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Posts by Marcella

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  • Snowstorm Snowjob Is a Teachable Moment

    01/28/2015 12:06:36 PM PST · 45 of 47
    Marcella to subterfuge; Alberta's Child; Kartographer
    “It isn't his fault if you don't realize he was using the situation to illustrate how desperately liberals want complete control over everything. No need to thank me.”

    Rush, sitting in Florida, using weather reports predicting a terrible storm for New York City, to dump on liberals because the storm wasn't horrible in New York City, was a dorky mistake on his part.

    If I, a conservative, was the mayor of New York City, I would have done the same thing to prepare the people so lives could be saved. And, when it didn't materialize to horrible, I would say a prayer to God thanking him the city was saved.

    Those preparations the citizens bought gives them preps right now for the next bad weather or power outage, etc..

    Sometimes, Rush overextends his mouth. He left New York City so he wasn't there to be involved if the storm was terrible. If he had been there, I'm sure he would have stocked up on what he might need. I would also bet he's got hurricane preps in case a hurricane comes to his part of Florida.

  • Gowdy Opening Statement at Benghazi Select Committee Hearing

    01/28/2015 8:31:32 AM PST · 35 of 39
    Marcella to Forward the Light Brigade
    “One vote does not a RINO Make!”

    He didn't vote for anyone for speaker as weather where he was kept him from getting there in time for that vote. He likely would have voted for Boehner as I read he said he would have supported him, but you are correct, one vote doesn't label anyone - except on FR.

    It's disheartening to see Freepers dump on Gowdy and Cruz and any other conservative member of congress who is making a conservative difference in government - one vote different from the way a Freeper would have voted and the congressional member is dead forever with that Freeper and he/she dumps on that person on FR forever after.

  • Snowstorm Snowjob Is a Teachable Moment

    01/27/2015 3:59:26 PM PST · 17 of 47
    Marcella to Kaslin

    Sometimes, Rush is a dork. People should have prepared rather than “hope” they would be okay.

  • Terrorists can strike any time, anywhere: Self defense saves lives

    01/27/2015 3:24:31 PM PST · 9 of 18
    Marcella to richardb72

    There is a bill in the present session of the Texas Legislature to allow citizens to have open carry rather than just concealed and I believe it also removes the requirement to be licensed, but I’m not positive about that.

  • Michelle is not impressed: The First Lady does not look happy to be meeting Saudi king..

    01/27/2015 12:57:18 PM PST · 98 of 189
    Marcella to Blood of Tyrants

    “She always looks like she smells something bad.”

    That’s a good description of how she looks most of the time, her face “screwed up”, no smile. She is the pits and I think of Laura Bush who was always dressed appropriately to be the first lady of this country. I’ll be so glad when Michelle and what’s his name are gone.

  • Obama Campaign Team Arrives in Israel to Defeat Netanyahu in March Elections

    01/27/2015 8:47:02 AM PST · 61 of 67
    Marcella to txhurl

    Thanks for the links. Obama is pure evil. I hope his “people” over there would be arrested by Israel or, even better, are kidnapped by their “friends” Hamas and held for ransom.

  • Obama Campaign Team Arrives in Israel to Defeat Netanyahu in March Elections

    01/27/2015 8:19:53 AM PST · 59 of 67
    Marcella to Old Sarge

    I really like you, Old Sarge.

  • Things Are Bad In Texas: Crash in oil prices is weighing on economy.

    01/26/2015 12:56:37 PM PST · 59 of 75
    Marcella to Texas Eagle

    We found gas for $1.64 one week ago and now the same place is $1.87. Gasoline prices will not stay down. One cannot take a lower price and extrapolate that forward because the price will go up again.

  • US Embassy in Yemen Releases Emergency Message “Depart Immediately” You Are On Your Own

    01/26/2015 10:17:23 AM PST · 26 of 68
    Marcella to PhiloBedo

    “Wasn’t that airhead chick for the State Department...”

    There are two of those State Department young women who appear to be in their early 20s and they ARE airheads - when I hear them speak, I wonder if they passed potty training.

  • Encore Presentation of Patterns of Evidence: Exodus

    01/26/2015 10:11:45 AM PST · 7 of 8
    Marcella to Marcella

    ping

  • Huge storm to dump over 2 feet of snow on NYC (Global Warming Alert)

    01/25/2015 9:01:34 PM PST · 232 of 240
    Marcella to Twink
    “Finally a post that gets it. Thank you.”

    We have Freepers who live in the northeast as perhaps you do because their jobs are there which doesn't mean they are happy with Obama so I don't get dumping on everyone who lives in New York or New Jersey or farther north. I don't want anyone to die in this storm but it is going to happen to both Democrats and Republicans and they will likely be older people.

    I am north of Dallas and it will be in the 70s all week until a lower temp in the 50s gets here Friday - 70s here and dangerous storm in the northeast on the same days. This is a large country to have such diverse weather at the same time.

  • Huge storm to dump over 2 feet of snow on NYC (Global Warming Alert)

    01/25/2015 6:26:37 PM PST · 213 of 240
    Marcella to miss marmelstein

    “My husband and I - if this storm comes off - will survive on our gas heaters and fireplace!”

    I’m glad you will be okay. I am a problem solver - if something is wrong, I will figure out how to fix it - but I can’t stop this storm from killing people.

  • Huge storm to dump over 2 feet of snow on NYC (Global Warming Alert)

    01/25/2015 6:22:36 PM PST · 212 of 240
    Marcella to who knows what evil?

    “I’ll probably make a few phone calls tomorrow to see if I can rock some boats before it is too late.”

    Thank you.

  • Texas, the ‘great American job machine,’ is responsible for the +1.2M net US job increase since 2007

    01/25/2015 2:40:04 PM PST · 13 of 19
    Marcella to buffyt

    “We moved here to Texas in 1973 and I couldn’t find another Republican, but now Democrats are rare!”

    Glad you came to Texas. Yes, Dems are rare and we want to keep it that way.

  • Huge storm to dump over 2 feet of snow on NYC (Global Warming Alert)

    01/25/2015 2:29:17 PM PST · 82 of 240
    Marcella to robowombat; Kartographer
    Power is going to go out and some elderly people are going to die. I don't see anything funny about this storm. Predicted wind gusts to 65mph will take out power.

    I recall when Hurricane Sandy (think that is the name), went through up there and high rises in New York City had no power. An elderly lady living on the 20th floor had no water so had to walk down 20 flights of stairs to get water. I had plenty of stored water and wished I had been there to walk up those flights and give her plenty of water.

    I'm sorry this is happening to these people.

  • Texas, the ‘great American job machine,’ is responsible for the +1.2M net US job increase since 2007

    01/25/2015 12:46:50 PM PST · 5 of 19
    Marcella to txrefugee; Jim Robinson; greeneyes; onyx; All
    “Texas will endure, as we always have, because we are tough as nails and are still raising men like Chris Kyle.”

    Get ready for the uninformed Freepers posting (1) liberals are moving in and will turn us liberal and those posting (2) illegals are coming in and will turn us Democrat.

    Regarding (1): Liberals hate Texas and they aren't coming here. Had one in my house for two days and she was glad to be flying out of this state this morning. Also, someone will post about Austin being liberal and I have explained how that came about early in Texas history. It is one town historically Democrat.

    Regarding (2): Illegals voting: Every Texas state office is run by a Republican and that includes the Secretary of State, elections division. I know after working in the state/local Republican Party in elections, that we have safeguards to prevent voting by illegals. It is a state law process of running elections and we Republicans stay on guard to prevent illegal voting of any kind. We do catch most of it.

    Spanish people who are legal voters, are voting more for Republicans every year. The State Party has gone into more Spanish areas and opened Republican offices. If you have an office, they will come and I have seen that happen, have been part of opening an office and seeing voters come in that office to discuss elections and gather information.

    We opened a Republican office in the county where we lived, there was NO Republican primary in that county and we administered the FIRST ONE. After about 5 general elections, the county turned into a majority of Republican voters. I kept watching the percentages change, less Democrat voting in their primary and our numbers moving up. I knew we would overtake them at that rate and we did.

    At every general election, there is a small group of election law knowledgeable Republicans who are connected by a website and phone and anything happening that appears suspect on election day is reported by our workers by phone or to that website, and we deal with the problem right then and fix it. I was in that group one year and never left my chair and computer/phone except for food and bathroom until the polls closed that evening.

    Texas is a special place for conservatives and we aim to keep it that way.

  • Obama Will Not Attend 70th Anniversary of Auschwitz Liberation

    01/25/2015 11:29:52 AM PST · 90 of 90
    Marcella to Secret Agent Man

    One of the best movies ever made is “Schindlers List”, depicting Schindler saving Jews during that terrible time. Toward the end, Schindler cries because he thought he could have saved more. Someone gave me that DVD for Christmas and I treasure it. The history of that time is included in print form in the DVD package. Steven Spielberg writes he tried to accurately portray Schindler’s acts to save Jews. Schindler is buried in Israel as a hero to the Jews.

  • Obama Will Not Attend 70th Anniversary of Auschwitz Liberation

    01/25/2015 11:07:47 AM PST · 89 of 90
    Marcella to Rummyfan

    This Muslim/Moslum/Muslim/Moslim (I’m seeing it spelled numerous ways now), in OUR WHITE HOUSE is an abomination. How much longer, Lord, will we have to suffer until he is gone? Dear Lord, we need Christian Ted Cruz as PRESIDENT IN OUR WHITE HOUSE. In Jesus Name, Amen.

  • Just as Netanyahu Warned the World; See What Has Just Been Uncovered in Iran by a Spy Satellite...

    01/24/2015 8:45:03 AM PST · 29 of 59
    Marcella to SamAdams76

    “We could put a cruise missile down that shaft in about 9.2 seconds. I’m sure we already have the coordinates plotted for just that.”

    Obama wouldn’t do that to his friends - Netanyahu will.

  • Greta’s elevator nightmare

    01/23/2015 2:07:13 PM PST · 61 of 70
    Marcella to ProtectOurFreedom

    “...but in that instant we were in the opening, I terrified the car would move.”

    In the article, that is what Rev. Graham said, he was afraid one of them would be in the opening to get out and the car would drop, killing that person. I’m so glad their story had a good ending.

  • Greta’s elevator nightmare

    01/23/2015 10:57:51 AM PST · 17 of 70
    Marcella to Kaslin
    I was at a business convention, parked my car in the parking building and got in the elevator. There were about six of us in this elevator and it stuck. When an emergency happens, I immediately look for the solution to the problem. Other women in there panicked. One man said he was claustrophobic so he was no help.

    I looked up and saw panels that I thought could be removed - I was the smallest person in there not in a panic, so I figured the men could lift me up there. About then, it jerked and moved and jerked and moved until it got to a floor and we got out. I didn't use any elevator in that parking building again. You're likely to get help if the elevator is inside a building where people are, but in a parking building, there are no people around.

    When stuck like that, the first thing to do is control your panic and look for a way out. Starting that action, reduces panic.

  • Robbers target food delivery trucks in shortage-hit Venezuela

    01/23/2015 10:38:20 AM PST · 27 of 49
    Marcella to C19fan

    “When will the food rioting start?”

    It has already started - when food arrives at a store, unruly lines are blocks long and inside customers grab what they can, even it’s something a shopper already has in her/his hands. Police have to try to keep order.

  • New Orleans Bans Smoking Pretty Much Everywhere

    01/23/2015 9:51:23 AM PST · 42 of 44
    Marcella to pepsi_junkie

    “...and electronic cigarettes in indoor and outdoor public places.”

    We won’t be going to New Orleans - it’s now off our “official” personal list. We go to Bossier City, LA, to the casinos there - just went there last week and spent the night. If they make that ruling there, they will also be off our list.

  • What Are Liberals? (fun little vanity)

    01/22/2015 6:38:20 PM PST · 82 of 102
    Marcella to Lazamataz; CatherineofAragon

    You said to Catherine of Aragon: “Just marry me and be done with it.”

    She can’t marry you as she loves Daryl Dixon, bow and arrow guy on Walking Dead.

  • What Are Liberals? (fun little vanity)

    01/22/2015 6:33:40 PM PST · 81 of 102
    Marcella to Lazamataz

    “No. I intended it to be one paragraph.”

    Exactly, it is a string of words all coming out at the same time in your brain, therefore no paragraphs. Some Freepers didn’t get that connotation. I would bet when you finished that long string of words, you were exhausted and had to drink an adult beverage or two or three, to relax from that exhaustive continuous word session. Congratulations.

  • Police: Knife-wielding assailant injures two cops at Wilmington train station

    01/22/2015 12:03:38 PM PST · 4 of 5
    Marcella to ConservativeStatement; greeneyes; JRandomFreeper
    Some years ago, I was in London, England, visiting family. A family member was an actress and we went to the theatre district to see her in this play. While we were in that area, a murder happened. A man with a knife killed someone and the body was found while we were there. There was panic in the people and that included the police. The next night we were also there for the play and the cops were doing a “replay” of the murder. (How would you do a replay if you didn't see it happen?) Could have been they did it so they could interview people around, thinking some of those people would have also been there at that time the night before.

    At any rate, not long after that, their government considered making it a crime to carry a knife outside your house. I suppose if you killed someone with a knife INSIDE your house, they would have considered banning all knives in the country.

    Because the British are so freaked out over knives, I sent a pocket knife for Christmas this year to my 15 year old grandson who lives there. If I lived there, I'd likely have a collection of knives of every sort welded to the front of my house.

  • Reid Says He's 'Doing Fine,' But Has 'Not Been Able to Read'

    01/22/2015 11:24:02 AM PST · 21 of 49
    Marcella to Lazamataz

    He has a bad injury. When I was an EMT, I answered a call and went to a woman’s house. A dog had bitten her in the eye area. Bandage protocol for such an injury, is to bandage both eyes shut. I warned her I had to do that, so she wouldn’t be shocked when I closed both eyes and she wouldn’t be able to see.

    Eyes work together - if one moves, the other eye also moves. Therefore, if the good eye moved, the injured eye would also move and that could cause more injury to the wounded eye. I used the proper bandage protocol for that type injury. The ambulance came and took her to the hospital. I was a first responder to our subdivision and would have the patient “packaged” with vital signs and insurance info. also filled out on a form, so all the ambulance had to do was load the patient and go.

    I stated on another thread about Reid, that I couldn’t stand him but he would have had major pain from broken facial bones and eye injury and I didn’t wish that on anyone.

    Laz, if you have an accident, call me and I’ll rush right over and package you for ambulance pickup.

  • Megyn Kelly Featured in New York Times Magazine

    01/22/2015 11:11:38 AM PST · 6 of 19
    Marcella to Kaslin
    Due to being a psychological examiner, I studied human behavior for thirty years. Her right eye is fully open, and people will respond favorably to her - her left eye is partially closed and indicates she thinks, using high intelligence. The fact she is an attorney, also indicates high intelligence. One can dump on attorneys, but it takes high intelligence to pass the entrance test to get into law school. So, she is smart and very attractive. When she interviews someone, she uses the tough questions and doesn't hold back.

    She and Greta (Greta also an attorney) are excellent reporters and interviewers.

  • Man traded his dog for gun to shoot his son

    01/22/2015 10:58:03 AM PST · 14 of 21
    Marcella to Puppage

    “received a prison sentence of 21 years in federal prison.
    And, he’ll do maybe, 9 years.”

    It’s a federal sentence, no early release, no parole - he will do the entire 21 yrs.

  • Choses vues at the Hunger Games

    01/21/2015 11:47:46 AM PST · 30 of 33
    Marcella to T-Bone Texan

    “Black plastic garbage bags, size L, for covering our windows so as to black them out in a post-SHTF secenario.”

    I bought, on Amazon, black out accordion heavy duty paper window coverings with pressure rods included, just put them up using the rods. In the daytime, push them up from the bottom and since they are accordion, they fold up and there are clips to hold them up. At night, take off the clips and they fall down to black out the windows. They were also not expensive.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/21/2015 11:40:29 AM PST · 1,085 of 1,102
    Marcella to CatherineofAragon

    “Have to disagree with you, FRiend. It depends on the woman. I have a thick mane (well below the shoulders) of curly spirals, and I’m over 45. I get compliments all the time.”

    I am 81 and have “sexy” long blond hair, well below my shoulders, just like you. I was in a SASS shoe store and the clerk said, “Don’t let anyone cut your hair.” Let’s keep our “sexy” long blond hair.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/21/2015 11:33:38 AM PST · 1,083 of 1,102
    Marcella to caww; onyx; Jim Robinson
    “Look, my hometown went through this with the frackers and that's a whole lot more involved then a single pipeline.........once the cap is done there's no more work..it's a done deal....they have ‘one’ guy running around the area reading meters. I'm telling you this isn't about thousands of jobs...its’ temporary workers who will more than likely sign on with the bidders.”

    I disagree with your statement. I grew up in the east Texas oilfield and as a child I climbed on oil derricks. My father worked for Sun Oil Company from his twenties until he retired many years later. He was in charge of laying large oil pipes and the laying and care of the lines was what he did all those working years and there were crews of men needed for sustaining those pipe lines all those years. The job was unending.

    In my adult life I owned Transco stock. They have oil lines going from the processing plants in the Houston ship channel area and down to Texas City where really huge pipelines ran from there up to the east coast. Those lines send heating oil and other oil products up to the east coast. I've seen on a chart the many lines there are going north. Those lines have to be maintained and it takes a large number of workers all along that line. Office workers are also required to generate records, reports, payroll, legal records/reports, etc..

    Just because you don't physically see activity, it is happening. It will be the same for this new pipeline. The oil will go to the big plants in the Houston ship channel and Texas City to be refined into various products. Those plants are full of specialized workers and plenty of office people are also needed. Even if the oil products are shipped overseas, it takes our people to get the oil refined to be shipped.

    If one needs a job and that pipeline is built, get a job laying the line or working in an office dealing with the laying and care of the line, or go to Texas and get a job in one of those many processing companies on our coast that will refine that oil.

    It was oil pipelines that kept my father employed all his life and it was that oil money paid to my father that paid for my college. My mother sewed all my clothes until I graduated high school and was going to college. They took me to Dallas to Sanger Harris Department store and told me to buy any clothes I wanted to take to college. It was Sun Oil stock money that bought those clothes for me, the first store bought clothes I ever had.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/21/2015 10:50:25 AM PST · 1,082 of 1,102
    Marcella to haircutter

    DID ANY OF Y’ALL SEE HARRY REID AROUND...”

    Reid was not there. I saw a picture of him yesterday and his face is bad. The fall broke bones in his face - his right eye is bandaged with the bandage going down from the eye, covering part of that side of his face. Can’t stand the guy, but he must have had severe pain when those facial bones broke. Don’t wish that on anyone.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/20/2015 6:33:41 PM PST · 367 of 1,102
    Marcella to a fool in paradise

    “Wouldn’t that make him a ONE MAN PARTY OF ‘NO’?”

    Yes, it would. Send that comment to Boehner since he won’t think of that.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/20/2015 6:27:49 PM PST · 307 of 1,102
    Marcella to onyx

    He’s just lying his skinny, muslim ass off. Now talking about “VETOS.” Go ahead, A-hole.”

    You are really ticked off - I’ve never heard you use words like that. Welcome to the club.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/20/2015 6:09:02 PM PST · 110 of 1,102
    Marcella to isthisnickcool

    “On HD Obama is ORANGE!!!!”

    He is the same color as Boehner.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/20/2015 6:05:29 PM PST · 82 of 1,102
    Marcella to onyx

    To me, Obama is a forerunner of the Antichrist. Or he is him.

  • State of the Union Address Live Thread [9-11pm EST]

    01/20/2015 5:53:39 PM PST · 44 of 1,102
    Marcella to DAC21
    One swallow every time he says, “fair share”, “middle class”, “extremist terrorism”, “extremist terrorist”.
  • Choses vues at the Hunger Games

    01/20/2015 5:25:54 PM PST · 22 of 33
    Marcella to Harmless Teddy Bear

    “A cane that can be used as a weapon is very good.”

    I have several canes. One is metal, a fast turn of the handle and the case falls away, leaving in your hand, a 19 inch sword with a very sharp point. These cannot be sold in a number of states but legal in Texas. I bought it on line from a store in Louisiana. It is a beautiful metal cane with a dragon handle.

  • Choses vues at the Hunger Games

    01/20/2015 2:10:11 PM PST · 12 of 33
    Marcella to Boogieman

    “Just look at .22LR in our country. The only reason there is still a shortage is because the demand of the panic buyers continues to exceed production.”

    I made a list of on line companies that sold CCI hollow point .22LR, and checked them every day until I found enough to buy to have an adequate supply. Most Freepers know I have a PINK Ruger 22LR. :o)

  • Choses vues at the Hunger Games

    01/20/2015 2:01:19 PM PST · 10 of 33
    Marcella to Kartographer; Harmless Teddy Bear
    Post 4: “That signals that you don't have much and are not worth their attention. Blending in is the name of the game.”

    I have clothes especially chosen/bought (baggy and wrinkled) to wear if the SHTF. Would comb my hair in an unattractive way so it would look like I didn't have shampoo and didn't comb my hair. I wouldn't be seen outside my house unless I had to go out and then I would look like an old lady who had nothing.

    I have black out covers for windows so no light is seen coming from my place at night. Light and other power is from batteries, not generators, so there is no noise. Cooking is upstairs in a bedroom with door closed so odor will not carry to the outside.

    See, I'm just an old lady with nothing.

  • Admirals, generals, intel: Benghazi inquest compromised (Gowdy threatened?)

    01/20/2015 1:37:47 PM PST · 41 of 45
    Marcella to Candor7

    “Gowdy has been bought off? If so, it is a huge mistake on his part. He will never be able to seek presidential office or even a Senate Seat.”

    Don’t think he could be bought off, however, a severe real threat to him and family COULD cause him to drop it.

  • Ted Cruz builds his White House team

    01/19/2015 9:27:44 PM PST · 92 of 168
    Marcella to House Atreides

    See my post 85.

  • Ted Cruz builds his White House team

    01/19/2015 9:24:05 PM PST · 91 of 168
    Marcella to Theodore R.

    “We couldn’t even persuade TX voters to skip the land commissioner’s race. George P. polled about equal to Abbott and Cornyn.”

    George P. polled about equal in the general election due to the fact the vast majority of Texas Republicans vote straight ticket Republican. One punch and you’re through voting. Once he won the primary due to name recognition and no strong candidate opposing him, it was a done deal for the general election. Every state office is held by a Republican except for a few judges and not many of them.

  • Ted Cruz builds his White House team

    01/19/2015 9:11:44 PM PST · 88 of 168
    Marcella to Din Maker

    “OMG... apparently you do not live in Texas. That is about the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen here on FR,...”

    You are absolutely right. Jeb won’t take Texas. Cruz will.

  • Ted Cruz builds his White House team

    01/19/2015 9:08:54 PM PST · 87 of 168
    Marcella to Din Maker

    See my post 85.

  • Ted Cruz builds his White House team

    01/19/2015 9:05:01 PM PST · 86 of 168
    Marcella to SmokingJoe

    See my post 85.

  • Ted Cruz builds his White House team

    01/19/2015 9:01:37 PM PST · 85 of 168
    Marcella to Extremely Extreme Extremist; CAluvdubya; Jim Robinson
    Extremely, you said,”Cruz supports unrestricted legal immigration and pathway to citizenship like Rubio. This is amnesty no matter how you slice and dice it. Cruz also just got elected to the Senate. Finish your term, Mr. Cruz.” “Cruz’s support for unrestricted legal immigration...”

    I agree with CAluvdubya, you write these same untruths about Cruz on threads where Cruz is mentioned (I just read some of your Cruz posts) and it has been pointed out to you that you are wrong - Freepers quoted Cruz's actual words about immigration to you. If you keep repeating these untruths, perhaps you should go post them on a Democrat website and stay there. Besides, you live way up north, perhaps you can't understand Texan true speech.

    Cruz - the President for America.

  • Ted Cruz builds his White House team

    01/19/2015 8:25:02 PM PST · 74 of 168
    Marcella to Baynative

    “Don’t forget; the media runs the show ...runs the debates ...reports on the debates and even tells the uninterested and low information crowd who won and why.”

    Fox News will hold the first debate. Better than CNN or other liberal news organization.

  • Prayer request = Mrs Don-o (Update 194, 255, 318, 365, 394, 416)

    01/19/2015 1:38:40 PM PST · 104 of 426
    Marcella to NFHale

    Im on the road back to home, praying forr both of them.