Posts by metmom

Brevity: Headers | « Text »
  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/21/2014 2:21:23 PM PDT · 711 of 712
    metmom to St_Thomas_Aquinas
    What does the existence of sinful clergy prove?

    It proves that your church is hypocritical at the very least as it does not even hold to the standards put forth in Scripture, the very Bible that your church claims to have written.

    The antics of your popes doesn't even qualify them to wait tables in the original NT church.

    Qualifications for elder and deacon.

    1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

    For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

    Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

    That precludes taking communion with someone like that.

    2 John 1:4-11 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father. And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

    Titus 1:5-16 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

    For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.

    1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

    Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

    Galatians 5:19-24 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

    God is clear about those in authority being men of integrity and far too many of your church leaders have failed abysmally.

    In addition is the blatant hypocrisy that Catholics routinely display when castigating Luther or Calvin for imagined sins, holding them to the standard of Jesus Himself in purity of life and yet when it's a CATHOLIC leaders, pffttt..., they're just sinners like the rest of us.

    Either hold ALL leaders to the same standard to which you hold Prots to or none, like y'all do with your own leaders.

    For the record, this is GOD'S standard for what spiritual leaders are supposed to live like, and it isn't just boys will be boys.

  • Doctors: 'Irresponsible' to send troops to 'combat' Ebola

    09/21/2014 10:16:17 AM PDT · 131 of 153
    metmom to Tolerance Sucks Rocks

    It’s not *irresponsible*.

    It’s TREASON!

    Impeach him.....

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/21/2014 10:12:56 AM PDT · 676 of 712
    metmom to mlizzy
    If you don't embrace the Crucifixion, the suffering of God, whose suffering can you have empathy for?

    We cannot identify with the suffering of God because not only is God beyond our comprehension, but the depths of what He suffered is as well.

    I CAN empathize with others' suffering because I myself have suffered, as has everyone else on this planet.

    That is one reason why Catholicism is referred to as a more complete faith, because we remember his birth, his life as a child and adult (that which we know), and his death and his rising.

    Baloney.

    Faith is faith and I don't think that there's a believer around who is any less familiar with Jesus' life and death than any catechized Catholic.

    Y'all are not as special as y'all think you are. That's spiritual pride and right there knocks out any claims of spiritual superiority.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/21/2014 10:06:22 AM PDT · 675 of 712
    metmom to boatbums

    Good point.

    If the best you can do to win converts is make the other person look worse than yourself, then you have nothing to stand on.

    If Catholicism were all that Catholics make it out to be, it would stand on its own merit and there would never need to be even a mention of Luther, Calvin, whoever. Catholicism would win on its own.

    And it doesn’t.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/21/2014 10:02:00 AM PDT · 674 of 712
    metmom to boatbums
    It could probably help salvage what little credibility you have remaining after this thread.

    There's none left, bb.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/21/2014 9:58:05 AM PDT · 155 of 165
    metmom to CynicalBear

    If all they have is to rag on you about spelling, consider it a job well done.

    You obviously made your point and they can’t contest it.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/21/2014 9:52:06 AM PDT · 153 of 165
    metmom to Iscool
    Catholics seem to be the most gullible, superstitious crowd I've ever seen...When the anti-Christ shows up he's going to love you guys...A couple of miracles and you'll be hooked...You'll be eating out of his hand...

    Sad but from what I can see, very true.

    They'll believe ANYTHING if the Catholic church says it's true.

    I wouldn't even have any respect for a sci-fi author who wrote that stuff like that happened.

  • NJ teacher faces prison for sex talk with students

    09/20/2014 6:25:18 PM PDT · 42 of 42
    metmom to Morgana

    All he would have had to do is tell them he was checking out a new health curriculum.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 4:23:31 PM PDT · 630 of 712
    metmom to mdmathis6

    Well said.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 4:21:26 PM PDT · 629 of 712
    metmom to mlizzy

    The Jesus who dwells in my heart is the resueprrected and glorified one who rose from the dead, like the one John saw on the Island of Patmos in Revelation chapter 1, not the dead one still hanging on the cross who had not conquered death at that point.

    Jesus never addressed his mother as anything but “Woman”. Are you going to question what spirit was leading Him as He did tat as well?

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 8:18:11 AM PDT · 592 of 712
    metmom to mlizzy

    Jesus dwells in my heart through faith.

    He promised to never leave me or forsake me.

    I don’t need to eat Him to have Him in me and I don’t need to do it over and over again, because He doesn’t leave me.

    The Father is seeking those who worship Him in spirit and in truth, not those who worship images or objects in lieu of Him. He only inhabits people, not things.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 8:02:15 AM PDT · 586 of 712
    metmom to mlizzy

    I see. catholics don’t think that God can take care of stuff Himself without Catholics helping Him along.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/20/2014 7:50:07 AM PDT · 1,129 of 1,133
    metmom to NKP_Vet

    Funny when I state that Catholics believe that, I’m called a liar and poorly catechized

    Must be the same for you.

    I wonder where the rest of the FRoman Catholics are now.,

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:38:12 AM PDT · 581 of 712
    metmom to mlizzy; caww

    ****Caww, if Jesus didn’t leave himself with us on the earth after he died, we’d all be dead ourselves long ago. We are a weak people. Christ would never have abandoned us. The Eucharistic Miracles are proof (not that he should have to send us some) that he is alive in the Living Bread. Read up on the saints; they will all tell you it’s true, in a lot better way than I ever could.****

    THAT’S why He sent the Holy Spirit!!!!!

    A believer has the Holy Spirit in him to do those very things.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:33:43 AM PDT · 580 of 712
    metmom to mlizzy

    Wow. A pope encouraging idolatry in worshiping and image.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:32:12 AM PDT · 579 of 712
    metmom to CynicalBear

    The Catholic church and leaders in it actually admit to incorporating pagan practices and yet here FRoman Catholics adamantly deny what is blindingly obvious.

    I guess they’re not as well catechized as they like to brag on, esp. when non- Catholics know more about what their church teaches than they do.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:29:39 AM PDT · 578 of 712
    metmom to CynicalBear

    Didn’t think you’d actually get an answer to that.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:22:24 AM PDT · 577 of 712
    metmom to vladimir998; Elsie

    anyone who pays attention would have noticed years ago.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/20/2014 7:20:58 AM PDT · 576 of 712
    metmom to BlueDragon

    ****> “The last official Spanish execution for heresy was in 1826, when a schoolmaster was hanged for substituting “Praise be to God” for “Ave Maria” in school prayers. The limpieza de sangre statutes remained valid (though increasingly unenforceable) until 1865.
    History of Christianity Paul Johnson p. 308****

    Telling, isn’t it?

  • America’s Most Popular Pastor Doesn’t Know The Bible

    09/20/2014 7:18:39 AM PDT · 101 of 133
    metmom to BereanBrain

    *****You have already won the lottery. You live in the best nation, in the best of times. You have more blessings than 95% of the people on earth. A poor man here in America is better off than most people in history have ever lived. How many TVs do you have in your house?****

    Isn’t it interesting how “rich” is always more than we have?

    Jesus told us not to seek for the things of this world, but to seek FIRST then kingdom of God and HIS righteousness.

    THEN everything we NEED will be given.

    Not everything we want or lust for.

  • America’s Most Popular Pastor Doesn’t Know The Bible

    09/20/2014 7:17:38 AM PDT · 100 of 133
    metmom to BereanBrain

    *****You have already won the lottery. You live in the best nation, in the best of times. You have more blessings than 95% of the people on earth. A poor man here in America is better off than most people in history have ever lived. How many TVs do you have in your house?****

    isn’t it interesting how “rich” is always more than we have?

    Jesus told us not to seek for the things of this world, but to seek FIRST then kingdom of God and HIS righteousness.

  • America’s Most Popular Pastor Doesn’t Know The Bible

    09/20/2014 7:15:32 AM PDT · 99 of 133
    metmom to BereanBrain

    *****You have already won the lottery. You live in the best nation, in the best of times. You have more blessings than 95% of the people on earth. A poor man here in America is better off than most people in history have ever lived. How many TVs do you have in your house?****

    AMEN!!!!

  • America’s Most Popular Pastor Doesn’t Know The Bible

    09/20/2014 7:11:49 AM PDT · 98 of 133
    metmom to prisoner6

    Riches are deceitful and we can’t serve two masters.

    We get saved to spend eternity with God, not to use Him to get rich and make our lives comfortable.

    So, how’s that message of prosperity working out in the rest of the world? Iraq? Iran? Africa?

    Places where you are imprisoned and tortured for naming the name of Christ? Where children are being beheaded? Where your property is confiscated and you can’t find employment?

    Tell them that God has a wonderful plan for your life and you just have to claim it and walk it out?

  • America’s Most Popular Pastor Doesn’t Know The Bible

    09/20/2014 7:06:54 AM PDT · 97 of 133
    metmom to BereanBrain

    bookmark for later

  • America’s Most Popular Pastor Doesn’t Know The Bible

    09/20/2014 6:54:35 AM PDT · 96 of 133
    metmom to PapaNew

    And there’s nothing the guy can do that his loyal drones will not excuse.

    He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing who uses Jesus for his own profit.

    Disgusting.

  • ObamaCare architect Ezekiel Emanuel has anounced the ‘optimal age of death’ - you won’t like it

    09/20/2014 6:50:24 AM PDT · 127 of 129
    metmom to xzins

    Fine. then if he reaches 75, he needs to not be a hypocrite and he needs to set the example and do himself in.

    Like I could see THAT happening......

  • Why do bad things happen to good people

    09/20/2014 6:48:19 AM PDT · 84 of 84
    metmom to mlizzy

    That’s all a bunch of nonsense.

    It’s just a guilt trip someone is trying to lay on those who don’t share in their worship of Mary. It’s clearly manipulation by saying the if you love Jesus, you love Mary.

    Unadulterated hogwash.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 1:26:06 PM PDT · 440 of 712
    metmom to mlizzy
    2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

    Apparitions are the enemy.

    First off, nobody dickers for another's soul with Jesus. They come to Him themselves and he would NEVER refuse anyone who came to Him.

    Second, it's all fairy tales that Jesus cannot refuse a request from His mother. We are not to pray to dead people anyway. We have never been instructed to pray to anyone but God.

    Whoever this person was conversing with. It wasn't Jesus.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 11:52:57 AM PDT · 1,103 of 1,133
    metmom to Elsie

    Just like all one has to do is READ the Bible.

    It’s not that complicated.......

  • The Rise of the Papacy

    09/19/2014 11:47:24 AM PDT · 289 of 323
    metmom to Springfield Reformer; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ..

    AMEN!!! PREACH IT, Brother.

    Your posts have been awesome.

    Thanks for stating what so may of us believe so concisely.

  • Grace, Faith, and Works

    09/19/2014 10:03:25 AM PDT · 341 of 344
    metmom to FourtySeven; Greetings_Puny_Humans
    What I mean by “anti-Catholic” is that you oppose (not just disagree with but actively oppose) the Catholic Church’s teachings on virtually all her dogmas except I guess the Trinity.

    The primary opposition is to virtually ALL the Mary stuff, with the exception of the virgin birth, to praying to anyone or anything besides God and bowing in front of statues towards them, the necessity of a magisterium and priesthood, elevating tradition to the level of Scripture.

    There are plenty of other areas where there is no disagreement, and that is primarily because the Catholic church uses Scripture to support those areas.

    It's the areas which cannot clearly be supported by Scripture, but that rely heavily on tradition or ex catherdra pronouncements, or declarations by consensus of committee, that are in dispute.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 9:57:10 AM PDT · 1,094 of 1,133
    metmom to MamaB

    Sounds like it to me.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 9:51:10 AM PDT · 1,092 of 1,133
    metmom to Elsie

    You noticed that, too, eh?

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 9:50:08 AM PDT · 1,091 of 1,133
    metmom to MamaB

    They didn’t want the people to know the truth because the truth would set them free.

    Free from the demands of a legalistic religious system that controlled almost every aspect of their lives.

    Absolute control of people with the added plus of claiming that it is God sanctioned and that their eternal destiny is on the line for not submitting.

    What a racket.

  • The Rise of the Papacy

    09/19/2014 9:46:59 AM PDT · 287 of 323
    metmom to af_vet_1981
    I think some (many ?) are lulled into a false sense of security because they can point to a day they had a salvific experience.

    It's not a false sense of security. It's real security because it's a done deal.

    We are saved by faith but are not kept by works.

    If our works are not adequate to save us, they are not adequate to keep us.

    They believe all their future sins are covered by that day and ignore, or forget, the many warnings of the LORD and his apostles.

    ALL our sins are covered and forgiven. We have been (past tense) crucified in Christ, we have died IN Him.) We are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and given a new nature. That new nature is righteous and when the physical body dies, the flesh dies with it and all that remains is the new sinless nature.

    They think their mortal sins don't count against them and could only end their life on earth early, with them still gaining an immediate entry into heaven no matter what they do after that event.

    That's true, because God does not count the record of debt that stood against us. It was nailed to the tree.

    Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

  • The Rise of the Papacy

    09/19/2014 9:38:36 AM PDT · 286 of 323
    metmom to Springfield Reformer
    OSAS is mostly caricature. In real life, nobody does that, “woo hoo now I’m free to sin” thing. There are other, more realistic ways to break that down, and anyone who thinks God will let them off for remaining in unrepentant sin will find that God is not mocked. Don’t think that Protestants don’t understand that.

    And yet Catholics DO think that non-Catholics don't understand that.

    What Catholics fail to understand as well, is the revulsion to sin that the born again believer usually has towards sin.

    Nobody can sin comfortably with the Holy Spirit living in them prodding at their consciences.

    For the believer who does go into sin like that, it's often a long process of hardening their heart towards the Holy Spirit for a long time. It's certainly not a flippant, Now I've got fire insurance mentality.

    What it shows me is the attitude that believers are often accused of having, is the very attitude the accuser has towards sin and is an indicator of how they've behave if they had no EXTERNAL factors forcing their behavior.

    IOW, they are projecting, revealing what's in their heart, what they would do if they thought they were saved and secure.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 9:27:52 AM PDT · 1,084 of 1,133
    metmom to MDLION

    Your true exchange has nothing to do with interpretation of Scripture and is not a valid argument against it or in favor of a committee interpreting it for them.

    All it sounds like is that believer 2 had the sense to realize what’s going on.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 9:26:21 AM PDT · 1,083 of 1,133
    metmom to MDLION
    I’ve sometimes heard said that we don’t and didn’t need a church because the Holy Spirit would lead believers to truth without the Church. This ignores how difficult discernment is. The world, our own flesh, the devil, who often acts as an angel of light, are all competing with the voice of the Spirit.

    We don't need a top down organization because believers ARE the church. And we don't need to go to church to attain salvation.

    Believers need each other, it is true. Even for Adam, it was not good for him to be alone.

    However, the Holy Spirit is up to the task of enlightening people as to what Scripture means when it needs interpretation.

    Most of Scripture is pretty clear. Certainly enough of it that it doesn't need to be *interpreted* but simply read and applied.

    Yes, all those voices are competing for our attention, but we can discern which voice is the Holy Spirit by whether what He's telling us lines up with Scripture or not, usually simply by reading it.

    Avoid sexual immorality is not hard.

    Let the thief steal no more but work honestly with his own hands.

    Not a biggie that needs interpretation.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 9:21:43 AM PDT · 1,081 of 1,133
    metmom to MDLION
    No indicator from whom, the sources you are reading? Do you know it would sometimes take a monk 30 years to write a Bible with the beautiful artistic script for its use in churches?

    But to hand copy Scripture for more common use would not have taken 30 years.

    Catholics love to appeal to illiteracy and the scarcity of paper, the expense, etc, whatever, to justify keeping copies of Scripture out of the hands of the laity, but the RCC's reaction when the printing press made copying Scripture feasible shows that the Catholic church's concern was not benevolent. You don't burn people at the stake for making copies of Scripture if your concern is safeguarding the few copies that existed.

  • Why do bad things happen to good people

    09/19/2014 8:19:19 AM PDT · 79 of 84
    metmom to mlizzy

    Suffering happens. It’s part of this world. And people have been asking that question for ages and still not come up with a good answer for it.

    Perhaps that’s why some have developed the mentality that it serves a purpose and that it somehow makes us worthy, or shows God how spiritual or pious we are if we *endure* it and *offer* it up to Him.

    Sometimes we suffer because of the consequences of wrong doing in our lives. Other times people suffer for righteousness sake.

    It happens in this world, but there’s NOTHING in Scripture that says it has any ability to cleanse us, purify us, that we should offer it up to God as a kind of sacrifice or offering.

    Our debt for sin was paid for in full by the death of Christ. Suffering cannot add to it. I know people like to feel that somehow they can contribute to their salvation somehow, but if they can, then the death of Christ was not adequate to attain salvation for us.

    About the only reason that I can see for suffering, is that it draws us or leads us, or pushes us to God. And that’s just an observation I’ve made from my own life. It’s the times of suffering that have pushed me into seeking Him.

    I don’t know anyone who thinks, “Gee, life is pretty good. I have a good thing going. I can see that I need God.”

    Often it’s only when we reach the end of ourselves that we turn to Him.

  • Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

    09/19/2014 8:09:01 AM PDT · 1,072 of 1,133
    metmom to MDLION; MamaB
    Catholics prohibited from owning Scripture

    COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

    Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland, Facts and Documents [illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.

    The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon:

    “No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.” (-D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.)

    Suspicion?! Suspicion of what or for what?

    There's not one indicator that the reason for not owning Scripture was out of concern for it's safe keeping or it's rarity.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 6:37:00 AM PDT · 422 of 712
    metmom to ronnietherocket3
    If Jesus is God and Man and Jesus died on the cross, both God and Man died on the cross. I am confused as to how in one verse Jesus refers to God and Man and in the next Jesus just refers to Man.

    Did ALL of God enter into Jesus and live on the earth for 33 years?

    Jesus died. God didn't die.

    However, I see your point.

    If Mary the mother of Jesus = Mary the mother of God, then it could easily be concluded that when Jesus died that God died.

    Catholics don't see the nasty mess they make of things when they mess with Scripture and create their own theology.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 6:32:11 AM PDT · 421 of 712
    metmom to Elsie

    That’s awesome. Thanks.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 6:30:38 AM PDT · 420 of 712
    metmom to vladimir998; Elsie; RegulatorCountry
    Here Elsie calls you a “well catechized Catholic”!

    Hilarious! She can’t seem to tell when you’re posting and what you’re posting and when you’re not.

    She?

    Hilarious!!!!

    That'd be news to Elsie. And his wife.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 6:27:44 AM PDT · 419 of 712
    metmom to Elsie; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Gamecock; ...
    I’ll stick with the Scriptures you guys gave the world.

    Isn't it ironic that Catholics are CONSTANTLY telling us the the RCC gave the world the Bible and to say *thank you Catholic church* for it and yet when we stay faithful to it, as the inspired, authoritative word of God, we're labeled as heretics and there's weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth?

    You just can't please some people.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 6:23:49 AM PDT · 418 of 712
    metmom to BlueDragon
    This is the Jesus true believers worship, the risen and glorified One.

    Revelation 1:12-16 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 6:21:12 AM PDT · 417 of 712
    metmom to BlueDragon
    Not every Catholic considers her in that way, but some do, seeing her as co-mediator co-redemtrix and far more (the label/titles for "Mary" go on for days, one could scarcely read them all lest they go blind)

    It actually goes beyond *some* Catholics seeing her as co-medatrix and co-redemptrix.

    It's in their catechism; the official, binding on Catholics to believe or risk their salvation, document.

    Right here:

    From the Catechism of the Catholic church....

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

    969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

    Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.

    Jesus

    Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1

    Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

    Advocate - 1 John 2:1

    Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24

    Holy Spirit

    Comforter - John 14:26

    Helper – John 14:16

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/19/2014 6:17:59 AM PDT · 416 of 712
    metmom to mdmathis6
    Now while I think SOME(not all!) Catholics treat Mary as practically a 4th member of the Godhead(a QUADRINITY?) and I have said that before, but I don’t think that is the true position of the Catholic Church.

    While it is not the *official* teaching of the church in so many words, in practice, it is. And unofficially, there's plenty of evidence that that is exactly how they see Mary, many of which include statements made by popes themselves.

  • Panic over student’s ‘military-type jacket’ sends school into lockdown

    09/19/2014 6:12:31 AM PDT · 55 of 82
    metmom to upchuck; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

    ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

    This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

    The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

  • Student put in detention for sharing school lunch

    09/19/2014 6:11:29 AM PDT · 38 of 81
    metmom to P.O.E.
    So the school is saying kids are too stupid to be allowed to figure out what they can and can’t eat.

    It is telling them that. And as a result, it's more like they're conditioning them to accept someone else to do their thinking for them.