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  • And That’s the Way It Was: In 1972, Cronkite Warned of ‘New Ice Age’

    03/05/2015 9:27:28 AM PST · 20 of 22
    palmer to HomerBohn

    “They have tried to erase the inconvenient history which ironically blamed extreme weather like tornadoes, droughts, record cold and blizzards on global cooling”

    Not just ironic. It is true. Read the Little Ice Age by Fagan. It explains how mild and tranquil weather turned cold and stormy worldwide. Fagan is somewhat of a bedwetting global warming alarmist, but not as bad as some.

  • Analysis: Is Scott Walker Wimpy on the Abortion Issue?

    03/05/2015 7:51:11 AM PST · 8 of 21
    palmer to Menthops
    Why even take a chance with Walker

    Because a governor can win more easily than a Senator.

  • When Two Boys Kissed on Primetime TV

    03/05/2015 7:41:43 AM PST · 16 of 85
    palmer to Kaslin
    This was confirmed to me by a very liberal minded middle school teacher who told me about a 12-year-old boy who came out as gay in her class, only to come to her the next day and say, “I think I made a mistake. Can I take it back?”

    That was not just from political correctness pressure (most kids don't care), not just peer pressure (although that is stronger), but sexual predation. It is rather simple since the act of homosexuality is sexual. There is nothing more to it. That kid is a victim, but the stupid liberal teacher will not see it.

  • Europe considers new proposals to create tiered internet service

    03/05/2015 6:17:24 AM PST · 12 of 12
    palmer to Democrat_media
    make the Internet better for them

    That's the key. No interest in making it better or more useful for everyone. I prefer not to watch any TV, movies, etc. Occasional sports but the commercials are awful and the sportsmen are often not good either. People can choose differently but they should not assume that the internet is built out enough for everyone to stream whatever they want. It is not. They should not assume that their cable company is to blame. They should not assume that $60 (for internet, not the TV portion) is adequate to build it out.

  • Europe considers new proposals to create tiered internet service

    03/05/2015 3:05:57 AM PST · 8 of 12
    palmer to palmer

    Need to come up with a clearer tagline

  • Europe considers new proposals to create tiered internet service

    03/05/2015 3:02:35 AM PST · 7 of 12
    palmer to grundle
    Well duh

    I have said all along that net "neutrality" is about nothing more than Obama flooding in the internet with streaming HD drivel. There is no need for him to censor stuff he doesn't like or anything that crude. The internet gets around censorship anyway, see China and Iran

    Might as well call it for what it is: FlixNet. You can everything you want until everyone runs out of bandwidth, as long as it is Netflix (or Google youtube, etc). in the beginning I got some pushback from some Freepers, some even claimed a right to unlimited Netflix as if the infrastructure is built out enough for everyone to stream whatever they want. Now I get a few legitimate arguments for How-to videos and other useful content. Note however, that those do not need to be streamed. They could be downloaded more slowly then watched when the download completes.

  • China and US clash over software backdoor proposals

    03/05/2015 2:52:19 AM PST · 2 of 2
    palmer to WhiskeyX
    It also suggested the West was guilty of having double standards.

    And China has its triple standards, etc.

  • Martin O'Malley sticks with Plan A: try to upend Hillary Clinton

    03/04/2015 4:46:55 PM PST · 33 of 33
    palmer to Hugin
    The video at the link said he was term limited out, no?

    His hand-picked successor was 15 points up in the polls until Obama came to campaign for him. Lost to the R. It really was O'Malley's loss.

  • Hillary's email server traced to Internet service registered to NY home

    03/04/2015 9:19:49 AM PST · 44 of 45
    palmer to Liz

    Thanks for the ping.

  • Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

    03/04/2015 4:20:01 AM PST · 37 of 48
    palmer to Travis McGee

    If it is only state dept sending and receiving on their own server, then the email never touches the internet. So those would be somewhat safer than external emails.

  • Hillary Clinton's use of private email address while Secretary of State draws scrutiny

    03/04/2015 4:17:36 AM PST · 35 of 35
    palmer to Liz

    Why did your other thread get pulled?

  • Obama pressing for federal control of local police

    03/04/2015 3:51:39 AM PST · 33 of 82
    palmer to pepsionice
    Living in Europe, I've observed how the federal ownership of law enforcement works, and won't complain about it.

    Well your complaints about US locally controlled policing are mainly red herrings. There are a few bad cops and they get press especially here, but there are more bad TSA than bad local cops. There is good training in some localities and if you don't like the training in yours, you can advocate more or you can move.

    Turning over all US cops to federal authority is an idea beyond bad. Imagine the BATF doing every domestic violence case. Imagine the IRS/FBI collecting local sales taxes from "tax evaders". Back in the bad old days there was federally run drug smuggling operation near me. There was just one local cop corrupted (that I know of), but that corruption came from above.

    The reason the Europeans put up the Gestapo is the same reason they give in to most other forms of authority and will continue to do so until the next conflagration there.

  • Here Are the 75 House Republicans Who Conceded the Immigration Fight

    03/03/2015 4:03:57 PM PST · 17 of 85
    palmer to maggief
    12. Comstock

    You can thank the Leviathan for that vote. The federal government and government contractors own her.

  • Obama "Very Interested" In Raising Taxes Through Executive Action

    03/03/2015 7:14:21 AM PST · 71 of 75
    palmer to amnestynone
    But I do believe in soaking the people who destroying our border smearing us in the media and spending all of the money.

    Ok, how are you going to structure taxes to do that? I could see if you advocated higher fines for hiring illegals, etc. But all you are proposing is higher taxes.

  • Obama "Very Interested" In Raising Taxes Through Executive Action

    03/03/2015 7:08:43 AM PST · 69 of 75
    palmer to plain talk
    The fed has artificially forced rates so low there is nowhere else for money to go

    Some truth but too simple. The Fed buys securities from banks who create them by churning mortgages, etc. That is a direct cash spigot from the Fed to the banks (one of many).

  • Obama "Very Interested" In Raising Taxes Through Executive Action

    03/03/2015 7:07:22 AM PST · 68 of 75
    palmer to amnestynone
    It was all a con game.

    So that makes it ok to go back to a soak the rich tax structure? You do not apparently understand the nature of income and taxes. The people who do well at creating a small business and jobs have income. The people who scheme and scam have no income just royalties, dividends, etc. And no, the answer is no taxing dividends as income.

  • Obama "Very Interested" In Raising Taxes Through Executive Action (Who Can Stop Him?)

    03/03/2015 6:31:11 AM PST · 91 of 133
    palmer to Soul of the South
    Good post.

    The majority of people today, like the plebes of Rome before us, cheer Caesar because he promises bread and circuses.

    Oddly enough, that is what net neutrality is about, at least nominally. Sure, there could eventually be censorship by some means, but the internet is designed to work around censorship and the countries that try, like Iran and China, fail miserably.

    No, what net neutrality really means is circuses, in the form of Netflix soft core porn and lots of meaningless, drivelous entertainment takes priority over all other content on the internet. In my own case it is stark. I have few choices for internet in my rural area. If just one person between myself and the tower decides to stream some garbage, I get no bandwidth other than a few packets every now and then. That's the same thing China does when cranking up the filtering in a vain attempt to only let permitted content through. My providers will be forced to allow streaming video without throttling and I will get no service.

  • Obama "Very Interested" In Raising Taxes Through Executive Action

    03/03/2015 6:11:17 AM PST · 65 of 75
    palmer to plain talk; gleeaikin
    Those that bash the rich, CEOs and corporations are liberals and socialists. Apparently Obama supporters have infiltrated free republic.

    More likely they are just clueless. The TV tells them to hate the rich so they hate the rich. The sad fact is that the income gap is due to complex factors that most people don't comprehend. A great example is the big banks giving huge sums to Obama, less to McCain and Romney. They also send a lot of money to other politicians. In exchange the Federal Reserve gets to funnel vast amounts of money to them with their various securities purchases and other methods of "boosting the economy".

    The basic problem is that these elite, although with mostly good intentions, believe that the economy can be boosted through infusing wealth into the stock market and having Keynesian spending on all sorts of crap. What that does instead is make the already wealthy much wealthier. OTOH, the high corporate tax rate (highest in the world) bites into the income of those who are productive and ambitious but not yet wealthy as well as destroy jobs that could employ the rest of us.

  • Obama "Very Interested" In Raising Taxes Through Executive Action

    03/03/2015 5:57:34 AM PST · 64 of 75
    palmer to amnestynone
    Sorry but with the support of amnesty the corporate Conservatives as far as am concerned they can just pay their freaking taxes. Not because they are rich but because they feckless, treacherous duplicitous and just plain deserve to pay them for stabbing us in the back.

    The GOPe might get a lot of money from the Chamber, but the real problem is the stupid proles that vote for big government republicans. One of the hallmarks of big government is high corporate taxes with breaks doled out by politicians. The reason our corporate rates are the highest in the world is that the politicians benefit from the power of doling out tax breaks.

    The solution is to lower corporate taxes, take away the power of the politician to dole out tax breaks, and then maybe get our chance to vote in politicians that are not bought and paid for by corporations.

  • UKRAINE: RUSSIAN FEDERATION through the Czech Republic is preparing a fake weapon in Donbass

    03/03/2015 5:36:00 AM PST · 7 of 12
    palmer to Cossak

    Thanks for the info. I am still waiting to see evidence that the “Russian soldiers” in Ukraine are more than the elderly. OTOH, the evidence for Russian supplied weaponry is abundant.

  • Judge blasts, but won't punish, EPA over FOIA failures

    03/02/2015 3:32:52 PM PST · 20 of 25
    palmer to HiTech RedNeck
    It originated with Nixon at a time when it was semi plausible that such an agency would countenance only what is sensible

    Is there one example of a federal govt agency that has not metastasized?

  • ISIS militants trick mother into ‘eating her kidnapped son’

    03/02/2015 3:14:21 PM PST · 28 of 33
    palmer to Calpublican

    Some kind of kitchen accident, I think.

  • UKRAINE: RUSSIAN FEDERATION through the Czech Republic is preparing a fake weapon in Donbass

    03/02/2015 3:05:31 PM PST · 3 of 12
    palmer to
    Colonel of the ARMED FORCES of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION "retired" Nail Nurullin.

    Is that the guy in the picture on the right? He looks like he's 70+ Are you saying he is not retired and still on Russia's payroll? Looks to me like he is an actually retired Russian soldier. Got pictures of young Russian soldiers, or relatively young?

  • US military satellite explodes above Earth

    03/02/2015 12:05:56 PM PST · 64 of 101
    palmer to SunkenCiv

    Only if he paid the Chinese to do it.

  • Europe's Solar Power Industry Braces For Solar Eclipse

    03/02/2015 11:56:47 AM PST · 35 of 35
    palmer to gleeaikin
    required to have a renewable component

    Required by whom? People who know power? Or politicians. I go to every public meeting of my nonprofit electric power company and one of their number one goals is figuring out how to work poltically correct electrons into the grid without large price hikes or reduced reliability.

    Surely, we can do better than that

    Surely my power company's supplier, the nonprofit Old Dominion Electric Cooperative should be able to use its relatively new expensive coal plant for its engineered life. But the politicians have other plans.

    We could use so much more of our own wind and sun to save our resources and money.

    There is so much to learn about power. If you are in a cooperative like I am they will gladly explain it to anyone. They are not stupid people and their goal is very simple, get reliable power to their members at the lowest cost. The main use may be comfort which might be trimmed or optimized for cost. For example I signed up to have the power company turn off my A/C when they run out of power. They already shut off power to businesses during those times. They have no similar plan for winter, and I do not have electric heat anyway.

    One more anecdote, back in January 1994 northern Virginia ran out of power and lots of my fellow apartment dwellers were forced out by cold and flooding. To propose unreliable power under those circumstances is criminal.

  • The computer of the future

    03/02/2015 4:26:30 AM PST · 41 of 48
    palmer to Maelstorm
    we want to think what we want and it just do it

    True. And the step after that is we don't have to think and computer just does what we want.

  • The computer of the future

    03/02/2015 4:24:49 AM PST · 40 of 48
    palmer to waynesa98
    Fixed it for you

    W10  Linux unifiesd the kernel (about a decade ago).

    Intel has posted its roadmap

    Intel has nice processors but none with microamps of standby current draw.

    google glasses will be your TV

    That's nice but I got rid of my TV in 1999 and will never get another one.

  • Europe's Solar Power Industry Braces For Solar Eclipse

    03/02/2015 4:05:05 AM PST · 33 of 35
    palmer to gleeaikin
    DC and other cities need the most electric power during air conditioning season, and DC is generally quite sunny then.

    Except when it is not. The power company will need people to sign up to have their A/C turned off when there are clouds, or the power company will need spinning reserve to avoid blackouts.

  • Europe's Solar Power Industry Braces For Solar Eclipse

    03/02/2015 4:03:23 AM PST · 32 of 35
    palmer to gleeaikin; dfwgator
    or the oil companies who have been getting tax breaks for 100 years.

    BS. The oil companies pay lease fees and royalties to the federal and some state governments. There are no special tax breaks, only the ones other companies get for depreciation and depletion. The problem is not the tax breaks, but the fact that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.

    Do we believe in fairness here?

    No, take your liberal crap elsewhere.

  • Republicans Attacking Janet Yellen Should Be Careful What They Wish For

    03/01/2015 3:23:00 PM PST · 13 of 22
    palmer to Kaslin
    Krudlow has explored all the corners of his little box. But yet the long term faith in the dollar is nil. It rose recently against the crappy Euro which currently hinges on Greece paying back some debt (fat chance of that). Yellen may have cut or eliminated QE but that doesn't mean the Fed is not ready to bail out the profligate politicians in some other way.

    Which island or Belgian pseudo country is next to jump in suddenly start buying treasuries whole hog? Suddenly our crap is irresistible to some nominally foreign country? Gimme a break. The QE will continue in some other form from now until the final collapse. The only question is whether it will be Zimbabwe style with 100 million people on the government payroll or some sort of default or a combination.

  • Europe's Solar Power Industry Braces For Solar Eclipse

    03/01/2015 12:54:17 PM PST · 13 of 35
    palmer to dfwgator

    Batteries are a great idea except for the cost. Lots of bad economics comes for the ride with the bad science of catastrophic anthro. global warming.

  • Europe's Solar Power Industry Braces For Solar Eclipse

    03/01/2015 12:42:21 PM PST · 10 of 35
    palmer to Zeneta
    Elon Musk, who is part of SolarCity is building a massive manufacturing plant to produce these batteries.

    Musk is a rent seeker. What he will do it is try to get the most government subsidies for his batteries just like Solar City sucks down taxpayer and ratepayer subsidies. I have some solar with no subsidies from either taxpayers or ratepayers. I also have batteries, one of the ways I do not get subsidies. Instead of "selling" overpriced power to the grid, needed or not, while getting power when ever I need (e.g. during solar eclipses, clouds and night) I use batteries.

    My batteries cost a lot more than my panels. Musk will not make cheaper batteries, he will make expensive batteries that I will pay for through my taxes.

  • Google to Bias Search Engine Based on “Facts”

    03/01/2015 11:02:16 AM PST · 19 of 19
    palmer to Organic Panic
    Just in time for ‘net neutrality.’ Coincidence???

    No. But it won't happen too soon. Google always thinks long term and they will take their time taking over the semantics of society. But at some point the default web page about religion will be about the Crusades.

  • Who's safe from risk of identity theft? No one

    03/01/2015 7:51:48 AM PST · 2 of 8
    palmer to TurboZamboni
    On the electronic front, I don't do anything personal on public Wi-Fi sites and don't shop on my smartphone, either.

    No need to click and read further. He obviously does do stuff online. He probably uses giant passwords thinking that makes him safer.

  • The Big Melt: Antarctica's Retreating Ice May Re-Shape Earth

    03/01/2015 7:07:26 AM PST · 51 of 58
    palmer to zeestephen; Bob434

    From the article at WUWT: “measured atmospheric carbon dioxide’s increasing capacity to absorb thermal radiation emitted from the Earth’s surface over an eleven-year period at two locations in North America. They attributed this upward trend to rising CO2 levels from fossil fuel emissions.”

    Or 11 years of increasing water vapor, i.e. a long term weather cycle. Of course I’m sure they have some way of ruling it out, and that probably involves a bogus climate model, but I don’t have time right now to read further.

  • The ‘imperial presidency’ is here and we aren’t doing much to reverse it

    02/28/2015 11:40:10 AM PST · 39 of 61
    palmer to arthurus
    The slop turned sown in 1913 with the ratification of the 13th Amendment.


  • Comrades for Net Neutrality

    02/28/2015 11:30:40 AM PST · 40 of 70
    palmer to Nextrush
    The Obamaphones are made by somebody and aren’t the phone makers profiting courtesy of the taxpayers...

    Some phone carriers definitely profit from the taxpayer funded Obamaphone like the Tracphone guy who is also a big Obama donor. The neutrality issue is not that kind of communism or cronyism, but it will lead in that direction.

  • Comrades for Net Neutrality

    02/28/2015 9:18:33 AM PST · 31 of 70
    palmer to Nextrush
    crony capitalism that benefits the favored internet service provider

    That's always true when there is regulation. But don't stop at the service providers many of whom are doing the best they can with limited infrastructure funds. The biggest crony benefitting from this is Netflix. Also your claim that this is not communism is probably going to turn out false. Do you not think that Obamaphone is anything other than communism? This could easily turn into that.

  • Comrades for Net Neutrality

    02/28/2015 8:19:18 AM PST · 24 of 70
    palmer to P-Marlowe
    I just noticed that a 15 year Freeper who insisted that Net Neutrality was a good idea because it meant his ISP would be required to give him better Netflix speeds was zotted yesterday into outer darkness

    That's the main purpose of net "neutrality". For starters, Netflix is 99% drivel. There is some good material and a tiny amount of good new material, but if you want those, it doesn't need to be streamed in HD. Secondly, Netflix and youtube already use up a majority of the bandwidth, net "neutrality" will make it worse. By using up the bandwidth there is less bandwidth for useful purposes. Videos do not need to be streamed, but most of the useless drivel is streamed.

    My own case is not too unusual out in a rural area. You can get satellite, cable if you are lucky, DSL sometimes, dialup, WISP and 3G. I have done all of those, but now I am in an out-of-luck area so my main choice is 3G. If someone, just one user, goes on 3G closer to the tower doing streaming HD video, I get nothing. Zero throughput mainly, with an occasional couple of bytes. Useless anyway. Bring on the FCC and they will require my ISP to allow the bandwidth hogging content and probably also require them to upgrade the towers at great expense. There are not a lot of users to amortize the cost across.

    Of course the FCC won't do that right away since they would look stupid. But the time is coming when the internet will be run by Netflix. Everything else will be second class, and that is simply because of bandwidth hogging streaming video.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/28/2015 8:05:32 AM PST · 99 of 100
    palmer to zeestephen

    Sorry I meant a rise of 120 since the Little Ice Age. From 280 to about 400 now.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/28/2015 8:04:40 AM PST · 98 of 100
    palmer to Ozark Tom

    Makes sense. I have read studies showing that higher CO2 lets many plants survive drought better.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/27/2015 7:48:23 AM PST · 93 of 100
    palmer to
    I like Pat Michaels at CATO for the less technical discussions. Judy Curry has good discussion but those are very technical. But if you are talking about raw measurements like CO2 readings, there is no reason not to trust the government. They have validated the science of measuring CO2 for at least 40 years. I also use Energy Information Administration for CO2 produced, again because it is more or less raw data with a long scientific pedigree.

    OTOH I do not trust government sites for models or model outputs or other deriviative or predictive information. Probably polluted with politics.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/27/2015 5:50:20 AM PST · 91 of 100
    palmer to fedupjohn
    where is the insertion of the consumption variable into the algorithm

    It is one of the uncertainties. But keep in mind that plant growth is seasonal and a lot of the CO2 is released. There will be more wood and other sequestered carbon but I think it is very poorly measured. The CO2 rise in the atmosphere is about half of what it should be given man's 30 Gt (CO2) per year. The rest is assumeed to be mainly in the ocean but could also be in increased woody plant growth.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/27/2015 5:46:42 AM PST · 90 of 100
    palmer to Timocrat

    Yes, there would be a rise in CO2 now due to the MWP centuries ago. But the deep ocean warming behind that process would not be more than 1C and the CO2 release would not be more than 10ppm (probably half of that). So MWP warming cannot explain the current CO2 rise of 120ppm and rising.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/27/2015 5:40:02 AM PST · 89 of 100
    palmer to aquila48
    How does nature know which CO2 is nature made and which is man made?

    It doesn't. Nature produces about 200 and absorbs about 200 Gt. Additionally nature absorbs another 3-4 Gt which is part of the excess above equilibrium. But the estimates for nature are very rough (lots of unknowns).

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/26/2015 2:48:24 PM PST · 40 of 100
    palmer to zeestephen
    From 2000-2010 we went up 22 PPM.
    That's a 20% increase in one decade.

    About 5% but still nontrivial. We can take comfort in the fact that during the same decade the global temperature did nothing statistically significant. A bunch of new CO2, but no new warming. This is despite the fact the solar activity just left the modern maximum and fell around 2007. So it wasn't the sun cooling off because that is too recent and there is a couple year (at least) lag between sun and average temperature (that's because the sun warms the ocean for the most part).

    Should we comforted by the fact that we are still dealing with parts-per-million?

    Compared to parts per thousand of water vapor? Yes.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/26/2015 2:44:20 PM PST · 33 of 100
    palmer to BitWielder1
    The 96% Natural CO2 is good CO2, the 4% human made is bad CO2 you see

    The 200 Gt of natural CO2 produced per year (mainly fall and winter) is also absorbed for the most part in spring and summer. In the case of the 8Gt or so (4% of 200) that man produces, almost all of it stays. But nature obviously does not know or care about the difference, it is all CO2

    What happens is that nature tries to bring the current 400ppm back down to maybe 300ppm which would be short term equilibrium. To do that, nature absorbs a bunch into the ocean. At that point some is sequestered there (precipitates into some form and falls to the bottom). So in a net calculation, the increased CO2 in the atmosphere is all manmade and would be even higher without the ocean absorption.

    If man were not around CO2 would have risen naturally due to warming after the Little Ice and prior warming (e.g. Medieval Warm Period) with a lag. But that would amount to a small increase, 5-10 ppm maybe, not the 120 ppm we have seen and not the 2-3 ppm rise per year we measure.

  • Scientists Now Know Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down And It’s Not Good News For Us

    02/26/2015 2:16:09 PM PST · 11 of 100
    palmer to zeestephen
    I read recently that just 4% of the CO2 added to the atmosphere since 1950 was generated by humans.

    3.5% to be exact. But nature's 200 Gt per year gets reabsorbed in the spring and summer and man's 7Gt is all output. Therefore the increase in CO2 in atmosphere that is being observed is 100% manmade.

    Another way to look at it, were the CO2 rise natural, it would amount to 5-10 ppm due to the warming after the Little Ice Age. Instead we have gone from 280 to 400 and rising. For that to be natural, there would have be a 10-12C ocean warming within the last few centuries or so. That's not at all plausible.

  • BREAKING: Ebola Response in Clarendon (Arlington, VA)

    02/26/2015 10:35:23 AM PST · 1 of 14
  • The Hyperinflation Hype: Why the U.S. Can Never Be Weimar

    02/26/2015 7:43:21 AM PST · 33 of 33
    palmer to ChildOfThe60s
    Which brings us back to the *fact* that the Fed can not fight inflation with higher interest rates because it will crash the federal budget.

    The solution to that is yet more QE. The Fed can raise rates to "fight inflation" while at the same time still buy treasuries at whatever rate they want since nobody is stopping them and they can buy as many as they want (as many as the politicians want).

    In the end what it will come down to is the Fed will print money and the politicians will hand it out. Right now that won't cause hyperinflation, just increasing wealth disparity, economic distortions, sluggish growth, increasing "disability" and similar ways to get on the federal dole.

    But given time the politicians (both parties) will take us full Zimbabwe. The only difference between the two parties will be which segment of the electorate they will be bribing.