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  • Boy Scout Backlash? Organization May See Rapid Decline in Church Support Following Gay Leaders Vote

    08/02/2015 11:00:44 AM PDT · 57 of 60
    lost in the snow to SeekAndFind; All

    I am also an ex-Scoutmaster. Left in Dec 2013 when the initial vote to allow homosexual youth was made. My 2 sons, both months away from Eagle also quit. When my older son announced to the trip his resignation he said ‘The only way to obey the Scout Oath and Law, was to quit scouting’ . They have both joined TL and close to being award their highest award.

    Folks need to know that TL is founded by Scouters who quit with the 2013 decision. It has Scout executives in the upper leadership positions. The head legal council for BSA is now in TL, he is the one who argued the Supreme Court case. The lead Scout historian is now writing the TL handbook. He has taken the path of modeling it after the pre-1970 BSA handbook.

  • Boy Scouts’ decision on gays tests loyalty of members

    06/10/2013 7:20:55 AM PDT · 33 of 59
    lost in the snow to kidd

    A quote from my son-
    “ The only way for me to follow the intent of the Scout Oath and Law is to no longer be a Scout”

  • Scouts Sending up the White Flag

    06/10/2013 6:25:07 AM PDT · 88 of 117
    lost in the snow to bert
    Our delegates were appointed by council. The rank and file had no input.
  • Scouts Sending up the White Flag

    06/09/2013 11:22:35 AM PDT · 77 of 117
    lost in the snow to silverleaf

    Yes that would be correct. I am not directly associated with any of those organizations. The church our family attends does not endorse homosexuality, and I avoid business that are actively promoting it.

    If you want to be associated with it that is your choice, others choose differently.

    Just because society and other groups endorse a behavior a find deplorable, I WILL NOT.

  • Scouts Sending up the White Flag

    06/09/2013 9:38:06 AM PDT · 72 of 117
    lost in the snow to lost in the snow

    For those who don’t believe more changes are coming see below. How long until this becomes officially sanctioned by the BSA>>>>>>

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewsninja2012.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2Fa41meritrequirements.pdf&ei=dq60UcSsHKO-yQHxl4DIAQ&usg=AFQjCNFsyDXUnjRyTm_N_AkZYH-JiQe7VA&sig2=I3ZXm3byOEp2-YK-086EHA&bvm=bv.47534661,d.aWc

    Scouting for All
    Inclusive Rainbow Merit Badge Requirements
    Please read disclaimer at bottom before beginning this merit badge.
    After you complete these merit badge requirements, send to:
    Scouting for All
    PO Box 600841
    San Diego, CA 92120-0841
    National Office Phone
    Tel: 619-229-1612
    Email: info@scoutingforall.org
    Remember to send a copy of the pre and post value clarification exercises you completed.
    Scouting for All will send you our Inclusive Rainbow Merit Badge, which you can wear with
    pride. Thanks for participating!
    Steven Cozza, Cofounder
    Howard Menzer, President
    Scouting for All
    _____ 1. Complete the Values Clarification Exercise before you complete the rest of this merit
    badge. Your merit badge counselor, den leader, scout leader, or parent should administer the
    Scouting for All values clarification excercise.
    _____ 2. Look up the words inclusiveness and diversity in the dictionary. Write a paragraph
    on how they relate to the Scout Law points of helpful, friendly, courteous and kind.
    _____ 3. Look up the dictionary definitions for prejudice, stereotype, and discrimination.
    Write a paragraph on how these concepts relate to inclusiveness and diversity.
    _____ 4. Do TWO of the following and follow up with a question and answer session:
    A. Invite a speaker from PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) to speak at
    your troop or den meeting. Ask them to speak about what it means to be gay
    (homosexual). Ask them to explain the following:
    1. What a hate crime is.
    2. How prejudice and discrimination affect gay people individually and the
    community as a whole.
    3. Ask them if gays have family values and if they can be parents.
    4. Ask them how they feel about gay people not being allowed in the Boy Scouts of
    America.
    B. Invite a group of speakers from an atheist group such as American Atheists. You can
    look these up on the Internet or in your phone book. Ask them the following:
    1. What it means to be an atheist in American society.
    2. If they have the same rights as believers.
    3. If they feel included or excluded in American society.
    4. How they feel about not being allowed in the Boy Scouts of America.
    C. With your parents permission, attend a PFLAG or GSA (Gay / Straight Alliance), an
    American Atheist meeting, or a similar type of meeting. You can find a local chapter on
    the Internet or in your phone book.
    ____ 5. Write a short essay on what you learned from the speaker or speakers and/or attending
    one of the meetings.
    ____ 6. Explain to your scout leader, den leader, or parent why you believe your troop or den
    should or should not be open to diversity.
    ____ 7. Ask your scout leader, den leader, or parent to give you the values clarification excercise
    again.
    ____ 8. With your scout leader, den leader, merit badge counselor, or parent, compare the
    answers of the firs values clarification exercise you completed with the second one you
    competed. Discuss if your values or beliefs changed or did not change and why.
    Disclaimer:
    The Scouting for All Inclusive Rainbow Merit Badge is not sanctioned by the Boy Scouts of America.
    You may be prohibited from wearing it on your uniform. Merely completing the requirements may cause
    problems with scout leaders or parents who are not open minded, so be aware of what you are doing. You
    may be prohibited from wearing the badge on your uniform. If you choose to wear it as a symbol of the
    BSA requirement to respect and defend the rights of all people, you risk expulsion from the Boy Scouts of
    America. Scouting for All suggests that you wear the merit badge, and if you receive a warning from
    your local Scout Council, then just take it off your shirt, but you should be aware of the risk. There are
    troops and dens in America and Internationally that are wearing the Scouting for All Inclusive Rainbow
    Merit Badge.

  • Scouts Sending up the White Flag

    06/09/2013 9:31:04 AM PDT · 71 of 117
    lost in the snow to silverleaf

    Every family needs to make its own choice. Ours was to leave scouting.
    Myself - Scoutmaster
    Wife - Committee member
    2 sons - Life and Star

    I will not be associated with an organization that promotes homosexuality as normal.

    This is not the last change. Adult homosexuals will be next. There will be changes to merit badges, most specifically the Family Life badge, which is Eagle required and centered around the old definition of the nuclear family. The homosexual activists will not let that stand. They will demand it change to include the ‘new normal’ of homosexuality and families. BSA will be teaching every Eagle that homosexuality is normal.

    Baden Powell is weeping.

  • Scouts Sending up the White Flag

    06/09/2013 6:58:30 AM PDT · 44 of 117
    lost in the snow to bert

    This change was not about homosexual scouts, it is merely a step to homosexual adult leaders. The BSA has no legal recourse to keeping them out.

  • Scouts Sending up the White Flag

    06/09/2013 6:52:49 AM PDT · 43 of 117
    lost in the snow to silverleaf; bert; lastmomstanding

    from the article
    Do you know, Scoutmasters, what you have done?

    This is a mistake in the article. The Scoutmaster did not vote, it was a group of roughly 1200 appointed delegates that were present, there were roughly 200 no show delegates. The vote was basically 60/40 in favor of accepting homosexuals.

    In fact Scoutmaster were overwhelmingly against the change, with over 2/3 wanting to retain the policy. Remember, back in July 2012 BSA completed a 2 year study by a committee of 200 that the current policy was the best for Scouting. The BSA statement;

    “After careful consideration of a resolution asking the Boy Scouts of America to reconsider its longstanding membership standards policy, today the organization affirmed its current policy, stating that it remains in the best interest of Scouting and that there will be no further action taken on the resolution,”

    Immediately after that two members of the Boy Scouts’ executive board, James S. Turley, chairman and chief executive of Ernst & Young, and Randall L. Stephenson, chairman and chief executive of AT&T, have recently said they would push to end the exclusion policy......
    Our belief is that change at any organization must come from within to be successful and sustainable.”

    ALL Scoutmaster will now be forced to accept open and avowed homosexuals and can not dismiss them from Scouting due to homosexuality. Everyone keeps saying that homosexual leaders are not allowed in Scouting, that is true only for adults, they do not understand the Scouting method. Scouts is YOUTH led. That means you can have a 17 year old Senior patrol leader who is homosexual, leading the troop. A 11 year old Webelo who enters the troop looks up to that 17 year old and emulates/admires him. Do parents really want thay 17 year old as a model for their 11 year old.

    Adult Homosexuals will be in Scouting very soon. By this decision the BSA has lost all legal standing from the Supreme Court ( Dale case) for protection. Soon after that there will be no membership standards, just like Scouting Canada and Brittian.

    BSA committed suicide, Sadly it should die.

    Scouting has left my family, we did not leave Scouting. As my son said “ the only way to uphold the Scout Oath and Scout Law is to no longer be a Scout”

    signed
    A former Scoutmaster

  • Boy Scouts Defy Rules, Wear Uniforms in Gay Pride Parade

    06/05/2013 4:47:50 PM PDT · 44 of 46
    lost in the snow to what's up

    In a word... No. I am a Scoutmaster. This new policy is one of affirmation. We WILL NOT be able to tell a homosexual boy that it is wrong and point them in the correct direction. We MUST accept his homosexuality as normal and encourage him. This will be strictly enforced and the homosexual activist will be ready to sue any troop that does not comply into non existence, and since the BSA policy is to admit them and affirm them, the BSA legal will not help.

    As for adults, this decision guts the Supreme court case in favor of the BSA ( DALE case). They no longer have that protection. Adult open and avowed homosexuals will be admitted into BSA ranks very soon.

    The BSA as we knew it died on May 23, 2013. I will no longer be a part of it , or my two sons and wife who was on the committee. Anyone currently in BSA and who does not agree with this policy needs to get out and let it rot and die.

  • 'Cutest Couple' at NY high school is 2 boys (Gag Alert)

    06/04/2013 6:57:36 AM PDT · 28 of 39
    lost in the snow to kimtom

    In a sane world the parents who support this would be convicted of child endangerment/abuse.

  • Boy Scouts: A Disheartening Betrayal

    06/03/2013 11:17:25 AM PDT · 46 of 57
    lost in the snow to chae

    Yes, but being in the socialist republic of Vermont, options are few and far between.

  • Boy Scouts: A Disheartening Betrayal

    06/03/2013 7:56:26 AM PDT · 9 of 57
    lost in the snow to Truth2012

    I would disagree, but each family needs to make its own choice. Our family will be done by end of the year. I am the Scoutmaster and our two sons are on the Path to Eagle, and just recently made OA. My wife was on the committee. BSA has been corrupted throughout its top leadership, and it will get worse. Remember that Randall Stephenson one the folks who pushed this from the inside is next in line for the top spot.

    By remaining I would be telling our sons and the boys in the troop that I give my tacit approval to this policy. I will not do that.

    The only way to stay true to the Scout Oath and Law is to leave BSA.

  • Boy Scouts: A Disheartening Betrayal

    06/03/2013 7:46:28 AM PDT · 7 of 57
    lost in the snow to Kaslin
    See

    This thread on a troop marching the Salt Lake City ‘pride’ parade-

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3026483/posts

    Also Scouts participating in the color guard posting the colors-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj0r-ogeq34&feature=player_embedded

    Watch the video, at 3:27 the homosexual choir alter the words to the Nation anthem. I can't make out what they said but by having at least one person in BSA uniform on stage holding the American Flag during this is disgusting and unpatriotic. So much for duty to country.

    BSA is committing suicide by political correctness.

  • Boy Scouts Defy orders to not wear uniforms in gay pride parade

    06/03/2013 6:51:53 AM PDT · 135 of 156
    lost in the snow to lastmomstanding; All
    Watch the video, at 3:27 the homosexual choir alter the words to the Nation anthem. I can't make out what they said but by having at least one person in BSA uniform on stage holding the American Flag during this is disgusting and unpatriotic. So much for duty to country.
  • Boy Scout Exodus Has Begun

    05/30/2013 8:30:53 AM PDT · 113 of 117
    lost in the snow to Maringa; All

    With all due respect to those who have the attitude of stay and fight, I do not think you realize the full impact of this decision.

    BSA has lost ALL legal recourse for keep homosexual leaders/adults out, for all programs. The Dale case from the supreme court agreed with BSA on its freedom of association. The key point in that decision was the foundational principal that homosexuality was wrong. This decision removes that point. If you read any of the posts that the BSA is putting out on this you will find that this is a position of affirmation that homosexuality is normal. The previous policy was one of tolerance this is total acceptance. The key players on both sides of the issue agree the adult homosexuals will be in Scouting very soon. The group ‘scouting for equality’ which spearheaded this change ( with help from BSA insiders) will not stop until there are no membership standards. After the adults are in they will then target religion and reverence, to allow atheist to join. Do a search on it and you will find the lawsuits are already getting setup. Also multiple councils have already said that they will openly defy the new policy and allow open and avowed adult homosexuals. BSA will do nothing to stop this. Even now there are troops in Cambridge MA. (Minutemen Council) that allow coed Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, and troops with openly homosexual scoutmasters. Our Scout executive when informed of this said that there are a large number of troops operating like this and he saw nothing wrong. The Cambridge troop has been coed for several years, so it is obvious that BSA National will not act.

    There will be internal changes to BSA. The Family Life merit badge centers around the ‘nuclear family’ i.e. father, mother, children. Does anyone really think the homosexual activist will allow that. That badge is Eagle required so acceptance and normalcy of homosexuality will be taught by BSA to all who want Eagle.

    The activist have also said that they will target troops or councils that resist this policy. Since BSA national has made this change there will be no legal assistance, the council troops are on there own.

    I am a Scoutmaster with 2 sons on the path to Eagle. My wife was on the committee. We WERE a Scouting family, and we have been very active in fighting this. The bottom line is the top level of BSA is infected with progressive liberals, as were many of the delegates who voted. No other Scouting group that has chosen this course thrives. Canada Scouts are in trouble as are Britain’s units.

    The only way fight this is a complete overhaul of the top of BSA dissolving the liberal councils. Neither of those actions will occur. It is time to build anew.

    My son said it best... “ The only way to follow the true meaning of the Scout Oath and Law is to no longer be in the BSA” It is a sad time.

  • Boy Scouts to vacate Center City Philadelphia headquarters

    05/29/2013 11:18:12 AM PDT · 58 of 191
    lost in the snow to stuartcr

    You show a lack of understanding on what the BSA has just voted on.

    The BSA will now present homosexuality as normal. It will be taught as normal in the merit badges - Family Life specifically. This is not a move of tolerance, it is a move of affirmation.

    By this action the BSA has lost all legal grounds to limit its membership under the freedom of association clauses.

    The Scout Oath and Law, are very specific. This decision guts them. My son said it best.... the only way to obey the Scout Oath and Scout Law now is to leave Scouting.

  • 300 BOY SCOUT FAMILIES LOSE SPONSOR, KENTUCKY MEGA-CHURCH BACKS OUT OF BOY SCOUT PROGRAM

    05/28/2013 10:40:22 AM PDT · 58 of 101
    lost in the snow to wbill

    I am a Scoutmaster. Our meeting was held the night of 5/23. I tended my resignation effective 12/31/2013, or sooner if the Troop Committee sees fit. My two sons, one 6 months from Eagle and the other about 1 year away from Eagle, also said that they are leaving on that date. The son who is close to his Eagle is trying to decide if it is worth the work for a hollow award.

    My older son also said that he must choose between being true to the Scout Oath and Law as they are intended, or remain in Scouting, they are no longer the same.

    We choose the Oath and Law.

    We have to stand up for our morals. Remaining in Scouting is offering support for their cowardly stand on this issue.

    As for the youth only part of this. Scouting is a youth led organization. There will be open and avowed homosexual youth in your leadership roles. These leadership roles are often admired and looked up to by the younger scouts. Imagine a 17 year old Life scout and an Webelo who just crossed over. That Webelo will look up to the older Scout. Would you really want that Scout to be an open and avowed homosexual. Also at camps many of the positions are held by older Scouts who are under 18.

    The homosexual adult leaders are coming and that will happen very soon. Multiple councils have already said that they will be in open defiance of this policy and allow open and avowed adult homosexuals.

  • Thoughts for Catholics impacted by the Boy Scouts of America membership policies

    05/28/2013 9:58:02 AM PDT · 57 of 57
    lost in the snow to MacNaughton

    When I get the list I will let you know. Our source is one of the folks who are working to form Faith Based Boys as an alternative.

  • Thoughts for Catholics impacted by the Boy Scouts of America membership policies

    05/27/2013 6:31:00 PM PDT · 54 of 57
    lost in the snow to MacNaughton

    I am waiting for an email from a contact who has the information , but there are news reports on the following officially saying that they will defy the policy and admit adults;

    — NYC council
    — Abnaki / Pine Tree Council Maine
    — Connecticut Yankee council
    — Boston Minutemen
    — Minnesota North Star

  • Thoughts for Catholics impacted by the Boy Scouts of America membership policies

    05/26/2013 6:01:53 PM PDT · 36 of 57
    lost in the snow to NYer

    The latest count is that 9 councils have adopted the position of ignoring the adult ban. Those 9 councils are fully open to adult homosexuals. I am sure more will also adopt this position.

    RIP BSA.