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How did Barry ever get his name changed back to Barrack?

When did he do this? After he was 21? Was he an Indonesian Citizen? If so does that negate Natural Born it should. Natural Born was to assure allegiance to the United States. If Barry stayed an Indonesian citizen till after College he has more allegiance to Indonesia than America. The fact he uses a bogus SSN makes me seriously wonder if he is an illegal alien.

You are correct making me believe the date of merger is an error on the website. Especially as the twins COLB’s were issued in 1966.

Only way to settle this is to view the copy of the original Birth Certificate. Obama could easily allow this wonder if he will only time will tell.

But for now the COLB should be examined by document experts (not just the PDF copy). Nothing else solves the question. Adobe does save in layers to conserve space these PDF arguments are worthless as PDF documents are validated by the veracity of the site posting them in this case the White House has none. Thus the actual Document and documentation must be examined by some real experts chosen by a “Birther” preferably.

It is true Birthers will never accept a PDF as proof just as a DMV will not.

Not sure about the other things but I simply do not see how he could have been born in 1961 in a hospital that would not exist until 1978.

http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx
“Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii’s mothers, Queen Kapi‘olani held luau and bazaars to raise the $8,000 needed to open Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1890. She endowed her legacy with “Kulia i ka nu‘u” or “Strive for the highest.”

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children’s hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox’s gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened.

The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. “

Furthermore the ` was important to people in Hawaii would they have left it out I think not. This hospital did not exist by that name until 1978. The COLB should have the name of the Hospital he was born in not the name of the Hospital Complex that would exist 17 years later after a merger.

Great catch.

Another from her they referred to her as Stanley. Yet her signing Ann then correcting highly suggest she used Ann as her preferred name (as anyone in their right mind would with a gender incorrect first name).

This is such a forgery.

Great point.

No one in Hawaii would misspell the hospitals name. Furthermore they would use the original name as it is only supposed to be a copy of original information. Thus to believe in this bogus copy you would have to believe in time travel as well. Or at least the ability to see the name changing many years in the future.

What a pathetic attempt at fraud.

Same certificate number as site set up debunking the original fake showing how to make a new fake. Probably because this is from a standard demonstration form.

Hospital name the current name of the Hospital not it’s name in 1961.

Photoshop so poorly done that it left fingerprints of steps used to forge it.

I just read that the Hospital Kapiolani (where Obama supposed was born) was named at that time in 1961: KAUIKEOLANI CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL

The Certificate Number is same as the one used to demonstrate how a fake certificate could be made.

Totally busted.

Boy is Obama playing games.

I mean WTF. The reconstructed certificate number is on the White House form. Guess they just followed the instructions to fake the form.

How stupid do they think Americans are? Did they learn nothing from what we did to Dan Rather.

We should impeach Obama for this fake certificate alone.

Been there done that.

Three times in American History not once was any thing done.

Furthermore even if he is proven fraudulent Impeachment is still the only valid remedy. Why the courts have not touched it and most likely never will. Even if a court did and said he had committed fraud to become President they would refer it to congress. They would not remove him.

This is why most talk show host leave this alone. Although it should be very valid for political discussion. Rush, Beck et all are cowardly for leaving it alone because Obama and the MSM told them to.

You are most likely right. But then he is definitely qualified as President.

African was a valid race in many states I remember seeing it on forms all the time. African is what Obama is mostly Arabic only 12% negro. But African meant from Africa as opposed to negro meaning black from any other country including America. I saw this on forms from this period or shortly after. We even discussed the difference in a class at High School I remember because I thought it silly. Actually I thought race silly altogether. Why should it matter? But really African and Negro just meaning where you were born. I mean negros that went to Africa had African not negro children. Stupid.

To clear this up he could simply allow the original form to be released with reporters or Trump in attendance.

I will never accept a PDF as proof unless it is posted on an official site set up for that purpose. Courts for example. Whitehouse.gov is not the least bit reliable. This proves nothing. The real form presented to unbiased reporters would. This is simply not that. No seal no back side or notations that are found on real birth certificates. No way to even confirm this number belongs to Barack.

Does not really matter another President had only one parent that was an American Citizen nothing was done.

Only if he is not an American would they possibly do anything. Or if he committed SSN fraud. Those are the only real avenues valid to pursue.

These forms are the same. M is printed on form same on both.

However her Race is cut in half nearly from top to bottom so was definitely cut and pasted. However not on the White House released version.

UckLee is Korean quite possible in Hawaii.

Yes not what one would normally receive but then too they no longer release the long form so this would have to be done differently.

The fact she added Stanley is a human thing that adds to the authenticity.

I never really bought in to the born in Kenya. I always felt he was most likely born in Hawaii. They did not release the back of the form where any notations would be. Those are what I always felt he was hiding. I also do not buy Barack Sr as the actual father. I believe that a fabrication to give the appearance of marriage.

This should be a dead issue. The real problems he has is his bogus SSN and Indonesian citizenship ( did he give it up at 21 if not he is Indonesian not American). You have to choose by then dual citizenship is not for life only until age 21.

Indeed.

Furthermore his Strongly Disapprove has been higher so a -25 Approval Index is hardly unlikely.

This rating goes up and down a lot so expect it to improve in Obama’s favor at least short term. Though him golfing while the economy and Japan burns is really bad. To appear to care less about Americans should be fatal for a President. Eventually the Press as biased as it is will fail in their efforts to save this man that would fiddle (or play golf) as Rome burned.

I wrote him.

Tons of people must have.

He rationalized it by the MSM coverage being excessive on it. It was. But Camerons report was absolutely in the tank Obama MSM mean and inexcusable for any news organization (though only FNC comes close to qualifying).

Do we really want to get rid of the only News Chanel that even attempts to sorta be fair???

I haven’t seen much of Cameron on O’Reilly or H&C since and Gretta has finally learned how to do Politics. She was horrible at it until Sarah’s lynching by the MSM. She did her best to just do Gossip murder cases and such but when forces just played video of other shows. Now she actually does a better job than H&C some nights. Especially on this story.

How could they have made this announcement. Only Ifill talked and she wouldn’t answer the commissions calls.

They did post on their site it was a conflict.

It is questionable whether it was announced before the debate commission received their information. Other than in some rags devoted to the industry where it was know.

But the Commission it self said it was a conflict of interest and she did not inform them and should have. She was also conveniently unavailable to them prepping for the debate.

Sarah was just so good that Ifill couldn’t destroy her.

But in all three cases Biden was really helped. This could have been an absolute disaster for Biden had Palin been given even a normal media biased debate.

But Ifill was over the top selling books.

I played video off CSpan in RealPlayer. That let me go forward and back after it downloaded at least. If you try too soon it restarts the download. Realplayer displayed the time so that was easy.

Ifill cut off Palin three times. Each time before her time expired. Each time when she was creaming Biden.

Questions were often far to much exactly what Biden needed at that moment. I’ll bet no one saw her list or had it in an envelope before the debate to prove she wasn’t just making it up as she went.

They said Rather would never get legs. I nailed Ifill here I believe it can get legs.

Palin made it clear early on that she would answer the questions that needed asked. Ifill asked this gotcha question and Palin wisely answered about cutting taxes. Responding to Biden rather than being directed into a trap by Ifill. Ifill then cut her off.

This is what politicians always do.

But Ifill set a new low. Moderators seldom break rules so flagrantly.

I agree.

Obama must be so ticked today. Olberman must be so mad.

Sarah was unbelievable. She hit it out of the ballpark on nearly every question for the first hour and ten minutes. She was absolutely devastating.

Now McCain needs to do the same on Tuesday. I believe he can and wonder if he held back some last week.

But they need to get word out better about the Press and only go on FOX, fixed format or live till the election. They can not allow themselves to get into Gotcha situations any more.