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  • Overcoming the Stench of Sin (REAL Mormon / LDS)

    03/11/2011 12:05:22 PM PST · 51 of 60
    Logophile to MHGinTN
    Are you familiar with the Lorenzo Snow couplet?

    Of course I am. In fact, it is found in the first paragraph at the link I provided earlier (Post #36). For the benefit of those who do not know what we are talking about, here is what Lorenzo Snow said:

    As man now is, God once was;
    As God now is, man may be.
  • Overcoming the Stench of Sin (REAL Mormon / LDS)

    03/11/2011 10:34:01 AM PST · 49 of 60
    Logophile to T Minus Four
    So if I ask to look like Jennifer Aniston, I'm in, eh? That's a much less ambitious plea than to ask to be a god.

    It seems your argument is with the Bible, not with me.

  • Overcoming the Stench of Sin (REAL Mormon / LDS)

    03/11/2011 6:09:14 AM PST · 36 of 60
    Logophile to dragonblustar; aMorePerfectUnion
    Alas, you are misinformed about LDS teachings.

    I would suggest that you study what we actually say about our doctrines, and not rely on what others may say about us.

    On the subject of deification, you might to start with the summary by Millet and Reynolds, Do Latter-day Saints believe that men and women can become gods? It states in part,

    This doctrine is generally referred to as deification, and the LDS expression of this doctrine is often misrepresented and misunderstood. Latter-day Saints do not believe that human beings will ever be independent of God, or that they will ever cease to be subordinate to God. They believe that to become as God means to overcome the world through the atonement of Jesus Christ (see 1 John 5:4—5; Revelation 2:7, 11). Thus the faithful become heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ and will inherit all things just as Christ inherits all things (see Romans 8:17; Galatians 4:7; 1 Corinthians 3:21—23; Revelation 21:7). They are received into the "church of the firstborn," meaning they inherit as though they were the firstborn (see Hebrews 12:23). There are no limitations on these scriptural declarations; those who become as God shall inherit all things. In that glorified state they will resemble our Savior; they will receive his glory and be one with him and with the Father (see 1 John 3:2; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 3:18; John 17:21—23; Philippians 3:21).
  • Overcoming the Stench of Sin (REAL Mormon / LDS)

    03/10/2011 7:42:32 PM PST · 28 of 60
    Logophile to dragonblustar
    Joseph Smith's "stench of sin" was to think he's better than Jesus.

    If so, he will answer to God for his pride.

    On the other hand, perhaps Joseph Smith was simply fulfilling the promise that Jesus made to His disciples:

    11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

    12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

    14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. (John 14:11-14)

  • Overcoming the Stench of Sin (REAL Mormon / LDS)

    03/10/2011 7:27:05 PM PST · 27 of 60
    Logophile to dragonblustar
    The stench of sin is to think you'll become a god someday.

    Not so. The idea of becoming a god (deification or theosis) has a long and respectable history in Christian thought. Consider what St. Augustine (no Mormon he) wrote on the subject:

    It is evident then, that He has called men gods, that are deified of His Grace, not born of His Substance. For He does justify, who is just through His own self, and not of another; and He does deify who is God through Himself, not by the partaking of another. But He that justifies does Himself deify, in that by justifying He does make sons of God. For He has given them power to become the sons of God. ( John 1:12) If we have been made sons of God, we have also been made gods: but this is the effect of Grace adopting, not of nature generating. Exposition on Psalm 50 (2)
    Many other early Christians (none of whom could be considered Mormons) expressed similar ideas. St. Athanasius expressed it concisely:
    For the Son of God became man so that we might become God. ( Catechism: 460)

    I wold not argue that Augustine, Athanasius, and the other early Christians who wrote about deification understood it exactly as Latter-day Saints do. But I would argue that there is nothing at all sinful to think that one might become a god someday.

    Indeed, the Westminster Dictionary of Christian Thought goes so far as to state that deification is "the goal of every Christian":

    Deification (Greek Theosis) is for orthodoxy the goal of every Christian. Man, according to the Bible, is ‘made in the image and likeness of God’ is possible for man to become like God, to become deified, to become God by grace. This doctrine is based on many passages of both O.T. and N.T. (Psalms 82: (81) .6; 2 Peter 1:4), and it is essentially the teaching both of St. Paul, though he tends to use the language of filial adoption (Romans 8:9-17, Galatians 4:5-7) and the fourth gospel (John 17:21-23).

    A good summary of deification from the LDS perspective can be found HERE.

  • Overcoming the Stench of Sin (REAL Mormon / LDS)

    03/10/2011 6:14:42 PM PST · 23 of 60
    Logophile to Paragon Defender

    Good article, PD. Thanks for posting it.

  • Appendix C: The Militiamen (Real Mormon murderers in history...the Lds-approved 'list')

    03/02/2011 4:39:33 PM PST · 24 of 73
    Logophile to Colofornian
    Without critically reviewing Walker, Turley & Leonard, I'm sure they've done a professional work on this book. The only thing the Mormon church probably told them from the jumpstart was to just not look very hard for any pre-massacre connections leading back to Brigham Young...or perhaps even develop a credible mopology [sic] on that.

    Make up your mind. If the authors did "professional work" on the book, they would not have overlooked "connections" to Brigham Young. To do so would have been unprofessional.

    Do you have any evidence to support your suggestion that the Mormon Church "probably" told the authors how to proceed?

    Well, you can't expect an objective look from a corporation that has as much invested in the name of "Brigham Young."

    You should look up the fallacy known as "poisoning the well."

  • Gunman’s Former College Instructor: ‘I Was Afraid for My Life’

    01/10/2011 5:32:19 AM PST · 20 of 51
    Logophile to dawn53
    I have a friend who’s kid is in classes at a state U with a similar “personality” type. The guy goes on rants, intimidates other students...and the University does nothing. If a complaint has to be lodged, it has to be lodged by the student he’s intimidating...and the student’s being intimidated (and the profs for that matter) are afraid of retribution by the guy should he “go off the deep end.” In fact the U warns them that if they lodge a complaint this guy will know who filed it. Sad but true, and the definition of harrassment at this particular state instutition only lists direct contact as harrassment...verbal diatribes cannot be counted.

    That is the case at the state university where I teach. Some years ago, a student from Saudi Arabia was angry that he failed two courses, one of them mine. The student said that he wanted me and one of my colleagues killed. The department secretary was alarmed enough that she contacted the university administration.

    The response from the upper administration was tepid. They were sure the student did not really mean what he had said; he was just upset. They promised to "do something" if he repeated his threats. That was it.

    I went out and purchased a concealable handgun, which I carried with me until that student graduated and returned to Saudi Arabia.

  • Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

    01/03/2011 4:11:50 PM PST · 1,102 of 2,375
    Logophile to T Minus Four; restornu
    I’m imagine you and the other LDS wish Resty would just shut up :-)

    Shut up? No. I would never suggest such a thing.

    However, if the anti-Mormon threads on Free Republic are "taking a toll" on her, it would be healthier for her not to respond to them.

    That said, restornu strikes me a someone who is deeply devoted to Jesus Christ. Such devotion is what makes one a true Christian.

    A witness from the Holy Ghost is priceless. It is understandable that restornu would get upset when something so precious to her is demeaned or discounted. I would simply advise her to remember what Jesus said in Matthew 7:6.

  • Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

    01/03/2011 2:28:17 PM PST · 962 of 2,375
    Logophile to restornu; Logophile
    Allow me to revise and extend my remarks:

    Thin-skinned Mormons probably should not respond to criticism, if they cannot do so without getting upset.

  • Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

    01/03/2011 2:15:23 PM PST · 943 of 2,375
    Logophile to restornu
    Don’t feel bad the stealth war on the LDS is now in the open!

    War? You exaggerate. No blood has been spilt; no harm has been done to us or the Lord's work.

    I frequently disagree with what is written about Mormons and Mormonism here. Rather than complain about being mistreated, it is better to set the record straight. I appreciate the opportunity that Free Republic offers us to respond to attacks on our faith.

    Restornu, what anti-Mormons do and say about us is far less a concern to me than what some Mormons do and say in response. Thin-skinned Mormons probably should not read critical articles.

  • Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad

    12/26/2010 9:18:54 PM PST · 113 of 128
    Logophile to reaganaut
    The First Presidency addressed the issue of tithing in a letter in 1970:
    For your guidance in this matter, please be advised that we have uniformly replied that the simplest statement we know of is that statement of the Lord himself that the members of the Church should pay one-tenth of all their interest annually, which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this. We feel that every member of the Church should be entitled to make his own decision as to what he thinks he owes the Lord, and to make payment accordingly. (Quoted by Vicor L. Brown, Ensign, April 1974)

    So far as I know, this is still the official word on tithing.

    Note that no one, not even a bishop, is authorized to go beyond what the First Presidency has written. How members calculate their tithing is between them and the Lord; the bishop has no say in the matter.

    As for the temple recommend interview, the question is whether one is a full tithe payer, not whether one attended tithing settlement. And every member is entitled to decide what it means to be a full tithe payer.

    (You may be right that I do not follow my religion very well. Fortunately, God is both just and merciful; and by His grace I may be perfect in Christ. )

  • Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad

    12/26/2010 7:06:45 PM PST · 105 of 128
    Logophile to SENTINEL
    . . . Brigham Young had this to say on tithing "There has been so much inquiry it becomes irksome: the law is for a man to pay one-tenth. The Lord requires one-tenth of that which he has given me."

    Yes, and I pay one-tenth (10%) of my net income. That is what the Lord has given me. (The rest He allows the government to take.)

    Now, if someone wants to give 10% of his gross income, that is his business. The bishop is not supposed to question how any member calculates his or her tithing.

    I have literally been told at tithing audit (ok I'll use your eupehmism, tithing settlement) . . .

    The proper terminology is "tithing settlement," not "tithing audit." (Have you been away from the LDS Church so long that you have forgotten?)

    The difference between a settlement and an audit is no mere euphemism. Audits are mandatory. An tithing audit would be a careful, methodical examination of one's financial records to verify compliance.

    Tithing settlement is entirely voluntary. If a member chooses to participate, he is not asked to show the bishop anything. The member declares whether he considers himself a full tithe payer; the bishop is not to question such a declaration.

    I will publicly take issue with your assertion that you didn't even spend 30 hours a week on Bishopric duties.

    A bishop who personally does all of the things you listed is doing it wrong. Perhaps you have forgotten, but the bishop is supposed to call others to do much of the work.

    Sir, I question your ability to add, honesty, or both. Of course I know there must be slackers in the LDS Bishoprics, but I can tell you of a certainty that 30-50 hours a week on top of full time work, college (in my case), and family is to be expected.

    I am not deficient in mathematics, and I try to tell the truth; so perhaps I was one of the slackers. Or perhaps you are not as knowledgeable as you claim about the workings of the LDS church.

  • Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad

    12/26/2010 6:09:25 PM PST · 103 of 128
    Logophile to ml/nj
    Until someone leads me to such passages in the Book of Mormon, I guess I'll remain shocked by the hatred some of my fellow FReepers show for this group.

    Thanks for your kind remarks about Mormons. Off the top of my head, I can think of one situation in the Book of Mormon in which the Lord commanded the prophet Nephi to slay a man. See 1 Nephi 4:7-18. Nephi did so by cutting off the man's head with his own sword.

    In contrast, the Book of Mormon also gives an account of people who refused to take up arms, instead allowing themselves to be killed for their faith (See Alma 24.)

    However, both of those are extreme and unusual cases. More generally, the Book of Mormon supports the right of self-defense. Indeed, it speaks of self-defense as a duty:

    45 Nevertheless, the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for monarchy nor power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.

    46 And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.

    47 And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion. (Alma 43:45-47)

    I take these words to heart. I believe in turning the other cheek, in not responding in kind to insults. However, I am no pacifist. I believe every person has the right to defend himself and his family and friends against those who would harm them.

  • Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad

    12/26/2010 5:15:22 PM PST · 88 of 128
    Logophile to SENTINEL
    If you have not been a member, you simply cannot comprehend the severity of the burden of mormonism. 30-50 HOURS A WEEK of free labor, 10% (of gross) tithe with a year end tihing audit, a day's pay once a month for fast offering, and GUILT, GUILT, GUILT mixed in with never ending deceit and false doctrine.

    Even as bishop, I never devoted as much as 30 hours a week to church work. (Someone who spends that much time is probably doing it wrong.)

    I tithe 10% on my net (not gross) income. I have never conducted or been subjected to a "tithing audit." (Do you mean "tithing settlement"?)

    Fast offerings are voluntary contributions to help the poor. The amount given is entirely up to the giver; the cost of two meals per month is suggested. I try to give more, but no one has ever questioned or even commented on my fast offering.

    As for guilt—well, I feel guilty when I offend others. In my opinion, guilt is entirely appropriate in such cases. Fortunately, the Atonement of Jesus Christ provides the means whereby I may repent of my sins.

  • Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad

    12/26/2010 1:41:31 PM PST · 29 of 128
    Logophile to Colofornian
    "Modern Mohammedanism has its Mecca at Salt Lake... Clearly the Koran was Joseph Smith's model, so closely followed as to exclude even the poor pretension of originality in his foul 'revelations.' " (The Women of Mormonism, Frances E. Willard, 1882, Introduction, p. xvi)

    Utter nonsense.

    Mecca is the holiest city of Islam, so holy that non-Muslims are forbidden by law from entering the city. One of the five pillars of Islam is the Hajj, the obligatory pilgrimage to Mecca: every Muslim who is able to afford it is expected to make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in his or her life.

    In contrast, Salt Lake City is not considered holy by Mormons, nor are non-Mormons forbidden to enter the city. (In fact, the majority of the city's residents are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.) Pilgrimages are not a practice or requirement of our religion at all; hence, Mormons are not expected to undertake pilgrimages to Salt Lake City.

    In my view, Salt Lake City functions more like Rome than like Mecca.

    As for the allegation that the Koran was Joseph Smith's model, I suspect that the writer knew little of either the Book of Mormon or the Koran.

  • Seeing Christmas through New Eyes (LDS/Mormon Caucus)

    12/23/2010 8:03:47 PM PST · 14 of 16
    Logophile to delacoert
    By attending a Christmas Eve service at church on Friday, December 24 or a Christmas Day service at church on Saturday, December 25?

    No, we celebrate Christmas differently. In my family, we gather together on Christmas Eve to sing Christmas carols and to read the Biblical accounts of the birth of Jesus.

    My wife directs a neighborhood children's choir. All month, they have been singing traditional carols at various functions around the city.

    In my ward, we sing Christmas carols in every Sunday meeting during the month of December. The talks in the Sunday meetings have focussed on Jesus Christ and especially His birth.

    And of course, the First Presidency broadcasts its annual Christmas Devotional. The talk at the head of this thread is from this year's devotional. The entire devotional, including performances by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, is available HERE.

    Again I wish you a merry Christmas and a prosperous new year!

  • Seeing Christmas through New Eyes (LDS/Mormon Caucus)

    12/23/2010 6:57:03 PM PST · 11 of 16
    Logophile to svcw
    Happy Festivs or Smith BD, which ever.

    Do you mean Festivus? I don't know any Mormons who celebrate that particular non-holiday.

    I don't know any who celebrate Joseph Smith's birthday either. (In fact, until you mentioned it, I had forgotten that today is Joseph Smith's birthday.)

    But most of us do celebrate Christmas. So, allow me to wish you a merry Christmas and a prosperous new year.

  • Seeing Christmas through New Eyes (LDS/Mormon Caucus)

    12/23/2010 3:40:32 PM PST · 6 of 16
    Logophile to dalebert
    lol is Christmas on christs birthday?

    Does it matter?

  • Difficult Questions for Mormons

    12/03/2010 1:44:20 PM PST · 76 of 165
    Logophile to greyfoxx39
    So, are you claiming that the golden plates were/are as real as Jesus Christ?

    Jesu Christ and the plates are real, yes. However, Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God; the plates are inanimate objects on which was engraved a record of God's dealing with human beings.

    Thanks for clearing that up. The continual attempt by mormonism to downgrade Christ to fit the mormon template is really obvious in some posts here.

    Now you are getting silly. To say that A is as real as B is not to "downgrade" either A or B.

  • Difficult Questions for Mormons

    12/03/2010 5:39:41 AM PST · 69 of 165
    Logophile to Godzilla
    and on what basis is it 'affirmed' - subjective yes?

    God communicates to humans in varied ways, from angelic visitations to the "still, small voice" (1 Kings 19:12).

    Almost all such communications may be considered "subjective" because they tend to be personal and private rather than public.

  • Difficult Questions for Mormons

    12/02/2010 8:21:21 PM PST · 66 of 165
    Logophile to MHGinTN
    You are asserting that God’s Spirit would affirm as true a book of fictional places, fictional people, and fictional events.

    No, I am saying that God would not affirm something to be true unless it is true.

  • Difficult Questions for Mormons

    12/02/2010 5:38:15 PM PST · 62 of 165
    Logophile to greyfoxx39
    If you weren't a mormon with the fallacious belief in the three-person mormon godhead, you wouldn't even have to ask that question.

    My questions were rhetorical.

    According to Acts 1:9-11, Jesus was taken up into heaven and will return like manner. He did not remain physically on Earth, performing miracles for everyone to see. Had He done so, that would be "proof" to everyone that He is the Son of God, who has all power, including power over death.

    Of course, as every Christian should know, in this life we "walk by faith, not by sight." (2 Corinthians 5:7). Jesus promised that His disciples would receive power and the Holy Ghost after His ascension into heaven (Acts 1:8). Although we may not see Him, we can know that Jesus is the Christ, our Savior and Redeemer, by the witness of the Holy Ghost.

    Likewise, we can know that the Book of Mormon is true, not by seeing the golden plates, but by the witness of the Holy Ghost.

  • Difficult Questions for Mormons

    12/02/2010 8:02:57 AM PST · 28 of 165
    Logophile to delacoert
    Why did the angel take Nephi Plates back to heaven? Do they not belong with man? Would not their existence prove once for all that Mormonism is truth?

    Why did Jesus ascend into heaven after His resurrection? Would not His presence on Earth prove once for all that Christianity is truth?

  • Midnight At Rachel's Tomb: Kind Of A Hush About Islamic Claim That Kever Rachel, Kotel Are Mosques

    11/30/2010 7:44:41 PM PST · 5 of 11
    Logophile to SJackson
    I don't fear intermarriage and assimilation. I welcome it. I think its good in the long run because if all young people who hate Foxman and Hoenlein and Mort Klein end up intermarrying and assimilating, here's what's going to happen. The children and grandchildren of these anti-Zionist alienated Jews will likely end up Christian, and no one loves Israel like American Christians. The tens of millions of American Christian Zionists are the real engine behind America's support for Israel.

    That is an interesting (and unusual) point of view.

  • How Corporatism Has Undermined and Subverted The Church of Jesus Christ

    11/30/2010 9:59:03 AM PST · 10 of 67
    Logophile to greyfoxx39
    For a different take on church incorporation, I recommend Baptist Legal Update: Should Churches Be Incorporated?
  • Cashell: GOP rightists are RINOs (Republican attacks conservatives for taking down Reid-loving RINO)

    11/27/2010 2:04:40 PM PST · 7 of 35
    Logophile to rabscuttle385
    Cashell was reacting to the way far-right senators mustered enough votes in the Senate GOP caucus to force Washoe Sen. William Raggio out as Republican floor leader after Raggio grudgingly supported Democratic U.S. Sen. Harry Reid’s reelection.

    Your bias is showing, Mr. Journalist.

  • Following the free gift of instant salvation the moment you believe, what then?

    11/27/2010 11:00:05 AM PST · 12 of 28
    Logophile to Benchim
    From the blog:
    The entire Book of James (the brother of Christ) is an oxymoron. James didn’t give much credit to his brother in dying for your sins or to his crucifixion, did he?

    He is just back in the law and “works” like nothing happened. Like many denominations and false teachers.

    If forced to choose between the Book of James and the gospel according to Gart O'Toole, I will stick with James.

  • Test Your Knowledge of the Book of Mormon

    11/15/2010 1:20:09 PM PST · 72 of 84
    Logophile to Colofornian
    . . . I double-checked . . .

    Excellent. The definition of gospel you found on is a good place to start. It identifies the Atonement of Jesus Christ as "the central doctrine of the gospel." The same glossary defines atone as follows:

    As used in the scriptures, to atone is to suffer the penalty for sins, thereby removing the effects of sin from the repentant sinner and allowing him or her to be reconciled to God. Jesus Christ was the only one capable of carrying out the Atonement for all mankind. Because of His Atonement, all people will be resurrected, and those who obey His gospel will receive the gift of eternal life with God.

    Note that these definitions make no reference to the many distinctive doctrines and practices of Mormonism that the original article mentions: eternal marriage, temple work, the Word of Wisdom, and so forth.

    I admit that many Mormons use gospel as a synonym for all of Mormonism; but such usage is imprecise. As used in the Book of Mormon, the gospel is the "good news'' of Jesus Christ: He atoned for the sins of the world; He arose from the dead on the third day; and He has provided the means whereby we may be cleansed from our sins and enter into the kingdom of God. (See 3 Nephi 27:13-21)

  • Test Your Knowledge of the Book of Mormon

    11/14/2010 5:59:32 PM PST · 19 of 84
    Logophile to Colofornian
    Well, Logo...what did you think then of this portion of my post #1 . . . .

    I think you have misunderstood the meaning of the word gospel.

  • Test Your Knowledge of the Book of Mormon

    11/14/2010 12:56:44 PM PST · 11 of 84
    Logophile to Colofornian
    Yes, Mormons believe many things that are not in the Book of Mormon. That should come as no surprise to anyone who is acquainted with the doctrine of continuing revelation:
    9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. (Articles of Faith, 9)
  • Love and Law -Mormon- (OPEN)

    11/12/2010 6:39:41 PM PST · 17 of 48
    Logophile to greyfoxx39

    Thanks for posting the article by Elder Oaks. I found it both thought-provoking and inspirational.

  • LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible

    11/09/2010 5:34:37 PM PST · 641 of 977
    Logophile to ejonesie22
    Almost Mormon like isn’t it..


  • LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible

    11/09/2010 4:49:02 PM PST · 636 of 977
    Logophile to Colofornian
    You have provided yet another verbose non-answer to a simple question.
  • LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible

    11/09/2010 2:28:22 PM PST · 616 of 977
    Logophile to Colofornian
    Mormons really need to choose one of these two oaths (or ones so similarly written):

    Why? Are you in a position to decide what Mormons need to do?

  • NIST Backs Proposal for a Revamped System of Measurement Units

    11/08/2010 3:17:30 PM PST · 21 of 24
    Logophile to kosciusko51
    From the linked article:

    It was only about fifty years later, and twenty years after Rømer’s death, that the British astronomer James Bradley’s measurements could definitively prove that the speed of light was indeed finite; it was 1727.

    The speed of light was 1727?

  • Hatch re-election could be iffy, according to new poll ( Utah )

    11/08/2010 4:59:18 AM PST · 25 of 32
    Logophile to Objective Scrutator
    If the Mormons would like to be seen as Christian to the rest of America, then they will have to unceremoniously boot this scalawag out of office before they can make progress with the rest of us.

    So, if the Mormons in Utah vote against Hatch, you and the rest of America will acknowledge them as Christians. Or is that just a first step?

  • Legalism is false doctrine !

    11/07/2010 11:45:57 AM PST · 73 of 121
    Logophile to 1010RD
    Paul channeling James or God?

    Or God inspiring both Paul and James?

  • Legalism is false doctrine !

    11/06/2010 6:35:01 PM PDT · 29 of 121
    Logophile to Benchim

    See Romans 2:1-11 (especially verses 6, 7, 10, and 11).

  • To Believe In or Participate in Halloween is an Act of Shirk–Greatest Crime Any Person Can Commit

    11/01/2010 6:07:22 PM PDT · 14 of 34
    Logophile to SJackson
    To believe in or participate in Halloween is an act of shirk (associating partners with Allah), the greatest crime any person can commit, so severe that Allah (SWT) will never forgive the one that commits shirk and dies upon it. For Allah said, 'Verily! Allah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, has indeed strayed far away.' (4:116)

    I am told that Muslims consider Christians polytheists because we believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I did not realize there is a name for this belief ("shirk"), or that some Muslims consider it an unpardonable sin.

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    11/01/2010 11:53:20 AM PDT · 379 of 381
    Logophile to Osage Orange

    Watch your tongue . . . er . . . fingers.

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    11/01/2010 11:39:22 AM PDT · 377 of 381
    Logophile to Osage Orange

    No, I am an engineer.

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    11/01/2010 10:49:48 AM PDT · 375 of 381
    Logophile to Osage Orange's crazy ( and comes across as deceptive..) for a mormon to answer a question about mormon doctrine, J. Smith, B. Young, geographical questions, Bible vs. using the BOM as your "truth". But Christians understand why mormon's do it.............

    Your post is puzzling. What is crazy (or deceptive) about citing the Book of Mormon as a source of Mormon doctrine?

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    10/31/2010 8:50:08 PM PDT · 373 of 381
    Logophile to Osage Orange would be very unusual for Christians to use the BOM for truth.

    It's not unusual for Mormon Christians.

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    10/29/2010 4:45:30 PM PDT · 333 of 381
    Logophile to Saundra Duffy
    No, my salvation depends on the Infinite Atoning Sacrifice of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.


  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    10/29/2010 4:44:58 PM PDT · 332 of 381
    Logophile to aMorePerfectUnion
    Oh, so you do have doctrinal differences with Mormonism. The differences may be huge, as you say; but they are differences. Why not just say so?

    Note that I did not accuse you of lying when you said something that appears to be untrue. Instead, I gave you an opportunity to explain yourself.

    One more thing: You say that the nature of God is not open to debate. However, good Christians can and do disagree on many things, including the nature of God.

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    10/29/2010 10:54:47 AM PDT · 320 of 381
    Logophile to aMorePerfectUnion
    No... but then I do not have “doctrinal differences” with mormonism.

    You don't?

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    10/29/2010 7:28:02 AM PDT · 312 of 381
    Logophile to aMorePerfectUnion
    1. Mormonism lies about God as a created being
    2. Mormonism lies about Christ as a created being
    3. Mormonism lies about the Holy Spirit as a created being
    4. Mormonism lies that there are multiple gods
    5. This could go on forever, but this is sufficient for any objective person to conclude that the teaching and foundation of mormonism is a lie.

    So, you believe doctrinal differences are lies? Really, you should learn the definitions of words before you use them, especially inflammatory words like lie and lying.

    BTW, Mormonism does not teach that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are "created beings." Because we do not believe in creation ex nihilo, terms such as created being, necessary being, contingent being, etc. are foreign to our doctrine. So, according to your criterion, are you lying about us?

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    10/28/2010 9:32:07 PM PDT · 303 of 381
    Logophile to Godzilla
    Not yet - are you going to invoke feelings to support your positions?

    I do not intend to.

    Right now, I intend to go to bed. Good night.

  • The Doctrine of Temple Work (Mormonism - Open)

    10/28/2010 9:29:34 PM PDT · 302 of 381
    Logophile to Normandy

    Well stated, Normandy.