy which meant I must have been online. Could have been I took it off the hook because I didn't want to listen to her. She made sure to report to the bishop I was using the internet. It was very evil according to some way back when.
    Even explaining that the church had an offical website online didn't make it better. That was for non members.
    I don't remember if there was ever an official announcement on not going online but some of the wards that had put their own websites up took them down.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/07/2008 2:38:32 AM PDT · 42 of 93
    imjustme to count-your-change
    Quite so as any disagreement or exposure of LDS history and doctrine is called an attack by the LDS leadership. How many LDS posters are willing to explain what they are actually taught about Adam, who and what he was and what supports their view?

    I don't think newer members are taught about Adam. When I left the church 10 years ago many early teachings (that were openly discussed in classes when I first joined the church) were being hushed up.
    It was about the same time we were told to ditch old RS manuals and other materials.
    Reading through the Romney threads I saw many LDS posting and I truly believe they have no knowledge of early teachings. Everything is sugar coated now.
    Being good and faithful LDS they are NOT going to do actual research because 'heaven forbid' they might end up at an 'anti mormon' site.
  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/07/2008 2:24:19 AM PDT · 40 of 93
    imjustme to Elsie

    I almost had soda coming out of my nose from laughing so hard at your post!

  • Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments

    10/06/2008 11:21:00 AM PDT · 6 of 93
    imjustme to Zakeet
    "Rather than dwelling on the past, we should make the most of today, of the here and now, doing all we can to provide pleasant memories for the future."
    The problem with this is they want to hand pick their past that makes them look good and ignore the rest.
    For them to claim the men that were 'prophets' are still considered 'prophets' but dismissing some of their teachings/doctrine is part of the reason I left the church.
    Plus most of the 'helping others' came down to missionary work on the part of members. It is all about their image and if they are lucky getting new members.
    There is good and bad in all churches but it irks me when I hear about the 'good' the LDS church does for others when I know what is behind it.
  • Clinton Calls on Bush to Boycott Olympic Opening Ceremony

    04/07/2008 1:49:45 PM PDT · 30 of 38
    imjustme to yorkie

    Makes you wonder if Bush doesn’t go if she will show up at the last second trying to get brownie points for some pretend peace mission she will say she is on.

  • Obese Man's Big Day Out Gets Ruined

    03/11/2008 10:57:18 PM PDT · 11 of 17
    imjustme to traumer
    I am really saddened to read such negative replies for this poor guy.
    We have no idea if this man has medical conditions that have caused some of his weight problem, nor do we know if the 'candy bar' might be a health food bar.
    My prayers go out to him.
  • Ground broken for Trail of Tears Monument at Blythe Ferry (TN)

    03/07/2008 4:21:38 PM PST · 44 of 46
    imjustme to AuntB

    Thanks and bookmarked for more reading later tonight.

  • Would Bill Clinton make a good Supreme Court justice? (FREEP THIS POLL)

    01/05/2008 10:43:55 AM PST · 23 of 66
    imjustme to enough_idiocy
    Would Bill Clinton make a good Supreme Court justice?

    Yes 43% 39613
    No 57% 52548
    Total Votes: 92161
  • Bogus Christmas card from someone , but NOT Romney

    12/29/2007 10:24:19 PM PST · 120 of 142
    imjustme to HavaLyon
    As a longtime Mormon (born and raised) I also have to question the idea that all LDS people check the footnotes.

    I was a convert and so were many of my friends. We didn't want to skip any part of the scriptures. Some of us were somewhat envious that we weren't born into the church and scared we would miss something lol

    Thanks for your blog link! I have mixed feelings on the card. Obviously it was sent out with a racial tone and as your blog says implies the church is getting into politics.
    My mixed feelings is on who would do such a thing. I don't think it would be a former Mormon. Can't remember if I read that in this thread or your blog. As a former Mormon that is something I would never do. After 20 years as an active member I may have left the church but I can't imagine anyone doing such a thing. I would sway more to someone who wants him out of the race and is threatened by Romney.
  • Bogus Christmas card from someone , but NOT Romney

    12/29/2007 10:06:59 PM PST · 118 of 142
    imjustme to sevenbak
    I wouldn’t disagree with any of that.

    Thank you. I wasn't trying to argue. Things change in the church and I wondered if the footnotes had been taken out of the LDS KJV or lost the importance they had at one time.

    BTW, this just in. Romney picked up another big evangelical endorsement today.

    Romney isn't my man but good for him. I am sure him and Huckabee (who also isn't on my list) are trying to get all the evangelical endorsements they can.
  • Bogus Christmas card from someone , but NOT Romney

    12/29/2007 9:49:45 PM PST · 110 of 142
    imjustme to sevenbak
    I don't have time to count how many mormons I know. From my own personal experience during group readings the footnotes were important.

    The Joseph Smith Translation has restored some of the plain and precious things that have been lost from the Bible (1 Ne. 13). Although it is not the official Bible of the Church, this translation does offer many interesting insights and is very valuable in understanding the Bible. It is also a witness for the divine calling and ministry of the Prophet Joseph Smith.
    http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/j/38

    For me the footnotes were just as important as what was written in the Bible.
  • Bogus Christmas card from someone , but NOT Romney

    12/29/2007 9:19:43 PM PST · 103 of 142
    imjustme to sevenbak
    When reading, wither in print or online, you have to make a concerted effort to leave the text and go find the foot note reference.

    I realize that and I don't know many LDS who would not check the footnote/s.
    Some of the footnotes do not change the overall meaning of some of the verses but the point I am making is that the LDS KJV does have the JS translations noted in it.
  • Bogus Christmas card from someone , but NOT Romney

    12/29/2007 8:56:39 PM PST · 96 of 142
    imjustme to sevenbak

    The translation foot notes over ride the KJV text.

  • Bogus Christmas card from someone , but NOT Romney

    12/29/2007 8:50:02 PM PST · 92 of 142
    imjustme to sevenbak
    The Mormon bible (King James Version is what we use) is the same KJV text as everyone else.

    LDS edition of the King James version of the Bible contains cross-references to all the standard works, a Topical Guide, a Bible Dictionary, a section of maps and pictures, and footnote references to the Joseph Smith Translation.

    http://www.ldscatalog.com/
  • Mom threatened with jail for teaching kids at home

    12/16/2007 9:06:09 PM PST · 56 of 110
    imjustme to ZGuy
    Do you have any other organizations you prefer or would recommend for legal representation instead of HSLDA?

    In 10 years I have never felt the need of legal representation.
    Sorry I can't recommend any since I haven't looked into them.
  • Mom threatened with jail for teaching kids at home

    12/16/2007 2:25:55 PM PST · 35 of 110
    imjustme to StarCMC
    I am not a member of HSLDA either.
    A couple of years ago someone reported that my daughter had not been to school in a couple of years.
    I informed DHS that my daughter had not been in public school for 8 years and that she is being home schooled legally under our state law. I also went down to the DHS office to show them my papers.
    The whole thing was dropped that day.

    As long as state laws are followed there should not be any problems.
  • Mom threatened with jail for teaching kids at home

    12/16/2007 2:19:18 PM PST · 32 of 110
    imjustme to PeteB570

    I hand deliver my home school forms also every year. I also ask for copies and for them to be notarized. Never had any problems. I keep our papers in the glove compartment of the car in case we are every questioned for being out during traditional school hours.

  • Schools ponder role as child nears death

    12/10/2007 12:19:54 PM PST · 212 of 389
    imjustme to Anonymous Rex
    I have a problem with the parents sending her to school when her death is so imminent that they send her with a DNR.

    Having a DNR doesn't mean death is imminent. Many parents in this situation have it just in case it is needed. We started discussing it concerning my daughter probably 5 or 6 years ago.

    When my daughter starts to choke on food I don't just stand there. I get the food out of her mouth. When her breathing stops during a seizure I don't walk away. I do everything I can to get her breathing and color back into her face.
    But... if after I have done all I can there will be a day when it isn't enough. By the time I or anyone else realizes she isn't going to start breathing on her own it will be too late to try other means because she will have suffered more brain damage.

    I remember one day at her school they clocked her at 45 seconds not breathing and that was just when they started the stop watch. They weren't sure exactly how long before that she wasn't breathing.

    My daughter is 20 now and may live to be 90. The DNR is there if needed though. I won't have her suffer more with tubes and no quality of life.
  • Schools ponder role as child nears death

    12/10/2007 11:54:16 AM PST · 183 of 389
    imjustme to najida
    Very true. At the small school my daughter attended they did have deaths. It was very sad but a fact of life. Many of us parents would wonder which of our children would be next. Many die in their sleep.

    The school choir (made up of mostly down syndrome children and adults) usually sing at the funerals.

    I do not agree with putting a very profound/severe child in a normal school setting. When we lived in California that is the type of setting the 'experts' wanted.
    That is not what is best for the 'normal' children or the 'severe' children.
  • Schools ponder role as child nears death

    12/10/2007 11:37:24 AM PST · 162 of 389
    imjustme to georgiagirl_pam
    Pam I understand your yelling in your post. I am floored by some of the comments here.

    Getting a severely disabled child to school everyday is not always easy. Especially if you have been up and down all night with the child. Changing and feeding them, bathing them, dressing them, and getting them ready for the school bus can be draining. Then spending the day washing all their bedding because their diaper leaked and their pillows because they drooled during the night. Not counting having to still function on lack of sleep and be a mom to the other siblings and still get housework done and the list goes on.

    It is physically and emotionally draining.

    Yes my daughter is such a blessing to us in my family. Reality is reality though. I spent part of this morning trying to get my daughter to eat some breakfast. Just two bites and some fluids. I ended up just holding her and crying.
    After some bouts of seizures she regresses and that includes forgetting who to swallow her food. Things we take for granted she forgets.
  • Schools ponder role as child nears death

    12/10/2007 11:12:18 AM PST · 124 of 389
    imjustme to Sopater
    This post is directed at many of the replies I have been reading.
    My daughter is very severe and at around age 15 I did pull her out of school because it wasn't helping her in any way. Hers was a special ed school. I am not sure what school this girl goes to but during school they usually receive OT, PT, ST, and other needed therapies. Even if they can't interact with the other children (and I am speaking of special ed children) they can enjoy the atmosphere of the classroom.

    Also there are many states that do not allow home education for children with IEP's. Luckily with the support of my daughters neurologist and the director of her school I kept her home under the homeschooling laws.

    I have almost lost my daughter more times than I care to remember due to seizures and stop breathing. I have talked with my family members and we have agreed not to do cpr on her. She has suffered for 20 years and her quality of life is low. She is 24/7 total care. If we were to revive her with cpr how much brain damage can we expect to have occured? She already functions around 8 months old mentally. Some testing shows 3 months.

    For me it would be selfish on our part to interfere and prolong her life.

    That may seem cold to some but I love my daughter so much and hate watching her suffer. One of my daughters is a nurse and she also agrees with my decision. It is a very hard decision to make and discuss with family members about.
    If she was still in school I would hope they would respect my wishes.
  • What to Expect at Sunday LDS Meetings

    07/30/2007 11:48:22 AM PDT · 263 of 347
    imjustme to restornu
    Listened to over 10 minutes of the video. The quiet whispering by the holy spirit told me the LDS is the wrong one.

    Resty I understand where you are coming from. I used to be YOU. I knew all the come backs to church opposition. I even was responsible to getting 7 members to join. I have a great testimony of what led me to leave the church. I had been a convert also. I raised two of my children in the church. One was an adult before ever attending a non lds church.

    I sat for 20 of my adult years in sacrament listening to speakers and testimonies of how they believe the church is true, the prophet is true, the BOM is true, and so forth. Next time you go to church on fast Sunday see how many times Jesus or God are mentioned compared to LDS related mentions.

    I was raised Catholic. The church told me it was wrong. That 'set' prayers were wrong. Prayers have to come from the heart and not be repetition. How many times I lost count that some poor boy messed up on the sacrament prayer and we all sat when he tried again and again to get it right. How many times I sat and listed to prayers and testimonies of many members that were almost word for word of others. The church may say set prayers are wrong as the kind Catholics use but they have their own guidelines or outlines for prayers and testimonies.

    For me prayers are very private. That is my one on one time with God. He has been there so many times for me no matter the name of the church.

    Yes the BOM is going to be spiritual in nature since much of the spiritual part is straight from the bible. I had a big problem with that when I decided to leave the church. I got my BOM out and went throught the passages I had highlighted. Those same ones were found in the Bible too. So in a sense yes things in the bom will bring those whispering of the spirit but that same spirit will also whisper when reading the same passages in the Bible.

    The LDS church will continue to be attacked. They kept very good records of their past. Now the church wants to only show what will be positive to the church. They want to ignore or make excuses for things former prophets of the church said. If they were true prophets their words would stand today the same as a hundred years ago.

    For supposing to be the ONE TRUE CHURCH that had to be started back up on Earth because all other churches were wrong it has made some big changes over the years in their doctrines that were supposed to be from God. I don't think God would change his stance on those issues in such a small amount of time.

    Hope this all comes out readable because if I proof read it I will probably not post it for spelling and stuff.
  • What to Expect at Sunday LDS Meetings

    07/30/2007 9:35:11 AM PDT · 253 of 347
    imjustme to Osage Orange
    So what's so difficult in answering direct questions. Is, Satan your brother or not? For that matter, is Jesus your brother also?

    The answer is yes to both questions.

    It is joked about sometimes by church members that on raising children even God couldn't get it right nor Adam and Eve.

    I heard this in several wards. Kind of an inside joke I guess. There are no perfect parents.

    So even though I am not resty the answer is yes;)
  • What to Expect at Sunday LDS Meetings

    07/29/2007 9:02:59 PM PDT · 220 of 347
    imjustme to restornu
    Since no one show their check stub how would the bishop know if one paid full tithe or not?
    It is common practice to bring your tax papers in towards the end of the year for tithing settlement. The times you weren't as honest as you thought you can catch up on those times just by writing a check.

    In all my 25 years I never had anyone come to my door for building funds!
    Consider yourself lucky then.

    It is with the Lord you have the covenant with not the servant of the Lord!
    It is the servant you have to pass through to get there.
  • What to Expect at Sunday LDS Meetings

    07/29/2007 8:32:51 PM PDT · 215 of 347
    imjustme to restornu
    all Church service is voluntary

    Being asked to do service in the church is considered 'a calling'. No matter how impossible some callings are (yes some members get lucky and have multiple callings) you are expected to do the service. God will find a way as long as you are faithful enough.

    If you happen to have a jerk of a bishop or SP your temple recommend could be on the line if you start refusing callings the Lord has told the elders of the church you need.

    Then again your eternal salvation is messed up if you lose your temple recommend. No celestial kingdom. You will cause your family much pain by not having an eternal family.
  • What to Expect at Sunday LDS Meetings

    07/29/2007 8:23:40 PM PDT · 214 of 347
    imjustme to restornu
    We do not pass a plate to request donations as part of our worship services.

    All members are expected to pay 10% of their income for tithing. Towards the end of the year it is common for the bishop to have meetings with members to make sure they paid an honest tithing.

    Then there are the guys who come to your door for building funds and lets not forget fasting money.

    If members do not pay an honest tithing they can not get a temple recommend which means no celestial kingdom.
  • Church can't hide its worth (Mormon)

    07/14/2007 12:25:06 PM PDT · 6 of 32
    imjustme to greyfoxx39
    The small Baptist Church that my grandfather went to also gave out accounts of all money received and where it went down to the last penny.
    All churches should do this without having to be asked.
  • A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney

    07/10/2007 9:16:38 AM PDT · 197 of 280
    imjustme to freeplancer

    Wow, so am I supposed understand that you don’t appreciate someone speaking ill of any churches that you agree with? How ironic

    If you had actually read my post you would see I do not attend church.
    The mormons are not the only ones that help people. All through these threads it is brought up how the lds are nice people, family people, help others, and so on... I don't deny that, but so are people from other churches. That should not even be an issue when discussing the lds church or any church.


    From your other post to me...
    How much does your little piss-ant church do for the world?
    Again I do not belong to a church. You don't have to belong to a church to help others. It is just the Christian 'thing' to do.

  • A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney

    07/09/2007 4:58:46 PM PDT · 154 of 280
    imjustme to restornu
    I admit that was immature of me to add that at the end.
    The reply he made was so uncalled for and full of name calling towards me. It truly shocked me. I don't know who reported his post but I wish it had stayed up just so everyone could see how bad it was.
    Sorry for suggesting all LDS are as this poster is.
  • A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney

    07/09/2007 8:37:23 AM PDT · 108 of 280
    imjustme to freeplancer
    I really don't understand why you posted what you did. I said I had a problem with the way the LDS church sugar coats their history. So I am nimrod and an idiot because of that?
    As a home school parent I have never sugar coated the history of our country. Many times we have strayed from the history texts. I am just as proud of my Native American blood as all the rest that run through me.
    realize how much good the LDS people are or how much they help the poor or how they are always right behind the Red Cross in any dist aster around the world or how they emphasize families
    I hope this doesn't come as a shock to you but other churches do the same. They just don't brag about it. I was very surprised to find out that non mormon missionaries went out and actually did things. They help build schools and just so many different things plus bring their own supplies. They don't wear suits and knock on doors.
    Non LDS churches run food pantries for the poor, house the homeless, help out when members are sick, mow yards, bring food, and so much more. I don't know why so many members think they are special and they are the only ones that do that.
    Giving money to a church should come from the heart. I have actually helped with food more than once to members who paid their 'tithe' but couldn't feed their families or lost their electricity because tithing came first. Yes God will find a way for the faithful that pay honest tithing. What I never told one LDS lady was the food we brought for her family came from a local church pantry. That church never questioned the need of the food for the LDS family.
    Families are just as important to non LDS churches as they are to the LDS.


    Shut the hell up dumb ass.
    That is a first for me. We don't use that sort of language in our home. Even growing up in a Catholic home I never heard foul language. Must be a mormon thing.

  • A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney

    07/08/2007 10:15:50 PM PDT · 90 of 280
    imjustme to MHGinTN

    Sounds good to me!

  • A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney

    07/08/2007 9:56:37 PM PDT · 86 of 280
    imjustme to freeplancer
    Never thought of myself as a pin head before but as I started reading the article I truly thought it was some type of joke or parody on the church.
    I couldn't get past Young's section and just skimmed through the rest. It made me sick to my stomach to see how the LDS can sugar coat their history when it is needed.
    It amazes me that any part of the church history that is brought up that doesn't fit todays image of the church is called anti mormon. Most all that I have read on these Mitt threads that bring up valid questions on early teachings of the church are accused as anti mormon.
    Is it considered anti mormon that the church at one time taught that the only way blacks (or any non white) would go to heaven would be as our servants??
    I read alot of these threads that come out on the church and I am saddened how very little the LDS know their church history. Or the excuses they can come up with for the reasons some things were done as they were.
    For the record I was raised Catholic, then spent 20 years of my adult life an active member of the LDS church and raised two of my children in the church.
    I got tired of all the sugar coating going on trying to make LDS look the norm as far as Christian churches go. Trying to hide away uncomfortable speeches past 'phophets' made, and so forth. I now attend no church but have a very good relationship with my bible.
  • A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney

    07/08/2007 7:36:52 PM PDT · 65 of 280
    imjustme to Reaganesque
    A letter written by Joseph Smith, the first Mormon prophet, to the Messenger and Advocate, an early Mormon newspaper, deriding those who would end slavery.  Later, this letter was printed in "History of the Church":

    “DEAR SIR: —This place (Kirtland) having recently been visited by a gentleman who advocated the principles or doctrines of those who are called ABOLITIONISTS, and his presence having created an interest in that subject, if you deem the following reflections of any service, or think they will have a tendency to correct the opinions of the Southern public,...you are at liberty to give them publicity... I FEAR that the sound might go out, that 'an Abolitionist' had held forth several times to this community,...all, except a very few, attended to their own vocations, and left the gentleman to hold forth his own arguments to nearly naked walls. I am aware that many, who PROFESS to preach the Gospel, complain against their brethren of the same faith, who reside in the South, and are ready to withdraw the hand of fellowship, because they will not renounce the principle of slavery, and raise their voice against every thing of the kind. This must be a tender point, and one which should call forth the candid reflections of all men, and more especially before they advance in an opposition calculated to lay waste the fair states of the South, and let loose upon the world a community of people, who might, peradventure, OVERRUN OUR COUNTRY, AND VIOLATE THE MOST SACRED PRINCIPLES OF HUMAN SOCIETY, CHASTITY AND VIRTUE.... I do not believe that the people of the North have any more right to say that the South shall not hold slaves, than the South have to say the North shall. “How any community can ever be excited with the CHATTER of such persons, boys and others, who are too indolent to obtain their living by honest industry, and are incapable of pursuing any occupation of a professional nature, is unaccountable to me; and when I see persons in the free states, signing documents against slavery, it is no less, in my mind, than an army of influence, and a DECLARATION OF HOSTILITIES, against the people of the South. What course can sooner divide our union? “After having expressed myself so freely upon this subject, I do not doubt, but those who have been forward in raising their voices against the South, will cry out against me as being uncharitable, unfeeling, unkind, and wholly unacquainted with the Gospel of Christ....the first mention we have of SLAVERY is found in the Holy Bible,... And so far from that prediction being averse to the mind of God, it remains as a lasting monument of the DECREE OF JEHOVAH, to the shame and confusion of all who HAVE CRIED OUT against the South, in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in SERVITUDE.... I can say, the CURSE IS NOT YET TAKEN OFF FROM THE SONS OF CANAAN, neither will be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come; and the people who INTERFERE THE LEAST WITH THE PURPOSES OF GOD in this matter, will come under the LEAST CONDEMNATION BEFORE HIM; and those who are determined to pursue a course, which shows an opposition, and a feverish restlessness against the DECREES OF THE LORD, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do his own work, without the aid of those who are not dictated by His counsel.”
    (History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Vol. 2, pages 436-438)

     

    More from the Mormon newspaper Messenger and Advocate:

    “Where can be the common sense of any wishing to see the slaves of the south set at liberty,... Such a thing could not take place without corrupting all civil and wholesome society, of both the north and the south! Let the BLACKS of the south be free, and our community is overrun with paupers, and a reckless mass of human beings, uncultivated, untaught and unaccustomed to provide for themselves the necessaries of life— endangering the chastity of every female who might by chance be found in our streets—our prisons filled with convicts, and the HANG-MAN WEARIED with executing the functions of his office! This must unavoidably be the case, every rational man must admit, who has ever travelled in the slave states, or we must open our houses unfold our arms, and bid these DEGRADED AND DEGRADING sons of Canaan, a hear[t]y welcome and a free admittance to all we possess! A society of this nature, to us, is so intolerably DEGRADING, that the bare reflection causes our feelings to recoil, and our hearts to revolt....the project of EMANSIPATION IS DESTRUCTIVE TO OUR GOVERNMENT, and the notion of amalgamation is devilish!— And insensible to feeling must be the heart, and low indeed must be the mind, that would consent for a moment, to see his fair daughter, his sister, or perhaps, his bosom companion, in the embrace of a NEGRO!...
    (Messenger and Advocate, Vol. 2, pp. 299-301)

    http://www.realmormonhistory.com/god&skin.htm

  • Hillary Clinton: Choose My Campaign Song

    05/16/2007 6:39:59 PM PDT · 89 of 294
    imjustme to HAL9000
    I'm A Loser

    I'm a loser
    I'm a loser
    And I'm not what I appear to be

    Of all the love I have won or have lost
    there is one love I should never have crossed
    She was a girl in a million, my friend
    I should have known she would win in the end

    I'm a loser
    And I lost someone who's near to me
    I'm a loser
    And I'm not what I appear to be

    Although I laugh and I act like a clown
    Beneath this mask I am wearing a frown
    My tears are falling like rain from the sky
    Is it for her or myself that I cry

    I'm a loser
    And I lost someone who's near to me
    I'm a loser
    And I'm not what I appear to be

    What have I done to deserve such a fate
    I realize I have left it too late
    And so it's true, pride comes before a fall
    I'm telling you so that you won't lose all

    I'm a loser
    And I lost someone who's near to me
    I'm a loser
    And I'm not what I appear to be
  • Hillary Clinton: Choose My Campaign Song

    05/16/2007 6:32:28 PM PDT · 71 of 294
    imjustme to HAL9000

    MuskRAT Love

  • King Vanity (vanity) Last Rites

    04/30/2007 2:31:07 AM PDT · 31 of 190
    imjustme to Global2010

    You and KV are and continue to be in my thoughts and prayers.

  • Arkansas National Day of Prayer Press Release

    04/29/2007 8:11:36 PM PDT · 4 of 4
    imjustme to pulaskibush

    Thanks for the ping!