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  • Terri's Day challenges the nation to unify

    04/07/2006 8:43:26 AM PDT · 1,754 of 3,744
    KDubRN to floriduh voter

    Florida is going to put directives on Drivers Licenses. By doing so, it will take longer to get your DL here and they will have to hire more people so now the DEATH CULT is reaching right into Floridians' wallets.


    No longer an organ donor. Refuse advance directives. Refuse a living will. My medical DPOA's, 3 of them, must agree in total.

  • Terri's Day challenges the nation to unify

    04/07/2006 8:40:23 AM PDT · 1,753 of 3,744
    KDubRN to Wampus SC

    Yeah, globalists. It isn't about Democrats and Republicans or liberals and conservatives. Globalists are who we should watch. Everything they do is to chip away at sovereignty of the country, with such things as CAFTA and FTAA.


    And George Soros and his right to die projects.

  • Terri's Day challenges the nation to unify

    04/07/2006 8:33:01 AM PDT · 1,752 of 3,744
    KDubRN to Pepper777

    ** Terri's Law was in effect at the time and she was essentially under his control until everyone got scared. **

    It's a crying shame that Terri's Law was over-turned. Terri's Law should have rescued Terri from michael's control for good, but for some reason it did not.

    Jeb should never have allowed Terri to be returned to that hospice after her feeding tube was put back in, in 2003. She was not terminal, so why was she returned to the hospice? Hopefully I'm not mixed up on the chain of events.


    To go back before Terri's law, Terri was grandfathered into the state statute changes involving PVS, life prolonging medical treatment, and terminal illness re: PVS.
    That was a travesty.

  • Terri's Day challenges the nation to unify

    04/07/2006 8:29:41 AM PDT · 1,751 of 3,744
    KDubRN to bjs1779

    I think Jeb wanted to stop it,

    FYI........I was not the one who posted the above.

  • Terri's Day challenges the nation to unify

    04/07/2006 8:27:30 AM PDT · 1,750 of 3,744
    KDubRN to bjs1779

    Read this for a better understanding as to how deeply the mindset is within this country.

    http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/032906AssistedSuicide.html

  • Terri's Day challenges the nation to unify

    03/31/2006 5:16:20 PM PST · 1,409 of 3,744
    KDubRN to Defiant

    I think Jeb wanted to stop it, but when his brother the President backed off, and when he got stabbed in the back by the Florida Senate (GOP majority), I think he didn't have a lot of choice. It would certainly have been a lot harder for him to do something and justify it legally, and so I blame him a lot less than W.



    There has been several series of events over the past decade which created the perfect environment. Lawton Chiles was GOV at the time.

    Personally, I do not believe they knew initially why they seemed hog tied at every turn. Some of Florida's legislators may not get it yet.

    Read this. This will explain much of the problem. The minds is the biggest factor.

    http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/032906AssistedSuicide.html
    The Mergers, The Money, The Minds Behind Assisted Suicide
    By Karen Ward, RN
    Rita Marker, a lawyer out of Steubenville, Ohio, has researched and written extensively about the foundations who fund the right to die groups pushing euthanasia and physician assisted suicide in the United States. Rita states that private foundations are the critical players in promoting societal changes. They also supply the money for the studies used in advancing an ideology. This is fact. Just follow the money trail.

  • Afghans Protest Pakistan After Bombing

    01/18/2006 7:00:56 PM PST · 8 of 10
    KDubRN to ClaireSolt

    Good show. I have been thinking we should stage protests against Pakistan, too to let them know we are sick of them harboring terrorists.


    Find a number or email and we can spar with them.

  • Swing Time: Anthony Kennedy is the new Sandra Day O'Connor.

    01/18/2006 6:41:26 PM PST · 42 of 43
    KDubRN to Vaquero; All

    "waiting for Stevens to retire...one way or the other.
    at 85; I expect GWB to be looking for a replacement within the next three years..."


    "He may take a dirt nap soon enough."

    What about the dread Ginsburg? I heard she is not well.


    I remember reading some time back, before O'Connor announced her retirement, that there were 3 possible SC openings for GW. O'Connor was a given due to illness, likewise Rehnquist. Does anybody remember the third person?

  • Afghans Protest Pakistan After Bombing

    01/18/2006 6:26:44 PM PST · 6 of 10
    KDubRN to icwhatudo

    Strange how things like this (as well as the huge Pro-American protests a while back in South Korea) never seem to get much play in the MSM. Yes they get mentioned, but if it was 100 anti-US protestors it would be all over CNN.

    I did not hear anything about this.
    Speaking of which, my resolution for the new year is to pester the MSM on their bias.

  • American Nurses Association Statement on the Terri Schiavo Case

    03/28/2005 4:46:51 PM PST · 54 of 130
    KDubRN to ZGuy

    Is the ANA to nurses what the ALA is to librarians -- A liberal mouthpiece that doesn't necessarily reflect the views of its members?

    yes

  • Congressman Introduces Bill Proposing Schindler Recourse to Federal Court

    03/06/2005 9:11:57 PM PST · 73 of 86
    KDubRN to Froggie; All

    The problem with that arguement is that what is happenning is not extermination or execution. The medical ethicists and legal scholars have created the framework for allowing the next-of-kin and guardians to make medical decisions when necessary. The courts have ruled that this is what is taking place here and withdrawing artificial alimentation is acceptable - NOT MURDER, NOT EXECUTION NOR EXTERMINATION.
    If your thinking were to be the legal ruling here, no family could ever withold life extending treatment no matter how futile. I hope for your sake you and your family never have to wrestle with this - I have worked with many families who have had to make this choice and none have taken it lightly - and I'm sure would argue with your assigning motives to the next-of-kin that you so readily assign to Teri's husband.
    The courts have spoken -- her "life" ended when she sustained her injury -- the husband determined what therapy he wanted for her and now wants to withold...prolonging this travesty will be of no benefit.

    You are partially correct.
    Medicine has very few medical ethicists. This is a major problem, and why I believe we have such divisiveness on ethical issues. Most bioethicists are lawyers, or in other fields with degrees in something or another, but not often medicine.

    Who has created this framework is debatable. Certainly the right to die groups, and there are many, have heavily lobbied legislatures across this country with some success. Else we would not see laws on the books redefining medical entities, defining what constitutes life support, or the new word, extraordinary life support. In Terri's case, feeding tubes are now defined as life support in the state of Florida. Courtesy of the legislature.

    Couple with this, a judge who expands the medical definition of PVS at the bench. Question is, did he apply the medical definition or the state definition? Regardless how one attempts to justify the withholding of nutrition and hydration, this act is morally repugnant to many of us in the profession. You can call it what you like, we have our own words for it.

    You use the word futile in your comments. That word is also a new, trendy word. Funny though, medical professionals are not the ones who introduced it to the public.

    We all have experiences in working with patients' families deciding what care is appropriate and when to stop. The problem, and it is not a common problem, is when families disagree and are unable to resolve their differences. I am not talking about those whose physicians make the call without family input, or those whose physicians make the call against the families wishes. These situations occur across the nation and on a routine basis. But that is another issue.

    Yes, the courts have spoken. Do you feel comfortable knowing a judge can decide to end your life if there is conflict in your family? If you emphatically believe her life ended when she sustained her injury, then you know something we do not. Do you have first hand knowledge or have contact with Terri in order to make these comments?

    Since you give credence to the husband, I will not debate that point. What I will debate is the travesty to whom. And benefit to whom. Is this a travesty to Terri? It sure is, as she is directly affected by her brain injury. Is this a travesty to the husband? At one time, it was, however, he has accepted this and moved on with his life. This is fact.

    Is Terri a benefit? To her family she is a benefit. And this is all about Terri. She is the patient. She is the benefit versus burden issue. She is also a benefit if she lives, as she will bring comfort to her family, and possibly to herself. Is she a burden? She is only a burden to caregivers. The only financial burden is the cost of her feeding. If she is housed in a care facility, there is certainly cost involved. Does that cost outweigh the fact of life?

    Unfortunately, not all has moral clarity on life and death issues. If we arbitrarily begin euthansizing people who are deemed a burden by some, we end up practicing medicine without ethics. Medicine without ethics is Dr Mengele territory. There are some lines of morality we cannot cross without suffering the consequences.

    We are at the line.

  • Pinellas judge extends stay, DCF jumps into Schiavo case

    02/23/2005 7:44:26 PM PST · 205 of 227
    KDubRN to My Favorite Headache; All

    There is little media attention to this bill currently in our legislature. Please help us get the word out for Floridians to call or email their representatives in support and to co-sponsor HB 701, Withdrawing Nutrition and Hydration.

    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HB 701,
    THE FLORIDA STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES PREVENTION ACT

    QUESTIONS:

    1. What can be done now that the Florida Supreme Court has struck down “Terri’s Law” under which Governor Jeb Bush directed that she be given food and fluids?

    2. What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?

    3. Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?

    4. Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?

    5. Some legislators say that since the Florida Supreme Court said denying Terri her food and fluids was a “final judgment”, and the legislature can't overturn a final judgment, nothing can be done.

    1. What can be done now that the Florida Supreme Court has struck down “Terri’s Law” under which Governor Jeb Bush directed that she be given food and fluids?

    On September 23, 2004, the Florida Supreme upheld Michael Schiavo’s challenge to the constitutionality of “Terri’s Law” which allowed Governor Jeb Bush to intervene and order that Terri Schindler-Schiavo be given food and fluids. The court held that it violates the “separation of powers” doctrine under the Florida Constitution, allegedly invading the province of the judiciary by allowing the Governor and the legislature to direct the outcome of a specific pending case. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal.

    Consequently, Terri Schindler-Schiavo’s life is again in danger. What then can be done?

    A bill that alters Florida law to create a general presumption for food and fluids for those who cannot speak for themselves would not face the separation of powers challenge. HB701 {click here for text} has been introduced by Representative Dennis Baxley. Such a bill has been drafted precisely to fit with controlling Florida Supreme Court opinions. It is carefully written to cover Terri’s circumstances. It would also bring protection in the uncounted number of unpublicized cases in which persons with disabilities similar to (and, in many cases, less severe than) those of Terri Schindler-Schiavo are routinely denied food and fluids in nursing homes, hospices, and hospitals.

    2. What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?

    In Guardianship of Browning, 568 So. 2d. 4 (1990), the Florida Supreme Court held that under the Florida Constitution a guardian, acting as a surrogate decisionmaker, must be permitted to make a decision to reject feeding through a tube for a patient who is not presently capable of making health care decisions and who has an incurable condition – even if the patient is neither terminal nor in a “persistent vegetative state.” However, the guardian must base such a decision on “clear and convincing” evidence of what the patient wanted. The Court specifically recognized that reliance on oral statements does not have the same presumption of clear and convincing evidence as written declarations. It stated that “the evidence of the patient’s oral declarations [must be] reliable.”

    In creating a presumption that an incompetent person would have wanted nutrition and hydration, the proposed bill provides that the presumption is overcome if the patient executed a valid written declaration (such as a living will) specifically rejecting nutrition and hydration in the applicable circumstances. It also allows the presumption to be overcome if “There is clear and convincing evidence that the incompetent person, when competent, gave express and informed consent to withdrawing or withholding nutrition or hydration in the applicable circumstances.” This conforms to the standard mandated by the Florida Supreme Court, but takes steps statutorily to ensure that the evidence of the patient’s oral wishes is indeed “reliable.”

    That “reliability” is increased by ensuring that rather than a casual, thoughtless comment, what is required is evidence of a decision that truly constitutes “express and informed consent.” Based on a combination of elements of two Florida statutory definitions of informed consent, the bill provides, “‘Express and informed consent’ means consent voluntarily given with sufficient knowledge of the subject matter involved to enable the person giving consent to make a knowing and understanding decision without any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, or other form of constraint or coercion. Sufficient knowledge of the subject matter involved includes a general understanding of: (a) The proposed treatment or procedure for which consent is sought; (b) The medical condition of the person for whom consent for the proposed treatment is sought; ( c ) Any medically acceptable alternative treatment or procedure; and (d) The substantial risks and hazards inherent if the proposed treatment or procedure is carried out and if the proposed treatment or procedure is not carried out.”

    This is the critical core of the bill’s protections. In a manner that comports with the parameters set forth by the Florida Supreme Court, it assures that when there is no legal document specifying the person’s wishes, only a statement based on a fully informed decision can be interpreted as “clear and convincing evidence” of an intent to reject nutrition and hydration.

    3. Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?

    Any bill that hopes to survive Florida court constitutional scrutiny, based on the existing precedents, must allow for “clear and convincing evidence” that a presently incompetent individual wanted to forego nutrition and hydration, even when the person never executed a legal document specifying his or her wishes. However, in order to ensure the reliability of such evidence, a factor whose importance is acknowledged by Florida Supreme Court precedent, the bill requires that to meet the “clear and convincing evidence” standard, it must be shown that the person gave “express and informed consent” to rejecting nutrition and hydration. As noted above, there is a strict standard for what constitutes truly informed consent. The casual and indefinite statements which Michael Schiavo claimed (and the courts accepted) had been made by Teresa Schindler-Schiavo could not plausibly be said to have been made with a knowledge of the medical condition in which she now finds herself that was sufficient “to make a knowing and understanding decision” based on the “substantial risks and hazards inherent if the proposed treatment or procedure is carried out and if the proposed treatment or procedure is not carried out.” Consequently, the presumption the bill creates for the provision of nutrition and hydration would apply to her. See 10/27/2003 column by Wesley Smith, “The Consequences of Casual Conversations.”

    4. Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?

    The presumption for nutrition and hydration does not apply when it is medically impossible to provide it, when its provision would actually hasten death (as might be the case, for example, in some cases of kidney failure), or when the medical condition of the person is such that provision of nutrition or hydration would not contribute to sustaining the incompetent person’s life or provide comfort to the incompetent person (as may sometimes occur, for example, in the final stages of the dying process when death is imminent). To safeguard against abuses of these circumstances, the bill defines an objective standard for the “reasonable medical judgment” required to establish their existence.

    5. Some legislators say that since the Florida Supreme Court said denying Terri her food and fluids was a “final judgment”, and the legislature can’t overturn a final judgment, nothing can be done.

    In a number of states, legislatures have passed laws allowing inmates on death row to use new DNA evidence to prove their innocence – even though there have been “final judgments” condemning them to death. These are constitutional because even if the legislature can’t overturn a past final judgment of a court, it can pass a law that changes the future effect of a court order that means someone’s death – as long as the person is still alive when the bill is enacted.

    "For legal memorandum explaining this point, click here."

    FRTL also has a petition for download or printing on prevention of starvation and dehydration.

    http://www.frtl.org/petition/Starvation&Dehydration.pdf

    You can print this out, garner signatures from friends and neighbors, then send or fax to FRTL. Address on petition.

    http://www.frtl.org/

    This bill is for all incapacitated Floridians and all who potentially become incapacitated.

    Save a life. Prevent state spomsored euthanasia.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/23/2005 11:15:26 AM PST · 3,076 of 4,798
    KDubRN to tutstar; All

    This goes to FL lawmakers directly.

    http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=AL05B03

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/23/2005 10:14:44 AM PST · 3,022 of 4,798
    KDubRN to FR_addict

    We have a presentation for lawmakers if you want it for the fed level. Some have already received it.
    Lots of medical issues and ethics, evolution of ethics, funding of hemlock, name changes, etc. We put it together a year ago to educate lawmakers.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/23/2005 10:10:55 AM PST · 3,017 of 4,798
    KDubRN to tutstar

    I called our local representatives and talked about a law to do this, and they almost laughed at me.
    Seriously, that's pathetic!! Public servants huh? Well they need to realize that we're going to remember who they were come the next election and we'll blog and we'll call and they will "earn" the salary they collect thanks to the taxpayers of Florida!! Be sure to call Stan Jordan, he's one of the good guys!


    Keep contacting Fl Senate reps to co-sponsor and support HB 701.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/23/2005 10:05:54 AM PST · 3,015 of 4,798
    KDubRN to floriduh voter; All

    Bill 701 is still being fine tuned which would prevent anyone's feeding tube and hydration from being withheld who didn't have a written directive. THE FLA LEGISLATURE DOESN'T MEET IN SESSION UNTIL MARCH 8th.

    That bill has been sent to committees. Contact your reps and tell them to co-sponsor and support it.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/23/2005 10:00:21 AM PST · 3,009 of 4,798
    KDubRN to floriduh voter; All

    Jeb Bush is back to Tallahassee from South America today. If we get bad news on or before 5:00 pm est, WE NEED TO START CALLING GOV. BUSH, THE FLA HOUSE AND THE FLA SENATE AGAIN. And, email: ASKDOJ@usdoj.gov to complain that Florida is murdering an innocent woman for her husband by using activist judges.

    I WILL NOT BE ON LINE AT ALL this afternoon. I WILL BE AT HOSPICE WOODSIDE. Be sure you stay tuned. Thanks, FV

    You should have been calling and emailing the FL Senate on HB 701 since the end of January.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/23/2005 9:54:16 AM PST · 2,997 of 4,798
    KDubRN to mtbopfuyn

    I'm amazed and disgusted at the ignorance of so many people. I was trying once again to explain Terri's condition at work yesterday yet every last one of the adults never could get off the PVS or coma or brain dead hoopla. There is hope because the teens I taught last year still ask me about Terri and are concerned. I was discussing it with one of them yesterday after school and several came up to hear the news. Teens can be airheads about many things, but they are not closed minded and cold hearted as adults apparently are.

    I suggest you print out the Florida starvation and dehydration of persons with disabilities prevention act petition and have those kids sign it, then send it or fax it to FRTL, as they are capturing these for the FL senate

  • Schiavo's brother seeks to educate at campus rally

    02/23/2005 9:46:38 AM PST · 162 of 180
    KDubRN to jonlane

    in the case of zero brain activity, you are correct. However, in many cases of injury or blood loss to the brain, the medulla, which controls respiration, heart rate, and other basal, non-voluntary functions, is left intact, while the cerebral cortex, which is where we think, can be completely destroyed. The reason is a difference in the path of blood flow and a longer survival time of the medulla tissue in the absence of blood. Basically, the medulla is the major priority, as it is also the last to go during excessive alcohol intake.

    PVS is characterized as someone who has a completely non-functioning, destroyed cerebral cortex, but a functioning medulla, and perhaps cerebellum, which takes care of balance, and something else i cant remember. Other bodily functions, such as digestion, control of body temperature, etc, are largely controlled by hormones.

    So, someone in this state can theoretically be a 100% unconsious, but be able to live indefinitely with a continuous source of nutrients and water.


    Zero brain activity is simply that; no brain activity, a flat EEG. Organs and physiological functions can still occur due to the brain stem, if that portion is intact.

    Medulla:
    Function:
    Controls Autonomic Functions
    Relays Nerve Signals Between the Brain and Spinal Cord

    The medulla oblongata is the lower portion of the brainstem. It is inferior to the pons and anterior to the cerebellum.

    Brainstem:
    Function:

    Alertness

    Arousal

    Breathing

    Blood Pressure

    Contains Most of the Crainal Nerves

    Digestion

    Heart Rate

    Other Autonomic Functions

    Relays Information Between the Peripheral Nerves and Spinal Cord to the Upper Parts of the Brain

    What is Coma and Persistent Vegetative State?
    A coma is a profound or deep state of unconsciousness. An individual in a state of coma is alive but unable to move or respond to his or her environment. Coma may occur as a complication of an underlying illness, or as a result of injuries, such as head trauma.

    A persistent vegetative state (commonly, but incorrectly, referred to as "brain-death") sometimes follows a coma. Individuals in such a state have lost their thinking abilities and awareness of their surroundings, but retain non-cognitive function and normal sleep patterns. Even though those in a persistent vegetative state lose their higher brain functions, other key functions such as breathing and circulation remain relatively intact. Spontaneous movements may occur, and the eyes may open in response to external stimuli. They may even occasionally grimace, cry, or laugh. Although individuals in a persistent vegetative state may appear somewhat normal, they do not speak and they are unable to respond to commands.

    What is the prognosis?


    The outcome for coma and persistent vegetative state depends on the cause, severity, and site of neurological damage. Individuals may emerge from coma with a combination of physical, intellectual, and psychological difficulties that need special attention. Recovery usually occurs gradually, with some acquiring more and more ability to respond. Some individuals never progress beyond very basic responses, but many recover full awareness. Individuals recovering from coma require close medical supervision. A coma rarely lasts more than 2 to 4 weeks. Some patients may regain a degree of awareness after persistent vegetative state. Others may remain in that state for years or even decades. The most common cause of death for someone in a persistent vegetative state is infection, such as pneumonia.

    http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/coma/coma.htm

  • Schiavo's brother seeks to educate at campus rally

    02/23/2005 9:29:45 AM PST · 161 of 180
    KDubRN to AnimalLover

    Question:

    If a person is brain dead, wouldn't that person have to be
    on total life support? The brain would be unable to
    keep the organs functioning?


    No and no

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/23/2005 9:15:07 AM PST · 2,950 of 4,798
    KDubRN to MarMema; All

    I have emailed both Wesley Smith and Bob Marshall and asked them the same question. I think Bob Marshall said we have to outlaw dehydration deaths. I called our local representatives and talked about a law to do this, and they almost laughed at me.

    That's what scares me, it is entrenched now. It's really only up to God now.

    HB 701 is a step in the right direction. One sweeping bill to change what has happened over the past 15 years is not feasible at this time.
    Contact Florida lawmakers, esp if you live in Florida, and make your voice heard.
    HB 701 is for all incapacitated persons.
    I cannot understand why some of you folks have not moved on this.

  • Terri Schiavo - Won't Someone Help?

    02/22/2005 10:50:36 PM PST · 213 of 245
    KDubRN to Heisenberg; All

    Floridians to call their representatives in support of HB 701, Withdrawing Nutrition and Hydration.


    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HB 701,
    THE FLORIDA STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES PREVENTION ACT

    QUESTIONS:

    1. What can be done now that the Florida Supreme Court has struck down “Terri’s Law” under which Governor Jeb Bush directed that she be given food and fluids?

    2. What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?

    3. Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?

    4. Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?

    5. Some legislators say that since the Florida Supreme Court said denying Terri her food and fluids was a “final judgment”, and the legislature can’t overturn a final judgment, nothing can be done.

    FRTL also has a petition for download on prevention of starvation and dehydration.

    http://www.frtl.org/petition/Starvation&Dehydration.pdf

    http://www.frtl.org/

  • Feeding Tube To Remain. Judge Issues Stay.[Terri Schiavo]

    02/22/2005 10:48:36 PM PST · 313 of 574
    KDubRN to Heisenberg; All

    Floridians to call their representatives in support of HB 701, Withdrawing Nutrition and Hydration.


    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HB 701,
    THE FLORIDA STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES PREVENTION ACT

    QUESTIONS:

    1. What can be done now that the Florida Supreme Court has struck down “Terri’s Law” under which Governor Jeb Bush directed that she be given food and fluids?

    2. What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?

    3. Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?

    4. Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?

    5. Some legislators say that since the Florida Supreme Court said denying Terri her food and fluids was a “final judgment”, and the legislature can’t overturn a final judgment, nothing can be done.

    FRTL also has a petition for download on prevention of starvation and dehydration.

    http://www.frtl.org/petition/Starvation&Dehydration.pdf

    http://www.frtl.org/

  • Emergency Stay Issued in Right-To-Die Case (Terri Sciavo)

    02/22/2005 10:47:36 PM PST · 31 of 35
    KDubRN to Deo volente; All

    Floridians to call their representatives in support of HB 701, Withdrawing Nutrition and Hydration.


    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HB 701,
    THE FLORIDA STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES PREVENTION ACT

    QUESTIONS:

    1. What can be done now that the Florida Supreme Court has struck down “Terri’s Law” under which Governor Jeb Bush directed that she be given food and fluids?

    2. What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?

    3. Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?

    4. Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?

    5. Some legislators say that since the Florida Supreme Court said denying Terri her food and fluids was a “final judgment”, and the legislature can’t overturn a final judgment, nothing can be done.

    FRTL also has a petition for download on prevention of starvation and dehydration.

    http://www.frtl.org/petition/Starvation&Dehydration.pdf

    http://www.frtl.org/

  • Schiavo's brother seeks to educate at campus rally

    02/22/2005 10:46:37 PM PST · 110 of 180
    KDubRN to BykrBayb

    Floridians to call their representatives in support of HB 701, Withdrawing Nutrition and Hydration.


    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HB 701,
    THE FLORIDA STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES PREVENTION ACT

    QUESTIONS:

    1. What can be done now that the Florida Supreme Court has struck down “Terri’s Law” under which Governor Jeb Bush directed that she be given food and fluids?

    2. What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?

    3. Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?

    4. Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?

    5. Some legislators say that since the Florida Supreme Court said denying Terri her food and fluids was a “final judgment”, and the legislature can’t overturn a final judgment, nothing can be done.

    FRTL also has a petition for download on prevention of starvation and dehydration.

    http://www.frtl.org/petition/Starvation&Dehydration.pdf

    http://www.frtl.org/

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/22/2005 10:45:36 PM PST · 2,856 of 4,798
    KDubRN to Sun; All

    Floridians to call their representatives in support of HB 701, Withdrawing Nutrition and Hydration.


    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HB 701,
    THE FLORIDA STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES PREVENTION ACT

    QUESTIONS:

    1. What can be done now that the Florida Supreme Court has struck down “Terri’s Law” under which Governor Jeb Bush directed that she be given food and fluids?

    2. What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?

    3. Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?

    4. Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?

    5. Some legislators say that since the Florida Supreme Court said denying Terri her food and fluids was a “final judgment”, and the legislature can’t overturn a final judgment, nothing can be done.

    FRTL also has a petition for download on prevention of starvation and dehydration.

    http://www.frtl.org/petition/Starvation&Dehydration.pdf

    http://www.frtl.org/

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/09/2005 7:02:05 PM PST · 884 of 4,798
    KDubRN to Wampus SC

    " As stated previously, this is the only bill filed. There will be no other chances. This bill may not be tailored to Terri Schiavo, but there are no others addressing withdrawal of nurtition and hydration.

    There will be others. That's why it's so important for things not to go wrong with this legislation.

    You miss my point, Wampus. Terri's options are nearly exhausted. If this bill is not supported by Floridians, the lawmakers will not give it consideration. Session ends. No new bill till next year. By then, it is too late.
    Florida has a part time legislature.

    I have seen some internet blogs opposed to Terri's right to live claiming this bill as Terri's bill II. It is not. This is a bill for all Floridians.

    Many lawmakers do not want anything to do with a bill that has Terri's name attached. We spent months talking to these reps.

    We must remember that we are supporting the Bill to protect all incapacitated persons. There are many legislators that will stand in the way of any bill that they think is for Terri and some are still smarting after Terri's Law. We know that we are trying to save Terri, but it would be best if we leave Terri's name out of our letters and calls to the legislators. Tell your reps things like: I want you to support HB 107 to protect incapacitated people.

    This issue is way larger than Terri.

    Florida folks need to PHONE, E-MAIL and FAX members of the Florida House and Florida Senate in support of this bill, 701. And do it repeatedly.

    As a final note, the law defining PVS in this state and ethics committees have been in place for years. This bill will not change these issues, nor can we expect it to. That must come from the professions involved. The goal is to protect the incapacitated, such as Terri.

    Anybody who thinks they can make demands for major changes of this bill at this juncture, or tweak it for Terri, is not looking realistically at the problems we currently have, how we arrived here, and who and what can be done for change.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/08/2005 5:43:45 AM PST · 692 of 4,798
    KDubRN to Wampus SC

    "Ooops. I could kick myself. Maybe I spoke too soon re: HB701. It apparently has a horrible provision for PVS patients. It leaves the decision making upon ethics committees or the Florida Bioethics Network, i.e. Ken Goodman, etc. in the meantime do not voice support for HB701. Right now legal, medical, and disability advocates are working on sorting this out. Please forgive me."

    A committee making these decisions!!! Lord help us all.

    A while back, several of Terri's Friends were called paranoid tinfoil hat wearing loonies for suggesting that these decisions might ever be made by some committee of bureaucrats. Or for suggesting that some legislator might propose such a thing. Yet here it is. Sometimes those tinfoil loonies are just the ones who are best at spotting a trend.


    As for the medical ethics portion, if you are not a medical professional, you may not be aware there are ethics committees in hospitals, acute care centers, long term care, and most health facilities. These committees generally mediate conflicts within a family, guide those with relatives not expected to live, assist with organ procurement, donation, and other such issues. One major activity which has been repeatedly reported within medicine is that they frequently encourage relatives to discontinue life support if that patient is declared "futile" by the physician, and many health care facilities in this country have instituted Futile Care Policies. Having a medical ethics committee which helps to identify these patients and makes a determination such as this is nothing new.

    I sent an email around last year asking people to contact their local hospitals and ask them for a copy of their futile care policy. Many facilities admit they have one, getting a copy is another matter. These committees have been making these decisions. Some states farther along in the process than others.

    As stated previously, this is the only bill filed. There will be no other chances. This bill may not be tailored to Terri Schiavo, but there are no others addressing withdrawal of nurtition and hydration.

    The trend is the push towards PAS and euthanasia. Several states' legislatures had or have bills pending on this currently.

    In the state of Florida, the right to die agenda is very ensconced as a mainstream view. Florida is not the only state. Policies are woven around the right to die agenda, politicians are not educated to the facts and issues, nor are the general public. Right to die activists hold state job positions which creates the ability for them to affect public policy. And they have been successful, as we have been asleep at the wheel.

    You can call RTL and have your questions answered, wait until somebody answers your questions, but be aware, this is not a Terri Schiavo bill. This is a bill to protect all people in this state.
    Read the bill from that context. But read the bill.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

    02/07/2005 9:34:53 PM PST · 678 of 4,798
    KDubRN to amdgmary; All

    At first glance, House Bill 701 looks like it will help incapacitated people who are in danger of being starved and dehydrated to death. The title of section 765.601 is "Starvation and Dehydration of Persons with Disabilities Prevention Act." But the bill states that a medical ethics committee helps to determine whether or not an incapacitated person is to be starved to death.

    Section 765.404(2) of the bill states, "The guardian and the person's attending physician, in consultation with the medical ethics committee of the facility where the patient is located, conclude that the condition (persistant vegetative state) is permanent....and that withholding or withdrawing life-prolonging procedures is in the best interest of the patient. [T]he facility must have an arrangement with the medical ethics committee of another facility or with a community based ethics committee approved by the Florida Bioethics Network. The ethics committee shall review the case with the guardian...."

    http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File=hb0701.html&Directory=session/2005/House/bills/billtext/html/

    This is what I know about HB 701. This bill had input from some disability groups, along with RTL. This is a bill on withdrawal of nutrition and hydration.

    It seems that some people are getting hung up on the section that relates to PVS and feel that this could make it easier to kill Terri. That section (7) concerning PVS is only if no family or friends are available or willing to serve as proxy for health care decision; then, the steps outlined may be applied to the decision making process.
    But, family, friends, etc, must abide by the presumption that the incapacitated person wants nutrition and hydration unless there is:
    (1) express and informed consent,
    (2) there is written advanced directives or designation of a health care surrogate
    (3) there is clear and convincing evidence that the incompetent person, when competent, gave express and informed consent to the withdrawal of nutrition/hydration in the applicable circumstances.

    This bill also addresses the concerns that people had with the Bill last year, specifically self determination and minors.
    Read the bill, please.

    The PVS is better addressed by the medical community who have clout and lobbyists in place. That is their area of expertise. And they have been contacted.
    Calling your reps and speaking with them about your concerns is the best course. At least they know people are aware, concerned, and are taking an interest.

    Amendments can be made, and surely will.
    Don't defeat the purpose of the bill.

    You will not get a bill out of this state tailor made for Terri. This bill is for all incapacitated persons. Look at it in context.

    If this bill fails, there are no others on the table, and there are no more legislative sessions to file anymore. This is the last chance she has.

    Regardless what action, or inaction you choose, read the bill and apply it to all incapacitated people.

    If you have questions or concerns, I direct you to the RTL who drew this up. Their lawyers have been involved as well. They can answer your questions far beter than I. I was just a minor player in the picture.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO JANUARY 2005 Dailies: News Digest, Restating the Obvious & Thank Yous...

    12/30/2004 9:10:24 PM PST · 126 of 2,219
    KDubRN to Theodore R.

    Also the fact that George W. Greer, Demers, and Douglas Baird are elected by wide margins by the FL electorate make them untouchable. FL people really have secular faith" in Geroge W. Greer, Baird, and Demers.

    Strictly RINO's

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO JANUARY 2005 Dailies: News Digest, Restating the Obvious & Thank Yous...

    12/30/2004 9:09:15 PM PST · 125 of 2,219
    KDubRN to Theodore R.

    Which brings me back to: Why do all these men, for the most part, WANT TO KILL AN INNOCENT WOMAN? What's in it for them? It is barbaric and nothing but blood lust.


    I think it is raw judicial power and little else motivating George W. Greer, Demers, and Douglas Baird, all of whom are apparently "Republicans." This is the kind of raw power that Jefferson feared in 1801.


    That too. This judicial actvism has to stop. And we are the ones who have to make it stop.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DECEMBER, 2004 DAILIES THREAD: NEWS DIGEST & GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM

    12/30/2004 9:07:19 PM PST · 420 of 443
    KDubRN to floriduh voter

    A poster said that this was a conservative web site and I addressed their view that this wasn't a conservative issue. LIfe is a conservative concern since conservatives are supposed to be pro-life, EXCEPT FOR JUDGE GREER and the sham Pinellas GOP Party who endorsed him. They endorsed FORCED EXIT.
    Please follow the entire thread to see in what context I am stating something.

    And, we have a JANUARY TERRI THREAD UP. Do a search for: Terri Schindler Schiavo January and you'll be at the new thread. Thanks, FV

    I scanned posts, so must have missed the gist of the communication between you and the other individual.
    I am catching up. I will get to January........

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DECEMBER, 2004 DAILIES THREAD: NEWS DIGEST & GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM

    12/30/2004 9:03:37 PM PST · 419 of 443
    KDubRN to floriduh voter

    You have personal knowledge that people are afraid of what their hospital might do to them for cost cutting measures or if a relative or guardian wants to bump them off? I wouldn't be surprised.

    Yes. Search futile care and non heart beating organ donation. Downright scary.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO JANUARY 2005 Dailies: News Digest, Restating the Obvious & Thank Yous...

    12/30/2004 6:44:22 AM PST · 98 of 2,219
    KDubRN to floriduh voter

    Which brings me back to: Why do all these men, for the most part, WANT TO KILL AN INNOCENT WOMAN? What's in it for them? It is barbaric and nothing but blood lust.

    It is a benefit versus burden, cost benefit analysis, appropriations issue. Money

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DECEMBER, 2004 DAILIES THREAD: NEWS DIGEST & GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM

    12/30/2004 5:24:59 AM PST · 416 of 443
    KDubRN to floriduh voter; All

    NUTRITION AND WATER ARE NOT MEDICAL TREATMENT.

    Exactly. So, contact the legislature and convince them, debate the issues, explain, and educate that nutrition and hydration are basic necessities of life needed by all in order to survive. Withholding nutrition and hydration is euthanasia.

    The law must be changed.

    And while you are at it, explain to them how their law has created the atmosphere of chaos in that people are fearful of going to hospital for treatment.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DECEMBER, 2004 DAILIES THREAD: NEWS DIGEST & GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM

    12/30/2004 5:14:57 AM PST · 415 of 443
    KDubRN to floriduh voter; All

    Liberty IS A CONSERVATIVE CONCERN.

    Liberty is a human concern. The state has immense raw power over an individual's life, liberty, and property. And nowhere else are our constitutional rights and freedoms under such relentless and subtle attack.

    Terri Schiavo, like you and I, have guaranteed rights and liberties and freedoms. The constitution and Bill of Rights provide these, unless we commit a crime.

    Terri's dilemma begins with Florida legislators changing the statutes, and continues with the judiciary interpreting the laws, instead of following the laws.

    The Natural Law has changed, and this by virtue of judicial tyranny.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO DECEMBER, 2004 DAILIES THREAD: NEWS DIGEST & GRASSROOTS ACTIVISM

    12/30/2004 4:59:32 AM PST · 414 of 443
    KDubRN to Drango

    Many, many conservatives don't think the state, church or courts should have any say in an end of life issue. Please don't presume to speak for all conservatives.

    The misconception many folks have with Terri's plight is that this is not an end of life issue. Terri is not dying, nor terminally ill.

    Physician assisted suicide was passed by the voters in Oregon by a narrow margin. Euthanasia proponents would like state sponsored euthanasia nationwide. This is the crux of this issue.

  • Hatch predicts Specter victory

    11/17/2004 12:45:10 PM PST · 53 of 57
    KDubRN to editor-surveyor

    We can't let this happen; come January, we have to increase the volume.


    Do it now, and keep the heat up.

    Here is a petition to sign.
    http://www.gopusa.com/activist/petitions/petition.php?petition=specter_chairman

    Liberty Counsel, Concerned Women for America, NRTL, and many other grassroots orgs are keeping the heat up.

    I sat last night and contacted every GOP rep we have. If you do not have the time, contact the judiciary committee members.

    Use short, punchy comments to grab their attention.

    http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/november/1117_specter_grassroots_efforts.shtml

  • Beware the ‘Lame Duck’ Congress

    11/17/2004 5:08:27 AM PST · 2 of 2
    KDubRN to RepCath

    And beware the 4 legislative nightmares targeted.

    National ID Card
    “9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act”-Senate bill S. 2845 and House bill H.R. 10.
    The national ID program has been put on a fast track to pass during the lame duck session.
    1) A national ID will not prevent terrorism in the United States.
    2) Furthermore, identity cards tell nothing about an individual’s intentions.
    3) Any form of identification can be counterfeited. Despite best efforts and anti-counterfeiting technology, the new $20 bill has been counterfeited.
    4) A national ID system would divert resources from more productive counter-terrorism measures. One estimate of the initial cost of such a program goes as high as $25 to $30 billion dollars, with another $3 billion to $6 billion per year to run it.
    5) A national ID would depend on a massive bureaucracy that would limit our basic freedoms.
    6) A national ID would both contribute to identity fraud and make it more difficult to remedy.
    7) A national ID could require all Americans to carry an internal passport at all times, compromising our privacy, limiting our freedom, and exposing us to unfair discrimination based on national origin or religion.
    8) Law enforcement, tax collectors, and other government agencies would want use of the data. Employers, landlords, insurers, credit agencies, mortgage brokers, direct mailers, private investigators, civil litigants, would also begin using the ID and even the database, further eroding the privacy that Americans rightly expect in their personal lives

    National Heritage Areas
    To read more on the dangers of Heritage Areas, go to: www.americanpolicy.org/prop/natl-landgrab.htm.

    These disastrous bills have passed the House and are currently awaiting action in the Senate. It is vital that property rights and limited government activists contact both of their Senators and tell them to vote NO on any and all National Heritage Area legislation. Each of the following Heritage Areas would be created in the state of the sponsoring Representative.

    - H.R. 280: The National Aviation Heritage Area -- sponsored by Rep. David Hobson (R-OH)

    - H.R. 1862: The Oil Region National Heritage Area -- sponsored by Rep. John Peterson (R-PA)

    - H.R. 1618: The Arabia Mountain National Heritage Area -- sponsored by Denise Majette (D-GA)

    - H.R. 1798: The Upper Housatonic Valley National Heritage Area -- sponsored by Rep. Nancy Johnson

    - H.R. 4492: “To extend the authorization for certain national heritage areas.” Proponents of Heritage Areas claim that federal funding and oversight is only temporary. As this bill shows, nothing could be further from the truth. H.R. 4492 would extend federal funding and oversight.

    - H.R. 4683: The Gullah/Geechee Cultural Heritage Corridor -- sponsored by Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-SC)

    - H.R. 3257: The Western Reserve Heritage Areas Study Act ? sponsored by Tim Ryan (D-OH)


    Rim of the Valley Land Grab
    The “Rim of the Valley Corridor Study Act” (S. 347) seeks to expand the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area by adding a corridor of all the mountains surrounding the San Fernando Valley, La Crescenta Valley, Santa Clarita Valley, Simi Valley and Conejo Valley in California.

    It has already passed the Senate
    You can see a map by going to www.landrights.org. This map was produced by the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy. They have deliberately tried to hide the full impact of S. 347 by how they have shaded the areas in the map. They call it a corridor but it actually surrounds huge swaths of land.
    S. 347 will put a circle of Park Service control around tens of thousands of landowners. Anyone familiar with how the Park Service works knows that is the beginning of ratcheting down the regulatory controls and land acquisition. They want it all eventually.

    The Rim of the Valley land grab would cost over $2 billion, making it the most expensive park in American history.

    Invasive Species
    If you have foreign weeds, grass, trees, or shrubs on your property (and you most certainly do) you’re in trouble. Under “Invasive Species” provisions currently sitting in the Senate’s version of the Federal Transportation Bill (S. 1072), your property could quickly become the target of radical environmentalists and bureaucrats.

    This nightmare all began when Bill Clinton signed Executive Order 13112 in 1999, creating an “Invasive Species Council” to monitor and control “alien species.” What are alien species? According to Clinton’s Order, “alien species means, with respect to a particular ecosystem, any species, including seeds, eggs, spores, or other biological material capable of propagating that species, that is not native to that ecosystem.”

    Think the Invasive Species monster can’t get any worse? It already has. In 2001, the Invasive Species Council issued a management plan that states: “Council member agencies will work with Global Invasive Species Programme (GISP) and other relevant bodies to expand opportunities to share information, technologies, and technical capacity on the control and management of invasive species with other countries, promoting environmentally sound control and management practices.”

    And just what is the Global Invasive Species Programme? A quick trip to the GISP website reveals it is:

    - The United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP)
    - The United Nations Environmental, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)
    - The Convention on Biological Diversity
    - The Nature Conservancy
    - The International Union for the Protection of Nature
    - DIVERSITAS: An International Programme of Biodiversity Science (another UNESCO project)

    Both the Senate and the House have already passed their respective versions of the Federal Transportation Bill, and are currently conferencing to put forth a single bill. Fortunately, the House version of the Federal Transportation Bill does not include any Invasive Species language. But the Senate version does.

    S. 1072 contains provisions that allow for government to control your land using Invasive Species policy. Specifically, it would give the Department of Interior the power to decide which plants, animals, fish, birds and insects are “invasive.” Once it’s discovered your property is home to an invasive species, the feds will have all the justification they need to oversee, manage, and regulate your property.




  • Hatch predicts Specter victory

    11/17/2004 4:42:18 AM PST · 29 of 57
    KDubRN to Cedar

    "I'd rather see plumbers, road flaggers and nurses' aides in Senate positions than these professional politicians."

    You said it!

    Little by little the RINOs will be removed.


    I sent an email last eve to every GOP Senator with the differences between a RINO and a moderate. Even the RINO's received them. Keep contacting that jud committee

  • Hatch predicts Specter victory

    11/17/2004 4:39:56 AM PST · 28 of 57
    KDubRN to Pastnowfuturealpha; All

    One comment from someone on Fox -

    No problem when a conservative is replaced with a conservative - but -

    What will be important is when a liberal is to be replaced on the S.C. - Will this guy hinder a conservative as a replacement - Changing the balance of power toward one side -

    Should find out before he gets the nod - in my opinion - Has anyone asked -


    Contact the Jud and frist with that question, please.

  • Hatch predicts Specter victory

    11/17/2004 4:38:44 AM PST · 27 of 57
    KDubRN to sissyjane; All

    I predicted this on another thread---

    Its standard Republican---let everyone sound off, let everyone think there might be hope---

    Then go back to the beginning and let the RINO IN!!


    There are times I hate being a Republican, and if this happens, it will be one of them!


    Keep contacting Frist and jud committee members. Do not give up. Send an email every day, short and punchy.

  • Arabs Enraged at U.S. Soldier Shooting Wounded Iraq

    11/17/2004 4:33:51 AM PST · 89 of 203
    KDubRN to I-spy-guy; All

    An anti war activist, embedded with US troops?

    How on earth did he get into that position?

    This is starting to look like a set-up to me.


    Yes, it is. When at war, people are killed, especially the enemy. Are we supposed to take all prisoners now, and not shoot? That would be the UN way.
    By the way, the UN is still pushing for internet control. They have 3 areas identified, and I can see where this is headed. Anybody have any ideas on the UN, email me, please.

  • That Awful Specter- some Arlen Specter links

    11/14/2004 8:57:15 PM PST · 8 of 11
    KDubRN to Elkiejg; All

    There are too may specter threads for this chick.
    However, I will post this info from Townhall.
    Not sure if it is the latest info.
    Please continue to call and email the GOP on Specter.

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20041113.shtml
    November 13, 2004

    The Senate Republican leadership is considering a two-year waiver to delay Sen. Orrin Hatch's removal as Judiciary Committee chairman because of term limits, thereby forestalling Sen. Arlen Specter's succession to the post.

    Specter has almost entirely backed down from his exuberant post-election comments warning President Bush that no foe of the Roe v. Wade abortion decision would be confirmed for the Supreme Court. Nevertheless, pro-life activists and other conservatives still suspect what course Specter would take as chairman and want to keep him out of that position.

    An argument for giving Hatch a waiver is the fact that while facing re-election in Utah in 2006, he would have no committee chairmanship or even a subcommittee chairmanship despite advanced seniority in the Senate. Although Hatch and Specter have had their differences in the past, Hatch has publicly supported Specter as his replacement.

    If anybody has any other ideas, please post.

  • Cuyahoga County Ohio - 93,000 extra votes?? (for Kerry) ??

    11/08/2004 9:03:47 PM PST · 74 of 154
    KDubRN to soccer_linux_mozilla

    Cuyahoga County, home of Congressman Kucinich, if these were actual votes cast, they probably went for Kerry.

    If anybody has a link to an Ohio newspaper, pass it on. Cuyahoga county includes the suburbs around, and minorities in Cleveland proper. If there are that many over votes, not a surprise at all. Isn't that the way the dems work? Take a perfectly good demo stronghold and corrupt it to hell.

  • Senator Arlen Specter PULLING WOOL OVER GOP

    11/08/2004 8:05:58 AM PST · 35 of 35
    KDubRN to Cicero; All

    He is a fence straddler. He has no loyalty. He would have the ability to determine the fate of the Supreme Court. His friends are Soros, Ickes, clinton and more. He cannot be trusted.
    HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE :: FLASHBACK: August 18, 2003 Will Specter Chair Judiciary? by Timothy P. Carney
    Specter had approved of William Rehnquist’s promotion to chief justice and Antonin Scalia’s nomination (though he notes in his book that both "yes" votes were cast grudgingly) and later would come to the rescue of Clarence Thomas. But blocking Bork, he explained in his book, was essential to preserving the balance of the court.

    Specter voted yes on the nominations of liberals David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer as well as swing justices Anthony Kennedy and Sandra Day O’Connor. In his book, he notes no reservations or objections to those judges as he did with Rehnquist and Scalia.

    It is not just the Right to Life, but also Liberty Counsel, Concerned Women of America, and others.
    Timothy P. Carney on Arlen Specter on National Review Online
    Specter seems to pop up in the center of the worst scandals of the Clinton era.

  • The Unacceptable Arlen Specter

    11/08/2004 7:43:49 AM PST · 22 of 22
    KDubRN to uncbob; All

    AS much as I detest Specter I don't think he will be the real problem

    It will be the MSM who will attack endlessly any conservative Bush tries to appoint

    They will go back to his/her kindergarten days for dirt

    Bush may stand behind his nominee

    BUT HOW MANY POTENTIAL NOMINEES WILL WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS VICIOUS SMEAR CAMPAIGN THAT THE MSM IS SURE TO MOUNT

    That will be the real problem


    I disagree.
    Specter borked Bork. Bush helped Specter, he then refused to help Bush. He is a fence straddler. He has no loyalty. He would have the ability to determine the fate of the Supreme Court. His friends are Soros, Ickes, clinton and more. He cannot be trusted.
    HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE :: FLASHBACK: August 18, 2003 Will Specter Chair Judiciary? by Timothy P. Carney
    Specter had approved of William Rehnquist’s promotion to chief justice and Antonin Scalia’s nomination (though he notes in his book that both "yes" votes were cast grudgingly) and later would come to the rescue of Clarence Thomas. But blocking Bork, he explained in his book, was essential to preserving the balance of the court.

    Specter voted yes on the nominations of liberals David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer as well as swing justices Anthony Kennedy and Sandra Day O’Connor. In his book, he notes no reservations or objections to those judges as he did with Rehnquist and Scalia.

    It is not just the Right to Life complaining, but also Liberty Counsel, Concerned Women of America, and others.
    Timothy P. Carney on Arlen Specter on National Review Online
    Specter seems to pop up in the center of the worst scandals of the Clinton era.

  • The Unacceptable Arlen Specter

    11/08/2004 7:39:30 AM PST · 21 of 22
    KDubRN to Scholastic; All

    Santorum continues to run infrence for Specter.

    Email Santorum en masse, and take his server down.
    Also, let Frist know Specter is not an acceptable choice. If in fact, the POTUS won on values, we lose simply by their appointment of Specter in this leadership capacity.

  • TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO DAILIES THREAD SEPTEMBER-OCTOBER 2004 BREAKING NEWS AND CALLS TO ACTION

    10/15/2004 11:09:53 AM PDT · 1,329 of 1,556
    KDubRN to Lisa Ruby; All

    That bone scan was not known until close to the end of last year. Greer stated while it was interesting, it had no bearing on the current case before him. Can't remember what that was. Guardianship? When Pat found out, she asked for an evidentiary hearing. Greer denied it. She then took Walkers depo.

    I don't see how anybody could overlook anything they know nothing about.

    Lisa states, "During the hearing, one of the doctors testified that Terri had a "suspiciously rigid neck," and that the only other time he had seen this in a cardiac arrest patient was in a case of an attempted strangulation."

    Your above references on the rigid neck, to the best of my knowledge, is the Forensic Spec, Baden. I believe that was discussed in an interview on TV with Greta.

    Missstated facts do a lot of damage to the Schindlers and their fight to keep their daughter alive. If you dislike somebody, keep it to yourself. Bad mouthing Pat, when in fact you are incorrect, is not helpful.

  • Just Saw The Video Of Eugene Armstrong Being Murdered.

    09/23/2004 8:34:45 AM PDT · 82 of 92
    KDubRN to B4Ranch; All

    It's time to get rid of the politically correct individuals who have anything to do with fighting this war and let the 'mean, cold hearted' guys take over.


    Talking about politically correct, did y'all see this latest Maher stupidity?
    Comedian Bill Maher, who has gotten himself in trouble before, apparently thinks beheadings are funny.
    "Oh, I tell you, things are getting bad over there [in Iraq]," Mr. Maher said during his monologue for the Sept. 17 episode of "Real Time with Bill Maher" on HBO.
    "On Wednesday, for example, three severed heads were found by the side of the road outside of Baghdad. Hey, memo to the Iraqi people: severed-head pickup is Tuesday. Look, if you want to sleep late, roll them out on Monday night. ..."

    Greg Pierce can be reached at 202/636-3285 or gpierce@washingtontimes.com.
    Inside Politics - The Washington Times: Inside Politics - September 23, 2004
    http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm