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Posts by Jvette

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  • Workers deserve better jobs

    04/05/2015 9:51:07 PM PDT · 28 of 38
    Jvette to Secret Agent Man

    True. If children are expendable then so are the parents. They will never admit that the destruction of the family is the goal.....they believe their agenda is noble! That is how badly they are under the spell of the deceiver.

  • Workers deserve better jobs

    04/05/2015 6:00:53 PM PDT · 23 of 38
    Jvette to E. Pluribus Unum

    I give the credit to my husband who had always placed the welfare of me and our childrenabove his own. He is my hero

  • Workers deserve better jobs

    04/05/2015 5:39:31 PM PDT · 21 of 38
    Jvette to RetiredTexasVet

    Lol. Well my kids are grown now but I could see those idiots saying I owe back taxes and confiscating my check to cover them.

  • Workers deserve better jobs

    04/05/2015 5:18:40 PM PDT · 18 of 38
    Jvette to E. Pluribus Unum

    I just found out this week that by choosing to stay home and raise my children, I deprived the government of taxes from two sources.....from my paycheck and that of the woman I would have had to hire to take care of my children.

    With so many people needing the government’s help how could I be so selfish?

  • The Church of the Left

    04/03/2015 7:46:57 PM PDT · 7 of 13
    Jvette to TBP

    Kinda like the Muslims huh? You will adhere and obey what we believe or we will destroy you.

  • Bill Whittle: 'Sir, I Will Not Obey that Order' (video)

    04/02/2015 12:21:03 PM PDT · 33 of 43
    Jvette to laplata

    A lot of people were taken in by his seeming hopefulness when he first came on the scene. At the time, he was very good at hiding his rotten soul but then, Satan and his minions are very good at that, aren’t they?

    It is not a conspiracy theory to think that the MSM did everything they could to give him cover. They did everything they could to demonize his opposition and were very successful at it.

    That is why, even today, with all the evidence of his hatred of our beloved country, there are those who do not see him for what he is. Rather, they blame the opposition for his failure to lead this country.

  • Bill Whittle: 'Sir, I Will Not Obey that Order' (video)

    04/02/2015 11:39:06 AM PDT · 29 of 43
    Jvette to TheGunny

    Amen, Gunny.

  • Bill Whittle: 'Sir, I Will Not Obey that Order' (video)

    04/02/2015 10:12:52 AM PDT · 17 of 43
    Jvette to servo1969

    Just one more reason to despise this president.

  • Four reasons why the Bread of Life Discourse cannot be a metaphor

    03/28/2015 9:39:18 PM PDT · 56 of 107
    Jvette to BipolarBob

    That is not what is said in that passage. Not sure how you came to that understanding. Maybe you could explain.

  • Four reasons why the Bread of Life Discourse cannot be a metaphor

    03/28/2015 9:08:53 PM PDT · 46 of 107
    Jvette to DesertRhino

    He never held up or pointed to a door and said this is my body.

  • Four reasons why the Bread of Life Discourse cannot be a metaphor

    03/28/2015 9:07:31 PM PDT · 45 of 107
    Jvette to BipolarBob

    No. He has conquered death. What happened to his body after the Ascension?

  • Singing the National Anthem at Walmart

    03/24/2015 9:27:15 PM PDT · 4 of 9
    Jvette to Dallas59

    I wish those who sing the National Anthem at sporting events sang it as well as these kids who know the words and the melody and proudly sand them.

    Thanks for this:)

  • We Are ‘Synthetic Children’ And We Agree With Dolce & Gabbana

    03/22/2015 7:42:46 PM PDT · 22 of 24
    Jvette to jocon307

    The desire to have one’s biological children is inherent in all animals. The difference with humans is that if one cannot have one naturally, there are other ways to do so.

    The problem, like with these children, is parents who don’t always consider the life long ramifications of the methods they use to have a child.

    I understand Elton’s desire, but at what cost to the child? What price will these children pay for a need that could not be filled in a natural and as these girls said, complimenary sexual relationship?

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/21/2015 7:14:01 PM PDT · 105 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    Again, what you offered is OUR sacrifice to the Lord and the blood of animals is not to be eaten for it is the blood which gives life to the animal and ingesting it is akin to taking the life of that animal within you.

    Jesus, the Lamb of God, is God’s sacrifice FOR us and His blood is life giving. When we partake of the cup, as He told us to do we are taking into us His life, as He planned for us to do.

    There is no comparison between Jesus and a goat or a sheep or a lamb and the laws God laid down for their sacrifice have nothing to do with the the perfect sacrifice, Jesus.

    Merely throwing out a verse here or there does not do justice to what the Word of God reveals to us. It is not that it limits us, but it limits God.

    There is no getting around what Jesus said and did. That He even said that we should eat His flesh and drink His blood was a sin when taken in the context of the verses you cite.

    But, say it He did. God did not contradict Himself nor did He go against His own law as revealed to us. What He has done is replaced our imperfect sacrifice with HIMSELF, the perfect and eternal sacrifice poured out for our eternal life.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/21/2015 8:10:55 AM PDT · 95 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    God has not contradicted Himself. In Deuteronomy He is speaking of animal sacrifice for the sins of the people. He says clearly that it is the blood that gives life so they are not to eat of the blood of animals.

    Jesus is not some animal. He is God. His blood gives the life that is eternal. He says exactly that in John.

    There is a huge difference between partaking of the lifeblood of animals and that of the life giving blood of God.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/21/2015 8:01:07 AM PDT · 94 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    Ah, of course. When unable to refute the plain truth, offer instead condescending snark.

    It’s ok. I expected as much. It’s not about how I feel but what Scripture actually says.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 5:22:57 PM PDT · 76 of 117
    Jvette to NYer

    I have listened to about half of the youtube link given in the comments, of the conversation between Tim Staples and Steve Gregg. I don’t know if the host, Mr. Gregg ever realized the irony of him saying several times, “This is just my take.....My take on this is.....I take this to mean.....

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 5:20:09 PM PDT · 75 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    And in these passages, God tells them that it is the blood that has life. That sacrifice was not for life, but for remission of sins of the people.

    Jesus is the perfect sacrifice, the spotless Lamb and He says that His blood gives life.

    Big difference.

    God does not contradict Himself.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 5:09:33 PM PDT · 71 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    He says I will not drink again, but nowhere does Scripture say that He drank from the cup once He blessed it and spoke of it as His blood. Look again at the passage...

    in Matthew, He blessed it and GAVE IT TO THEM saying....

    in Mark, and He took the cup and He GAVE IT TO THEM.....

    in Luke, 17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

    and then AFTER supper, when the meal was ended, He took bread and likewise the cup.

    It does not say it, no matter how badly one may want it.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 5:01:23 PM PDT · 70 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear; pgyanke

    Jesus is eternal as is His sacrifice. The Last Supper was necessary so that He could show the Apostles how He could indeed give His flesh and blood for us to eat and drink.

    This was so important that when He called and revealed Himself to St. Paul, He gave to Paul the exact words that He used at the Last Supper.

    Christ’s blood is the ocean of God’s mercy which is endless and fathomless.

    The same God that created the universe and all that is in it, who overshadowed a virgin and by so doing created the Son of God and Son of Man, is certainly capable of anything.

    We in our humanity cannot understand the how, but we respond as the Apostles did when Jesus asked if they too would leave Him. “To whom shall we go, Lord. We believe that you are the Christ. You have the words of eternal life.”

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 3:02:08 PM PDT · 49 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    But, one has to remember that Jesus was also the Lamb of God which was the sacrifice of God for the redemption of sinners.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 3:00:59 PM PDT · 48 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    I know that they were at supper and that Scripture never says that once Jesus broke the bread and blessed the cup that He himself ate or drank.

    In fact Luke specifically says that it was after supper that Jesus blessed the cup and told them to drink.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 2:04:14 PM PDT · 40 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    So, now that the dodging answer has been addressed, please respond to the fact that Scripture never says that Jesus partook of that which He gave to His disciples.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 2:01:13 PM PDT · 38 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    Not at all. Jesus is God who is the one who has all knowledge of good and evil.

  • A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)

    03/20/2015 1:14:15 PM PDT · 29 of 117
    Jvette to CynicalBear

    Jesus never drank of the cup that He gave to His disciples. Scripture never says that He did.

    Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. [R] [+]
    27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; [R] [+]
    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. [R] [+]
    29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

    Mark 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. [R] [+]
    23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. [R] [+]
    24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. [R] [+]
    25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

    Luke 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: [R] [+]
    16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. [R] [+]
    17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: [R] [+]
    18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. [R] [+]
    19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [R] [+]
    20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

  • I need to declare what on my taxes?!? Obamacare confusion

    03/19/2015 7:49:38 PM PDT · 19 of 22
    Jvette to texas booster

    Thank you so much. I checked and that is the reason.

    I always do our taxes because we do the one without deductions and this threw me for a loop. It’s always been straight forward before; one W2 for each of us, plug in the numbers, add, subtract and then write the check.

  • I need to declare what on my taxes?!? Obamacare confusion

    03/19/2015 7:06:52 PM PDT · 11 of 22
    Jvette to Red in Blue PA

    Is this why my husband got two W2 forms? All that is listed on the second is an amount on line 12a. Has anyone else had this?

  • One nation under Allah: Fury after school recites pledge in Arabic

    03/19/2015 4:34:01 PM PDT · 8 of 23
    Jvette to Jim Robinson

    Testing the waters....

  • Holy Tradition vs. Sola Scriptura: The Witness of the Liturgy

    03/12/2015 1:43:59 PM PDT · 18 of 23
    Jvette to Teófilo

    I enjoyed the essay and thank you for making available to read.

    To your witness, I say AMEN!

    I also rest easy and joyously in the Lord, knowing that where I am weak, He is strong and makes perfect my own feeble attempt to worship Him as He deserves.

  • Early Church Evidence Refutes Real Presence

    03/11/2015 6:58:15 PM PDT · 96 of 373
    Jvette to metmom

    John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? [R] [+]
    61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

    Why would they be offended by what Jesus said? I could understand disappointed that He would not be feeding them again, but offended?

    And, what was hard about what Jesus said if they were only thinking of their hunger?

  • Early Church Evidence Refutes Real Presence

    03/11/2015 6:49:28 PM PDT · 90 of 373
    Jvette to editor-surveyor

    Scripture does not say that Jesus ate or drank what He blessed and gave to His disciples.

  • Percent of precincts reported as of 11/5/2014 2:21:17 AM

    11/05/2014 11:18:11 AM PST · 15 of 18
    Jvette to rktman

    My father-in-law used to make thermal blankets for the shuttles when he worked for Northrop back in the eighties. He was an upholsterer and went to work for them after he retired. I can’t remember which one he and my mom-in-law went to watch launched but it was a great experience for him.

    I’m glad you are happy here. Nevada is a great state.

  • Percent of precincts reported as of 11/5/2014 2:21:17 AM

    11/05/2014 9:47:27 AM PST · 12 of 18
    Jvette to rktman

    Took my girl to visit my parents. After a couple days she asked me how anyone could live there. She’s a native nevadan and the humidity was brutal for her.

    I came to nevada from Florida because my dad was stationed at nellis. Been here 35 yrs

  • Percent of precincts reported as of 11/5/2014 2:21:17 AM

    11/05/2014 9:09:30 AM PST · 9 of 18
    Jvette to rktman

    Lol not enough invaders have been as beneficial.

    I love Florida. My parents live there and I went to FSU

  • Percent of precincts reported as of 11/5/2014 2:21:17 AM

    11/05/2014 8:32:14 AM PST · 7 of 18
    Jvette to rktman

    Yep. Prouder still that she is a conservative with a hint of libertarianism. That’s what nearly all of Nevada was before the invasion from other states.

  • Percent of precincts reported as of 11/5/2014 2:21:17 AM

    11/05/2014 7:58:11 AM PST · 2 of 18
    Jvette to rktman

    Yep it was a good night in the silver state. If only the dina titus race had gone a different way, it would have been perfection.

    Especially glad to see tax initiatives went down in flames.

    So proud of my 23 yr old daughter who took the time to vote.

  • Come On Everybody! Sign In and Comment On the Event of the Century!

    11/04/2014 11:16:40 PM PST · 52 of 71
    Jvette to lbryce

    Woo Hoo!

    Things looking good in Nevada for a republican take over of state government.

    Was very leery of the pre election predictions after last time. SO HAPPY TO BE CELEBRATING THIS TSUNAMI TONIGHT

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/30/2014 7:37:37 PM PDT · 727 of 740
    Jvette to metmom

    *****The Holy Spirit is the one who opens the heart and mind to understand the things of Christ. Without His guidance, even with the most intellectually gifted teachers, it would remain foolishness to the unbeliever.*****

    I agree, but that is different than one coming to the Bible without any fore knowledge and understanding everything that is written in it.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/30/2014 7:35:20 PM PDT · 726 of 740
    Jvette to metmom

    It’s not the job of *the Church* to spread the gospel,

    Read Paul’s description of the Church in Corinthians. Note at the end the different roles that the Holy Spirit assigns. We are no longer individuals, but members of the One Body of Christ. The Church is the community of believers and from the very beginning there is an order that has been maintained through the centuries.

    Me and the Bible is church is a fallacy.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/30/2014 7:17:12 PM PDT · 725 of 740
    Jvette to metmom

    Sacred Scripture—there is nothing in Scripture itself which tells us which books are to considered Scripture.

    Infant Baptism-

    Sunday Worship-The believers began meeting and celebrating Sunday though there is nothing in Scripture which says that they were to meet on Sunday.

    The collection for the saints-Paul speaks of taking up the collection in advance for him to take with him after he preaches.

    The Apostles appoint Steven and the others to deal with and disperse the assets, though there is no directive for either the collection or the dispersal of them in Scripture.

    The laying on of hands in ordination. We know the Apostles did this, but there is nothing in Scripture telling them to do so or how to do so.

    There is no directive in Scripture that the letters of the Apostles should be copied and shared with others, yet that is what the early church did. There is not even a directive that the letters should be kept or read over and over when the faithful gathered.

    The Church does not spring from the New Testament, rather it is from the Church that the New Testament comes. The writings were all written for those who already believed and had come to believe through preaching. The writings also support and remind believers of traditions that were already in existence, they do not establish new ones.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/30/2014 6:01:20 PM PDT · 722 of 740
    Jvette to metmom

    *****It doesn’t have to be the *Church* who tells it.*****

    The Church is the way Christ chose to ensure that His Gospel would be proclaimed throughout all the world to the end of age.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/30/2014 5:54:53 PM PDT · 721 of 740
    Jvette to Elsie

    ****This is what most every cult says.****

    A statement like this does not intimidate me. Nor will it silence me.

    I admit, without reservation, that I did not just pick up a Bible, read it and come to faith without anyone’s help. I came to faith first through the testimony of others and began reading Scripture after.

    I don’t speak Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic, therefore, I have to depend on the translations of others since I cannot read any of the languages in which Scriptures was first written.

    I use commentaries, read books and articles by others and study with others.

    I am not a go-it-alone Christian, just as Jesus did not expect or want me to be.

    I think that statement is an odius attempt to make me shut up, made by one who has no more arrows in their quiver.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/29/2014 5:13:56 PM PDT · 716 of 740
    Jvette to Springfield Reformer

    ******And sonny I mean everything,*****

    That is from your first post with the story of the diary, which I included in my response. Either the Bible does or does not contain the ability to know everything. I have not argued that it is not sufficient; I believe it is when one has been taught how to read and understand it.

    I also wonder if it is really true that one could pick up the Bible and without any guidance from anyone else, clearly understand the full story of salvation which comes from Jesus. I don’t know anyone who has done such a thing but I guess it’s possible.

    Remember the Ethiopian Eunuch who an angel of the Lord sends Phillip to find. Scripture tells us that he was returning home from worshiping in Jerusalem and reading Isaiah when Phillip asked him if he understood what he was reading. His answer is how can I unless someone explains it.
    There are differing opinions on whether this man was a Jew or a Gentile since Scripture doesn’t say. Some assume he could not have been a Jew given his nationality and race. Others believe he was Jew but excluded from temple because he was a eunuch. It doesn’t matter because as Jew or a Gentile, he did not know of whom the prophet was speaking and needed someone to explain.

    That is why oral tradition and authoritative teachings are necessary. If one cannot take up Scripture on one’s own and come to the necessary knowledge to have faith in Jesus, then that makes the Bible only a part of the deposit of faith.

    Here is the question that must be answered to some satisfaction in my mind....Had there never been anything written by the Apostles, would we still have sufficient knowledge of Jesus to know that He is Lord and that our salvation comes from Him?

    This comes back to the first few years when the Apostles had not written anything and still went out into the world proclaiming the Good News.

    Let’s not forget that when evangelizing the Gentiles, appealing to Scripture would have been meaningless as the Gentiles did not know Scripture. And if Scripture was used, they would have had to explain a good deal of it to them.

    Paul, in Athens appeals to his listeners without using any of the OT. Instead he quotes their own prophets when he says, For ‘In him we live and move and have our being....
    and.....We too are His offspring. He could not have depended on the OT because his listeners were followers of Greek philosophers.

    In summary, the Bible is indeed God breathed and profitable for all the things which Paul lists in Timothy, but it is not self explanatory or accessible to everyone, since not everyone can read or full understand what they are reading.

    Regarding the pharisees and Jesus encounters with them. I cannot stress enough that when Jesus speaks to them, He calls them out for their hypocrisy or their failure to understand the Scripture they knew so well. Why wasn’t Scripture sufficient for them to know Jesus? Why did He so often have to spell it out for them? Because they were so engrossed with the written word they could not see their Savior when He moved among them.

    Again, I must stop here, but I will address the “sufficiency” point you made at a later time. I need to go back and reread that post.

    Hope you have a great evening:)

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/29/2014 2:43:38 PM PDT · 715 of 740
    Jvette to Elsie

    I can’t disagree with that!

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/28/2014 8:03:30 PM PDT · 711 of 740
    Jvette to Elsie

    ******And his responses are FULL of pertinent data; but... are they convincing you of the errs of your carefully chosen religion?******

    Sigh, it was not I who chose anything, but Jesus who chose me. And, no, my heart is still with Christ’s church.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/28/2014 8:01:42 PM PDT · 710 of 740
    Jvette to Springfield Reformer

    *****Transubstantiation did not appear historically*****

    It was articulated but the concept existed. Jesus said it was a hard thing to hear. It is also a hard thing to explain. That is why we walk by faith and not by sight.

    *****Anyway, without getting into all that, the point is, the doctrines that divide us are not simply disputes about specific passages in Scripture. They are disputes about whether certain later doctrinal developments NOT obvious from Scripture should have the power to bind the Christian conscience. To establish that level of authority, the Roman Catholic apologist must first establish these extra-Biblical traditions as having authority equal to Scripture. Then these traditions can become the source of almost any novel doctrine, no matter how alien to the original text.****

    In a way, our disputes are about specific passages in Scripture. These doctrinal developments come from debate over the nature of Jesus, the Good News and Scripture itself. In all these debates, it was the Church who settled the issue. I can’t list all the heresies, they are a matter of record, but when they came, the final authority rested with the Church weighing Tradition and Scripture to proclaim what was True.

    Is Jesus God, truly God? The same God as God the Father? Was Jesus human, truly human? Is the Holy Spirit God? Did Jesus truly die? If so, did God die? Did God raise Jesus, or did He raise Himself? Is baptism necessary? Should children/infants be baptized? Do we keep the Sabbath or celebrate the Lord’s Day? Did Jesus bodily rise from the dead? What is the structure of the Church? What sacred writings are actually Scripture? Why these and not others?

    We find very different answers to all of these questions. Some are Truth, some are heresy; all with claims to be derived from Scripture. Which are Truth? Which are heresy?

    Scripture tells us that there are those who wrest its words to suit themselves, to their own destruction and the destruction of others? In that statement alone, Scripture is telling us that we need to have a sure guide to what the Truth is that Scripture is telling us.

    Oral Tradition has been established as equal to Scripture and the matter is settled in the mind of Catholics. The Church, the bulwark and pillar of Truth, has spoken. The Church is not the Truth, but the one who supports, defends and preserves It.

    There are no novel doctrines. No doctrines alien to the Truth. There is nothing the Church teaches that contradicts Jesus or the written word. I know that not everyone believes that, but it is what I believe and I have come to that belief through study and prayer and not by being brainwashed or bullied into it.

    ******2Pe 1:16-21 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. (17) For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (18) And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. (19) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: (20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. ******

    I appreciate what you are trying to say here but I reiterate what I said previously. Here Peter is doing exactly what the Church does. He is teaching here and promising that what he is saying is true. Not because Scripture prophesied Jesus, but because Jesus fulfilled what was prophesied. It again a matter of authority and by whose authority Peter preaches.

    *****Not really. Not if you accept some of the recent dating for various papyri, in particular the Magdalen Papayrus, a fragment of Matthew (in Greek BTW) which some scholars believe is a mid-First Century product.*****

    It does not negate my point to show that very early on there were writings of the Apostles. We don’t know how early and how much these writings were copied and shared. Also, which were considered Scripture? We know that Peter recognized that some things Paul wrote were scripture, but we don’t know of which ones he was speaking. And, then of course, it all comes back to who determined what was Scripture.

    I have to quit here for now but will try to resume tomorrow.

    Thank you for the time you took to respond. It is appreciated.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/28/2014 6:51:32 PM PDT · 709 of 740
    Jvette to Elsie

    ****My grandmother used to tell me that if I was merely half as smart as I thought I was, I would be a genius.****

    That was snark.

    *****Well, the trouble with our (protestant) friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.*****

    Also, snark, meant to imply that so much of what protestants think about Catholicism is wrong.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/27/2014 8:05:57 PM PDT · 702 of 740
    Jvette to Elsie; Springfield Reformer

    Please read anything Springfield Reformer has written to me for an example of a sincere and thoughtful response.

    Unlike so many here, he will have a conversation that is respectful, even if he disagrees.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/27/2014 8:03:22 PM PDT · 701 of 740
    Jvette to Elsie

    You made the claim.

    Now cite one post in which I have implied that protestants are incapable of intelligent thought or the ability to discern the truth for themselves.

    I said that I did not and I have not.

    So, instead of giving a sigh, back up the claim.

  • "Orans" Posture and Hand-Holding During the Our Father -- Two Liturgical Abuses at Once

    05/27/2014 7:59:44 PM PDT · 700 of 740
    Jvette to Elsie

    That wasn’t snark.

    While looking up indulgences, look up snark as well.

    (hint...the above sentence is snark)