08/29/2014 2:15:25 PM PDT
· 4 of 11 NYer
to Cry if I Wanna
Arent the Catholic church and the Orthodox churches pretty much the same thing? If I recall they both have mass but the Orthodox mass lasts three times longer. And the Orthodox churches dont believe in Original Sin.
They were the same until the great split in 1054. There are several disagreements including recognition of the pope as "first among equals".
Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective. Because of the particularities of history, there is only one Western Catholic Church, while there are 21 Eastern Catholic Churches. The Western Church, known officially as the Latin Church, is the largest of the Catholic Churches. It is immediately subject to the Roman Pontiff as Patriarch of the West. The Eastern Catholic Churches are each led by a Patriarch, Major Archbishop, or Metropolitan, who governs their Church together with a synod of bishops. Through the Congregation for Oriental Churches, the Roman Pontiff works to assure the health and well-being of the Eastern Catholic Churches.
While this diversity within the one Catholic Church can appear confusing at first, it in no way compromises the Church's unity. In a certain sense, it is a reflection of the mystery of the Trinity. Just as God is three Persons, yet one God, so the Church is 22 Churches, yet one Church.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes this nicely:
"From the beginning, this one Church has been marked by a great diversity which comes from both the variety of God's gifts and the diversity of those who receive them... Holding a rightful place in the communion of the Church there are also particular Churches that retain their own traditions. The great richness of such diversity is not opposed to the Church's unity" (CCC no. 814).
Although there are 22 Churches, there are only eight "Rites" that are used among them. A Rite is a "liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony," (Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, canon 28). "Rite" best refers to the liturgical and disciplinary traditions used in celebrating the sacraments. Many Eastern Catholic Churches use the same Rite, although they are distinct autonomous Churches. For example, the Ukrainian Catholic Church and the Melkite Catholic Church are distinct Churches with their own hierarchies. Yet they both use the Byzantine Rite.
To learn more about the "two lungs" of the Catholic Church, visit this link:
The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15).
A Roman rite Catholic may attend any Eastern Catholic Liturgy and fulfill his or her obligations at any Eastern Catholic Parish. A Roman rite Catholic may join any Eastern Catholic Parish and receive any sacrament from an Eastern Catholic priest, since all belong to the Catholic Church as a whole. I am a Roman Catholic practicing my faith at a Maronite Catholic Church. Like the Chaldeans, the Maronites retain Aramaic for the Consecration. It is as close as one comes to being at the Last Supper.
On the day I was there, the faithful stood in the rain for five hours to venerate the crossto kiss the glassfor about one second before Cathedral aides gently but firmly shoved them on their way. Five hours in the rain for one second of veneration. Meditate on that.
There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist . From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration. St. John Damascene (d. 749), Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar. Quoted from his book On Heresies under the section On the Heresy of the Ishmaelites (in The Fathers of the Church. Vol. 37.
08/29/2014 12:54:00 PM PDT
· 11 of 14 NYer
to AncientAirs; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...
ISLAM AND REASON
In interpreting God's laws, there is a principle in Islamic jurisprudence which states, "Reason is not a legislator." In other words, the only laws that apply to you are the ones God gave you. Reason has no authority or status in creating laws, or even in interpreting them.
The political consequences of such a view are easy to see: If reason is not a legislator, then why have legislatures at all? They have no standing, because reason has no standing.
I hope the Muslims did not build upon land that was one time part of a pig farm.
Actually, the land on which they built their mosque previously served as a Pool supplier. FWIU, there are deep ditches where inground pools had once been constructed. It took them several years to complete the construction; more than likely they employed the services of an engineer to address the problem.
Speaking of pics, the Knights of Columbus have traditionally held a "pig roast" on their slip of property behind the Hall and now in front of the mosque. This year, the pig roast was cancelled. Typical of catholics to show deference for those of other faiths. I would not only have held the pig roast but made a public announcement. I'm sure they would have been packed with guests.
Yes .. I saw that. These are "his" people. You probably noticed yesterday that he plans to send in relief to Iraq, for the Shiite Turkmen, who have been under siege for weeks by Islamic State militants. IOW, "screw the christians".
08/28/2014 3:35:34 PM PDT
· 39 of 66 NYer
to Gay State Conservative; Biggirl
If it arrives in my neighborhood Ill surely be employing the skills the US Army taught me with the M-14 and the M-16.I may go down....but Ill bring a dozen savages with me.
Take a look around ... as I did ... and was stunned to discover they had built a mosque nearby. Of all the available property in this area, they chose to park their 2 minaret mosque ...
directly behind a Knights of Columbus Hall. Meanwhile, in nearby Colonie, a Shia Center has been erected, sandwiched between a Russian Orthodox Church and a Catholic boys High School. Today, I discovered they have built another Islamic Center .. AND ... Islamic School, between Albany and Schenectady.
I am a native New Yorker; grew up downstate in Queens, Long Island, Bronx and worked in Manhattan. I relocated to the Capital District about 20 years ago. In my lifetime, I don't ever recall seeing a mosque. Now, they are all around me. They keep a low profile but their ranks are growing. Not one of these imams expressed any outrage over the beheading of Jim Foley. The one question that plagues me is why to they build their mosques next to christian churches?. This is no coincidence.
These mosques are popping up all over the US. Check your community. You may be as equally surprised at what you discover.
Dear Sister, take heart! We christians in the west are doing our best effort to send you relief through our religious leaders and organizations. As for our political leader, he is directing relief efforts to the muslims. Our prayers are with you!
Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera, Prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Archbishop emeritus of Toledo (Spain), was born on 15 October 1945 in Utiel, Spain. He was ordained a priest on 21 June 1970 and holds a doctorate in theology.
I don't recall the individual's name but the key to his conversion began when he walked into a Catholic Church and saw a poor woman seated next to a wealthy one, both engrossed in prayer. The Catholic Church does not distinguish one from the other. All are welcome and may sit wherever they choose in church.
The resources went into multi-million dollar facilities. Nothing left for the poor.
You have a misinformed understanding of this project. Mother Angelica began this project with only a few dollars, entrusting its outcome to God. I would encourage you to read this book:
Not at all. It was the natural reaction and desire that their children would not have to go through what they did. Completely normal, but this is what the leftist preyed upon. A generation assured that they would not have to stand up and face, possibly, brutal death in the defense of this nation were easy targets for the Marxists.
Agreed. As a member of the post WWII generation, though, I still recall the sacrifices made to ensure we kids would have a brighter future. Then came the VietNam war and the draft. I watched young men, drafted out of HS, be shipped off to serve and return in boxes. Meanwhile, the feminists railed against a male dominated society, psychologists reformed our consciences and liberals rose to power.
Now, thanks to the present administration, our military has been wussified - it's all about political correctness with women and gays in the ranks. We are facing two enemies - the one within and the one without.
The USCCB is enmeshed in the same network of foundations and non-profits that run the rest of America.
Some clarification is required here. Freeper chajin has posed an honest and serious question.
Let's begin with the most basic question ... "what is the USCCB?"
he United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) is an assembly of the hierarchy of the United States and the U.S. Virgin Islands who jointly exercise certain pastoral functions on behalf of the Christian faithful of the United States. The purpose of the Conference is to promote the greater good which the Church offers humankind, especially through forms and programs of the apostolate fittingly adapted to the circumstances of time and place. This purpose is drawn from the universal law of the Church and applies to the episcopal conferences which are established all over the world for the same purpose.
he Conference is organized as a corporation in the District of Columbia. Its purposes under civil law are: "To unify, coordinate, encourage, promote and carry on Catholic activities in the United States; to organize and conduct religious, charitable and social welfare work at home and abroad; to aid in education; to care for immigrants; and generally to enter into and promote by education, publication and direction the objects of its being." source.
IOW, as a body, they oversee various programs with good intentions. They do not make doctrine.
Were Msgr. Charles Pope to be made a bishop, he would be required to attend 2 annual meetings and accept assignment to some committee. When the USCCB issues a communique, it does not necessarily reflect the voices or opinions of all its members. Does this help to address your question?
08/27/2014 9:47:08 AM PDT
· 20 of 27 NYer
to rjsimmon; Biggirl
Allah is the personal name for Mohammed's god.
Christianity predates islam.
Instead, the word "Allah", as a lot of other words, especially words of the religious sphere, was imported from the Syriac (Aramaic) language: "alaha" - with three long a-vowels -, is the Aramaic word for the (Christian) unique God. The last (long) "a" characterizes the status absolutus in the Aramaic language and was duly omitted by the Arabs like case endings in the Arabic vernacular, whereas the understanding of the first syllable of "alaha" as an article was a common misunderstanding like for instance in "al-Iskandar" from Greek "Alexandros" etc. The doubling of the "l" is irrelevant, since the doubling sign is a very late invention of Arabic orthography, centuries after Muhammad.
08/27/2014 6:21:19 AM PDT
· 9 of 27 NYer
to Biggirl; Travis McGee
Allah = SATAN the DEVIL
Actually, "Allah" is Arabic for God. The word derives from Aloho, Aramaic for God. Allah has been used by christians in their liturgies for centuries and was taken by the Muslims. Ironically, in certain parts of the world, the Muslims are now demanding that christians abandon "Allah" from their prayers. There is no alternative word for God in Arabic.
08/27/2014 5:02:58 AM PDT
· 14 of 15 NYer
to philly-d-kidder; Wyrd biÃ° ful arÃ¦d; Arthur McGowan; Salvation
He is a True Shepherd!
The cynical responses are understandable, given what some of us have experienced over the past several decades. It has come as a pleasant and gratifying surprise to watch how Pope Francis has replaced some of the most "progressive" US bishops, with solid, orthodox, bishops. In the nearby diocese of Rochester NY, the new bishop recently announced that lay people may no longer deliver homilies. The surprising aspect of this is that it had been going on for 40 years!!! That is the equivalent of 2 generations of catholics who were shocked to learn that it had always been forbidden.
I would strongly suggest that cynics, rather than view these announcements with skepticism, commit themselves to prayer for these new shepherds. Some of them are faced with the daunting challenge of undoing the knots of frivolity created by their predecessors, in a manner that clarifies doctrine without losing poorly catechized parishioners.