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Posts by joeyman

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  • The Fog of Peace

    09/22/2002 8:46:29 AM PDT · 91 of 91
    joeyman to Luis Gonzalez
    You want the resources of the US NOT to be directed at bringing to justice the people responsible for murdering 3,000 innocent civilians, but instead used to round-up people picking tomatoes and oranges.

    Look Luis, that's what Afganistan was all about. Iraq did had nothing to do with the attack. You are getting the two confused.

    Finally, I want to say to all who answered my remarks with such venom and passion, I think you people need to personally participate in this war. Based on the intensity of the comments you'd think I was telling you the religion you have believed in all your life and every value you have ever had and everything you have ever done was false. Maybe opposing this war represents each of these things to you people. It is an irrational position and I will not argue it further.

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 6:18:33 PM PDT · 51 of 91
    joeyman to woofie
    This article spells out why you and others like you no matter what the reasons are failing to think clearly

    Not think clearly, think like you. When those Iraqi troops come over the hill towards my house, then I'll be convinced. There's always some boogie man out there, and the technique works so well. Shame actually.

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 5:51:19 PM PDT · 39 of 91
    joeyman to okie01
    See MY POST # 6 this thread.
  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 4:40:05 PM PDT · 30 of 91
    joeyman to wretchard
    The Peace Lobby has no real right to tell everyone to shut up.

    I agree. If you look at the responses on this thread, you'll see that the only ones who seem to want people to shutup (ck out longcut's remark (lead follow or step aside) are the pro war crowd.

    And yes I do think we'd be much safer if we don't go to war because of the escalation potential to WWIII.

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 4:30:11 PM PDT · 29 of 91
    joeyman to Long Cut
    (I really hate to get into it with you, but here goes....)

    "I suggest you move out into the country" A statement absolutely breathtaking in its inherent self-centeredness, Sir!

    If you hold the position that no matter how good the intentions are, the govt cannot protect our cities from attack (and again I repeat myself The VP and the SecDef have as much said so) than aren't we all really on our own?

    If you hold that as true, is not my recommendation to move to the country a logical and rational idea (not to mention the best shot at survival)? Isn't that smarter than staying in the battlezone waiting to get hit?

    (And if it makes you feel better, I am sorry those people died, all they were trying to do was earn a living. I am also sorry that our President didn't fire the FBI and CIA directors for their intelligence failure and the fact that there were no intercept jets on duty at Andrews AFB on the day of the attack.)

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 4:18:25 PM PDT · 27 of 91
    joeyman to okie01
    I am not a libertarian because I do not agree with their policies, especially that of open boarders. For the 2nd or third time, I would shut the boarders and remove illegals and those of questionable foreign background from our mist.
  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 2:54:31 PM PDT · 23 of 91
    joeyman to Nick Danger
    You are, though, guilty of being what Mr. Brooks was talking about: parochial. For you, it's all about what happens here.

    Sir, you are spot on accurate! You have me pegged perfectly. That is my position and it's set in concrete.

    As for your nuclear bomb aniexty, I suggest you move out to the country. Dick Cheney has warned we will/might be nuked. I believe him. I do not believe the govt can protect us from this threat no matter what they do.

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 2:49:17 PM PDT · 20 of 91
    joeyman to okie01
    Your comments proving, once again, the old adage: you can lead a Populist to the truth, but you can't make him drink

    I can live with that label. I'm a live and let live kind of guy though, so libertarian would be closer to the truth. (OK I voted for Bush and I am a Republican - but that doesn't obligate me to support their policies when they do something stupid.)

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 2:44:48 PM PDT · 19 of 91
    joeyman to Long Cut
    Oh longcut knock it off. I went round and round with you on this weeks ago and I see no point in repeating it.
  • High anxiety for Democrats

    09/21/2002 2:42:41 PM PDT · 13 of 20
    joeyman to Wait4Truth
    In spite of the sniping about President Bush on this site, he is true heir of Ronald Reagan.

    So you think Reagan would've tripled the funding of the ATF?

  • High anxiety for Democrats

    09/21/2002 2:40:52 PM PDT · 12 of 20
    joeyman to CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
    Bush was responsible for not pressing the attack fwd on Bagdad - the congress was out of the game at that point. Matter of fact Bush could've just destroyed Sadam's Republican Guards and Sadam's power base would've been destroyed without the casualties that would've occurred if we had gone into Bagdad. But he didn't do that. It is Bush that put us in the situation we are in today through vacillation and a desire to create (his words now) A New World Order.

    (The actual quote was, "Out of these troubled times, a New World Order can emerge under a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders." GHWB Sep 11,1990 State of the Union Address.)

  • A soured election in Germany

    09/21/2002 2:25:06 PM PDT · 4 of 9
    joeyman to tomball
    Think of the money we could save if the Germans threw us out.
  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 2:12:02 PM PDT · 10 of 91
    joeyman to okie01
    One might say, taking the war to the enemy rather than hunkering down and waiting for him to kill some more Americans.

    But I thought they were already here, their sleeper cells are already here, their weapons of mass destruction are already here.

    If those facts are true (and I believe they are, specficially since every govt spokemans who talks about this issue says, "It's not if but when...) then regardless of what we do overthere...we will reap the whirlwind. We need to concentrate on this issue domestically and stop adventuring overseas.

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 2:03:04 PM PDT · 9 of 91
    joeyman to okie01
    Sir, I am not a liberal. Opposing a war doesn't make you a liberal.
  • Drug Czar on Anti-Marijuana Crusade

    09/21/2002 1:50:49 PM PDT · 29 of 196
    joeyman to The FRugitive
    Look, I'm not an advocate of smoking dope. Frankly, we need more people to get involved in their communities and start holding our constantly growing govt accountable for its action. However....

    Let dopers be dopers. It's too expensive and a waste of time to continue drug prohibition in this country.

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 1:30:25 PM PDT · 6 of 91
    joeyman to moneyrunner
    It's absolutely hysterical that anyone who opposes war is a leftist.

    When the govt stops funding, sheparding, and encouraging illegal aliens to come to our shores, when they remove those same aliens from the US and delete their drivers lisc, welfare payments, social security payments and voter registration, when they start to control our boarders, when they stop trying to centralize federal power, stop sending all our industrial businesses overseas (because overregulation makes it impossible to compete for US constructed products) when we stop buying oil from Sadam to finance his operations, then I would believe that the govt is waging an effective war on terrorism. If the war is here, what are we doing there? (And THANKS for the condecending comments - it really elevates the discussion).

  • Tom Delay Slams Dems as 'Handwringers and Appeasers'

    09/21/2002 1:19:15 PM PDT · 26 of 46
    joeyman to gargoyle
    ...Excluding present and future company, I'd like the participants of FR to use logic, reason and facts to back up their arguments/debate, but, it might be too much to ask...

    I guess it would be too much to ask for you to back up your comments with specifics.

  • The Fog of Peace

    09/21/2002 10:42:32 AM PDT · 2 of 91
    joeyman to Pokey78
    Mr Brooks, it's easy to argue for war when you can't see yourself doing the dying.

    And remember Mr. Brooks, the real beneficiaries of this evolution (should it go as planned) will be the narrow business interests who will receive contracts based on the reconstruction of Iraq and the extraction of it's oil. All of this will be paid for of course by US Taxpayers, either directly or through front organizations such as the IMF, World Bank, UN, etc.

  • Tom Delay Slams Dems as 'Handwringers and Appeasers'

    09/21/2002 10:14:40 AM PDT · 2 of 46
    joeyman to Tumbleweed_Connection
    Boy what a mismash this is

    "[The Democrats]...didn't vote for the Gulf War, Desert Storm. They are handwringers and appeasers. They believe we ought to dream of peace rather than going out and fight for it.

    Reminds me of another democrat, Wilson, who after running for reelection on a platform of "No War" did everything he could to get us into "The War to End All Wars" - sorta like a junkie who says, "This is the last time, really."

    "Unilateral military action by the United States against Iraq is unjustified, unwarranted and illegal," Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, reportedly complained.

    Under what standard is it illegal? If the congress gave the Pres a declaration of war it would be wrong (in my opinion) but under our constitution (I don't recognize UN Law) it would be perfectly legal.

    "Their real feelings are coming out as much as they can right now, which is that they're desperately dying to provide aid and support to al Qaeda."

    Ann, although I usually respect your arguments, please remember to focus on the fact that al Qaeda and Sadam are separate entities, that they are in fact unrelated to each other.

    I guess it's too much to ask any of these people to be consistant with their arguments. If they would base their political foundations on the principles laid out in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and George Washington's departure speech (beware of overseas entanglements") we'd have some coherentcy of thought.

  • Bush Fails To Win Russian Support For Tough Stance

    09/20/2002 10:44:55 PM PDT · 21 of 22
    joeyman to arkfreepdom
    Bush better get his war and do good. What has he to show for his time in office without it?

    (I can remember during the first weeks in office when Karl Rove talked romantically about the Union of the Americas - a giant free trade zone using a single economic system (and by implication currency) stretching from the North Pole to Tierra Del Fiego. That's shot to hell now...thank God.)

  • City Officials Infuriated with Radio Talk Show Hosts -"bash, denigrate and demean" minorities (CA)

    09/20/2002 10:40:14 PM PDT · 15 of 45
    joeyman to chance33_98
    I think a good argument could be made that these groups are trying to violate the free speech clause in the first ammendment. Consequently, I'd like to see them indicted on federal charges of treason - just to see how it would wash out in the courts.
  • Friday, 9/20, Market WrapUp (Granddaddy of Derivatives in Trouble)

    09/20/2002 10:34:58 PM PDT · 23 of 34
    joeyman to palmer
    My question is: if he and others like him never sell out, the market will never reach a bottom, nor will it rise, it will just languish forever while my friend keeps waiting for the long run. Is he just ruining it for the rest of us?

    The really short answer is, the only people who determine the price of a stock are the buyers and the sellers of that stock. The holders of the stock will determine it's value by the action of those characters. No buyers and no sellers means no market. No market means there is no price for the stock.

    As an aside, I wonder how many of those who read and agree with this - and who still own stock - will take action and sell out their positions?

  • Illegal Immigrants Say They Remodeled Basement for Congressman Known as Immigration Critic

    09/19/2002 5:13:30 PM PDT · 61 of 272
    joeyman to Miss Marple
    It is the Congressman's responsibility to check with the contractor to make sure all workers are documented, particularly when he is making such a stink about this issue. If he did not, he was quite foolish.

    Now Miss Marple, do you check the immigration status of every employee at every grocery store and restaurant you frequent? It shouldn't be a complete pain in the ass to be a congressman.

  • Illegal Immigrants Say They Remodeled Basement for Congressman Known as Immigration Critic

    09/19/2002 5:09:43 PM PDT · 56 of 272
    joeyman to Sweet_Sunflower29
    Non-story. If Tancredeo had hired the workers, then they'd have something. But he didn't, he contracted with a company to perform a job. If there's a problem here, it's with the company not Tancredo.
  • Woman on a Horse... [Re: Peyser's Attack on Fischl's "Tumbling Woman"]

    09/19/2002 4:35:10 PM PDT · 16 of 19
    joeyman to paulklenk
    Rockefeller wanted Lenin removed.

    The present day rockefellers probably would have dug it up and put it on display it the old man hadn't smashed it to bits.

  • Mystery Sniper Still on the Loose - near Palisades Reservoir (Idaho)

    09/19/2002 4:28:27 PM PDT · 4 of 8
    joeyman to chance33_98
    Here comes the demonization of right wing militia types.
  • A Worried Bully

    09/18/2002 10:30:39 PM PDT · 12 of 20
    joeyman to gcruse
    So if we are really putting the pressure on him, how come we are giving them resources to build nuclear reactors capable of producing nuclear bombs. Hhhmmmmmmmmm?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1908571.stm

  • War in Iraq seen as quick win

    09/18/2002 12:42:33 AM PDT · 4 of 11
    joeyman to kattracks
    They're all sold as quick wins. Who's gonna want to go to war if they were told,

    "it will be a long, hard and expensive battle, that will go on for year after year. It will demand lots of blood, shatter many innocent lives and destroying many good people in the process."

  • Spy Agencies Had Pre-9/11 Threats on U.S. Soil

    09/17/2002 8:05:39 PM PDT · 3 of 4
    joeyman to RCW2001
    Just do a search on "prior knowledge" and see what comes up.
  • Poll puts Sebelius 17 points ahead in KS

    09/17/2002 8:00:17 PM PDT · 25 of 28
    joeyman to RAT Patrol
    I think it's woman's natural inclination to make sure everything is all right - like they do in their own family. (Where the kids need a bath, dinner made, the house should be cleaned up and new towels and clean clothes everywhere - a typical guy response might barely acknowledge something is outta wack, but he's not sure what it is. A woman will put everything right.) That's great for family life. Unfortunately when it's transferred to govt edict you get a busy body police state, the American version of this will be (already is actually) quit brutal.
  • Poll puts Sebelius 17 points ahead in KS

    09/17/2002 12:35:24 PM PDT · 12 of 28
    joeyman to RAT Patrol
    My mother-in-law, whom I love to hate, votes for all the women regardless of political party or anything else. She says we need more women in government.

    Naturally. After all, it's far easier to get mommy govt with lots of mommies in office.

  • 'Toilet To Tap' Plan Possible If Drought Worsens

    09/16/2002 10:47:57 PM PDT · 7 of 14
    joeyman to Willie Green
    I got one thing to say to the denver water department:

    YOU FIRST!!!!

  • Another Ol' Hickory in the White House?

    09/16/2002 10:21:21 PM PDT · 10 of 35
    joeyman to Mulder
    Mulder, abolishing the central privately owned bank that charges us interest just to have a currency was my first thought too. H . R . 5356, sponsered by Ron Paul will do just that.
  • Officials Fume At Online Sale of Cigarettes

    09/16/2002 10:16:40 PM PDT · 5 of 19
    joeyman to kattracks
    I just love it when these jerks get wrapped around the axle because they failed to consider the unintended consequences of their actions. Human nature will foil all their plans forever.
  • Iraq's Response to U.S. War Plans

    09/16/2002 1:09:14 PM PDT · 10 of 25
    joeyman to madvlad
    You mean, Baghdad will hold out much like Berlin held out in WWII?

    We could not sustain the casualty rate the Russians did in order to take Berlin (I believe it was a qtr of a million men).

  • Missouri Man Takes Pot Shots at Dope Chopper

    09/15/2002 5:03:29 PM PDT · 12 of 396
    joeyman to Rocksalt
    Geez, a shotgun is good for what, 300 feet with a slug. I wonder if he'll plead self-defense.
  • ARGENTINA: Total Financial Collapse, run on banks possible soon BBC

    09/15/2002 4:57:34 PM PDT · 53 of 61
    joeyman to snopercod
    Then they bitch about the final results later, and refuse to pay, because it "wasn't what they wanted".

    Well you could still work for them, just demand a bond or advance payment. Otherwise no way would I associate with such creeps.

  • ARGENTINA: Total Financial Collapse, run on banks possible soon BBC

    09/15/2002 4:50:27 PM PDT · 51 of 61
    joeyman to Black Agnes
    If there were only 500M of us their net worth wouldn't be nearly as great, supply--demand.

    They don't realize wealth is something only people can produce. They think of minerals in the ground or trees lakes and scenic vistas as wealth. What they don't realize is that without humans, there is no way to put a price or value on these things.

  • ARGENTINA: Total Financial Collapse, run on banks possible soon BBC

    09/15/2002 4:43:50 PM PDT · 50 of 61
    joeyman to BlackJack
    For crying out load, those Argentines don't need the world bank or any type of centralized Federal Reserve Bank to have currency. There is so much silver in the ground there all they have to do is dig it up and mint it into coins, just like the US did in the 19th century (if you brought in a clump of silver they'd press it into coins for you without any cost to you).

    They can have their own currency without any help from any world banks at all. The only question is will they do it?

  • UN fears Iraq anarchy as Bush calls for 'backbone' on Saddam [BARF]

    09/14/2002 9:05:30 PM PDT · 6 of 7
    joeyman to ejdrapes
    There's this view that you go in, execute the bad guys, and leave the place even if it is in a mess.

    I think he has it right. The only point of this exercise is to get a US friendly regieme in there to make it easier for us to do business. Once Sadamm is gone, (assuming this little adventure doesn't lead to WWIII) we'll pay lipservice to improving his domestic situation, but that's about it. Let's not kid ourselves.

  • 'Millions exposed' in 1960s experiments (secret experiments London Spraying bugs from planes )

    09/14/2002 8:51:02 PM PDT · 4 of 6
    joeyman to USA21
    And govt's wonder why people don't trust them. What's next, having to wait a year for heart surgery in the public health care system?
  • Field Poll: It's not smog -- it's gloom

    09/14/2002 4:47:52 PM PDT · 4 of 7
    joeyman to NormsRevenge
    Obviously the state needs to put a businessman in charge.
  • QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE ASKED ABOUT IRAQ

    09/11/2002 7:03:59 AM PDT · 11 of 25
    joeyman to r9etb
    These questions are biased and completely disappointing --

    Hey, then just go ahead and refute three of the points here instead of arguing the new way in America - by just calling the assertions crazy and not logically and rationally showing why they are wrong.

  • Interview shows an angry, intense Bush

    09/10/2002 8:43:44 PM PDT · 145 of 150
    joeyman to MortMan
    What can I say? I don't think of guys crying in public (before the world) when I think about heros. It send a msg to the entire world that we are soft. If Bush wants to cry let him - in private.
  • Interview shows an angry, intense Bush

    09/10/2002 12:53:48 PM PDT · 39 of 150
    joeyman to Pokey78
    Is it still possible to get elected to high office in this feminized culture without having to cry your way into it? Guess he's just not the strong silent type.
  • Can Anyone Direct Me To An Objective Book on Woodrow Wilson?

    09/10/2002 7:08:23 AM PDT · 69 of 117
    joeyman to rightofrush
    Now you really got me going. That single man, Wilson, by his actions to get the US into WWI, created a train of events that made the 20th century the bloodiest yet.
  • Can Anyone Direct Me To An Objective Book on Woodrow Wilson?

    09/09/2002 9:51:38 PM PDT · 8 of 117
    joeyman to weikel
    Not to mention the fact that it was Wilson who was responsible for Lenin's accessention to power, the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (that charges us interest on our currency just so we can have money) passed the income tax (fraudulently as it turns out, see "The law that never was") and did not oppose (and probably championed) the 17th ammendment that gave us direct election of Senators. That last one was the nail in the coffin for states having even the smallest control over the federal behemoth. Finally, he ran on a peace platform while using all his resources to get us into WWI which directly lead to WWII.

    Aside from all the forgoing, I have absolutely no opinion on the man at all.

  • Wash. Post 9/6 Poll: Bush 69% Approval, GOP Leads Dems in Generic 49% to 41%

    09/08/2002 8:47:46 PM PDT · 32 of 58
    joeyman to okie01
    Thus, a serious beating at the polls is likely to further radicalize the Democrat party. Which would tend to pull them into ever more marginal positions, eventually reducing the Democrats to a radical rump. And a merger with Nader's Greens...

    Thomas Jefferson said something along the lines of this, "Two men can look at the exact set of facts and draw diametrically opposed conclusions." This appears to be the case here.

    The banking and other business interests that run the democrat party do not want a marginalized party on the scale of the greens. They need two parties to play off against each other. Therefore, the leadership of the dem party, under a republican wipeout scenario, would say "You must move to where most voters are or we will not finance you."

    The dems, being more heavily financed be far fewer interests than the broader sponsered repubs, would have to play ball. If those who finance the party are unable to secure their interests in that manner, they'd probably run (and heavily finance) their own dark horse candidate to restore some modicum of viability to the wounded donkey.

  • A Foreign Policy for Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty

    09/08/2002 11:34:31 AM PDT · 3 of 9
    joeyman to Pay now bill Clinton
    I wish I lived in an America where this man could be elected President and bring in a congress and senate of like minded people.
  • Wash. Post 9/6 Poll: Bush 69% Approval, GOP Leads Dems in Generic 49% to 41%

    09/08/2002 11:32:33 AM PDT · 21 of 58
    joeyman to tellw
    This poll indicates a blowout in Nov in favor of the Repubs. However, I'll wait till I see add'l polls that confirm it - this is so strong I want to see other polls before I buy into the msg here.

    Generally polls showing a 50 50 split produce a 4 to 6% republican victory on election day. If this is true - this could remove the McGovern Wing of the Democratic Party from power permanently.