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Posts by OldDeckHand

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  • Patti LaBelle Update: Beaten Cadet Sues Airport Worker Who Allegedly Squealed to West Point

    06/23/2011 1:33:27 PM PDT · 52 of 91
    OldDeckHand to JohnG45
    "I'll await your citations. "

    You'll be waiting a LONG time. I would give a prick like you the time of day.

  • Patti LaBelle Update: Beaten Cadet Sues Airport Worker Who Allegedly Squealed to West Point

    06/23/2011 1:14:19 PM PDT · 44 of 91
    OldDeckHand to JohnG45
    Why do I get the feeling you're a douche-bag?

    Why don't you read the whole thread before making snide comments.

  • Patti LaBelle Update: Beaten Cadet Sues Airport Worker Who Allegedly Squealed to West Point

    06/23/2011 1:02:10 PM PDT · 40 of 91
    OldDeckHand to reed13

    I’m sorry, I should have said “code of conduct” and not “honor code”.

  • Patti LaBelle Update: Beaten Cadet Sues Airport Worker Who Allegedly Squealed to West Point

    06/23/2011 12:59:07 PM PDT · 38 of 91
    OldDeckHand to T-Bird45
    "Link???"

    I actually read that in a hard-copy paper - one of the military papers, either Stars & Stripes or perhaps Military Times.

    With respect to the BAC, I mention just above that I'm not sure how the Academy came to be in possession of that test. It's possible that they simply asked the cadet to provide it, or he volunteered the information. Remember, when you're a member of a service academy, lying is just as bad (and maybe worse) as any infraction. I believe it's rule number one - don't lie.

    And, as you point out, it's possible that he lied about consuming the booze, and then the Academy read the police report that decried the cadet as smelling of alcohol. However, I don't think that's likely because if he was expelled for lying, it's not likely that they would have been so immediately agreeable to reinstatement in 18-months, which they clearly have been.

  • Patti LaBelle Update: Beaten Cadet Sues Airport Worker Who Allegedly Squealed to West Point

    06/23/2011 12:52:08 PM PDT · 35 of 91
    OldDeckHand to Kenny Bunk
    "That ain't "drunk."

    I'm not going to disagree with you. It has always been my experience that the service academies won't punish public drunkenness in civilian areas unless that behavior rises to a criminal charge (or arrest causing the cadet to miss time). I don't believe that happened here.

    Instead, somehow a blood alcohol test was administered and the results of that test was provided to the Academy. How that happened has yet to be publicly explained. It's odd. And, I agree about the ridiculous policy about the BDUs (or as the Navy and Marines call them, cammies). They're fine for garrison, but outside of garrison, you should be wearing your service uniform. In this regard, the Marines have always had a much more (I think) respectable policy of NOT allowing Marines to wear cammies off base, except when in the course of an official duty that prescribed cammies.

  • Patti LaBelle Update: Beaten Cadet Sues Airport Worker Who Allegedly Squealed to West Point

    06/23/2011 12:30:19 PM PDT · 19 of 91
    OldDeckHand to Hodar
    "Finally, why would West Point expell a student who claims to have been attacked?"

    The service academies have "honor codes" or "honor concepts" in the case of the navy that forbid public drunkenness. I have read that the cadet was over the legal limit, which I have also read was confirmed by a BAC test when he received medical treatment at the hospital. Whether or not he did or did not start the donnybrook, the fact that he was publicly drunk (allegedly) would have been enough to expel him if command wanted to expel him.

    Having said all that, it seem like the Academy overreacted, and possibly overreacted because of information provided by Rasmussen. Also, the other element(s) of this suit aren't necessarily dependent on the cadet's inebriated state. Drunk or not, you cannot assault someone, and you can't assault someone just because he may have said something provocative or even insulting.

    The Cadet (now enlisted man), will be able to reapply for admission in 18-months and it's likely that application will be accepted irrespective of the outcome of this civil suit. Even his superiors at West Point have said on the record that he was an otherwise excellent cadet.

  • A Texas judge declares spanking a child a crime

    06/23/2011 8:54:04 AM PDT · 24 of 39
    OldDeckHand to Protect the Bill of Rights
    "Leaving marks on the bottom of a 2 year old is not a spanking. It is a beating."

    I think this is the part that is overlooked by people. Since this story broke, the prosecutor released via email a statement that more completely described the events of the plea agreement. Apparently, the medical evidence demonstrated convincingly that their were bruises on the child's lower back and bottom. I don't know how anyone can say that bruising a child (a child who isn't even yet two) isn't abuse. Of course it's abuse.

    As for the judges editorial comments - they were just that - editorial comments at sentencing. Judges, especially municipal and county judges (those that are elected) say all kinds of stupid things at sentencing. Those comments don't have any legal consequence. It's just the editorial (not legal) opinion of the bench.

  • No use of Sharia or foreign law in Texas courts

    06/23/2011 8:49:06 AM PDT · 11 of 21
    OldDeckHand to ShadowAce
    "It needs to go further—no foreign law of any kind is to be considered for any purpose when deciding legal matters in the US."

    Sure, that's brilliant. That's exactly what we should be doing in an era of double-digit unemployment, a cratering dollar and anemic economic growth - erecting even more barriers to international trade.

    Do I need the sarcasm tag?

  • Ryan Dunn Fatal Crash - Can Porsche be sued?

    06/22/2011 11:39:02 PM PDT · 50 of 63
    OldDeckHand to The Antiyuppie
    "I don’t think that insurance will cover that person’s survivor claims against the estate."

    Sure, the claims against the estate for negligent driving (drunk and reckless operation, both crimes), the insurance company will have to pay. There's not a state in the union that insulates insurance companies from DUI liability claims from victim's. In fact, this is reason that states mandate liability insurance - to pay the claims of victims.

    There is a chance that the driver's estate's claim would go unpaid, and the claim to replace the vehicle would (might) go unpaid.

    Think about the libality insurance you carry on your own home - if you own a home and have a liability rider for you home policy - which most people do - if someone dies in your home from your criminal negligence, then that liability insurance still pays the victim of your crime (criminal negligence). Criminal Act Exclusions are designed to keep the perpetrator from financially benefiting from his crime. They are not designed to insulate insurance companies from the claims of victims.

  • Ryan Dunn Fatal Crash - Can Porsche be sued?

    06/22/2011 10:35:18 PM PDT · 42 of 63
    OldDeckHand to The Antiyuppie
    "Almost any conventional insurance policy states in the “fine print” that there is no coverage if the vehicle is used during the commission of a crime."

    While it's true most (virtually all) insurance policies - both standard liability and automobile insurance policies - contain what is known as a Crime Act Exclusion clause, most (but not necessarily all) will pay for a damages even when convicted of a DUI.

    There are exceptions written in for DUIs in some policies to especially include high-risk policies.

    Of course, you're very likely to get cancelled as a result of an at fault DUI accident.

  • With WaPo Approval, Illegal Alien Reporter Used Fake ID to Report From White House

    06/22/2011 10:19:40 PM PDT · 101 of 107
    OldDeckHand to kristinn

    It’s against federal law to knowingly hire, or to continue to employ an illegal alien. With this admission, he has implicated his employer - the Washington Post - in at least one federal crime, and perhaps several federal crime.

    I wonder if they’ll be an investigation and prosecution? /sarcasm

  • Psychologists find link between ovulation and women's ability to identify heterosexual men

    06/22/2011 10:15:21 PM PDT · 19 of 25
    OldDeckHand to Pharmboy
    To the people asking who much this cost and who paid for it, I would say that just by reading the abstract of the study, it's pretty clear it was done on the cheap. We aren't talking about a survey of thousands over multiple countries or states. We're talking about a survey of roughly 100 on a college campus. Simply, it's the kind of study a grad student does for his/her doctoral dissertation.

    To the extent that there was any cost at all however, it's not hard to imagine who would like to finance it - gays. The import of the survey suggests that homosexuality manifests itself not just in behavior, but in other physiological and/or anatomical characteristics. That would further suggest that homosexuality isn't a choice, but a biological disposition. You can imagine how such a survey would benefit homosexuals, politically.

  • Tobey Maguire Sued Over Multi-Million Dollar Illegal Poker Game; DiCaprio, Affleck & Damon Involved.

    06/22/2011 6:44:16 PM PDT · 26 of 27
    OldDeckHand to Qbert
    "I’m sure all the Hollywood leftists reported this income to the IRS "

    I have absolutely no doubt that the IRS is coming through the tax returns of all those named. From what I understand, Maguire actually accepted a check for payment of a marker he gave to this guy. I'm not sure if anyone else was that stupid. It was probably a (for the most part) cash business, which would make it a bit more problematic for the IRS - not impossible, but problematic.

  • Tobey Maguire Sued Over Multi-Million Dollar Illegal Poker Game; DiCaprio, Affleck & Damon Involved.

    06/22/2011 6:42:05 PM PDT · 25 of 27
    OldDeckHand to Mr. Bird; SJSAMPLE
    "Even if we are to stipulate that the embezzled funds were used in a poker game, once they hit the table, they were gone"

    Actually, not exactly. I won't bore you with the legal finer points, but in law there is something known as an "ill-gotten gain". This would be that. Gambling like this in California is illegal. In fact, it's a felony.

    "How do you know Maguire did not subsequently "lose" that money to another person at the table?"

    For the purposes of this discussion, whatever Maguire did with the funds once he received them, is irrelevant. He still benefited from the ill-gotten gains. "This is unlike Madoff's ponzi scheme."

    To an extent. If the Feds could have proved that Madoff used those monies in another illegal enterprise, and the other party to the transaction knew it was an illegal enterprise (and in some instances, even if the other party didn't know), the money could be recovered under the same principle.

    The plain legal truth is that Maguire is in a corner and he'll probably be on the hook for this cash. The reason the others aren't named in the suit is probably because they weren't stupid enough to accept a check like Maguire was.

    If other checks do surface, you can bet you'll see additional defendants added to the complaint.

  • Vikings, Ramsey County to announce apparent stadium deal

    05/10/2011 1:55:47 PM PDT · 30 of 69
    OldDeckHand to dfwgator
    "Exactly. It’s no coincidence they haven’t been back to the Super Bowl since moving indoors."

    Besides the Saints and the Colts, has any other domed team won the Superbowl? Not that I can think of.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 1:48:59 PM PDT · 221 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Will Escott
    "You are misusing Wong Kim Ark and you are wrong."

    Sure, me and the three-judge panel of the Indiana Court of Appeals is "wrong".

    That's very believable. /s

    Look, you're entitled to your very strange opinion, but if you're going to opine that someone is wrong, perhaps that will carry a bit more weight if you can provide some supporting evidence of that opinion, preferably a court decision or two would be nice.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 1:34:27 PM PDT · 215 of 661
    OldDeckHand to justiceseeker93
    "If you had loyalties elsewhere by being born to one parent who was a citizen of a foreign country, regardless of where you were born, you can not be president."

    See Post #158. The Indiana Court of Appeals, the only US court to offer an opinion on the merits of this question, disagree. A unanimous held...

    Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person "born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject" at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those "born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens

    I understand that you probably disagree with the finding of the court, but so far, that's the only legal opinion where comment on the merits of this issue have been offered as the central legal holding of a case.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 1:33:53 PM PDT · 214 of 661
    OldDeckHand to rolling_stone
    "“subject to the jurisdiction” is not settled law."

    Well, ignoring Plyler v Doe argumentum, what is SETTLED law is the context of how that phrase is applied in Ark. And in Ark, the Court says...

    "The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

    If Ark - a child with no citizen-parents is a US citizen, and he CLEARLY IS, then Obama is a US citizen. Any argument to the contrary is absurd.
  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 1:15:54 PM PDT · 209 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Will Escott
    "There would not be an amended BC in HI if the adoption happened in Indonesia"

    Yes, I agree entirely. THAT was the point I was making. Some people are claiming that Obama's purported birth certificate is fraudulent because it doesn't show his Indonesian adoption. My point was, because of HI law, that Indonesian adoption wouldn't have been reflected in Obama's original birth records unless his mother and step-father moved legally to change those records.

    "Obama, Sr, was a Kenyan citizen, so Kenyan law might matter but HI law would not have anything to do with anything."

    How can the law of the place of one's birth "not have anything to do with it"?

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 1:11:15 PM PDT · 206 of 661
    OldDeckHand to rolling_stone
    "What happened to her passport records, to be in the Philippines in 1964 she needed a passport. Got it?

    Yes, I got "it". You think that this is important for some reason. Of course, you have yet to explain what possible relevance this has for Obama's citizenship.

    Since 1898, the citizenship status of the parents of a person born on US soil and subject to the jurisdiction thereof is irrelevant to that person's own US citizenship. It's settled law.

    What else would her missing passport records show?"

    Who cares? Whatever it shows or doesn't show has no bearing on Obama.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 1:04:40 PM PDT · 198 of 661
    OldDeckHand to bgill
    "You're right, except that information could very well lead to exactly what his citizenship status is. "

    Probably not. As I cited in a previous post to another person, it is extremely difficult to lose one's citizenship status. Irrespective of what you do, you must do "it" with the intent of expatriating yourself to actually be viewed as expatriating yourself.

    See Post #66 for the relevant cites, and pay particular attentions to the following paragraphs at 8 USC...

    "...A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality..."

    Thousands of American Jews who enjoy dual-US/Israeli citizenship actually have been members of the Israeli army and HAVE NOT lost their US citizenship. Why, because they didn't intend to forsake their US citizenship and that's the legal standard - intent.

    And, there is a Supreme Court case that held fighting for Japan during WWII against the US didn't automatically forfeit American citizenship, if that citizenship was obtained at birth.

    More information can be found at...

    Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Citizenship and Dual Nationality

    ..but, the relevnat section is this...

    The premise that a person intends to retain U.S. citizenship is not applicable when the individual:
    formally renounces U.S. citizenship before a consular officer;
    serves in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities with the United States;
    takes a policy level position in a foreign state; is convicted of treason; or
    performs an act made potentially expatriating by statute accompanied by conduct which is so inconsistent with retention of U.S. citizenship that it compels a conclusion that the individual intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship. (Such cases are very rare.)

    It's very, very hard to lose your citizenship unless you want to lose your citizenship.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 12:49:30 PM PDT · 185 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Red Steel; Fantasywriter
    Sorry champ, but if anyone is a "sucker" here, it's you.

    Who am I to believe, World Nut Daily's story, or my "lying ears". Corsi's OWN words captured for eternity in that Alex Jones interview, are self-evident.

    No matter how much he tried to walk those statements back later (IF he tried to walk them back), he still made those statements.

    How can one be "smeared" by their own words? Res ipsa loquitu

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 12:18:46 PM PDT · 166 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Red Steel
    "Earth to ODH, I already seen the video since I already posted what transpired in the interview at 141."

    I don't know how anyone can listen to that interview, especially the entire relevant comments, and not conclude that Corsi is a truther. He says...

    For me, Alex, what really tips the scale, is you've got science that the conventional hypothesis doesn't explain...that's what rattles the cage".

    That's what he says. Verbatim.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 12:13:24 PM PDT · 164 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer; Jim Robinson
    "Why do you keep calling Jim a liar?"

    Why do you keep acting so patently dishonestly?

    You have issued straw man argument after straw man argument. It's beyond contemptible and beneath ANYONE who describes themselves as conservative.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Everyone is an entitled to an opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts. In this case, the facts and the LAW as it exists today ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR.

    The ONLY WAY to remove a sitting president is through impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 12:10:18 PM PDT · 162 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Plummz
    "Why do you hate America?"

    Why do you hate intelligence?

    Failing to answer the question must mean that you love stupidity, ignorance and intellectual vacancy. Just saying.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 12:06:06 PM PDT · 159 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Red Steel
    "And your argument comes from the Lefty Loonies at Soros Media Matters. I explained what transpired in that interview accurately. "

    No, my argument comes for Corsi's OWN WORDS in a interview that is available for review on YOUTUBE.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 12:03:17 PM PDT · 158 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    "Prove it, because if so, "

    Prove it? Seriously, are you that obtuse? Now you're arguing that Barack Obama Sr. is not the father? Good Lord.

    'he is NOT a natural born citizen, is he? "

    Ah, yep, he is. There is not a single US court case that has held that to qualify as a natural-born citizen, both parents must be American citizens. It's just more blather in birtherland.

    There is however, a case that holds...

    "Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person "born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject" at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those "born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens"

    emphasis added

    Gee, how about that?

    The interpretation of the 14A by the courts couldn't be clearer. If you can come up with a Supreme Court case, Appellate Case or state case that says otherwise, please share it with everyone, won't you?

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 11:51:03 AM PDT · 149 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Red Steel
    So, your defense of Jerome Corsi as a 9/11 Truther is - "Well, he's not really a 9/11 Truther, he just thinks that two planes flying at 550MPH couldn't have fallen the WTC, like the government said they did"?

    If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. I've listened to the Alex Jones interview. Corsi is a quack.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 11:46:15 AM PDT · 147 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    "Irrelevent to you?"

    Irrelevant as a matter of law.

    "and you are going to continue to fight us FReepers on our deeply held beliefs? "

    I'm going to continue to fight FOR sanity, common sense, rationality and factual accuracy. It's not my problem that you seem to be on the opposite end of ALL of those principles.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 11:44:07 AM PDT · 146 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Plummz
    "Why do you hate America? "

    Why do you hate intelligence?

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 11:42:15 AM PDT · 144 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    'The fact is, there is not one single document in all of his INS documents where he himself has acknowledged having a child with Stanley Ann Dunham! "

    First, I have no idea what the "facts" are regarding Obama's INS record, and neither do you. But, what does that alleged INS file have to do with Hawaiian law? Nothing, nada, zip, zero zilch.

    Barack Obama's Sr.'s name IS on that birth certificate, and he was married to Obama's mother. THAT is ALL he needs to be exist for Obama's father to be the one of the two legal parent - per HI law and PER US constitutional law (Armstrong v. Manzo).

    Signature, no signature, footprint, no footprint - it's all IRRELEVANT. Barack Obama Sr. was Barack Obama's Jr's LEGAL natural father. It can't be any more simple. I

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 11:04:22 AM PDT · 131 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    Every one of those questions is wholly irrelevant.

    To date, not a single court has moved to take this issue up. And, in every understanding of existing US statutory and constitutional law, the ONLY way to remove a sitting president is by impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate.

    I'm sorry you're either too obtuse to understand these very elementary American jurisprudential concepts, or too argumentative to care.

    Personally, I agree with Mark Levin on this issue. Period.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 11:00:24 AM PDT · 130 of 661
    OldDeckHand to bluecat6
    "But did Obama even KNOW he had a son? "

    First, keep in mind the context in which we're debating this issue - the question being discussed is "Was Obama adopted in Indonesia, and if so, why doesn't his HI birth certificate that was released, reflect that adoption"

    In that context, it doesn't matter if Obama's father did or did not know about his own son's birth, ever really. All that matters is how Hawaiian law viewed Barack Obama as Jr's legal parent. If they were married in the eyes of the HI law, which seems clear that they were, and Sr's name is on the birth certificate, and clearly it was, then Stanly Ann Dunham would have had to sue to terminate her ex-husband's parental rights before a step-parent adoption could have been recognized by HI law - which would then have allowed a HI judge to issue a court order to amend the birth certificate.

    There is absolutely no evidence any of that happened.

    And, BTW, even if ALL of that did happen, it would have had absolutely no impact on Obama's citizenship status as he CLEARLY returned to the US WELL before attaining the age of majority, which by any account would have FULLY preserved his US citizenship.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 10:50:30 AM PDT · 126 of 661
    OldDeckHand to bluecat6
    "So SAD in Philippines in 1964???? Why?"

    How is the travel agenda of Obama's mother relevant to OBama's citizenship? Where she was in 1964, or why she was there, is immaterial to her son's citizenship, is it not?

    "Pregnancy termination? After all one baby for a single mom in 1964 had to be hard. Two?"

    Why would a woman who had family in HI, and was herself living off and on in HI, leave HI - one of the few states during the 1960s where abortion was legal - to travel to the Philippines to have an abortion? And, was abortion even legal in the Philippines? As catholic and Muslim as that country was and is, I would doubt it, highly.

    Again, I don't think it has any relevance on Obama's citizenship, but I am fascinated by your logic.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 10:40:56 AM PDT · 122 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    "So do out of state students. Who paid for his expensive schooling and travels all over the world? "

    Don't know, don't care. Wherever he traveled, and whomever paid for it or his education, has absolutely no legal bearing on his American citizenship statutes.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 10:39:42 AM PDT · 120 of 661
    OldDeckHand to danamco
    "WHO was the co-author of the "Swift-Boat" book, and WHAT did that accomplished, hmmm??? "

    Whatever he authored, and whatever you think it accomplished, it doesn't change the fact that he's a 9/11 Truther - the lowest of the low, the scummiest of the scummy.

  • U.S. Reminds Schools of Obligations to Immigrant Students

    05/10/2011 10:35:27 AM PDT · 37 of 47
    OldDeckHand to poobear
    "But these illegals had better have to come up with something other than a first name, two last names and a fogged mirror in front of their face!"

    In this regard, Plyler is crystal clear - illegals enjoy equal public school access as any citizen or legal resident. BUT, citizens and legal residents must also prove legal school district residency, so illegals must as well - that would be equal treatment.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 10:23:32 AM PDT · 104 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    'troll that likes to spout nonsense."

    Sure, if by case law citations, statury law citations and other evidence of legal authority, then sure - I spout "nonsense".

    You are a VERY entertaining person, but not in the good way. Just saying.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 10:21:01 AM PDT · 101 of 661
    OldDeckHand to bluecat6
    Substitute "name" for "signature". Barack Obama Sr. is - QUITE CLEARLY - listed as the father on the birth record.

    Obama is married to Dunham and his name his on the birth certificate, and as such, he was the natural legal father.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 10:10:28 AM PDT · 95 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    'Are you implying that Jerome Corsi somehow was able to get into those original files at INS and insert forged memos? "

    I'm not "implying" anything. I'm simply stating a fact - Jerome Corsi has made this very allegation.

    Jerome Corsi is a 9/11 Truther. It's my opinion that anything that comes out of his pie hole should be ignored with great prejudice. It's entirely unbelievable.

  • U.S. Reminds Schools of Obligations to Immigrant Students

    05/10/2011 9:59:34 AM PDT · 34 of 47
    OldDeckHand to poobear
    "Then why did I have to prove my residency for my school district with my home closing papers, a copy of my child’s birth certificate, her up to date immunizations, copy of a light bill, phone bill, etc. Did I leave anything out?"

    You had to provide your birth certificate to prove your age, not your citizenship. Your other documents were to prove that you reside inside the boundaries of the school district itself - all of these things are allowable under Plyler. But, as others have pointed out, since Plyler v. Doe, their may not be a test of citizenship or immigration status to be enrolled in public school.

    Yes, it's a horrible law, but for the time being, it's the law of the land.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 9:48:22 AM PDT · 85 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Brown Deer
    'Obviously not, he just likes to spout nonsense."

    Is what someone might say if they can't make an otherwise intelligent comment.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 9:43:45 AM PDT · 83 of 661
    OldDeckHand to kiltie65
    "The definite possible advantage of claiming foreign citizenship while going to college is Foreign Aid funds to attend college on the U.S. dime."

    My wife is a college professor. Her university actively recruits foreign students. Why? Because they pay FULL PRICE. With the exception of Mexican students, there is very little aid available to them (foreign students). This "foreign aid" meme is a canard.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 9:28:49 AM PDT · 72 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Tennessee Nana
    "2. I’m not a guy...I’m a girl.."

    The "guy" is Jerome Corsi - it's his claim and he's selling a book.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 9:25:17 AM PDT · 69 of 661
    OldDeckHand to bluecat6
    "You have to acknowledge the child to have those!"

    His signature is on the birth certificate. How can it be reasonably argued that isn't an "acknowledgement" of the child's birth?

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 9:19:35 AM PDT · 66 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Greenperson; okie01
    "You’re simply wrong. A person with multiple citizenships, who takes an affirmative step to claim a foreign citizenship AFTER the age of majority, has himself renounced his US citizenship. "

    If you're going to assert that someone is "simply wrong", you had better make sure that you're (first) "simply right". In this case, you aren't.

    Don't believe me? I would recommend reading the Supreme Court case KAWAKITA V. UNITED STATES, 343 U. S. 717 (1952). In it, the Court holds that "A US citizen owes allegiance to the United States and can be punished for treasonable acts voluntarily committed regardless of dual nationality or citizenship.".

    In this case, defendant was arguing that he was no longer a US citizen and subject to trial for treason, because when he fought for the Japanese during WWII, that was a de facto renunciation of his American citizenship.

    There are other cases, like Perkins v. Elg and Mandoli v. Acheson that directly refute your claim. There are tens-of-thousands of US citizens that have both US and foreign passports, most of which were obtained either through dual-citizenship at birth, or acquired via naturalization in a foreign country as a minor child - like Obama.

    Hey, don't take my word for it, read the relevant US statute, 8 USC § 1481 for yourself. It is VERY difficult to expatriate yourself from America without the express intent of expatriation.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 8:59:40 AM PDT · 59 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Tennessee Nana
    "Source ???"

    Source? LOL - You have offered a host of ridiculously absurd comments had not offered a SINGLE legal cite. Puhleeze.

    "INS didnt believe Obama SR..."

    Says a gut who's trying to sell a book. Imagine that.

    Here are the facts - Barack Obama's father was listed on his birth certificate. Barack Obama Sr and Stanley Ann Dunham were married in the US prior to Obama Jr's birth.

    Was Obama already married to someone else? Who knows and who cares. It's irrelevant in the context of this discussion. Why? Because Obama was never convicted of bigamy, nor had Dunham presented the issue to court to have her marriage declared void ab initio. Instead, she elected to pursue a standard divorce. Again, why? Because she wouldn't find out that Sr. never divorced from his first wife until "years later".

    "in 1961 only the mother would have had any “rights”” over Barry"

    In 1961, in most states, the unmarried mother would only have the presumption of custodial rights. That doesn't mean the father who's listed on the birth certificate wouldn't have any parental rights. But, whatever the status of the parental rights of a unwed father were or were not in 1960s Haiwaii, is WHOLLY irrelevant to this situation. Why? Because in the eyes of the state of HI, Barack Obama Sr. was the natural father.

    "Obama SR didnt havew anty rights to lose"

    You might want to read Armstrong v. Manzo, 380 U.S. 545 (1965). It's instructive here.

    '1. In 1961 a legally unrelated/unmarried man would not have been signing a BC...no marriage certificate"

    Citation?

    And, whatever the accuracy of that HIGHLY dubious claim may (or may not) be, it's again irrelevant to this situation as Dunham and Obama were married in HI, and that marriage was presumptively valid until a court declared otherwise. Do you have any evidence that a court voided that marriage prior to either Obama's birth, or Obama's alleged adoption by his step-parent.

    I'll give birthers credit for this - they are some of the most wildly creative people alive.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 7:19:12 AM PDT · 47 of 661
    OldDeckHand to Tennessee Nana
    "That would require Obama SR to be recognized as the legal father with rights... That never happened...there was no jurisdiction over Barry’s life..."

    Obama Sr. is listed as the biological father on the birth certificate. He is, at common law, entitled to some parental rights even in 1961. Married or not married at the time of birth, Obama's mother must have sued to terminate Obama's Sr. Parental rights before any adoption can be recognized by the state of HI. Because Obama Sr. legally claimed his parental rights with his signature on that birth certificate, those rights cannot be terminated absent due process - i.e. Court Order. To amend Obama's birth certificate, she would have had to provide one of two things to the state - a death certificate of Obama Sr., or a court order either voluntarily or involuntarily terminating Obama Sr's rights.

    "There appears to be no comradery between the 2...emotional or physical.."

    Whatever "comradery" [sic] there was or wasn't is wholly immaterial to Obama Sr's parental rights that he asserted with the his representation as the biological father on the birth certificate.

  • Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

    05/10/2011 6:56:37 AM PDT · 46 of 661
    OldDeckHand to itsahoot
    "You use hyperbole to confuse issues that require only common sense, which you seem to have lost all together."

    Hyperbole? That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

    Not only have I not offered a single hyperbolic statement, I have provided the relevant case cites as evidence of my position.

    The citizenship statutes or constitutional entitlements of other countries have absolutely no bearing on US citizenship. The case law in matters concerning citizenship are so elementary, even a 1L could argue them in court. And, not only is the law simple to understand, it has been the law for over 110-years.

  • Mac Vs Dell: In search of the detail laptop

    05/09/2011 10:40:45 PM PDT · 62 of 123
    OldDeckHand to This Just In
    "Music Composition major"

    I would definitely check with the school, because it's probably likely that they have a software package that they use in classroom activities, and I'd wager that software is probably MAC-based.