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Posts by John Leland 1789

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    11/14/2015 7:13:53 PM PST · 31 of 33
    John Leland 1789 to vpintheak
    Pray, & then with every fiber of our being, fight!

    Yes, Thank you.

    It is important to mention that Dr. Pike's main readership with regard to this booklet (as it is published in print) is the membership of fundamentalist Christian churches. Since 1951 and the trend to 501(c)(3) for most/all churches, members as well as pastors have been afraid to say things out loud that they think the IRS might consider politics. So Christians have kept their mouths shut.


    11/14/2015 4:33:45 PM PST · 19 of 33
    John Leland 1789 to bimboeruption

    You simply read the rhetorical title and by your answer I know you did not read the article, as the author spoke your answer.


    11/14/2015 4:32:17 PM PST · 18 of 33
    John Leland 1789 to spintreebob

    Concerning Cain and Communism. Very good. Thanks!


    11/14/2015 3:37:17 PM PST · 1 of 33
    John Leland 1789
  • “Just wait”: Islamic State says it has smuggled 1000s of jihadis into Europe (Sept 6th article)

    11/14/2015 2:42:22 PM PST · 44 of 44
    John Leland 1789 to Mount Athos
    Go no place unarmed from now, henceforth, American!
  • Southern Baptist leader: Christians should not attend homosexual weddings

    10/28/2015 4:07:06 AM PDT · 12 of 17
    John Leland 1789 to Cronos

    We refuse to attend many “heterosexual” weedings to which we are invited as well. We don’t endorse contemporary Christ-less wedding ceremonies even of professing Christians. We won’t attend weddings where the bride is dressed immodestly either (advertising what should belong to the groom only). We just don’t enjoy weddings. We have found it much easier to truly help folks at funerals than at weddings.

  • American Islamic organization slams Trump for mosque comments

    10/21/2015 10:27:22 PM PDT · 16 of 29
    John Leland 1789 to sheikdetailfeather
    The federal government forcibly shut down the Branch Davidian Church in Waco.

    Also, the Feds confiscated the property of the Indianapolis Baptist Temple and bulldozed the buildings because even though ALL employee income taxes were PAID IN FULL by the employees themselves (proved in the audits of each one), a judge didn't like the fact that the church hadn't withheld the taxes (not been a tax collector for Uncle Sam). The government could have used the $4 million properties, or sold them, but NO(!) the government had to show its anger and raze the buildings.

    So, WHAT religious freedom??? Use a mosque to foment violence and the overthrow of our free republic, and get the mosque shut down. Simple as that.

  • Unbelievable "Clock Kid" Family Just Announced They Are Leaving the U.S.

    10/21/2015 10:37:21 AM PDT · 14 of 39
    John Leland 1789 to conservativejoy

    He is being moved out of the country with his family before much more investigation can take place.

  • Obama: Those taking religion seriously are often suspicious of others

    10/13/2015 10:01:10 AM PDT · 33 of 56
    John Leland 1789 to SeekAndFind
    "'Whenever I hear people saying that our problems would be solved without government, I always want to tell them you need to go to some other countries where there really is no government, where the roads are never repaired ... or kids don’t have access to basic primary education,' he said.".

    Many of us have been to many of those other countries. They are the ones that suppress freedom and free enterprise. The no-repair, no education countries are the socialist countries. They are the countries that enforce Marxist-style agrarian land reform laws, Marxist-style labor laws, and all the rest.

  • He stopped a jihadist in France. Now he's been stabbed in California [Who is the assailant?]

    10/09/2015 7:14:06 AM PDT · 8 of 62
    John Leland 1789 to SeekAndFind

    All people native to Asia are “Asians.” That extends across the entire continent of Asia, therefore would include the area from the eastern shores of the Mediterranean to the Pacific.

    Even though Westerners most often refer to Israel, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, etc. as the “Middle East,” it is still Asia.

  • Mabuhay! Hi all, I'm new and happy to be here!

    10/08/2015 2:45:57 PM PDT · 77 of 103
    John Leland 1789 to Raymond Pamintuan

    And Mabuhay(!) to you, Friend. We spent six full years in the Philippines, and I return once or twice every year.

  • Obama vows to not engage in Syria proxy war

    10/02/2015 11:31:50 PM PDT · 15 of 20
    John Leland 1789 to Citizen Zed
    “No amount of U.S. military engagement will solve political problems.”

    We do use military engagement to solve military problems, Barry!

  • State responds to I-69 environmental concerns

    09/26/2015 9:14:58 PM PDT · 8 of 24
    John Leland 1789 to Tolerance Sucks Rocks

    Any one looking at a map of Indiana can see that Evansville, Henderson, KY, Owensboro, KY and that entire region will benefit greatly, economically from I-69. Let’s get it built.

  • Russian marines join Hizballah in first Syrian battle

    09/24/2015 6:45:59 AM PDT · 6 of 47
    John Leland 1789 to JLAGRAYFOX
    ". . . the American moron POTUS has nary a clue!!!"

    Or, Barrack Obama had this clue all along. Obama's very scheme is to yield the world, including the USA into the dictates of the Communist Internationalle.

    We are the dupes thinking that Obama is simply incompetent or naive. What Putin is accomplishing is, and has been, the very thing Barrack Obama and the Communists at the U.S. State Department want.

  • Cruz: Excluding Muslims from presidency is unconstituional

    09/20/2015 2:45:38 PM PDT · 173 of 410
    John Leland 1789 to LeoWindhorse
    "Constitutional amendments need to be made that redefine what is a ‘religion’ and what is a ‘cult ‘ and thus not protected by 1st Amendment rights . " The federal government defining what is legitimate religion? Thousands of Old-fashioned Baptist churches, Biblicist Presbyterians, Biblicist Brethren churches, Bible churches, churches that make an honest attempt before God to obey the Bible under grace, churches with a high percentage of the membership home schooling their children, churches that teach the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, churches that believe that there will be an apocalyptic Tribulation period (i.e., Daniel's 70th Week) followed by a Messianic Kingdom . . . . . . .

    These will ALL be labeled as cults by any government given the power to determine what is religion under the First Amendment.

  • HILARIOUS/EPIC Carly Fiorina Debate Montage. "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor"

    09/17/2015 9:27:56 AM PDT · 80 of 103
    John Leland 1789 to jimbo123

    She knows how to lay people off when necessary (nobody who is laid off thinks it is necessary, of course). That only tells me that perhaps she won’t mind the criticism when she lays off hundreds of thousands of federal employees. (If elected) . . . I hope, I hope, I hope. Not really an endorsement, but her having laid off 30,000 from HP trying to keep the company solvent is not a negative to me.

  • Hillary Clinton tries to show that her record is more than just talk [comes up a goose egg]

    09/11/2015 5:34:18 AM PDT · 24 of 28
    John Leland 1789 to Cincinatus' Wife

    Hillary Clinton in the White House: purposes-— to extend a third term to Bill, and to extend the Marxist-socialist legacy of Obama.

  • Harrison encourages Lutherans to kneel before the Crucified One

    09/11/2015 5:27:50 AM PDT · 6 of 10
    John Leland 1789 to Cletus.D.Yokel

    Thank you for posting this. Stay in the front of the battle.

  • Stable Gay Relationship is Better Than a Temporary One, Says Cardinal Schnborn

    09/11/2015 5:23:13 AM PDT · 10 of 50
    John Leland 1789 to marshmallow
    "' . . . today’s reality in an evangelical spirit,' . . . "

    Sort of a floating morality, go along with perversion to get along.

  • Thousands gather for We Stand with God rally at SC State House (Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Tim Scott)

    08/29/2015 11:52:30 AM PDT · 4 of 25
    John Leland 1789 to Isara

    My crowd right there!

  • Retire the Myths; Women Are Ready for Combat

    08/22/2015 9:02:28 PM PDT · 93 of 119
    John Leland 1789 to MaskedMan
    "That woman actually DESIRE to be in combat (or even a cop for that matter) is but a sign of a father who failed in his responsibility to his daughter. Men of this nation should be ashamed that it’s come to this."


  • Retire the Myths; Women Are Ready for Combat

    08/22/2015 8:59:53 PM PDT · 92 of 119
    John Leland 1789 to smokingfrog
    The precedent is being set! Females will soon be required to register with the Selective Service Administration and get that number. When a draft is again needed, females will be drafted.

    We (family including granddaughters) will never comply when all of that comes to pass.

    Females were not included in the SSA process for very good traditional societal reasons. Traditional family and historical thought on families is a specific and deliberate target.

  • Texas man shot after bullet he fired at animal ricocheted off its shell and hit him

    07/31/2015 5:11:56 PM PDT · 24 of 33
    John Leland 1789 to Mount Athos
    A couple of years ago, some men were shooting handguns at targets on stands erected across a creek (in a gully). Distance from shooters to targets was about 25 yards.

    I was present and observing from behind and slightly to the left of the six-man firing line. Only observing because a friend was trying out my weapon.

    One shooter was firing a Colt .45 revolver.

    A Colt .45 bullet penetrated a target, struck something in the embankment to the rear of the target, ricocheted back across to the shooters' side of the creek, and struck one of the other shooters in the gut.

    Two of us could see the bullet returning; the velocity was that slow. The bullet left a bruise on the man's gut, but he was not seriously hurt.

  • Two Killed, Eight Injured in Louisiana Theater Shooting

    07/23/2015 9:32:19 PM PDT · 139 of 170
    John Leland 1789 to rdl6989

    Gun-free zone?

  • Two Killed, Eight Injured in Louisiana Theater Shooting

    07/23/2015 9:29:54 PM PDT · 138 of 170
    John Leland 1789 to rdl6989
    "What is going on here? There are FAR too many of these happening and FAR too often. Just a few years ago this was almost unheard of."

    I am coming to think that some of these are set up.

  • Texas Chain Whataburger Bans Open Carry In Restaurants, People Freak Out [TX]

    07/13/2015 6:59:41 PM PDT · 31 of 73
    John Leland 1789 to Daffynition
    In Texas? We don't believe that!

    Here in Indiana we will often see weapons carried openly. It's far from unusual in fast food places.

    If it is seen frequently in Indiana and Hoosiers are not getting nervous, we find it just too hard to believe that Texans get nervous seeing a handgun on a hip.

  • Boy Scouts of America votes to end ban on gay adults

    07/13/2015 6:23:39 PM PDT · 117 of 140
    John Leland 1789 to napscoordinator

    Okay. Accreditation, and all those kinds of things have never bothered me. The spiritual and moral safety of my children are more important.

  • Boy Scouts of America votes to end ban on gay adults

    07/13/2015 3:04:16 PM PDT · 55 of 140
    John Leland 1789 to Morgana

    The end of the BSA. Try Trail Life.

  • " St. Patrick Was a Baptist"

    07/04/2015 8:19:27 PM PDT · 118 of 119
    John Leland 1789 to LilOlLady
    We have labored in one predominantly Vatican-controlled (as to its churches and secondarily the society itself) country, and we have seen enough with our own eyes and heard enough with our own ears.

    If I myself were to have a strong impact on the country where we worked; if many came to Jesus Christ under my ministry, it would not be surprising if, at sometime after my death, I myself would be claimed by Rome as a Catholic, and future generation told that I was a Catholic rather than a Baptist, in order to gain control or to keep control of that population.

  • Schools Implant IUDs in Girls as Young as 6th Grade Without Their Parents Knowing

    07/02/2015 4:38:48 PM PDT · 13 of 32
    John Leland 1789 to NYer

    Remove children from these schools. I would move my family to a state that is very sympathetic to home schooling before I would allow my children to remain in any such school system.

  • TIME Op-Ed: Nows the Time To End Tax Exemptions for Religious Institutions

    06/29/2015 2:13:42 PM PDT · 51 of 52
    John Leland 1789 to Bryher1

    That is too acqiescant to the taxation idea, because they will use that just to bankrupt the churches and steal their properties.

  • What Did Your Pastor Say?

    06/29/2015 7:39:26 AM PDT · 101 of 258
    John Leland 1789 to Jagdgewehr
    Nine people walked out.

    Assuming your pastor took the Biblical position and stand, perhaps the church body and the church's efforts are better off without those nine.

    And perhaps we will no see more purging of the churches, separating the Bible-believers and the genuine Christians from the false professors and mere religionists.

  • What Did Your Pastor Say?

    06/29/2015 7:34:11 AM PDT · 92 of 258
    John Leland 1789 to envisio
    "My church doesn’t get into politics. Thats one of the reasons I like it."

    The issues here are spiritual issues and spiritual warfare issues, not politics. These issues with the SCOTUS ruling have very much to do with family and child-rearing and child education, whic are BIBLE issues.

    It is always correct to praise the Lord Jesus Christ (make sure the "Jesus" you are praising isn't "another Jesus"--2 Corinthians ch. 11), AND there is a whole lot more than that to a Scriptural ministry and church.

  • TIME Op-Ed: Nows the Time To End Tax Exemptions for Religious Institutions

    06/29/2015 7:25:24 AM PDT · 21 of 52
    John Leland 1789 to SeekAndFind
    We do not deduct our giving to our church. Millions of others around the country also do not. To tax our church would be tantamount to double taxation on most of our members.

    Charities are tax "exempt" because of the perceived good they do, or potentially do for the country's people, without which, much or all of that burden might be shifted to the taxpayer.

    The preaching of Bible-believing churches (can't speak for liberal main line churches or denominations), and their training of young people especially, go a very long way to preventing . . . .

    unwanted pregnancies and teen pregnancies; abortions; drug and alcohol abuse; spousal abuse; child abuse; indingency; joblessness; many other social problems that present huge costs to society.

    If their were no churches, no private organizations to help curb these problems, the cost would end up being entirely on the back of the taxpayer.

    Of course, that makes the liberals and progressives smile because that is exactly what they want . . . . government takeover and control of all such.

    The liberals and progressives actually do believe that they know better than the remainder of us just how to solve these problems, and that centralized government is the answer to all ills.

    The truth is that privately operated charities and churches are much more careful frugal, and efficient with money than government ever could or would be.

  • The First 10 Popes of the Catholic Church

    06/20/2015 2:37:02 PM PDT · 47 of 299
    John Leland 1789 to rwa265
    The assembly of which Jesus Christ instructed Peter in Matthew 16 has not appeared on this earth yet. There is NO "church" on earth since Acts 7 which meets its qualifications or description . . . . only some counterfeits . . . and a whole lot of men and denominations who try to use Matthew 16:13-18 to claim unwarranted authority and control over men and their wealth.

    But it, the church of Matthew 16:18, will show up at the end of Daniel's Seventieth Week.

  • " St. Patrick Was a Baptist"

    06/20/2015 8:01:16 AM PDT · 115 of 119
    John Leland 1789 to LilOlLady

    Every regenerated, sanctified soul in Jesus Christ is a saint. All references to saints in the Scriptures are saved people; no special class of regenerated people called saints.

  • GOP Critical of New Obama Rules To Create 'Utopian' Neighborhoods

    06/12/2015 8:13:43 AM PDT · 23 of 57
    John Leland 1789 to HomerBohn
    I'm sure now that this is why my father served in combat during WWII and the Korean conflict. I'm sure that this is why I served in the Air Force during the Viet Nam era on Cold War posts. I'm sure now that this is why thousands of our soldiers have given their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan.


  • Is American Christianity Committing Suicide?

    06/08/2015 10:33:22 AM PDT · 23 of 39
    John Leland 1789 to SeekAndFind

    Our work does nothing but intensify.

  • Robert Gates to Boy Scouts: Surrender Your Principles

    05/28/2015 6:51:56 PM PDT · 31 of 32
    John Leland 1789 to NYer

    TRAIL LIFE USA is growing rapidly in the southern Indiana counties near Louisville.

  • Marriage Redefined: Young Evangelicals in Crisis

    05/28/2015 6:19:27 PM PDT · 11 of 47
    John Leland 1789 to Mrs. Don-o
    I have never met a Quaker. I don't think they are "evangelical."

    Quakers, interestingly, are specifically named in Indiana state law as not requiring a marriage license.

  • On Fox, Geraldo Rivera Compares Pamela Geller to Aryan Nation, Skinheads, KKK (Video)

    05/08/2015 6:36:54 AM PDT · 34 of 61
    John Leland 1789 to Citizen Zed

    Some major and significant event should take place every day of the calendar to signal to all Islamists, pro-Sharia people that in the United States we WILL exercise and KEEP the First Amendment and the right to free OFFENSIVE speech-——we will not bow to Islam’s purposes to limit free speech. This is Pamela Geller’s objective, and Geraldo misses it altogether.

  • Chinese province to ban rooftop Christian crosses (Chekiang)

    05/07/2015 9:47:17 AM PDT · 6 of 8
    John Leland 1789 to Opinionated Blowhard
    "China is fast becoming a Christian nation and the Communists are scared to death of it."

    Well . . . . . maybe nominally so.

  • Gay Money Is No Good in Indiana

    03/27/2015 9:38:15 AM PDT · 46 of 56
    John Leland 1789 to grumpygresh
    "Once gay activists succeed in forcing principled religious institutions to perform gay marriage or disband, or go underground, we will have lost religious liberty entirely."

    Churches don't need to "disband" except in the sense of dissolving their corporation and do away with their 501(c)3 Status. Basically they would be going underground. There are already thousands of local congregations around the country meeting just that way. Many more will have to do so in the near future for many reasons.

  • Soros, Birchers fight constitutional fix to limit Obama, Congress

    03/27/2015 9:25:50 AM PDT · 63 of 77
    John Leland 1789 to VitacoreVision
    As more light is brought to the movement to convene a Convention of States, the more fear from the left comes with it.

    You would think the Birchers would at least wait to see what develops.

  • Homosexuals in Newfoundland hit by 'astronomical' syphilis outbreak

    03/26/2015 4:06:46 AM PDT · 52 of 58
    John Leland 1789 to PROCON
    HIV outbreak in Scott County, Indiana (southern Indiana), said to be from needle sharing.

  • Chino High School Teacher Who Learned As An Adult That Shes Genetically Female Goes Public

    03/24/2015 12:52:13 PM PDT · 28 of 68
    John Leland 1789 to fwdude

    Reprobate minds believe these lies quite readily.

  • " St. Patrick Was a Baptist"

    03/21/2015 10:55:34 AM PDT · 110 of 119
    John Leland 1789 to Coleus
    "Reformation Leaders Tortured and Killed Dissidents!"

    CORRECT. They did. Baptists, Quakers, and others were tortured, murdered, deprived of liberty and property by Reformed Protestants of New England. Anglican priests ordered British Militia into the North Carolina Piedmont in the 1740s to burn the farms and homes of Separate Baptists.

  • " St. Patrick Was a Baptist"

    03/17/2015 12:40:58 PM PDT · 101 of 119
    John Leland 1789 to John Leland 1789

    St. Patrick A Baptist!

    by Dr. L. K. Landis

    For centuries Roman Catholicism has laid claim to the supposition that Patrick of Ireland was a Roman priest. However, over 100 hundred years ago W. A. Jarrel, much respected author and church historian, put into print what had been known by Baptists since the very beginning, that Patrick was not a Catholic priest, but rather a Baptist missionary. It is because of this much neglected fact that we put into print this material so that this present generation may know the truth and great heritage of this early Baptist missionary to Ireland. So zealous were these historians of the 1800’s and so spirited was their conviction to this that one wrote, “Rome’s most audacious theft was when she seized bodily the Apostle Peter and made him the putative head and founder of her system; but next to that brazen act stands her effrontery when she ‘annexed’ the great missionary preacher of Ireland and enrolled him among her saints” (A Short History of the Baptists [1907], Henry C. Vedder, pg. 71-72).

    Most church historians agree that Patrick, originally named Succat (or Succathus) Patricus, was born sometime between the years 360 AD and 387 AD, probably near what is now Dumbarton, Scotland. It is also generally accepted by those knowledgable of the subject that he lived to a well advanced age, some placing him at over 100 years old at the time of his death.

    Cathcart, the dean among Baptist apologists, suggests that Patrick is not his name, but rather a title of honor meaning noble and illustrous and was bestowed upon him by his grateful admirers (The Baptist Encyclopedia [1881], by William Cathcart, pg. 886). His writings reveal that his father, Calpurnius, was a deacon in a Baptist church (we know that there were Baptist churches on the British Isle as far back as A.D. 63, History of the Welch Baptists [1770], by J. Davis, Page 14), having apparently been converted to Christ while on a business trip to Rome as he also served as a Roman civil officer. In spite of being reared in a godly home and taught the ways of the Scriptures, Cathcart also states that the young Patrick was “...wild and wicked until his sixteenth year...” when, while working on his father’s farm, he and several others were seized and carried away captive by a band of pirates to Ireland, where he was sold into slavery to a petty Irish clan chieftan. For over five years he suffered the atrocities of slavery. Later, however, he would recount that it was during this most dark period of his life that he, himself, was converted to Christ remembering the Christian training he had received from his godly father while but a child.

    Regarding this, W. A. Jarrel wrote over one hundred years ago, “...the truth which saved him when a youthful slave in pagan Ireland was taught him in the godly home of...his father” (Baptist Church Perpetuity or History [1894], W. A Jarrel, pg. 472).

    Historians also record that “...upon his twenty-first year, he escaped the chains of servitude...” and returned to his father’s home in Scotland, only to find that he had died and his land acquired by others. It was during this time that Patrick, “being a stronger Christian, the Lord soon called him back to Ireland as the missionary for that blinded country” (Ibid.). Jarrel further suggests that the more one studies the life, ministry and writings of this Irish “apostle”, “...the more he stands out as a Baptist.” He, Jarrel, is perhaps among the greatest authorities on the subject of Saint Patrick, as one full chapter of his makes several suggestions as to why Patrick could not have been a Roman Catholic priest:

    1. “At the time of Saint Patrick the Romish church was only en embryo”.

    2. “In St. Patrick’s time the authority of the bishop of Rome was not generally recognized.”

    3. “There is no history to sustain the Romish claim that Patrick was sent to Ireland by Pope Celistine.” Not one of the early biographers of his life mentions any ties to Rome. Even in all the writings of Saint Patrick himself there is never any mention of connection with Rome.

    Neander, the church historian, wrote, “If Patrick came to Ireland as a deputy from Rome, it might naturally be expected that in the Irish church a certain sense of dependence would always have been preserved towards the mother church. But we find, on the contrary, in the Irish church a spirit of church freedom, similar to that in Britain, which struggled against the yoke of Roman ordinances. We find subsequently among the Irish a much greater agreement with the ancient British than with Roman ecclesiastical usages.

    This goes to prove that the origin of the church was independent of Rome, and must be traced solely to the people of Britain... Again, no indication of his connection with the Romish church is to be found in his confesssion; rather everything seems to favor the supposition that he was ordained bishop in Britain itself” (Neander’s History of the Christian Church, Volume 2, page 123).

    Another Irish scholar says, “...Leo II, was bishop of Rome from 440 to 461 A.D. and upwards of one hundred and forty of his letters to correspondents in all parts of Christendom still remain and yet he never mentions Patrick or his work, or in any way intimates that he knew of the great work being done there.”

    Professor George T. Stokes, still yet another prominent scholar, declares that prior to the synod of Rathbresail in A.D. 1112, the rule of each Irish church was independent, autonomous, and “...dioceses and diocesan episcopacy had no existence at all.”

    Considering these indisputable and undeniable facts, it is impossible for Patrick to have been the patron Roman Catholic saint of Ireland. The material is just not there to substantiate any such claim. Baptist pastor, author and historian Gillham says that in the middle of the nineteenth century, Baptists universally accepted the fact that Patrick of Ireland was of apostolic tradition and therefore a Baptist. It was also commonly accepted that the baptism of the heirs to his ministry were also investigated and found to be New Testament in origin. It was only during these last 150 years that Baptists have been willing to relinquish Patrick to the hands of the papacy.

    However, the insurmountable evidence of his position among the Baptists of antiquity comes from the writings of this great man himself. While several letters written by Patrick and sent to Christians converted to Christ under his ministry still exist, most of what we know of his beliefs are taken from two documents that he wrote: St. Patrick’s Confession, or Epistle to the Irish; and an “Epistle to Coroticus.” In these two writings that still survive, it becomes very apparent that this great preacher was not of Roman Catholic persuasion. He was a Baptist through and through, holding recognized Baptist positions on all the cardinal doctrines. Consider these eight (8) conclusive reasons why Saint Patrick was a Baptist!

    Number One: St. Patrick Baptized Only Professed Believers

    Contrary to Catholic dogma, which teaches that infants are to be “baptized”, in all of Patrick’s writings he does not mention one single incident when he baptized an infant, much less someone who had not professed Christ as their Saviour. Patrick records the baptism of one convert named Enda the night after his infant son, Cormac, was born. What an ideal opportunity to record the baptism of an infant, and yet Patrick makes no mention of it at all.

    Only Enda, a professed believer; not his infant son who could make no claim of Christ. In all of his writings, the great Irish preacher never mentions or even alludes to pedobaptism (the baptism of infants). In fact, each time he refers to baptism at all he calls those ready for the ordinance of baptism “baptized captives”, “baptized handmaidens of Christ”, “baptized women distributed as rewards”, “baptized believers”, “men” and “women.” In one place, Patrick wrote, “Perhaps, since I have baptized so many thousand men, I might have expected half a screpall [a coin worth six cents] from some of them...” Notice that he refers to having baptized “ many thousand men..”, no infants, but men; adult, professing, believing, responsible men. Another place he writes, “So that even after my death I may leave as legacies to my brethren...whom I have baptized in the Lord, so many thousand men.” Again he acknowledges the fact that he has baptized thousands of men, but not one infant.

    Number Two: St. Patrick Baptized By Immersion Only

    This has been a leading principle among the Baptists since the days of the Apostles and still is today. Again, in all of his writings there is not one shred of evidence that the Irish preacher knew anything of sprinkling. All of the records of his baptisms tell of immersion. Cathcart (along with Nennius, Todd, O’Farrell and other church historians) records one such instance, “When the saint entered Tirawly, the seven sons of Amalgaidh assembled with their followers. Profiting by the presence of so vast a multitude, the apostle entered into the midst of them, his soul inflamed with the love of God, and with a celestial courage preached the truths of Christianity; and so powerful was the effect of his burning words that the seven princes and over twelve thousand more were converted on that day, and were soon baptized in a spring called Tobar Enadhaire” (The Baptist Encyclopedia [1881], by William Cathcart, page 887). Dr. Cathcart further states, “There is absolutely no evidence that any baptism but that of immersion of adult believers existed among the ancient Britons, in the first half of the fifth century, nor for a long time afterwards.”

    In 1631 the English Baptists discovered, and subsequently corresponded with, small communities of Baptists in Ireland and found them to be sound. These churches, located in Dublin, Waterford, Clonmel, Kilkenny, Cork, Limerick, Galloway, Wexford, Carrick Fergus and Kerry are listed in Joseph Ivimey’s comprehensive History of the English Baptists [1811], Volume 1, Pages 240-241. It is believed that some of these churches had histories dating to the time of Patrick. Many of them can substantiate and confirm their claims of such for nearly 1100 years, which places them within two hundred years of Patrick.

    Number Three: In Church Government,

    St. Patrick Was A Baptist During his ministry, Patrick is recorded to have “founded 365 churches and consecrated the same number of bishops, and ordained 3,000 presbyters (Ancient British and Irish Churches, William Cathcart, page 282). Anglican Bishop Stillingfleet refers to an account of a great council of Brevy, Wales at which there were 118 Irish bishops. Noting that if these were Catholic bishops this little island was in danger of “...going to seed -— in bishops.” Other historians concede that “...Saint Patrick placed a bishop in every church which he founded; and several presbyters after the example of the New Testament churches.” One such scholar, a Dr. Carew of Maynooth, admits that a bishop “...was simply the pastor of one congregation.” The Catholic and protestant idea of a bishop being the head over several churches in different cities was totally unknown among those early churches on the British Isles. This can be confirmed from writings of Irish clergymen dated from A.D. 1112 and reconfirmed from the same in A.D. 1057.

    Number Four: Patrick Was A Baptist In Independence From Creeds, Councils, Popes, etc.

    Patrick never attended one council and recognized no authority over him, save that of the Lord Jesus Himself. There is not any evidence whatsoever that even remotely suggests that the famed Irish preacher acknowledged any man to be of superior authority, power or position than he. He recognized no Pope. He recognized no Cardinal. In all of his writings it cannot be found where one time he subscribes to even the most insignificant and remote catechism, creed, or dogma of the Roman Catholic system. Of all the great Christians that Patrick refers to in his letters, he never pays homage to any Pope, nor mentions any man as being superior in church clergy. Instead, the great Irish missionary speaks of his love, regards, and terms of affection for those men whom had been ordained as pastors of the churches he founded. Upon the authority of the little Baptist church in Scotland where he was saved and from which he received his commission much as did Paul and Barnabus (Acts 15:22).

    Number Five: In Doctrine

    Patrick Was A Baptist In all of his writings, all of the doctrine that Patrick espouses adherence to is consistent with historic Baptist doctrine. The venerable preacher wrote, “It is Christ who gave His life for thee (and) is He who speaks to thee. He has poured out upon us abundantly the Holy Spirit, the gift and assurance of immortality, who causes men to believe and become obedient that they might be the sons of God and joint heirs with Christ.” In this one statement, Patrick alludes to six (6) major Baptist doctrines:

    a. Patrick believed in the substitutionary atonement of Christ. He did not believe that salvation comes through catechism, communion, confession or christening. He believes what Baptists have always believed, that all are saved by the Grace of God, through faith in His Son, coming in repentance, and by His blood. William Cathcart wrote, “There is no ground for doubting but that he preached the gospel of repentance and faith in Ireland, and that his ministrations were attended by overwhelming success” (The Baptist Encyclopedia, page 887).

    b. He believes in the free gift of the Holy Spirit which comes to the believer at the moment of salvation. He does not believe that the gift of the Holy Spirit is a separate work of grace, nor is He manifested by speaking in tongues (John 14:16).

    c. He also firmly conveys the message of the eternal security of the believer in that those who are genuinely saved have put on immortality (II Timothy 1:10).

    d. He confirms his belief that men must be drawn by God in order to be saved (John 6:44).

    e. Patrick affirms his conviction in the sonship of the believer (John 1:12). He believes that while Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, every true believer in Christ is also a son.

    f. And the great Irish theologian attests to the fact that all believers are joint-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:16-17). Patrick’s doctrine is also recorded by his disciples. Comgall writes, “religion does not exist in bodily efforts...” Muirchu states that the ancient poet Dubthac was redeemed under the ministry of Patrick and that he “...first on that day believed in God and it was imputed to him for righteousness” No mention of baptism for salvation. No mention of a confessional. No mention of communion. Patrick taught his disciples well that salvation comes only by and through the grace of Almighty God.

    Number Six: In Terms Of The Lord’s Supper, Patrick Was A Baptist.

    From his writings we know that he rejected the Roman Catholic view of salvation in the ordinance. Also from his writings, we know that Patrick believed that the believer himself should partake of both elements of communion, the bread and the cup, and not just the administrator exclusively. In writing of the conversion of the two daughters of Irish King Loeghaire under his ministry, Patrick tells them to put away their idols and trust Christ alone. His instructions to them regarding the Lord’s Supper is that they receive both elements representative of His body and blood.

    Number Seven: Patrick Rejects The Roman Catholic Dogma Of Transubstantiation

    Patrick believed that the elements were only pictures of Christ’s body and Christ’s blood. Dr. Jarrell wrote, “In all the descriptions of the Eucharist quoted there is no evidence that it is...”, or literally becomes the flesh of Christ and His blood. The elements are merely symbols of such.

    Number Eight: Patrick Never Affirmed His Belief In, Or Adherence To, Many Crucial Catholic Pecularities

    St. Patrick was a Baptist and the first Irish churches were Baptist churches. He knew nothing of priestly confession and priestly forgiveness. He was not acquainted with extreme unction. He strictly forbade the worship of images. Never once did he instruct his converts that they were to pay homage to Mary or worship her. He never mentions the intercession of Mary or of any departed saint. In all of his writings there is no mention at all of purgatory, of indulgences, of keeping holy days, of praying to anyone but God Himself, of the persecution of opposers of the church, of distinguishing clerical garments, of the rosary, of last rites, of mass, of allegiance to the Pope. None of these crucial Catholic doctrines and dogmas were practiced by or even mentioned by the great missionary to Ireland.

    It is my firm conviction that it has sufficiently been shown that Saint Patrick was not a Roman Catholic in doctrine or practice, but rather an early Baptist preacher following in the footsteps of the Apostles themselves, believing what they believed, practicing what they practiced. In conclusion, it seems that the words of W.A. Jarrell on this subject are most fitting, “Were Patrick not turned to dust, and were the body able to hear and turn, he would turn over in his coffin at the disgrace on his memory from the Romish church claiming him as a Roman Catholic” (Baptist Church Perpetuity or History, page 479).

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