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  • (Israeli)Rabbinical court prevents (American-Israeli)teen girl from leaving Israel

    09/19/2014 7:09:18 AM PDT · 19 of 28
    patlin to Alberta's Child
    because the "legal" parents -- who are Christians now living in Kansas -- apparently kept the child's Israeli citizenship after the adoption

    And that is exactly why the Constitution, our founding document, as well as the original SC opinions of the 14th Amendment, neither allows for dual citizenship. The founding fathers as well as the following generations, all the way through the civil war, rejected the concept of dual citizenship. But alas, we got it via fiat law thanks to a corrupt Supreme Court decision in the 1890's who used British feudal law rather than adhering to American law the same court had just upheld less than 10 yrs prior to the fateful decision and by the same SC Justice no less who's bank account profited greatly from the unconstitutional decision he made.

  • Netanyahu’s ISIS Moral Clarity

    09/19/2014 7:03:18 AM PDT · 7 of 14
    patlin to TurkeyLurkey
    He is fully aware ... his God

    Oh, I know that but obviously you do not know what (g)od, small (g) he worships as obviously you have never read his most holy religious book the Talmud which is the foundation of ALL Israeli law, both civil and religious.

  • Netanyahu’s ISIS Moral Clarity

    09/19/2014 7:02:26 AM PDT · 6 of 14
    patlin to TurkeyLurkey
    He is fully aware ... his God

    Oh, I know that but obviously you do not know what (g)od, small (g) he worships as obviously you have never read his most holy religious book the Talmud which is the foundation of ALL Israeli law, both civil and religious.

  • (Israeli)Rabbinical court prevents (American-Israeli)teen girl from leaving Israel

    09/19/2014 6:45:38 AM PDT · 13 of 28
    patlin to Alberta's Child

    The BIG difference is that Islamic countries do not hide the fact that they are indeed Theocracies, however, Israel boasts that it is a Democracy when underneath the facade, it is not.

  • (Israeli)Rabbinical court prevents (American-Israeli)teen girl from leaving Israel

    09/19/2014 6:33:21 AM PDT · 8 of 28
    patlin to the_daug

    Woman goes to Israel to taunt the father? Where do you get that? Does not the woman have a right to visit her family in her place of birth where the family still lives? Would you say these words about an Christian American-Arab woman whose child was being detained in an Islamic country by their religious court?

  • (Israeli)Rabbinical court prevents (American-Israeli)teen girl from leaving Israel

    09/19/2014 6:30:53 AM PDT · 7 of 28
    patlin to yldstrk
    Did you even read ALL the articles? Would you be calm if your child was being denied the right to return home by religious fanatics? Are you a Christian? Do you even understand the implications concerning Christians in regards to this resurrected Sanhedrin that delivered Christ to the cross? You know, the ones whom Jesus called sons of their father the devil?
  • (Israeli)Rabbinical court prevents (American-Israeli)teen girl from leaving Israel

    09/19/2014 6:27:52 AM PDT · 5 of 28
    patlin to Ex-Pat in Mex
    What part of the biological father was convicted of child abuse do you not understand?

    What part of the child is not the legal daughter of an American soldier do you not understand?

    What part of you should have read ALL the articles links I posted so to get the entire story do you not understand?

    What part of both the Israel govt & the US govt recognize the child as no longer legally bound to the biological father do you not understand?

  • Netanyahu’s ISIS Moral Clarity

    09/19/2014 6:04:47 AM PDT · 3 of 14
    patlin to Biggirl
    Netanyahu should be focused on his Sanhedrin problem as ISIS is not going to touch Israel as they are not stupid nor are they ignorant of Israel's nuclear arsenal. Really, is Israel a Democracy run by Netanyahu or is Netanyahu just a pimp for the Talmudic Theocracy run by the Pharisaic Sanhedrin.

    It's time for Christians to wake up! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3205677/posts

  • (Israeli)Rabbinical court prevents (American-Israeli)teen girl from leaving Israel

    09/19/2014 5:45:44 AM PDT · 2 of 28
    patlin to patlin

    Amber is the adopted daughter of Active duty US Soldier Jeremy Layman who is currently stationed in Afghanistan and not scheduled to return home until July 2015. This is an absolute outrage! Is Israel a Democracy or a Theocracy? Which is it because they cannot have it both ways.

  • (Israeli)Rabbinical court prevents (American-Israeli)teen girl from leaving Israel

    09/19/2014 5:41:14 AM PDT · 1 of 28
    patlin
    More can be read about Amber's story at Israel Today "Rabbinic Court Detains Messianic Minor"

    (excerpt) When Abecassis, who had been convicted of domestic violence by a civil Israeli court and divorced from Amber’s mother, saw the picture of his biological child in Israel, he filed a complaint with the Rabbinic Court in Ashdod, claiming that his daughter had been “kidnapped and taken to America.”

    Legally, however, Abecassis is no longer the Amber’s father. According to adoption papers issued by a US court and obtained by Israel Today, Jeremy Layman, who married Amber’s mother, is now her legal father and guardian.

    At least that’s what an American District Court determined, and it is a view shared by the Ministry of Interior in Israel, which removed Abecassis’ name from Amber’s Israeli ID and listed Jeremy Layman as her father. Even Amber’s American and Israeli passports register Jeremy as her father.

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24925/Default.aspx

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    As well as the Morning Sun, Pittsburg, Ks "Scammon family stranded abroad"

    (excerpt)The 13-year-old daughter of a Southeast Kansas family may not leave Israel after a religious court ruling.

    Members of the Layman family are caught between differing rulings from a State of Israel agency and a Jewish court over the custody of their daughter, Amber Hope Layman.

    Danielle Layman claims that Abecassis Shahar, Amber Hope's biological father, was previously convicted in Israel of threatening to kill his biological daughter and that he was "abusive." Because of this, Layman said, Shahar's custody rights were stripped. http://www.morningsun.net/article/20140909/NEWS/140909824/2135/NEWS

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 9:53:52 PM PDT · 25 of 27
    patlin to Phinneous
    Jer 3:16 “And it shall be, when you have increased, and shall bear fruit in the land in those days,” declares יהוה, “that they no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of יהוה.’ Neither would it come to heart, nor would they remember it, nor would they visit it, nor would it (be made) (asah) again. 17 “At that time Yerushalayim shall be called the throne of יהוה, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the Name of יהוה, to Yerushalayim, and no longer walk after the stubbornness of their evil heart.

    JPS: Jer 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye are multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more: The ark of the covenant of the LORD; neither shall it come to mind; neither shall they make mention of it; neither shall they miss it; neither shall it (be made) (asah) any more.

    If something still exists, it would need to be made again now would it?

  • The Subterranean Temple

    07/15/2014 8:26:44 AM PDT · 5 of 27
    patlin to Phinneous
    In other words, the Holy Temple was initially designed and built to exist in two states: a revealed state and a concealed state

    This sentence in the article really struck my heart as His Word says,

    Jer 3:16 “And it shall be, when you have increased, and shall bear fruit in the land in those days,” declares יהוה, “that they no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of יהוה.’ Neither would it come to heart, nor would they remember it, nor would they visit it, nor would it be made again. 17 “At that time Yerushalayim shall be called the throne of יהוה, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the Name of יהוה, to Yerushalayim, and no longer walk after the stubbornness of their evil heart.

    According to His Word, the Ark represents Moschiach. Yeshua is the Moshiach, and since He is no longer concealed but has been revealed through His death and resurrection, it is only through Him, the Ark of the covenant of Elohim, that Israel will be regathered, healed and restored. This is the reason the Ark was never in the 2nd temple and the reason it no longer exists. We are to focus on Moshiach and follow the example of His faith & testimony rather than continuing to focus on an object made by the hands of men.

    Shalom Alecheim!

  • Jonathan Cahn: The Harbinger

    06/26/2014 6:51:42 AM PDT · 15 of 15
    patlin to Faith Presses On
    One must first read Isaiah 9 in context as to whom God is speaking to.

    Isa 9:8 יהוה sent a word against Yaʽaqoḇ, and it has fallen on Yisra’ĕl. 9 And the people shall know, all of them, Ephrayim and the inhabitant of Shomeron, who say in pride and greatness of heart: 10 “The bricks have fallen down, but we rebuild with hewn stones; the sycamores are cut down, but we replace them with cedars.”

    Cahn's Harbinger as it relates to America is nothing more than scare tactics to put the fear of man in man, rather than teach man the proper meaning of repentance and what the true doctrine of returning to God's Ways in order for the land to be healed. America has never held to a true doctrine of repentance towards God as a whole. Yes, there have always been a remnant in this land who do, but as a whole, America has never truly returned to the covenant of God as defined by the Word of God.

    The Gospel of Christ was first given in the garden, then repeated through Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob(Israel), Moses and David. Where is the Gospel message in Cahn's books & DVD's? Nowhere because it is a tool of Christ's adversary used to promote Public Law 102-14 (H.J. Res. 104) March 20, 1991 in which the 10 Commandments were replaced with the unbiblical Noahide laws of Talmudic Judaism. Want to begin the repair of America then one must first begin by repealing Public Law 102-14 that is the foundational cause of the 10 Commandments being removed from all public places.

  • How Do You Know The Torah is True?

    04/12/2014 9:27:57 PM PDT · 120 of 122
    patlin to Phinneous
    In all of the Hebrew Scriptures one will rarely find the Hebrew singular ‘El’. The majority of time the plural Elohim is used. In the Greek there is no distinction between singular and plural, they simply use the word ‘theos’. However, there is a very prophetic reason for the distinguishing between the singular and the plural in the Hebrew as Elohim represents the unity of the Father, the Son and the Set Apart Spirit of Truth. Therefore, the majority of time the Voice of God used the plural to emphasize the process of redemption which includes all 3 who are the same as they were in the beginning, the same yesterday, today and forever. There is no distinction between Jew or Gentile in His process of Redemption.

    As it is for the Jew, so it is for the Gentile, not the other way around as is falsely taught by Roman Christendom. They refuse to hear Paul when he wrote, what advantage then does the Jew have? Much, because to Judah was entrusted the Torah of YHWH. Y’shua taught obedience to the Torah and when He returns, Judah who has clung to Torah will have the veil lifted. Sadly for the followers of Roman Christendom, there is going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth when they realize that they should have taken the teachings of Y’shua literally and not listened to and followed the whitewashed and twisted teachings of the Torahless preachers and prophets. There is also going to be a lot of hearts fainting when they find themselves in the midst of the wrath of Elohim because they did not have it in their heart to obey Him, to love Him as He desires to be loved.

    Shalom

  • How Do You Know The Torah is True?

    01/03/2014 8:12:37 AM PST · 63 of 122
    patlin to Phinneous
    I care because I no longer want to speak falsehood, but simply let His truth be known. Let each decide for themselves. My point is not to undermine anything. My point is to bring truth to the table. Have you read all of the oral law? Not just the Mishna, but the whole of the BT Talmud to see what it says for itself, have you read it for yourself?

    It wasn't until I read it for myself and read things written in it that I was so disgusted to the point of vomiting that I knew it was not of God.

  • How Do You Know The Torah is True?

    01/02/2014 1:55:17 PM PST · 61 of 122
    patlin to Phinneous
    The rulings of the local rabbi are oral laws that carry with them no authority from God who said not to add to or take away from that which He gave to Moses to write down for our instruction, our Torah. And that is where the deception lies, calling man made laws Torah when they are 'chuqqah'.

    2Kings 17:19

    גם־יהודה לא שׁמר את־מצות יהוה אלהיהם וילכו בחקות ישׂראל אשׁר עשׂו׃

  • How Do You Know The Torah is True?

    12/31/2013 9:03:44 AM PST · 46 of 122
    patlin to Phinneous
    Mishna is not "Torah", Mishna is 2 Melak'm 17:19, the laws of Judah that they made based on Debar'm 30 where Judah takes God's Word out of context that reads,

    2Ki 17:19 Yehudah, also, did not guard the commands of יהוה their Elohim, but walked in the laws of Yisra’el which they made.

    Deu 30:12 “It is not in the heavens, to say, ‘Who shall ascend into the heavens for us, and bring it to us, and cause us to hear it, so that we do it?’

    The Talmud states that since Torah is no longer in heaven, that God has given Judah all authority to determine all halakhah concerning Torah. This is what was happening before Judah was taken into captivity into Babylon. Assuming to have authority where God gave us no authority causes us to removed from the presence of God.

    My Mishna is now ashes is the ground, returned to dust where it will remain dust forever more as God told us to do with such man made things.

  • How Do You Know The Torah is True?

    12/31/2013 8:19:31 AM PST · 36 of 122
    patlin to Phinneous
    Torah and its importance did not escape the believers in Messiah either. They knew its importance and they taught it.

    Act 3:22 “For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. 23 ‘And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet1 shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ Footnote: 1Deut. 18:18-20.

    Act 7:37 “This is the Mosheh who said to the children of Yisra’Ä•l, ‘יהוה your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear.’ Act 7:38 “This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness with the Messenger who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who received the living Words to give to us, 39 unto whom our fathers would not become obedient, but thrust away, and in their hearts they turned back to Mits-rayim,

    1Co 10:1 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brothers, that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all were immersed into Mosheh in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed, and the Rock was Messiah.

    1Co 10:6 And these became examples for us, so that we should not lust after evil, as those indeed lusted.

    1Co 10:11 And all these came upon them as examples, and they were written as a warning to us, on whom the ends of the ages have come, 12 so that he who thinks he stands, let him take heed lest he fall.

    Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Set-apart Spirit says, “Today, if you hear His voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, 9 where your fathers tried Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years. 10 “Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.’

    Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering into His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the Good News was brought to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not having been mixed with belief in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest, as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest...” And yet His works have come into being from the foundation of the world.

  • Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015?

    12/30/2013 7:19:45 PM PST · 50 of 58
    patlin to Star Traveler
    I totally agree that we can not say for sure at this time what they are meant for or if it is merely just another astronomical cycle.

    But what I do know is that the Bible teaches us that we will understand the times by the signs and seasons (God appointed times), so that is why I will do as commanded when the first one arrives and continue to rid my life of the leaven of religion that has been added to the Word of God as Christ teaches us to do.

    So while we have advance notice of the upcoming signs in the sky, it will not be until they come and we see what is happening in the world in regards to God's people, and not just the Jews, but also the Christians as God's signs are for all his people, not just one religion that gave it its name from but one of the twelve tribes of Israel. But whatever we see, it must align with what God has spoken through His prophets as He says that He does nothing without first revealing it through the prophets.

    And I will tell you, I am in disagreement with the claims of the establishment of the state of Israel as having anything to do with the previous tetrads. But there were other things happening at the time that do agree with what the prophets wrote, and so I will begin keeping close track of the happenings in the days leading up to and just after Purim as to the brand of leaven we are dealing with during the first blood moon.

  • Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015?

    12/30/2013 5:16:16 PM PST · 48 of 58
    patlin to Star Traveler
    using the word “sign” is not by my choice, it is what God says they are for and He doesn't just send one, He never has. He is a merciful god not wanting anyone to be lost. But because most will choose to change His Word to fit their man made theologies, sadly many will be lost because they refuse to just let God's Word mean what He gave it to mean.
  • Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015?

    12/30/2013 1:16:02 PM PST · 45 of 58
    patlin to Star Traveler
    Maybe they were “imprimaturs”

    Gen 1:14 And Elohim said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years, 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth.” And it came to be so.

    sign: a signal, flag, beacon, omen; (properly in relation to time, to come, of the future)

    God gives His approval or disapproval via blessings and curses. He never says I give you a sign as My approval.

  • Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015?

    12/30/2013 8:12:06 AM PST · 39 of 58
    patlin to Star Traveler
    I agree with the patterns but I also know that God set the sum, moon and stars in the sky for signs. He uses them to get the attention of His people as He does nothing without first announcing it.

    And so while signs may have occurred at the time of formation of the Zionist state of Israel, the signs had nothing to do with God blessing that which His prophets say is not to happen until Christ returns (example: Eze 21:25-27). God's signs have meaning for all of God's people all over the world, not just those of the tribe of Judah. These particular signs are warnings to clean up out houses. Had the past signs been significant in relation of the events that took place, the signs would have all occurred well before the events began to happen. All throughout His Word, nothing happened without it first being announced well ahead of time, by signs in the sky or by Word of God through His prophets.

  • Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015?

    12/30/2013 12:15:09 AM PST · 34 of 58
    patlin to Star Traveler
    The ‘signs’ in the sky although they happen during the feasts, due to the rabbinic laws that reckon the calendar that are not according to the Word of God, the 1st does not occur on Passover, but will actually occur during the Feast of Unleavened Bread which has a totally different meaning to it than that of Passover. Passover is all about Christ shedding His blood for our sins and so the connection that remains for us to take heed is that of the leaven and removing the leaven from our lives. The leaven is not yeast that makes bread rise so that it appears to have been added to, leaven is that which man added to God's Word that we are to remove from our lives. Matthew 16, Mark 8 & Luke 12.
  • The Lord in a Plastic Cup - Giving Communion at WYD in Rio

    08/07/2013 10:38:06 AM PDT · 49 of 76
    patlin to aMorePerfectUnion
    All Gospel accounts agree that it was the Preparation Day, that is the 14th per Ex 12 & Lev 23.

    Mat_27:62 On the next day, which was after the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate,

    Mar_15:42 And when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, Luk_23:54 And it was Preparation day, and the Sabbath was approaching.

    Joh_19:14 And it was the Preparation Day of the Passover week, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Yehuḏim, “See your Sovereign!”

    Joh_19:31 Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehuḏim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.

    Joh_19:42 There, then, because of the Preparation Day of the Yehuḏim, they laid יהושע, because the tomb was near.

    To be the "perfect" sacrifice, Messiah had to die on the stake at the same day that the Passover lambs were being slaughtered. And per Torah, the meal of Unleavened Bread in which the sacrifice is eaten takes place after dark when it is not the 15th. Y'shua would not have swayed from these instructions and if He did, then He certainly was not perfect now was He? It does not matter what the Jews did and do to this day as they still hold their oral law above the Torah of Moshe which is the veil that continues to blind them from seeing their true Messiah.

  • Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!

    08/06/2013 7:18:34 PM PDT · 229 of 229
    patlin to American Constitutionalist
    The original Greek and Hebrew words translated into English as perfect as it pertains to ones walk literally means to walk in uprightness, walk in integrity in ones heart.

    Gen 6:9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

    Did Noah do everything perfectly? No, but he did have it in his heart to do so and so when his flesh failed, what was in his heart redeemed him. And knowing that we are of the flesh, then why would Jesus tell us,

    Matt 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

    Did He literally mean that we must always be perfect in the flesh or is it more like what John teaches us?

    1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

    But now returning to the law, salvation is not based upon the laws of the society we live in today, but the laws of the society that we can not see, the society that our hope is in, the society in which seek to enter. Those are the laws that we are to concern ourselves with first and foremost. Have you not read how Daniel refused to eat of the King's delicacies that were an abomination to God? Have you not read where Daniel and the 3 others refused to bow down and sing to the image of the King? Have you not read where Peter proclaimed that no unclean animal had ever touched his lips and then later it was revealed to Peter that the beasts on the sheet represented mankind and that we are to call any man unclean? FYI, there is no gate in the eternal kingdom labeled "gentile". They are all given the names of the tribes of Israel. Why is that?

  • The Lord in a Plastic Cup - Giving Communion at WYD in Rio

    08/06/2013 7:00:58 PM PDT · 7 of 76
    patlin to aMorePerfectUnion
    You could make the same case for ordinary matzah that He used

    Well, one could if it was matzah that He broke, but alas, it was “artos” which is “challah”, leavened bread. And we know this by what came after Jesus said to Judah “what you do, do quickly” and some of the disciples were thinking,

    John 13:28 But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. 29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, “Buy those things we need for the Feast,

    The disciples were under no illusion that they were eating a Passover meal when the Passover lamb had yet to be slaughtered. Even the priests testify to this fact.

    John 18:28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.

  • Truth or Consequences: The Risks of Spiritual Leadership

    08/01/2013 10:33:45 AM PDT · 10 of 21
    patlin to Zionist Conspirator
    The Talmud divides world history

    So What of the Word of God? How does the Word of God define the divide history? And what of Deut 18? The second half of Deut 13 and the Prophet like unto Mosheh? Mosheh played a specific role and while I do agree that Deut 18 speaks of all the prophets prior to Babylon, it also speaks of the prophet to come after those days.

    The prophet Yeshua was quite adamant in telling us that all that He did and said was to be found in what all the prophets before Him was given to say and write down.

    Luke 24:25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Mashiach to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Mosheh and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. ... 44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Torah of Mosheh and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. 46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Mashiach to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    Mashiach came to restore, He did not come to form a new religion, but because man sought the need to do so, HaShem is using what man created to suit His purpose, His desire. The harder Christianity boasts against the natural branches, the harder Judah clings to and preserves His Torah, albeit through Talmud, but at least they are still in covenant with HaShem unlike the Christian church.

  • Why Not Hebraic Roots? The False Teachings of the Hebraic Roots Movement

  • Why Not Hebraic Roots? The False Teachings of the Hebraic Roots Movement

    07/25/2013 7:35:46 PM PDT · 36 of 40
    patlin to winodog
    My heart tells me

    Then I would tell you to start exactly where the Roman Christian system told us to start when we were impressionable youth, a doctrine which it holds to this day but with a bit of a different turn than that which they teach.

    Start in John 1 and read through verse 18, then go back to John 1:1 and go where it says to go, in the beginning, not 2/3 the way through God's Word so that when you get back to John 1:1, you will understand the religious political climate as well as the foundation of the reason in which Messiah had to come and suffer first and the importance of the players in the last 1/3 of the book.

    Is 46:10 declaring from the beginning, the end, and from old, that which has yet been done, saying, “My counsel does stand, and My delight I do”

    John 5:46 For if you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, since he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My words.

    Messiah is all over Scripture beginning in Genesis 1:1. One’s heart just needs to be in a state of humility to accept that those they trusted to give them the truth either deceived them out of their own ignorance, or worse, out of love of the flesh and a paycheck over the welfare of His flock. Once one has come to that state of humility and is open to receive His truth, His Spirit of Truth will guide them to and in His Truth. But don't forget to count the cost because it will cost one loved ones, friends and possibly more just as it did Messiah and all those who followed Him.

    There is a yearly Torah cycle that we study every year according to God's calendar called Torah Parasha (weekly Torah portions that include the Prophets and the NT). There are many congregations with archives of these weekly studies based on a Messianic/Hebrew Roots foundation. I started with Mark Biltz teachings at El Shaddai Ministries [dot] us. But you may find another congregation suits your needs and personality better. All I can suggest is pray and then go seek the one that is meant for you. When you find it, you will know in your heart that is where you are to be at that time because it will feel right and you will be at total peace while the world is crumbling around us.

    We just started a local congregation a couple of months ago, there may be one in your area but if not there are many that live feed every Sabbath. But is you are tough and you feel you can "handle the truth" with a no holds bar, bold and plain speaking truth, as bold and plain speaking as Nicholson, then go visit Steve Berkson [dot] Podomatic [dot] com and begin with his teaching on the fear of Yahweh, then go to the Relationship between Salvation, Faith and Works and then Beware False Prophets. There are dozens upon dozens of videos on youtube about the truth of the lies of our church fathers which their writings bear out this truth as well as their current church records. The sect of the Nazarenes of Acts is not the church and they admit it, all of them and there has recently been discovery of ancient writings substantiating what we can read in current archives of later documents.

    Messiah is restoring His house, just be careful not to get sucked into a congregation that stills holds to and imposes some of the traditions and oral laws of Judaism that were nailed to the stake on the flock. Learn to eat the meat and spit out the dead bones where in there is no profit.

  • Israeli Diplomat: No Plan to Give Vatican Control of Site of the Last Supper

    07/22/2013 1:29:51 PM PDT · 18 of 18
    patlin to UriÂ’el-2012

    And that is the beauty of it all, you have your understanding according to the pashat level of but one witness that you have relied on and my understanding comes from the pashat level of passages from two or more witnesses. There was not torture of Scripture at all on my part. When the servants and the priests would not enter the palace because the meal of Unleavened bread that the Passover sacrifice is to be eaten had not yet taken place.

    So for your understanding to be correct, that would mean that they ate a Passover sacrifice before the Passover lambs were sacrificed and before the appointed time required by Torah for them to eat of the sacrifice.

    In doing this, Yeshua would have disobeyed Torah and we know He did not, He obeyed completely the Torah of the Father. He did not eat of the sacrifice that year as He was the sacrifice that year.

    I see this as a misunderstanding due to the part of the Pharisees who to this day, call the meal of Unleavened Bread the Passover meal when it is not. Passover is that which is done on the part of the Father and the Son, Unleavened Bread is that which is done on our part as a remembrance to the One who gave us the ultimate sacrifice and the One who gave of Himself to be sacrificed.

    It is time for my brethren of Judah to give up this mixing of Passover and Unleavened Bread and put them back into their proper context of Leviticus 23 as commanded by Elohim.

    Shalom Alecheim!

  • Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!

    07/21/2013 8:02:38 PM PDT · 226 of 229
    patlin to American Constitutionalist
    One must first define what righteousness means before one can presume to know whether or not theirs exceeds the scribes and the Pharisees. So let's let the Word of God define it for us shall we?

    Dt 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

    Dt 6:25 Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.’

    Do I guard to do all that I am required to do according to Moses (Mt 23:1-3)? Yes. Do I do it perfect? No but the word for perfect is not what the English portrays it to be, it is merely and uprightness in ones heart, they do their best with integrity not compromising by adding to or taking away. And then as Paul and John tell us, when we stumble and we will because we are still in the corruptible flesh, we have Messiah who advocates the state of our heart before the Father and His perfection then covers our sins. As far as the rest, well it all depends on ones understanding of Jewish rabbinic law and the Law of God. Rabbinic law forbade the winnowing of grain (it wasn't corn) in the hand as they considered this work. God's Law says nothing about taking grain or fruit from the field on the Sabbath as one walks by, the key being, hunger, take and eat but do not take to store up for another day.

    So it would seem that you have a lack of understanding regarding what is the Law of God and the rabbinic laws of men.

  • Israeli Diplomat: No Plan to Give Vatican Control of Site of the Last Supper

    07/21/2013 7:48:11 PM PDT · 16 of 18
    patlin to UriÂ’el-2012
    And may I recommend for your understanding

    Mt 26:3 Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, 4 and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him. 5 But they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar among the people.”

    Mt 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread(artos-leavened/raised bread), blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”

    John 13:26 Jesus answered, “It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it.” And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly.” 28 But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. 29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, “Buy those things we need for the feast,” or that he should give something to the poor.

    Mark 14:1 After two days it was the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread (azumos-unleavened bread). And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by trickery and put Him to death. 2 But they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar of the people.”

    John 18:28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.

    Clearly, the disciples would not have purchased raised bread for the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Yeshua certainly would not have raised up raised bread at the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Leaven represe4nting corruption, Yeshua would have never referred to His body as that which has been corrupted. Matthew, Mark and John's accounts all agree, the bread that was eaten was leavened bread and that the festival of Unleavened Bread had not yet taken place. Therefore, this was a Tues evening meal, not an after sunset Wednesday when the actual Passover sacrifice is to be eaten at the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

  • Israeli Diplomat: No Plan to Give Vatican Control of Site of the Last Supper

    07/19/2013 2:03:55 PM PDT · 14 of 18
    patlin to UriÂ’el-2012

    As a Messianic Jew, a careful reading and study of the 4 Gospel accounts reveals that in fact, the last supper was just that, supper. It was not a seder of any kind, but what Yeshua was doing was the kiddish, the blessing of the bread and wine that we do every Shabbat. In this account of the kiddish, Yeshua adds greater meaning to the bread and the wine.

    See John 6:48-71

    Yeshua was the Passover sacrifice, but He is also the bread (manna) and the wine (blood) of the Word. We must be careful not to confuse the two lest one finds themself being deceived when the false one appears!

    May you have a blessed Shabbat! Shalom!

  • Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!

    07/18/2013 7:57:42 AM PDT · 218 of 229
    patlin to American Constitutionalist
    Have you never read and understood John 14-17 and the importance of the Spirit of Truth whom Yeshua Messiah sends to us, to teach us, to guide us in order that we may walk our His truth?

    Have you never read and understood Yeshua Messiah's words,

    Joh 14:10 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself. But the Father who stays in Me does His works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves. 12 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also." (See 1Pet 2:21-22)

    Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands. (See Ex. 20:6, vv. 21&23, 1 John 5:2-3, 2 John v. 6) 16 And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever – 17 the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you."

    Joh 14:20 “In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."

    So much for the big lie being promulgated that "He did it all so we do not have to because we are temporarily in this corruptible flesh". The Word of God put on corruptible flesh to prove to us that we can overcome, but not of ourselves, but of the Spirit of Truth that is sent to those who truly believe in Him. Where there is no trust in His Spirit of Truth, there the branches do not bear fruit because they prove that the seed of the Word of God is not truly in them for them to hear the words,

    "Well done good and trustworthy servant"

    . So, since we are servants, then who is our Master? Is it not written that we are slaves to whom we serve? So if one chooses to obey Messiah and serve the Father as He served the Father and commanded us to do likewise, how can there be any condemnation in that?

    Joh 3:36 “He who believes (G4100) in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey (G544) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

    KJV: Joh 3:36 He that believeth G4100 on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth G544 not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    G4100 pisteuō = From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

    G544 apeitheō = From G545; to disbelieve (willfully and perversely): - not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving. So according to Hoggard's own bible translation, Hoggard is an unbelieving false prophet because he does not obey the Word of God. Hoggard's own "pure word of God according to Hoggard" convicts Hoggard but yet Hoggard refuses to see because of the darkness that he walks in out of his rejection of God's Spirit of Truth.

  • Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!

    07/17/2013 7:50:31 AM PDT · 213 of 229
    patlin to American Constitutionalist
    Ah, the great falling away that comes because of who?

    2Thess 2:7 for the mystery of iniquity ... (G458 anomia - Lawlessness, violation of the Law that stems from apostasy, the falling away from God's Law which is God's Truth that the heavens and earth are witnesses to that it still stands as it stood in the beginning)

    1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the Law(G3551 nomos - specifically the Law of Moses, davar: the uttered Word, the voice of God; torah: custom, manner; mitzvah: commands, verdict, right ruling) is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane,

    Therefore, anomia is the opposite of nomos and just because King James chose to use iniquity rather than the plain hard truth which is lawlessness, the meaning is still the same and it begins with ungodliness, unholiness and profanity which are the foundation of the seed of hasatan from which all other sin is built upon.

    Titus 2:14 says that "He came to redeem us from all "lawlessness" to cleanse us in order that we should do His good works", not so that we could continue walking in lawlessness and all that is opposed to Him.

    Grace has been from the beginning when the lamb was slain to make covering for Adam and Eve. Noah found grace in the eyes of God and because of his obedience, his family was spared, and so on, and so on. Grace is important as it comes from the Father, redemption comes through the Son, through His shedding of blood that sealed the covenant. There is a relationship between salvation, faith and works and the works are the evidence that His good fruit is producing His fruit on the branches. Grace has been given to the WHOLE WORLD! But as to the rest, well that is up to us to walk out His example to prove that He is in us and we in Him as He is the head, not the King James only false prophets. You will know them by their fruits". Does a good tree bring forth bad fruit? Does a bad tree bring forth good fruit?

    Lk 8:11 tells us that the good "seed" is the Word of God. Paul tells us in Roman's that the "seed" of Abraham is Messiah,and not seeds of many, but of one. Messiah is the "ONE" Living Word of God that put on flesh that is the same from beginning to end, so to say that that Word changed any part of Himself is to blasphemy God and the Son and call the Son imperfect and not fit to be the Son of God.<.p>

    So ask yourself, since God says neither He or His Word ever changes, if God says something is truth, can it ever be false? If God says something is good for us can it ever be bad for us? If God calls something an abomination and is bad for us, can it ever be good for us?

    Rom 7:12 Wherefore the Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commands: for this is the whole duty of all mankind. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

  • Why Global Anti Semitism?

    07/16/2013 7:25:49 PM PDT · 5 of 6
    patlin to The Ignorant Fisherman
    Rom 11:15 For if their casting away is the restoration to favour of the world, what is their acceptance but life from the dead? 16 Now if the first-fruit is set-apart, the lump is also. And if the root is set-apart, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you! 19 You shall say then, “The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Good! By unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by belief. Do not be arrogant, but fear. 21 For if Elohim did not spare the natural branches, He might not spare you either.

    There is only one root and that root is the Word of God that has been from the beginning, unchanging, from everlasting to everlasting, that is the light of the path to the narrow gate, the Way to the Door ... the root is all the above that put on flesh to instruct us how to walk in Him if truly He is in us and we in Him as it is the head that directs actions of the body, not the other way around. The head of the woman is the husband, the head of the husband is Messiah and the head of Messiah is the Father and the restoration of all things is that they all walk as one once again as it was in the beginning. So to boast about Judah's blindness, maybe one should take time to seek God and ask for His light to guide them through their own darkness that still exists in their heart, the root that bears all and reveals all.

    Deu 29:14 And not with you alone I am making this covenant and this oath, 15 but with him who stands here with us today before YHVH our Elohim, as well as with him who is not here with us today. Mal 3:6 For I am YHVH, I shall not change1, and you, O sons of Jacob, shall not come to an end. (See: Jas. 1:17)

    Psa 105:8 He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations,

    Psa 119:89 Forever, O YHVH, Your Word stands firm in the heavens.

    Psa 119:160 The sum of Your Word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.

    Isa 40:8 Grass shall wither, the flower shall fade, but the Word of our Elohim stands forever. (See: 1 Peter 1:24-25.

    Ecc 12:11 The words of the wise are like goads, and as nails driven by the masters of collections – they were given by one Shepherd.

    Eze 34:23 “And I shall raise up over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he shall feed them. He shall feed them and be their Shepherd.

    Eze 37:24 while David My servant is sovereign over them. And they shall all have one Shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them.

    Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! 14 For Elohim shall bring every work into right-ruling, including all that is hidden, whether good or whether evil.

    It would seem that the Word of God is telling us that those who reject His Way (Ps 119:1-6) have a lot more to worry about than Judah who God put the veil over until He says the time is right for that veil to be lifted. Where there is no Law, there is no fear and thus there is no need for a Messiah now is there? Be careful what thou boasts about as thou shalt surely to be found to have boasted in blindness, in darkness rather than in His Light. (Ps 119:104-106)

  • Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!

    07/16/2013 11:06:15 AM PDT · 209 of 229
    patlin to American Constitutionalist
    Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through the belief? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.

    2Th 2:11 And for this reason God sends them a working of delusion, for them to believe the falsehood, 12 in order that all should be judged who did not believe the truth, but have delighted in the unrighteousness.

    2Ti 4:3 For there shall be a time when they shall not bear sound teaching, but according to their own desires, they shall heap up for themselves teachers tickling the ear, 4 and they shall indeed turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to myths.

    1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,See: 11 Cor. 11:1, 1 John 2:6 22 “who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth,”See: 1John 8:55, John 15:10, 2 Cor. 5:21, John 3:5, Isa.53:9

  • Why Not Hebraic Roots? The False Teachings of the Hebraic Roots Movement

    07/14/2013 12:34:41 PM PDT · 33 of 40
    patlin to WayoftheTab

    Is or is not Messiah the WHOLE Word of God from beginning to end that put on flesh? And if your response is yes, then how can He deny any part of Himself and still be the perfect sacrifice for our sins as in denying any part of Him is for us, His sacrifice is then made imperfect.

  • Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!

    07/14/2013 12:30:00 PM PDT · 207 of 229
    patlin to American Constitutionalist
    Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Yeshua Messiah, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from lawlessness and to purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

    The Son, the Word of God therefore the Living Law of God reminded us of the fate of those who continue in disobedience.

    John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

    1Pet 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 “Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth”

    Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”[Ps 95:7-8; 1Cor 10:1-11] 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a Sabbath keeping for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

    Unless one is dead and in the grave, ones work is not done. Therefore, the Sabbath command was not done away with in Messiah, but rather filled with meaning in Messiah.

  • How the Earth’s Surface Was Shaped

    07/14/2013 12:12:09 PM PDT · 14 of 42
    patlin to Sen Jack S. Fogbound
    All of the water in the atmosphere would equal about 1 inch (2.54 cm) of all of the world’s oceans’ depth.

    Except that not all the waters of the flood came from the atmosphere

    Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

  • Circum-Decision

    06/16/2013 2:28:08 PM PDT · 24 of 28
    patlin to smvoice
    Paul speaks of is a MYSTERY ... how, from the Scriptures, Gen. 48:19 brings Jew and Gentile “back together”...

    Well, if one actually reads and studies the chapters that come before Rm 11, then one knows that Paul is speaking of Rm 7 in which I might add, that unless you understand the Law of God, he, Paul, is not speaking to you.

    Rm 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? ... but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Messiah, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

    And why was this a big deal to those Paul was speaking to?

    Jer 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.

    Law Concerning Divorce

    Dt:24 “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4 then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the YHVH your God is giving you as an inheritance.

    So because they, the lost sheep, the ones who went spiritually whoring by worshiping according to what was right in their own eyes rather than according to the Way God commanded them to worship Him, they were banned from returning and had remained under the eternal curse of the Law of divorce, which is death. But God being a merciful God and not taking pleasure in the death of any man, God provided a way for them to enter back into His house.

    And that is the “Good News”, that through Messiah, the lost sheep who had become the “fullness” of the gentiles, was freed from the curse of the Law by the redeeming blood of Messiah. They are now able to enter back into the household of God and be partakers in all the covenants of promise.

    Gal 3:13 Messiah has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Messiah Yeshua, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

  • Circum-Decision

    06/16/2013 1:22:04 PM PDT · 23 of 28
    patlin to smvoice
    Mt 2:6‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are not the least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you shall come a Ruler who will shepherd My people Israel.’”

    Micah 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.”

    Now go read the rest of Micah 5, Jacob who is Israel is in the midst of the nations as if she is eaten up by them, she walks, talks and acts like them because she has forgotten her Maker and His Law is a strange thing to her as we read in Hosea.

    He was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but then as Paul says, not all Israel is Israel because God's house is not made up of the seed of man, but of the seed of Messiah, the seed of the woman who is the bride of Messiah and who the promise of Gen 3:15 given to, just as it was given to Sarah, not to Hagar.

    Paul speaks of grafting in and then warns those grafted in not to boast against the natural branch. Why? Because Messiah said that salvation comes from the Jews. Paul says to Judah first, why? Because to Judah was given the promise of the eternal scepter, the Law holder of the Father, the one who is to rule and judge rightly by the Word of God, not adding to and not taking away, but ruling according to all that God has said and written.

    God only has one house. He named that house Israel and so all who come to join His house, join the house of Israel which is neither Jew or gentile. Caleb was born a Canaanite, so how did he become a member of Judah? Because he wholly followed God's commands because he had a different spirit within him, God's spirit of truth. Of all the adult males of the tribe of Judah who left Egypt, the only one who entered the Promised Land was the one who was grafted in, not the one who was born of the seed of man, but the one of the seed of Messiah. Yes there were those of the physical seed of Judah who entered, but all those had been born in the wilderness. There was only a remnant who left Egypt who entered into the Promised Land and that remnant was Joshua that natural branch and Caleb the grafted branch, both who wholly followed the commands of God because they wholly believed in the promise of Messiah and eternal life.

    Have you never read Hebrews 3-4 and how those who died in the wilderness never enter into His rest? Into His eternal kingdom? Have you never read in 1Cor 10 where Paul says that those in the wilderness became examples of disobedience that we are to learn from?

    John 3:36 He that believeth in the Son, hath everlasting life, and he that obeyeth not the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    As it was for them in the wilderness, so it is true for us, as to them the Gospel message was first given, which because it was not mixed with faith that God will deliver on all the promises He made, only a remnant actually received the reward of the promise and entered the Promised Land. The Promise Land then being a shadow and type of the Promised Land to come at Messiah's return.

  • Circum-Decision

    06/16/2013 12:01:04 PM PDT · 18 of 28
    patlin to trebb
    The purpose of Ephesians is the bringing the two houses of Rm 11, the gentiles being the house of Gen 48:19, back together into one new man in and through Messiah. In restoring Israel back to one, then Israel would then again become the light to the nations, to the gentiles, that she was supposed to be because now with Messiah as the head, the body would walk and shine the Father's light just as the Son walks and shines the light of the Father. (Is 49:1-6; Ps 119:104-112)

    In this, the words of Messiah are true when He said in Matthew 15, verse 24;

    But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

    In John 10 Messiah said that other sheep He has that are not of that fold, that fold being the house of Judah that He was directly speaking to in the land of Judea.

    Paul quotes the Prophets often and he didn't leave that custom of his out of Eph 2 when he, Paul, said;

    17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.

    This is a direct quote from Isaiah 57:19, “I create the fruit of the lips: Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,” says YHVH, “And I will heal him.”

    Paul oft refers us also back to Hosea who reveals that the lost sheep of Israel would become to look and act like the nations because of the false prophets that lead them.

    Hosea 8:11 “Because Ephraim has made many altars for sin, they have become for him altars for sinning. 12 I have written for him the great things of My law, but they were considered a strange thing.

    Many wanted to make the lost sheep be circumcised as a requirement for salvation, but circumcision has never been a requirement for salvation, but rather a sign of being a member of a covenant just as baptism is a sign of being a member of a covenant.

    Paul states in Eph 2 that those who come to Messiah are not heirs of all the covenants of promise made with our fathers Abraham, Isaac & Israel (Jacob). And this is why Paul circumcised Timothy, because Timothy was called to teach and to teach, Timothy was convicted to be circumcised according to the covenant of promise he was now an heir to.

    And that is the crux of the entire dialog of Acts 15, that one sect in verse 1 was teaching that circumcision was a requirement for salvation and the other sect, the believing sect in verse 5 was saying that it was a required as a sign of being a member of the covenant and body of Messiah. It was all cleared up in verse 21&22 when James said that these lost sheep, called gentiles, would hear Moses every Sabbath and in hearing they would come to understand and then do what Moses wrote, just as Messiah said would happen in Mt 23:1-3. This is called the ‘shema’ which is Dt 6:4-9 and which every Christian pastor is very familiar with. Shema means to hear and do, not just hear as to just hear is nothing because the fruit, our fruit we are to produce, is shown in the doing. Therefore, Messiah said,

    Mt 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

    He is the vine, we are the branches and if He as obedient unto death, so too are we to be if He is truly in us and we in Him. The branches do not determine the fruit, it is the vine that determines the fruit and that vine's roots are the Word of God that feeds the vine which feeds the branches.

    Faith is not a religion, faith is a walk of life and He set before us two paths, the Way of the Father (Ps 119:1) and the way of death (Prov 14:12, 16:25). The choice is ours, blessing and life or evil(lawlessness) and death. And His Way has always contained the connection to Messiah as the Son came to do in the flesh, that which had already been done from the beginning.

    Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Abraham knew the Lamb, Moses knew the Lamb. How is this if they had never known or seen the Lamb as Scripture tells us that they did?

    John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.

    Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 esteeming the reproach of Messiah greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.

    Ex 33:18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.” 19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the YHVH before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.”

    Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

    John 3:13 “And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came down from the heaven – the Son of Aḏam.

    John 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

    Mat 11:27 “All have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and he to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him.

    Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

    John 5:21 “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes. 22 “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son

    Until one understands that it has been the Son all along, the Son who comes in the name of YHVH, then whether one be Jew or gentile, that one remains blind in part and lacks understanding of the plan and the promises of the Father given to us through the Son, the Word of God, the Voice of God.

    Isa 8:14 He will be as a sanctuary, But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense To both the houses of Israel,(see Rm 11 & Eph 2) as a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

  • Circum-Decision

    06/16/2013 7:16:53 AM PDT · 16 of 28
    patlin to trebb
    Is God one?

    Does the Son say He and the Father are one?

    Is not there only one household of God?

    If the goal of what Paul is speaking of in Eph is to bring all into that one household, then how could the Son teach that the two are to remain separated?

    If God says something is right and a sign of a covenant, can it ever be wrong and a sign of breaking covenant?

    If God says something is wrong and an abomination to Him, can that something ever be right?

  • Circum-Decision

    06/15/2013 6:37:41 AM PDT · 8 of 28
    patlin to trebb
    Bravo - taking things out of context and across covenants

    Eph 2:12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

    Speaking to the “former” gentiles, Paul stands in opposition and says that it is you who are taking his words out of context. Do you even know what these covenants of promise are that we are now heirs to through Messiah? Paul doesn't say we are brought into something new, he states that we are now brought near to that which already existed.

    And of course let us not forget, the “new” covenant is not really new, it is simply “renewed” as the actual covenant does not change, only the location from stone to hearts of flesh is made. This covenant also states that it is for the house of Judah and the house of Israel(the scattered sheep) and it is when the two are brought back together that the covenant will be fulfilled.

    Religious talking points will be the demise of many just as political talking points become the eventual downfall of many because they know not that which they purport to speak of.

  • God Separates the Light and the Waters...Genesis 1 pt 3

    05/31/2013 6:41:42 PM PDT · 15 of 30
    patlin to Raycpa
    Considering that the word “genesis” is not of Hebrew origin and the fact that it did not even exist as a word until the late 16 early 17th century, why don't we take a look at how it was defined prior to its “Greco-latin” inception.

    The word “genesis came from the Greek word “ap arche” which means the “beginning of sacrifice, first fruits” which is the exact same as it is defined in the Hebrew word “re she’th”. When read in Hebrew, the word is “bre’she’th” because there is the Hebrew letter “Bet” (house) in front of “re’she’th” signifying that the “first fruits” or the “beginning sacrifice” is from the House of God”.

    Simply what this is telling us is that the Word of God is true and indeed did prophecy that the “first fruits” of God was slain from the foundation of the world.

    Yeshua haMashiach being the “first fruits” of God, we see His plan of redemption right from the start. Yeshua being the light, was in darkness and then was called forth, “there was evening (darkness of the grave) and morning (light of eternal life), the first day.

    And take notice that this “light” on day one is not the same light as what was created on day 4. Day one, the light came forth out of darkness and day 4 the light is created and is used reckon God's calendar and His appointed times (seasons = mo’ed, specifically appointed times. see 1Thess 5 and the “sons of light”)

    the light of day 4 gets its light from the light of day one and therefore, the reason there is no need of the sun, moon or stars in the eternal kingdom.

    Ps 119:105 Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path

    Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. 2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.

    Gen 1:1 בראשׁית ברא אלהים (alef-tav / alpha-omega) את השׁמים וא הארץ (alef-tav with the 'vav'(the nail) connecting the heavens and the earth)

    Studying the Hebrew reveals the un-translated word that reveals "He" who is the "first" and the "last", Yeshua haMashiach, the Word of God that put on flesh and just as He was slain in the beginning, He came to be slain in the flesh to redeem mankind from their sin so that they would go and sin no more through the power of His Holy Spirit who leads and guides all who are in He the Mashiach, in spirit and in all truth.

  • Vatican corrects infallible pope: atheists will still burn in hell

    05/28/2013 1:40:26 PM PDT · 127 of 150
    patlin to St_Thomas_Aquinas
    Those who know that the Catholic Church is Christ’s Church, yet refuse to enter it, will be damned

    Can you back that claim up with Scripture? Are you saying anyone who is not Catholic is an atheist? It sure would be nice to see Scripture for that claim also.

  • Vatican corrects infallible pope: atheists will still burn in hell

    05/28/2013 1:37:26 PM PDT · 126 of 150
    patlin to Greetings_Puny_Humans
    All obedience, works, and faith, is the direct product of the working of God who takes away our stony hearts and gives to us a new heart that is truly alive, born again through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit, predestined before the world began

    Amen! And thus we are in the process of transition from being what we were to being molded into the likeness of His Son who is the likeness of the Father. The Father is the potter and we are the clay, so let us not forget that producing the fruit through the vine which is Yeshua Messiah is but a part of the process because the conclusion of the “new” covenant states,

    Eze36:27 27 and put My Spirit within you. And I shall cause you to walk in My laws and guard My right-rulings and shall do them.

    Eze37:24 ... And they shall all have one shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them.

    Jer31:34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares Yahweh. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.” (see Heb8:11)

  • Vatican corrects infallible pope: atheists will still burn in hell

    05/28/2013 10:44:14 AM PDT · 121 of 150
    patlin to Greetings_Puny_Humans
    The scripture does not say many are called, and few accept Christ. The scripture says, many are called, but few are “chosen” (Matt 22:14)

    Yes, this is true and why is it true? Because the path the “chosen” are to walk is troublesome and there are few who find it. One can not just quote Mt 22:14 without taking into context its sister passages of Mt 7,

    Mt 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

    Dt 13:1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—’and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Yahweh your God is testing you to know whether you love the Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the Yahweh your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.

    And this is the greatest command, that we love the LORD our God with all our heart & soul (Mt 22:37-38) and we do this by obeying the voice, the Word of God. (1Jn5:3) If Yeshua taught anything different, then He would have been teaching against Himself as He is the Living Word of God and of course we know this is ludicrous, He never spoke a word against the Father, but upheld every word of the Father that was given to Him to speak to mankind since the foundation of the world and the creation of mankind. Dt 13 is the test given to every prophet to know whether or not they are a prophet of God. If a prophet (preacher) does not speak according to Moses, that prophet (preacher) speaks falsehood of which there will be none found in the kingdoms to come, Yeshua’a Millennial reign and then the eternal kingdom of the Father that comes down once Yeshua has put all under His feet.

    So if you are claiming that Paul spoke against Moses, then Paul is a heretic, a false prophet and I am going to assume that is not what you meant, to call Paul a false prophet.

    2Pet3:16 as also in all his (Paul's) letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. 17 You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,

    1Cor 1:11 “Imitate me as I imitate Messiah” (see 1Pet2:21-22)

  • Vatican corrects infallible pope: atheists will still burn in hell

    05/27/2013 8:47:14 PM PDT · 110 of 150
    patlin to Greetings_Puny_Humans
    I agree, it is the Father who chooses and ultimately justifies, but the blood of the lamb is absolutely part of the salvation process for without His shed blood, no one can stand justified before the Father. But Paul also states that we are not justified by grace alone, but also by our faith.

    Rm 2:13 for not the hearers of the Law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the Law will be justified

    and this faith is exemplified to us by Messiah who was our example of how to walk out the faith of Abraham.

    Rm 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith

    Jm 2:22 Do you see that faith was working together with his (Abraham's) works, and by works his faith was made perfect?

    Mt 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect

    So let's back up a bit in Philippians where Paul says,

    Php 1:6 being persuaded of this, that He who has begun a good work in you shall perfect it until the day of Yeshua Messiah

    And this is how we are made one with the Son as the Son is One with the Father. From the beginning there has only been “One” and that “One” is the Father. (Mt19:17)

    There has only been one way to the Father from the beginning and that way is the Way of the Father, the Way of light and the Way of Truth that leads to life. (Jn14:6; Ps119:1,92-93-,105,142,151,160&165)

    In Messiah there is a stumbling block not just for Judah, but also for those who think they know the truth yet because they reject the Way of Truth as the path they are to live by, there remains also a stumbling block for them until Messiah returns and the Word of God goes out once again from Zion. (Isa8:13-22)

    Yes, God calls many, but unfortunately few actually pick up the phone to receive His message so that they can find the true path to His life that He has to give them because that message will call them to walk contrary to the false ways (Jer16:19) that have been handed down to us from the early church fathers that defiled the Way after the apostles were gone. All throughout Scripture there is a theme, “if we will, THEN He will”. There are two parties to every covenant just as there are two parties to every marriage. The Father set the date and terms for the marriage to His Son. The Son did His part in humble obeisance to the Father and now it is up to us to follow that Way of the fathers Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, to walk in humble obeisance just as they did, not looking for our reward in this life, but looking to the true reward which is eternal life with the Father as the Son lives in eternally with the Father.

    The Son left us a clear map of how to find Him in order to walk with Him and He in us.

    Lk 24:27 And beginning at Mosheh and all the Prophets, He was explaining to them in all the Scriptures the matters concerning Himself. 44 And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be filled that were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

    He didn't say wait a few decades and read Mt, Mk, Lk, Jn and the epistles of Paul, Peter and James to learn about Me and the salvation plan of the Father for mankind. No, He directed us to all that is left of Matthew as the foundation stone of understanding the Father's will and the Way of the Father in order to walk in the will and the Way of the Father as He walks in the will and the Way of the Father.