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Posts by MHGinTN

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  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 7:15:35 PM PDT · 360 of 406
    MHGinTN to editor-surveyor

    Lol, good one!

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 7:08:31 PM PDT · 356 of 406
    MHGinTN to verga

    LOL, go lite a candle to the Catholic Mary and ask her to clear our minds for you.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 6:56:56 PM PDT · 351 of 406
    MHGinTN to verga

    Lol

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 6:56:02 PM PDT · 350 of 406
    MHGinTN to editor-surveyor

    You partial quote, if you look carefully, is addressed to the Jews during the end of the Great Tribulation. But that’s all I have to say to a student of Michael Rood ... he doesn’t deserve the keystrokes.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 6:31:38 PM PDT · 342 of 406
    MHGinTN to ealgeone

    Now now, friend verga may just have a blind spot there ...

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 5:47:56 PM PDT · 336 of 406
    MHGinTN to verga
    In your confused state, you demanded to know, "MHGinTN have you built a shrine or altar for your Bible"? Bless your little heart, I put together the bookshelves where a couple of my Bibles are kept, and I use the online sources for scriptures since I can find so many versions and languages of the Bible. But, and this will shock your little mind perhaps, but I do not burn incense and light candles and pray to the Bible hoping that will eventually get through to GOD, like catholics do with the Mary of their idolatry. [Not the real Mother of Jesus, the Catholic Mary demigoddewss.]

    Has it escaped your consciousness that your accusations are defending worship of Mary? You might want to rethink your silly accusations.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 5:33:30 PM PDT · 333 of 406
    MHGinTN to verga

    Oh noes, it’s just hyperdulia dude! LOL

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 5:26:45 PM PDT · 330 of 406
    MHGinTN to editor-surveyor
    You asserted, "Paul explained to them that there had to be a moral/spiritual “falling away” first, and the man of sin must also first be revealed, before anyone would be raptured."

    Is that what your idol, Rood, has taught you? That is definitely NOT what Paul communicated to the Thessalonian believers. But I see why you would latch onto that error so firmly, given the teachings of Michael Rood.

    What Paul wrote is that those believers could not yet be in the tribulation of The Day of The Lord because things he had taught them would precede The Day of The Lord Tribulation had not happened, so they could not be in that Day yet:

    2Thess2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

    This will fall on your deaf eyes but I will state it anyway, for others reading along. Paul just conveyed that these believers should not be confused by some teaching that is not from him. He had taught them about the Rapture (as reinforced in the first letter 1Thess$:13-18). He had reassured them that some believers who had died after he taught them were not left behind, and wrote that they should comfort one another with this knowledge conveyed. (I'm paraphrasing for others, not to confuse you ES).

    Something arrived that threw them back into confusion, confused about the Day of The Lord which was to come upon those not taken in the Rapture. To reinforce that they had not missed the Rapture and were thus now in The Day of The Lord, He reminded them of what will happen showing the arrival of The Day of The Lord.

    They had not been taught to watch for the anti-Christ but to watch and wait for the snatching away so that they would not be going through The Day of The Lord under antichrist.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 5:01:58 PM PDT · 328 of 406
    MHGinTN to Boogieman
    Nice dodge ... the entire Earth is populated during the kingdom and the entire Earth is therefore 'the kingdom realm' where the Raptured Saints will rule and reign with Christ during the millennium, before satan is released for a season..

    Am I supposed to respect you so highly that I should bow and scrape when you declare even an error? You must think very highly of yourself. Frankly, I have no further desire to communicate with someone of such 'self esteem'. You are not communicating anyway, just pontificating and assuming yourself superior. Enjoy yourself ...

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 3:39:18 PM PDT · 323 of 406
    MHGinTN to Tennessee Nana

    As per our recent conversation, THIS thread illustrates much ...

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 2:18:03 PM PDT · 319 of 406
    MHGinTN to Boogieman
    Where in the w2orld did you come up with this strawman? ... " If we take this verse to be a description of people in the heavenly kingdom giving birth to babies... "

    The millennial Kingdom is on Earth. If you don't even know that, we are done here. Dissemble to someone else, stooge.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 1:12:33 PM PDT · 313 of 406
    MHGinTN to DouglasKC

    “It’s not biblical, it was not thought of in the early Church...” LOL, tell that to Jesus, Paul, and John. [ See 1 Thess 4:13-18; 1 Cor 15:51-55; John 14:1-3 ]

  • New Fast and Furious emails show Obama administration obstructing Congress

    05/23/2016 1:08:53 PM PDT · 11 of 20
    MHGinTN to george76

    Since the same oligarchs who own Barry Soetoro own the Congress critters, the one needing to be impeached will skate on all criminal activity. Welcome to Amerika of the 21st century, slouching along from the 20th century.

  • Pope and top imam embrace in historic meeting at Vatican

    05/23/2016 12:54:38 PM PDT · 51 of 55
    MHGinTN to servantboy777

    Tom Horn would be smiling at your post ... in the words of that famous sage, Bugs Bunny, ‘Mmm, could be!’

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 12:51:39 PM PDT · 311 of 406
    MHGinTN to FourtySeven

    The earliest believers coined the term ‘maranatha’ to express just what you so eloquently stated!

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 12:42:54 PM PDT · 309 of 406
    MHGinTN to Boogieman
    From an essay by John Feinberg. Try and pat attention to the scripture passages Feinberg cites. It might help you:

    The Church is promised exemption from God's judgmental wrath (1 Thess 1:10; 5:9). But, God's judgmental wrath is poured out during the tribulation.

    Second, as to non-glorified bodies, Scripture shows that some people will enter the millennial kingdom in natural bodies and then give birth to children (Isa 65: 20). Some of those children will rebel against the Lord (Rev 20:7-10). But, people in glorified bodies cannot give birth, nor do they sin. Thus, there must be some people who enter the kingdom in non-glorified bodies. But, everyone who is raptured is glorified. So, if the rapture occurs posttribulationally, it seems that no one is left to enter the millennial kingdom in a nonglorified body.

    Third, given the context of the marriage supper of the lamb as heaven (Rev 19:1-10), followed by the second advent at the end of the tribulation, and given semitic customs surrounding marriage which John most likely would have had in mind as he wrote Revelation 19, it appears that the Church must be in heaven for this event somewhat prior to the end of the tribulation. But, how is one to explain the Church's presence in heaven prior to the second advent?

    Finally, Paul states that all believers must stand before the judgment seat of Christ. At that time our works will be evaluated by Christ and rewarded. But, when is that event most likely to occur? And Paul indicates that seat is in Heaven and the rewards ceremony in Heaven.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 12:22:59 PM PDT · 306 of 406
    MHGinTN to Boogieman

    BTW, on a suggestion, by what other profile names do you post at FR?

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 12:21:08 PM PDT · 305 of 406
    MHGinTN to Boogieman

    There is ample scholarship founded in the scriptures refuting your error, but your mind is closed to any education on the topic so ... have nice day. And BTW, please report me! The mods like adding to their list of grumblers to be watched like government stooges who sidle over here to find and argument if they can raise one. Add yourself to their list. They are seeing our posts as we hit ‘post’.

  • Pope and top imam embrace in historic meeting at Vatican

    05/23/2016 11:55:23 AM PDT · 49 of 55
    MHGinTN to Tennessee Nana

    Are we seeing 2 Thess 2 coming upon us?

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 11:53:15 AM PDT · 303 of 406
    MHGinTN to Boogieman; Lazamataz
    Your reading comprehension is ... slow. The dead at the Rapture, those believers who have died in Christ are brought back in spirit with the Lord and are given alive bodies which are transformed with the others who have not fallen asleep, then ALL the believers, now alive and transformed, are caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. This then is the beginning of the journey to the Father's House, seven years before returning with The Lord to set foot on the Earth and destroy the armies arrayed agains5t Israel's remnant.

    And thanks for the heads-up, Laz. I missed the telltale odor of government stooge the first time through this thread, until well into the two-hundred plus posts and another one surfaced.

  • Pope and top imam embrace in historic meeting at Vatican

    05/23/2016 8:37:26 AM PDT · 43 of 55
    MHGinTN to Zakeet

    LOL

  • Pope and top imam embrace in historic meeting at Vatican

  • Ten Arabic Words: A challenge to national security professionals engaged in the Global War On Terror

    05/23/2016 8:10:13 AM PDT · 64 of 75
    MHGinTN to Travis McGee

    “... then you are being played for a fool by our nation’s most implacable and devious enemies, both foreign and domestic.” We are fools to believe these men like Gen. Betrayus have core value beyond greed and their pride. That’s why the taqiyya works so well, without core values magic thinking substitutes for seeing reality.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 7:34:26 AM PDT · 292 of 406
    MHGinTN to SkyDancer

    Amen to that!

  • Pope and top imam embrace in historic meeting at Vatican

    05/23/2016 7:32:20 AM PDT · 37 of 55
    MHGinTN to I want the USA back

    Was the Imam gauging the width of the man’s neck???

  • Pope and top imam embrace in historic meeting at Vatican

    05/23/2016 7:30:51 AM PDT · 36 of 55
    MHGinTN to headstamp 2

    It is almost as if ‘they’ are under a strong delusion ...

  • Pope and top imam embrace in historic meeting at Vatican

    05/23/2016 7:28:56 AM PDT · 35 of 55
    MHGinTN to Colofornian

    I don’t think ecumenism is the cup of tea for we Inmans ...

  • A Journey Using a Medieval “Map of Hell”

    05/23/2016 7:27:04 AM PDT · 31 of 40
    MHGinTN to GreyFriar

    If you can conceive of it, those in Torment will be so separated from God that He will not even hear their pleas and screams or be aware of their torment.

  • A Journey Using a Medieval “Map of Hell”

    05/23/2016 7:13:52 AM PDT · 30 of 40
    MHGinTN to NYer; Elsie; metmom; Mark17

    What this Lady describes is much more than merely eternal separation from God, from God’s power. It is a place of torment. She, interestingly, appears to say that she was able to command those in torment there, as if she communicated with them. Would these hapless souls be completely separated from God if they are receiving communications from a Nun visiting them, communicating with them? This imagery seems more suited tot he dogma of Purgatory than to the Lake of Fire.

  • The Rapture?

    05/23/2016 7:03:30 AM PDT · 284 of 406
    MHGinTN to SkyDancer; ealgeone; metmom; Mark17; HossB86
    It is more likely that the antichrist will take time to inveigle the folks left after the Rapture. If the End Times are upon us, at the door not in them yet (the Day of The Lord, fifth seal of Revelation stuff), then this one satan will use is already alive and active among the oligarchy.

    In 2 Thess 2, where Paul is explaining to the folks that they cannot be in the Day of The Lord period because certain things that he taught them would hallmark that time have not occurred. That is not saying that certain things must occur before the Rapture, it is saying certain things will occur before the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord.

    The doctrine of imminence is an aspect best not ignored, since Jesus taught it, Peter taught it, and other Apostles appear to have taught it, even Paul. The meaning of imminence is not to be taken as soon, rather it is a notion that something can happen completely without an announcement or sign of it, as in 'the next thing that will happen sometime from now to then'. The Rapture ends the Church Age that Paul referred to as a dispensation of Grace.

    We are told to watch, be alert, anticipate His imminent arrival for us. Paul was not telling the folks to be alert for the arrival of antichrist, he was telling them that they could not be in the Day of The Lord because there are specific things which will happen before that Day is present.

  • Ten Arabic Words: A challenge to national security professionals engaged in the Global War On Terror

    05/22/2016 10:26:06 PM PDT · 56 of 75
    MHGinTN to Travis McGee

    Placemarker for morning coffee read ...

  • The Rapture?

    05/22/2016 10:11:16 PM PDT · 279 of 406
    MHGinTN to free_life
    A point of difference between the Matt 24: 31 gathering and the 1 Thessalonians 4 gathering is that the gathering in Matt 24: 31 appears to be preparatory to the judgment of the sheep and goats (Matt 25:31), and that judgment is preparatory to beginning the kingdom.

    There are many verses between Matt 24:31 and 25:31, they are parables speaking primarily about the need for readiness at the return of the Lord. Chronologically, there is no indication that the events of Matt 25:31 come long after Matt 24:31. The Matt 24:31 gathering seems to precede the judgment of the nations. On the other hand, the gathering to the Lord mentioned in the clear rapture passages does not say this event is preparatory to the judgment of the sheep and goats or to the start of the kingdom. It could be the prelude to those events, but no passages say it does. And, if not connected with the rapture timing, then it is likely that Matt 24:31 and 1 Thessalonians 4 speak of different times and different events.

  • The Rapture?

    05/22/2016 5:45:51 PM PDT · 266 of 406
    MHGinTN to SkyDancer
    There is man-made tribulation (Nero, et al were very adept at that) ... and then there is the wrath of God, not ISIS.

    The Revelation of John reveals The Wrath of God on unbelievers. Could there be any greater insult to God' Grace than to reject the gift of eternal life for believing on Him Whom God sent for our salvation?

  • The Rapture?

    05/22/2016 5:39:16 PM PDT · 264 of 406
    MHGinTN to CpnHook
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/imminency-and-any-moment-rapture

    Had I perceived a discussion could happen this evening, I would have addressed the doctrine of imminency as taught by the early Church Fathers. The linked article might interest you ... or not.

  • The Rapture?

    05/22/2016 8:52:55 AM PDT · 211 of 406
    MHGinTN to CpnHook
    Hello, want to jhoin this exchange? Okay, but I have much to do today that will prevent me from giving quick responses. I'm out of pocket for the next nine hours.

    Paul and Jesus were the first to reveal the mystery of the Rapture to end the Age of the Ekklesia. The Church/Ekklesia will not be in the testing period known as the seventieth week of Daniel, the Time of Jacob's Trouble, The Tribulation, the hour of testing. John later wrote what he was shown regarding these events. So there are three to start with.

    And, btw, why would you want to start an exchange with a closed mind, such as 'I suspect you're going to be shown wanting on this point.' If you need to win something your ego desires, I will bow out now and leave you to your 'victory'.

    I'll check back in late this evening or tomorrow morning, when I get back in town. Have a wonderful day ...

  • The Rapture?

    05/22/2016 8:01:28 AM PDT · 208 of 406
    MHGinTN to free_life

    Are you convinced that the body of believers known now as the Ekklesia will be on earth while the testing happens here and the Jews are evangelizing the human population as the Temple is rebuilt and the sacrifices of blood offerings again made in that Temple?

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 7:59:08 PM PDT · 186 of 406
    MHGinTN to tjd1454

    Matt 24:29-31 is not about the Rapture. In that passage the Angels are sent out to go agathering. In the Rapture an Angel speaks and a trumpet sounds, and there are no angels -plural- going gathering because the Raptured are caught up into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and return to the Father’s House.

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 7:33:59 PM PDT · 184 of 406
    MHGinTN to Seven_0

    Thank you, I’ve been trying to get that cleared up. When Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse, He was teaching His Jewish disciples what would be the final events of the seventieth week of Daniel, a prophecy given to the Jews, not to the Church of believers. we will not be here when the events Jesus describes occur. The testing not aimed at the Ekklesia.

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 7:27:51 PM PDT · 182 of 406
    MHGinTN to free_life
    There are two reasons I keep trying to point you to what Jesus taught His disciples: you keep insisting "Note it does not say caught up and taken to heaven”, but Jesus said that very thing in John 14; you seem unable to grasp that it is Jesus (being GOD) Who revealed the mysteries through Paul that He, JESUS, introduced in the Upper Room Discourse.

    You are correct that Jesus did not use the word harpazo in that Discourse, but it appears you do not want to see that He was referring to what He, through the Holy Spirit, more fully revealed with Paul's writing of things GOD showed him when he was taken up to heaven, as described to the Galatians.

    It is left to a believer to reason these issues out. If you choose to not go any further with them, so be it. pax vobiscum.

    The taking these to Himself and back tot he Father's House, found in John 14 is not something happening after the Tribulation because the Bride returns with Him at the end of the Tribulation and is with Him reigning here during the millennium.

    Several good teachers have pointed to Jesus paralleling the events of the Church Age and the Rapture and the time in Heaven prior to returning tot he earth, paralleling these with the process of the Jewish wedding process. Seeing those parallels might help ...

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 7:02:58 PM PDT · 165 of 406
    MHGinTN to free_life

    A non sequitur among many non sequiturs. Did you read what JESUS said in the Upper Room Discourse (specifically John 14), about coming and taking believers to Himself TO RETURN TO THE FATHER’S HOUSE?

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 6:59:09 PM PDT · 163 of 406
    MHGinTN to daniel1212
    You offered, "... and go on with Him to the battle of Armageddon." Um, that is not what JESUS told His disciples in the Upper Room Discourse. He told them He was going to prepare a place fro them and that He would return to take them to Himself, back to the Father's House to be with Him THERE. Then, at the end of the seven years of Tribulation for the testing of those left upon the earth, We Who have been with Him in HEAVEN return with Him as seen by Jude.

    The blood of Christ has cleansed AAALL those born from above, so they have passed from condemnation unto life and are not standing for Judgment at the Great White Throne. These redeemed return with Jesus to the Earth at the end of the Tribulation. They left when the Church Age ended just before the seventieth week of Daniel.

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 4:31:03 PM PDT · 141 of 406
    MHGinTN to Tennessee Nana

    kerping

  • The Gospel Part 5: Reconciling Faith And Works

    05/21/2016 4:25:07 PM PDT · 46 of 49
    MHGinTN to Tennessee Nana

    Selah!

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 4:10:54 PM PDT · 137 of 406
    MHGinTN to free_life
    John 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” [NIV]
  • Peek Inside Tri Alpha Energy, a Company Pursuing the Ideal Power Source

    05/21/2016 4:02:06 PM PDT · 13 of 13
    MHGinTN to 2ndDivisionVet

    Converting to Thorium reactors would be cheaper, faster, and safer. You can build a Thorium reactor for individual homes, too.

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 3:59:32 PM PDT · 133 of 406
    MHGinTN to SkyDancer

    When Paul penned his letter to the Thessalonians, the destruction of Jerusalem had not yet happened AND the Revelation of John had not been written. It is doubtful that Paul would have referred the Thessalonian believers to something that had not even been written yet. Look for another source as having a ‘last trumpet sound’ ...

  • Sex Robots Are Coming

    05/21/2016 3:41:43 PM PDT · 105 of 112
    MHGinTN to Trillian
    ‘electro gonorrhea’
  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 3:33:03 PM PDT · 128 of 406
    MHGinTN to SkyDancer
    And that, dear One is why the Rapture is not The Second Coming, just as Saul seeing the real Jesus was not a 'second coming'. The Second Coming is an event which the whole world will witness. The Rapture is an event that only those In Christ will see because those in Christ will be transformed in a moment to be like Him thus able to see Him as they rise into the clouds to MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR.

    At the Rapture, believers throughout History will be called out. At the Second touchdown the Angels will go a gathering in preparation of the Jusgment. we Who believe are already judged and born from above, no longer under condemnation. THAT is the Grace of God in Christ. And this born from above group have no distinction between Jew and Gentile. In the Tribulation the distinction will once again be a burden on Jews and those who will not worship the Beast.

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 3:19:23 PM PDT · 125 of 406
    MHGinTN to tjd1454

    Who asked Jesus about the Temple they saw glimmering in the evening sunlight, as they walked from the Temple Mount down the path and up onto the mount of Olives? What was the question asked of Jesus that launched Him into the Olivet Discourse ... and how does that Discourse differ from the Temple Discourse found in Luke’s Gospel which cause the Disciple to ask specifically about the end of the Age?

    Have nice day

  • The Rapture?

    05/21/2016 3:16:04 PM PDT · 123 of 406
    MHGinTN to MHGinTN

    Tired old fingers: ‘ sexond ‘ should be spelled ‘ second ‘.