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  • Meet the boy who says he visited heaven and saw Jesus

    03/25/2011 5:08:33 PM PDT · 8 of 66
    Ready2go to Young Werther; SonOfDarkSkies

    You don’t have to wait...SonOfDarkSkies told us on another thread about Amazon having a free “Kindle for PC”’s super for those of us whose eye sight isn’t that great anymore, and the book was only $6.13. The book was wonderful!!!

    Thanks again SonOfDarkSkies :)

  • Boy’s Tale of Heaven Is Publishing Phenomenon

    03/24/2011 7:19:58 PM PDT · 226 of 228
    Ready2go to SonOfDarkSkies

    Thanks so much for the info about the Kindle for PC
    SonOfDarkSkies...I downloaded it & got to read the book.
    It was a wonderful, uplifting, read. Thanks again. God Bless

  • Boy’s Tale of Heaven Is Publishing Phenomenon

    03/24/2011 10:19:22 AM PDT · 224 of 228
    Ready2go to Vigilanteman

    I think the Doctor’s name you’re talking about is: Maurice Rawlings M.D. he wrote “Beyond Death’s Door” and “To Hell and Back”

  • At least 3 dead in Johnson County natural gas explosion

    06/07/2010 2:51:48 PM PDT · 24 of 29
    Ready2go to El Gato
  • Reid blocks ACORN probe

    09/25/2009 12:24:45 PM PDT · 60 of 64
    Ready2go to Munz

    Munz said: “disgusting, Reid should be investigated now.
    Tossed out on his keester and his pension should be taken away.”


    Folks wasn’t Arizona getting a “recall petition” on John McCain right before 911 happened?

    Couldn’t we do the same with all the corrupt critters we have now in every state...instead of waiting until the next election (if there is a next election)?

    I don’t know...just asking.

  • FBI raid Queens, NY home in terror investigation

    09/25/2009 1:24:22 AM PDT · 539 of 651
    Ready2go to Uncle Ike; All

    Uncle Ike said: “This is much bigger than the Powers-that-Be want us to believe”....

    Hmmmmm...Anyone remember the date of Dear Leader saying “All fired up...ready to GO”?

    His eyes had a very evil dark look in them.

  • 'Obamamania' Cooling Off Fast Among Young

    09/22/2009 6:14:46 PM PDT · 76 of 110
    Ready2go to Stepan12

    Stepan12 said: “I think we should go back to the days when only property owners could vote”.


    In our NEW smaller government we should:

    1. Seal our borders
    2. Kick out all non-citizens
    3. Stop all funds to other countries
    4. No grants to any groups for any reasons
    5. Only land owners, & veterans allowed to vote with picture ID & fingerprint at the voting place
    6. TERM limts
    7. A simple flat tax
    8. A on-line monthly statement of tax monies received & spent...EVERY month.

  • Notice to Obama, Democrats and any Republicans foolish enough to vote for ObamaCare!

    07/17/2009 10:23:14 PM PDT · 259 of 578
    Ready2go to pistolpetestoys

    Maybe by finding like minded folks on-line & joining together as a start?

    Like here:

  • Bombshell coming about Daily Kos in the morning. Stay tuned...

    07/11/2009 11:15:14 PM PDT · 146 of 456
    Ready2go to FreepShop1



    07/04/2009 1:54:25 PM PDT · 50 of 67
    Ready2go to A Navy Vet
  • UK: Swine flu cannot be stopped as 100,000 new cases per day feared

    07/02/2009 9:22:24 PM PDT · 12 of 16
    Ready2go to bioqubit

    “The only way to spread true virulence is to do it intentionally, by human intervention. I will let you fill in the blanks.”

    Reading this might help them too.

  • Pflugerville man is county's first to die of swine flu (Travis county, Texas)

    06/30/2009 3:02:21 PM PDT · 17 of 19
    Ready2go to wolfcreek

    10/27/2008 3:05:29 AM PDT · 145 of 179
    Ready2go to All

    Fox is going to play it!!

  • The Obama Channel Hits Dish Network

    10/02/2008 10:14:51 AM PDT · 39 of 59
    Ready2go to SoCalConservative

    I won’t watch by choice either, but last night I accidently bumped my remote & the tv channel jumped to “The Obama channel” & there was no way that 73 number was pushed.

    Everyone try it at just one number & it takes you to 73. It doesn’t matter what mistake you make.

    What better way to brainwash folks that fall asleep watching TV?

  • National advocacy group accused of voter fraud (ACORN)

    09/28/2008 1:18:14 PM PDT · 12 of 15
    Ready2go to All

    I believe there’s a very simple action that would stop voter fraud...the same as what they did in Iraq.

    A surprise bottle of permanant ink on the desk when you go to vote. Your vote...your fingerprint.

    Just don’t announce it ahead of time.

  • West Virginia Voter Fraud Advisory Issued by Secretary of State

    09/28/2008 1:16:10 PM PDT · 11 of 11
    Ready2go to All

    I believe there’s a very simple action that would stop voter fraud...the same as what they did in Iraq.

    A surprise bottle of permanant ink on the desk when you go to vote. Your vote...your fingerprint.

    Just don’t announce it ahead of time.

  • The Tribulation has already begun New book will reveal the details

    07/01/2008 6:30:58 PM PDT · 58 of 87
    Ready2go to stuartcr

    Howdy there stuartcr;

    Yes...God knew what I was going to do long before I did!

    It’s all about that free will thingie He gave it to all of was my own decision to accept Jesus as my Personal Lord & Savior.

    The Holy Spirit will gently tug you to come to God, but He won’t force you.

  • Mystery fireball streaks across sky (SoCal)

    07/01/2008 5:43:36 PM PDT · 48 of 53
    Ready2go to HKMk23

    Amen HKMk23

    Thanks for the link.

    ACTS 2

    17 ‘In the last days,’ God says,
    ‘I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
    Your young men will see visions,
    and your old men will dream dreams.
    18 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
    even on my servants—men and women alike—
    and they will prophesy.
    19 And I will cause wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below—
    blood and fire and clouds of smoke.
    20 The sun will become dark,
    and the moon will turn blood red
    before that great and glorious day of the Lord
    21 But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord
    will be saved.’

  • The Tribulation has already begun New book will reveal the details

    07/01/2008 12:06:48 PM PDT · 50 of 87
    Ready2go to dmz; All

    dmz said:
    Endtimers, as a whole, are a group I don’t understand at all. The cynical me believes that it is the only way to rub the unbelievers face in the dirt. “See, I told you so!”

    Howdy dmz; Endtimers aren’t trying “to rub unbelievers faces in the dirt”, but instead are trying to make sure all the lost are saved. We don’t want anyone spending eternity in Hell.

    In these last days folks have been so brainwashed with the idea that they evolved...that they don’t give any thought to God at fact they scoff & laugh at the idea of eternal life, and a Heaven to win & a Hell to shun.

    God put “His Church” (every single person that has accepted Jesus as their Lord & Savior) on earth to warn the lost for the past 2000+ years about how to make Heaven their home, and what unbelievers are about to face when the Church is taken “Home”.

    Sadly there are even some in man-made churches that will find themselves left-behind too, because they’re clinging to mans ideas instead of what God told us in the Bible. They need to read the warnings to the 7 churches in Revelation.

    It’s going to take “The Rapture” happening to wake folks up to the fact that God is there and everyone will be giving Him a accounting of their lives.

    Our duty as Christians is to tell the lost how to get saved and spend their eternity in Heaven and not Hell.

    It’s not to rub anyone’s face in the dirt.

    Just read the daily news & compare the times to what Jesus said for us to watch for.

    Signs of the Times

    When Jesus’ disciples asked Him about the signs that would be a precursor to His coming and the end of the age His response, recorded in Matthew 24, was:

    Wars and rumors of wars

    Nation will rise against nation. It is very interesting to note that the Greek word that is translated as nation is “ethnos” which deals with ethnic background and race. Most of the wars and conflicts in the 1980’s and 1990’s are wars among ethnic groups and tribes.

    Kingdom will rise against kingdom


    Earthquakes are “like the early pangs of childbirth.”As the time grows nearer and nearer to His coming, the frequency and intensity of these five signs will increase.

    The followers of Jesus will be handed over to be persecuted and killed. This is happening with more frequency in the Moslem controlled nations in the Middle East, and in Africa where Black Moslems are enslaving Black Christians.

    Christians will be hated by all nations on account of His name. In many parts of the world, Christians are jailed and killed for their beliefs; in the United States those who are Christians are hated by the media and liberals, and are known by the code words “religious right.”

    Many will fall away...that is, many who claimed to be Christians will recant their faith, and betray and hate Christians.

    Many false prophets will arise and deceive many.

    Due to excessive lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold.

    The Rapture

    This is an event that will not be hidden. The concept of the rapture has already been made known to the masses. It will be treated with ridicule, contempt and mockery by the world’s media, but God will see to it that it will be highly publicized before it occurs just so that those left behind might still come to their senses. It will occur in the open, and everybody left behind will know someone who was raptured.

    It will happen suddenly, unexpectedly, and lightning fast—”in the twinkling of an eye,” as the Bible puts it. And there will be evidence all over the world that this event occurred.

    Some national leaders will disappear, celebrities in entertainment and professional sports will disappear, entire families will disappear, disbelieving spouses will see their mates vanish, children will disappear. Bank accounts, homes, cars, businesses and relationships will be left behind.

    The problem for the world’s leaders will be trying to convince people that it didn’t happen. Because if the world’s leaders admit that it did happen then, logically, everything Christians preached about Jesus Christ being the Son of God, the Savior, the Messiah, the Prince of Peace, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings and everything that Jesus preached and taught must be true.

    And if all of this is true, then the only logical response would be to fall on one’s knees before God in confession and repentance and absolute submission to every word of God (as revealed in the Bible). But all of this is diametrically opposed to the way of the world, which preaches freedom from the constraints of God’s word, perverse sex, materialism and the devaluation of human life.

    So, although the rapture will shock everybody and will be covered in the media and everybody left will be aware of someone who is gone, the leaders of the world will begin their great deception, trying to convince the population left behind that there was no rapture.

    How is this going to be accomplished? Well, pretty easily because most of the people left behind are already in a state of deception.

    They have been deceived into believing that Jesus is not the Messiah; they have been deceived into believing that the word of God is not true; they have been deceived into living a lifestyle that only brings constant pain and suffering instead of the freedom and paradise that God offers.

    The world’s leaders will declare that there was no rapture, that a mass hysteria took place, and the news media will follow the party line.

    Then to make things easier, shortly after the rapture, one-fourth of the world’s population will be decimated due to wars, famine and plague. Those who were raptured will be counted among the dead.

    After the Rapture

    Shortly after the rapture, a seven-year period known in the Bible as the Great Tribulation will take place. It will begin with the signing of a peace agreement between Israel and her enemies and it will end with the physical return of Jesus Christ to set up His kingdom on earth. In between, will be seven years of terror for those on earth.

    The following events and trends will take place in that seven-year period:

    A man will arise who will achieve victory after victory both in politics and in war(Rev 13:7). This man, who should be easily identified by his rapid rise and popularity, is your the anti-christ. Many people believe that this person must be Jewish. That is, in order for Jews to accept him as Messiah, only a Jew will suffice.

    This is not necessarily the case. The Bible does not specify that he is a Jew, and it does not specify nationality. Only God-fearing Jews will require a Jewish Messiah. The liberal, ungodly Jews who dominate Israel will be as lost when it comes to Biblical truth as the Gentiles of the world and will be deceived by his charisma, and more than likely, the desires of the world’s media.

    Currently the new nickname for the United States is the Great Satan. This may have some significance.

    Violence will increase in all parts of the world, both nation against nation (ethnic wars) and domestically. Men will indiscriminately slay one another as peace will be removed from the earth (Rev 6:3-4).

    There will be extreme inflation, poverty, and lack of food as one day’s wages will buy enough food for one day for one person (Rev 6:5-6).

    In a very short period of time, one-quarter of the earth’s population will be killed due to wars, famine, pestilence and wild beasts. These wild beasts could very well be viruses, bacteria and other microbes. In late 1995, Time magazine ran a cover story on the rise of new infections and called microbes “malevolent little beasts” (Rev 6:7-8).

    Many people will experience a religious conversion and become followers of Jesus Christ and most of these people will be hunted down and killed (Dan 7:21).

    There will be a great earthquake, the sun will be blackened, the moon will turn red and all mountains and islands (which are underwater mountains) will be moved (Joel 2:30-32).

    There will be a brief period of calm on the earth following this great earthquake which will give those who survive a false sense of security.

    One-third of the earth, one-third of all of trees and all the green grass will be burned up due to a comet or meteor that hits the earth (Rev 8:7).

    A meteor will hit the earth causing the sea to become like blood, killing one-third of all sea creatures and destroying one-third of all shipping (Rev 8:8-9).

    A “star” named Wormwood will fall from the sky and poison one-third of all fresh water killing many people (Rev 8:10-11).

    The sun, moon and stars will be darkened by one-third. The day and night will be reduced by one-third. There is some speculation that this means the rotation of the earth will be changed so that a day lasts only 16 hours instead of 24 hours (Rev 8:12).

    Fearsome locust-like beings will be released from underground who only attack people who are not followers of Jesus Christ. These attacks will be very painful but last only 5 months (Rev 9:1-11).

    An army of 200 million horse-like creatures will kill one-third of mankind (Rev 9:13-19).

    Two men (known as witnesses, see item 7 below) of Jewish origin will preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ for 3 1/2 years and be killed at the midpoint of the 7 year tribulation. These two will be responsible for a 3 1/2 year world-wide drought and will be killed by the anti-christ (also known as the beast in the Bible).

    People will be required to receive a mark on their right hand or forehead in order to buy and sell. Those who receive this mark will develop a loathsome and malignant sore on their bodies within a short period of time (Rev 13:13-18).

    The oceans will chemically change and become like the blood of a dead man (congealed?) and everything in the sea will die (Rev 16:3).

    The fresh waters will become like blood (Rev 16:4-7).
    The sun will scorch the people on earth with fierce heat (Rev 16:8-9).

    The throne of the anti-christ and his kingdom will become darkened (Rev 16:10-11).

    The Euphrates river will dry up allowing the kings of the east to march westward (Rev 16:12).

    The kings of the world will gather their armies together to battle God at Armageddon. There will be an earthquake so great that all of the mountains and islands will disappear. There will be hailstones weighing close to 100 pounds that will crush the armies that have gathered (Rev 16:17-22).

    Shortly after this great earthquake, Jesus Christ will return with His army to claim the earth as His possession (Zech 14:3-5).

    The Two Witnesses
    These two men are God’s gift to the people of the earth who refused to submit to the lordship of Jesus Christ prior to the rapture, but who will recognize the error in their life and seek God knowing the terrible mistake they have made.

    These two men will proclaim the gospel and provide hope for those left behind. Their message is for the salvation of the soul. They will have no message as to how you can avoid the hell that life on earth has become, because there is no hope to avoid that tribulation.

    If you are left on earth, then your destiny is to suffer and more than likely die. But you still have the hope of salvation. Listen to what these two men are preaching and turn to God.

    The Bible does not say who these two men are. Many speculate that they are Elijah and Enoch, two ancient prophets of God who never died.

    Regardless, they will be responsible for many of the natural catastrophes that will wreak havoc on the property and economy of the earth. They will have the power to prevent rain, and there will be a 3 1/2 year drought on earth until they die. They will turn water into blood and cause all kinds of plagues on earth and, in general, make life miserable for those who are living on earth.

    Also, they will be invincible, as many will try to kill them only to be killed by their own hands. Those who attempt to blow them up will themselves be blown up; those who attempt to shoot them will have their guns explode in their hands; those who attempt to poison them will be poisoned by their own efforts. Only the world dictator will be able to kill them and only when God allows it.

    The purpose of all the misery that these two witnesses inflict on the earth dwellers is to turn people back to God in repentance.

    The misery will be so great that when the world dictator does finally kill these two, the world will rejoice in a Christmas-like celebration, giving gifts to one another.

    Three and one-half days after their death they will be resurrected and, in full view of the entire population of the world, ascend to heaven at the command of God when He calls them to “Come up here.” Shortly after he kills the two witnesses, the world dictator will declare himself to be God. He is the anti-christ.

    The 144,000 Jewish Witnesses

    Shortly after the rapture, God will call His army of 144,000 Jewish believers into service to provide a voice of hope for Jews throughout the world. The best friends and most staunch supporters of Jews have always been true, believing Christians. It was this element of the world’s population that provided help and support for Israel and Jewish people.

    The rapture removed the Christian people from the earth and awakened the 144,000 to their purpose. These 144,000 preach to Jews worldwide that Jesus is the Messiah. These 144,000 will be spread out worldwide and more than likely go about in pairs, two by two, as Jesus instructed His disciples to do.

    It will be these 144,000 who will oppose Israel signing a peace treaty for protection; it will be the 144,000 who will identify the anti-christ for who he is; it will be the 144,000 who will warn Israel of the treachery of the anti-christ, and it will be the 144,000 who will lead the Jews worldwide to the hiding place prepared for them by God in the Judean desert.

    These 144,000 Jews are going to be strange people by normal standards: they will be celibate, very bold, fearless, spiritually strong and probably very much like John the Baptist. You can read more about the 144,000 witnesses in Revelation 14.


    Hard currency will become obsolete. This is no surprise, as banks and governments have been working to eliminate currency, coin money and paper transactions for decades. Currency and coin is expensive to produce, lends itself readily for drug trafficking and, with high tech equipment, is too easily counterfeited.

    Banks desire to eliminate the teller position as an expense item, and with the elimination of paper checks and currency, all financial transactions can be handled with a computer. The debit card will become the tool for all personal financial transactions.

    However, at some point after the rapture, probably right after the two witnesses are killed, everyone will be required to get a mark on their right hand or forehead in order to buy and sell.

    Do not, do not, do not under any circumstances participate by receiving this mark. All those who receive this mark known as “the mark of the beast” are doomed for eternity.

    By taking this mark you are swearing allegiance to the anti-christ. You may as well attempt to enjoy life as best you can because eternity for you will be hell.

    It is at this point that God will have separated His followers from Satan’s followers. Those who have taken the mark will persecute those without the mark.

    God will render judgment on those with the mark by inflicting them with a disgusting looking and very painful ulcer covering their bodies.

    So how can a person without the mark survive and still buy and sell? Again, this will almost be impossible, but there will be people who are part of the anti-christ’s regime who don’t believe in the anti-christ; they are just “survivors” who pick the “winner” and seek to profit from that relationship.

    Therefore, save up for yourself gold; gold has always had value as money and always will, even in a cashless society.

    Identify one of these profiteers and seek to purchase food and living supplies from him. However, don’t ever disclose to him how much gold you have and where it is. You want to be more valuable to him as a dealer than as a bounty.

    By the way, you will have a price on your head for not taking the mark. Obviously you won’t be living an open life, as you will be in hiding somewhere at a remote location or in the forest on the outskirts of a large city.

    Your only goal will be to eat to live and hope to escape the militia hunting for you and those like you. Should you get caught, your fate will be either death or slavery.

    If you receive this manual before the rapture and plan to be around after the rapture, then start storing up food and living supplies and put them into hiding in some remote and difficult to access area. You should include weaponry to defend yourself and medical supplies as part of your living supplies.

    Safety Concerns

    This era will be the most violent of times in the history of the world. Death, brutality and destruction will be part of everyday life. One of the defining characteristics of the last days following the rapture will be a lack of peace.

    There will be civil wars throughout the world: people will kill one another indiscriminately. Random acts of violence will fill people with fear. Car-jackings, home invasions, drive by shootings, and bombings will all increase with an intensity that will leave people with absolutely no sense of security.

    In order to survive this time, you will need to remove yourself from society and live in a remote area that is difficult to access. Getting together with a group of like-minded people would provide additional support and safety.

    As mentioned earlier, stock up on food, medicines, living supplies, weaponry and gold. You will need enough for 7 years.

    Don’t plan on being able to supplement your food with hunting and fishing because the stocks of wild animals and fish will have been depleted and destroyed by the 3 1/2 year worldwide drought and three successive meteor-like or comet-like objects that strike the earth sometime after the rapture.

    The 3 1/2 year drought is brought on by the two witnesses. The first object from outer space to strike the earth will destroy 1/3 of all trees and all the green grass on earth.

    The second object, more like a meteor, strikes the sea and destroys 1/3 of all sea creatures and 1/3 of all shipping. The third object turns 1/3 of all fresh water poisonous and kills many people.

    Needless to say, all of this will also seriously deplete the food supplies for the world’s population, causing food prices to skyrocket.

    Those people in the world who never before missed a meal or worried about food will become very familiar with hunger pangs and the feeling of going without food for long periods of time.

    This will be one of the causes of the increased violence as people become more self centered, short-tempered, and competitive for the food sources in short supply. As Jesus spoke to His disciples about these days, He said, “people will betray one another and hate one another...the love of many will grow cold.”

    Health Concerns

    Prior to the rapture, the world experienced an increase in health-related catastrophes, an increase in new infectious diseases and an increase in the return of diseases thought to have been eradicated or brought under control.

    The past two decades have brought on AIDS, EBOLA virus, flesh-eating bacteria, the return of tuberculosis, incurable gonorrhea, herpes and many other virtually incurable sexually transmitted diseases.

    After the rapture, things do not get better, as one quarter of the world’s population will die as the result of wars, famine and plague.

    Sometime after the two witnesses are murdered and after people are required to take the mark on the right hand or forehead, there will be a terrible plague causing a loathsome and malignant ulcer on the bodies of those who have taken the mark. This will be a very ugly and very painful sore that will make life miserable for those who have it.

    In addition to all this, because of the poor economic situation worldwide and the 3 1/2 year drought that depletes the world’s supply of water, sanitation practices will deteriorate even in what were advanced nations in Europe and North America.

    With the short supply of water, there won’t be sufficient water for flushing toilets, taking baths, washing clothes and transporting wastewater to treatment facilities. This will result in the increase of typhus, cholera, salmonella and E.coli infections.

    Therefore, since you have decided to reject Christ’s offer to join in the rapture, your concern is how to maintain good health in the post rapture era.

    You must build a supply of multiple vitamins with particular emphasis on anti-oxidants such as C and E and minerals. It will also be necessary to have a supply of disinfectants, particularly one that can be added to water to make it potable.

    Above all, do not accept the mark of the beast on your right hand or forehead. If you do take the mark then nothing can be done for you—you will suffer the malignant ulcer making the rest of your life almost unbearable.

    Did you ever have a canker sore in your mouth? If so, then you know how painful that one little canker sore was. Now think of having canker sores all over your body, on your genitalia, in your mouth.

    Think how painful and unbearable your life will be. Then follow that misery with eternity in hell. Don’t take that mark.

  • Israel - Iran - Russia - Gog & Magog

    06/27/2008 2:51:04 PM PDT · 29 of 40
    Ready2go to All

    The Wedding Model
    by Chuck Missler

    The Wedding Model

    In this second article in our series on the Rapture, we will explore another reason why we favor a “pre-tribulation” view of the Harpázô, the “snatching up” of the Church.

    All through the Gospels, Jesus relied on the ancient Jewish wedding pattern for many of His parables, climaxing in His promise in the Upper Room in John 14 (as reviewed in our previous article). Many of us miss the full import of these allusions if we aren’t familiar with the model of ancient Jewish wedding practices.

    Jewish Wedding

    The first step, the Ketubah, or Betrothal, was the establishment of the marriage covenant, usually when the prospective bridegroom took the initiative and negotiated the price (mohair) he must pay to purchase her.

    Once the bridegroom paid the purchase price, the marriage covenant was established, and the young man and woman were regarded as husband and wife. From that moment on, the bride was declared to be consecrated or sanctified - set apart - exclusively for her bridegroom. As a symbol of the covenant relationship that had been established, the groom and bride drank from a cup of wine over which the betrothal had been pronounced.

    After the marriage covenant was established, the groom left his bride at her home and returned to his father’s house, where he remained separated from his bride for approximately 12 months. This afforded the bride time to gather her trousseau and prepare for married life.

    During this period of separation, the groom prepared a dwelling place in his father’s house to which he would later bring his bride. At the end of the period of separation, the bridegroom came - usually at night - to take his bride to live with him. The groom, the best man, and other male escorts left the father’s house and conducted a torch-light procession to the home of the bride.

    Although the bride was expecting her groom to come for her, she did not know the time of his coming. As a result, the groom’s arrival was preceded by a shout, which announced her imminent departure to be gathered with him.

    After the groom received his bride, together with her female attendants, the enlarged wedding party returned from the bride’s home to the groom’s father’s house, where the wedding guests had assembled.

    Shortly after their arrival, the bride and groom were escorted by the other members of the wedding party to the bridal chamber (huppah). Prior to entering the chamber, the bride remained veiled so that no one could see her face.

    While the groomsmen and bridesmaids waited outside, the bride and groom entered the bridal chamber alone. There, in the privacy of that place, they entered into physical union for the first time, thereby consummating the marriage that had been covenanted approximately one year earlier.

    After the marriage was consummated, the groom came out of the bridal chamber and announced the consummation of the marriage to the members of the wedding party waiting outside. Then, as the groom went back to his bride in the chamber, the members of the wedding party returned to the wedding guests and announced the consummation of the marriage.

    Upon receiving the good news, the wedding guests remained in the groom’s father’s house for the next seven days, celebrating with a great wedding feast.

    During the seven days of the wedding feast, the bride and groom remained hidden in the bridal chamber (Cf. Genesis 29:21-23, 27-28) for the seven days of the huppah. Afterwards, the groom came out of hiding, bringing his bride with him, but with her veil removed so that everyone could see her.

    The Ultimate Bride

    The New Testament portrays the Church as the Bride of Christ in Ephesians 5:22-33 (Paul even quotes Genesis 2:24 as the union at the Parousia of the Bridegroom in v.31!); cf. Romans 7:4; 2 Corinthians 11:2; James 4:4. In the opening verses of John 14, the marriage covenant is confirmed. Paul continually reminds us of the purchase price and the covenant by which we, the Bride, are set apart, or sanctified.

    Ecclesiology vs. Eschatology

    It is this distinctive nature of the Church that is often overlooked by students of prophecy: it is more a matter of ecclesiology than eschatology.

    One thing that seems to highlight this distinctiveness is the strange remark Jesus made regarding John the Baptist:

    Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. -Matthew 11:11

    What does that mean? Jesus goes on to explain,

    For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. - Matthew 11:13

    It is John the Baptist that closes the Old Testament, not Malachi. A profound distinction appears to be drawn between the saints of the Old Testament and those of the New.

    One of the challenges in fully appreciating Paul’s epistles is the need to understand the staggering and distinctive advantages afforded the Church, in contrast to those of the Old Testament saints. And it is this role as the Bride of the Bridegroom that is emphasized in the parables and in the Book of Revelation.

    The Departure of the Bridegroom

    The Bridegroom has departed, and His return to gather His Bride is imminent. He has gone to prepare a place for you and me. (He has been at it for 2,000 years! It must be a spectacular abode!)

    This very doctrine of “imminence” is taught throughout the New Testament and is a cornerstone of the “pre-tribulational” view: there is no event which is a prerequisite condition for His gathering of His Bride.

    The Great Tribulation

    There are those who believe the Church will go through the Great Tribulation. In exploring this issue, it is essential to distinguish between persecution, which clearly has been the lot of the Church for 19 centuries, and “the Great Tribulation” of eschatological significance. The persecution - and tribulation - of the Church was clearly promised to us:

    These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. -John 16:33

    The source of this tribulation is the world and, of course, Satan. However, “the Great Tribulation” of eschatological significance is quite another matter.

    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. -Matthew 24:21

    The context here is clearly Israel. Jesus is quoting from the Old Testament:

    And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book -Daniel 12:1

    Note that “thy people will be delivered”: the focus of the “Great Tribulation” is Israel. That is why it is called “the time of Jacob’s Trouble”:

    Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. -Jeremiah 30:7

    Jesus (in the Old Testament) explains:

    I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me earnestly. -Hosea 5:15

    To “return,” He must have left His place! The offence referred to is singular and specific: their rejection of Him. In “their affliction” they will ultimately repent and He will respond.

    The Great Tribulation also involves more than the wrath of the world or the wrath of Satan: it involves the indignation and wrath of God. In contrast, the Church has been promised:

    For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,-1 Thessalonians 5:9


    Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. -Romans 5:9

    And, specifically,

    Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour [time] of temptation [trial], which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. -Revelation 3:10

    Peter also emphasizes,

    The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: -2 Peter 2:9

    Here, Peter is using the judgment upon Sodom and Gomorrah “as an example,” as Jesus also did, in which the prior removal of Lot was a precondition before the angels could do their work.

    A complete study of this issue involves careful and diligent study of both the Church (ecclesiology) as well as the eschatology (end time aspects) of the Great Tribulation, which, of course, far exceeds the focus of this brief review. It requires precise definitions of the terms used, and great care to understand how each of the elements of the revealed truth relate to each other.

    But the fundamental doctrine of imminence has to be forfeited with any view that requires the Great Tribulation - or any other precedent event - to occur prior to the Rapture.

    Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. -Luke 21:36

    Are you going to escape these things that shall come to pass? If so, how? Or are you relying on the notion that the Lord is “delaying His coming?” This could be a very dangerous presumption. Do your homework. It is important.

  • Oil hits $140 for the first time (Fill-up tonight before it hits the pumps tomorrow)

    06/26/2008 7:17:28 PM PDT · 45 of 83
    Ready2go to dragnet2

    dragnet2 said:
    I’d trade the 40s, 50s and 60s to this any day.

    AMEN a heartbeat. My parents bought their 30 acre farm with a house for $3,000.

  • Bare Knuckle Religious Discussion

    06/25/2008 11:34:58 AM PDT · 234 of 597
    Ready2go to All

    Folks if we all had a button we could push that would take us to Heaven right many of you would push it?

    What does each of you preceive Heaven is like?

    What about Hell?



    06/23/2008 9:45:53 PM PDT · 14 of 121
    Ready2go to All

    Luke 14

    Folks maybe this is what’s happening?

    Parable of the Great Feast

    15 Hearing this, a man sitting at the table with Jesus exclaimed, “What a blessing it will be to attend a banquet in the Kingdom of God!”

    16 Jesus replied with this story: “A man prepared a great feast and sent out many invitations.

    17 When the banquet was ready, he sent his servant to tell the guests, ‘Come, the banquet is ready.’

    18 But they all began making excuses. One said, ‘I have just bought a field and must inspect it. Please excuse me.’

    19 Another said, ‘I have just bought five pairs of oxen, and I want to try them out. Please excuse me.’

    20 Another said, ‘I now have a wife, so I can’t come.’

    21 “The servant returned and told his master what they had said. His master was furious and said, ‘Go quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and invite the poor, the crippled, the blind, and the lame.’

    22 After the servant had done this, he reported, ‘There is still room for more.’

    23 So his master said, ‘Go out into the country lanes and behind the hedges and urge anyone you find to come, so that the house will be full.

    24 For none of those I first invited will get even the smallest taste of my banquet.’”

  • You've Been Left Sparking Local Controversy (open)

    06/20/2008 1:32:41 PM PDT · 40 of 56
    Ready2go to Joya

    You’re welcome Joya.

    Joya said: Before you do anything, you first need to fully turn your life over to Jesus Christ. Because it’s very doubtful this web site will be around for any great length of time, I highly encourage you to download and save any material you find helpful.

    AMEN!!! And I echo Joya’s thoughts that this and all sites like it will be taken down. Most material that you all might need to survive the 7 years of tribulation will be won’t be around very long after we’re gone.

    Amos 8
    11 “The time is surely coming,” says the Sovereign Lord,
    “when I will send a famine on the land—
    not a famine of bread or water
    but of hearing the words of the Lord.
    12 People will stagger from sea to sea
    and wander from border to border
    searching for the word of the Lord,
    but they will not find it.
    13 Beautiful girls and strong young men
    will grow faint in that day,
    thirsting for the Lord’s word.

  • You've Been Left Sparking Local Controversy (open)

    06/20/2008 11:40:27 AM PDT · 36 of 56
    Ready2go to chuckles

    chuckles said:
    I believe I will be awake on Sept 29, watching and waiting for my Lord.

    Amen chuckles...I’ll be watching too.

    As for the web site...this would allow believers to give their unbelieving loved one’s a last chance at being saved.

    Instructions on how to survive the 7 years of tribulation that’s coming. It’s not going to be easy, but they can still do it. For all you unbelievers and scoffers you might want to print out this sample letter.

    A sample letter:


    Gone now are the days of wondering who was right and who was wrong. Gone is the time for choosing to believe what so many have tried to tell you. You have been told so many times in so many different ways about what was to come. But you chose to harden your heart to The Lord. And to the pleas of others that were trying to warn you of this time.

    They told you that Jesus Christ would come in the clouds to gather all His children to Him BEFORE the 7 years of hell on earth began (The tribulation). But for one reason or another you chose not to believe. God gave us the choice to believe and have faith and hope in Him.

    Hebrews 11:1-3
    1. Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
    2. This is what the ancients were commended for.
    3.By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

    Without this hope we ALL would have been lost and empty. Empty souls running to and fro on this earth searching for love and a fullness of heart, mind, body and soul. That only Jesus Christ can give. We have watched so many that would not believe, searching this world to try and find the answers and the filling of these needs. But to no avail. You have chosen not to believe the only thing that would give you all things.

    The answer was so simple. Believe in The Lord Jesus Christ!
    Seek His love, His will and His ways and choose to live!

    Matthew 6:31-34
    31. So do not worry, saying, `What shall we eat?’ or `What shall we drink?’ or `What shall we wear?’
    32. For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
    33. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
    34.Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

    You see the Lord tells us that if we look to him first for fulfillment and not to the things that the world can do for us, or give us. Then HE will give us all that we need in this world and in the life to come. I pray that as you read this you will finally open your heart and mind to Jesus and ask Him to come into your heart and save you. I pray that you will open your eyes now and see that thru Jesus is the only way to live. There is so much that He wants to give you, if you would just come to Him with an open heart.

    Jeremiah 3:19-21
    19.”I myself said, “`How gladly would I treat you like sons and give you a desirable land, the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.’ I thought you would call me `Father’ and not turn away from following me.
    20. But like a woman unfaithful to her husband, so you have been unfaithful to me, O house of Israel,” declares the LORD.
    21. A cry is heard on the barren heights, the weeping and pleading of the people of Israel, because they have perverted their ways and have forgotten the LORD their God.

    You see, there is still a chance for you to live an eternal life with Jesus. If you accept Him, one day you will be with all of us that have gone before you. If you choose to live thru Christ, then when He comes To destroy all the evil in the world you will be where there is no more pain and no more hunger or sorrow ...

    Revelation 7:16-17
    16.Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat.
    17. For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

    But if you choose not to believe, and live even if you make it thru this hell on earth for a short time. You will surely live eternally in Hell. Burning with the sins of your life. A place where the worms never die and the torment are eternal. PLEASE choose life and choose a life of wonderful peace and love with Jesus. PLEASE make that choice NOW before it is too late. Do not be blind and do not stop up your ears to Gods call. He loves you and we love you. You see you chose not to believe while that door was still open for escape. I know that the times ahead will be VERY hard for everyone. But Please..... If you would just hold on to The Lord He will guide you thru ..

    If you choose to believe, then PLEASE on bended knee bow down before our Lord and ask Him to forgive you. Ask Him to help you. Please pray this Pray and then just talk to Him. HE IS YOUR FATHER. And He will help you. He knows your heart and your needs. And He will make a way for you to bear all things.

    1 Corinthians 10:13
    13.There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

    Dear Heavenly Father,
    I come to you Lord. Lord I need you. Lord I cannot do this on my own. I know what your word says about what is to come upon the earth. Lord Jesus Please come into my heart and help me to get thru this time. Lord I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He is the promised Messiah. Lord and that He died on the cross for me, and was raised again after the third day. And now He is sitting at the right hand of the Father, and I believe He will come to put an end to all evil things and renew us thru Him. Thank you Lord for being there for me in my time of need. Help me Lord to know and to understand your plans for my life and of the things to come. Lord come into my heart right now and show me your ways. Thank you Lord and I ask all this in Jesus Mighty Name

    I pray that you have made this choice and that some day we will meet together to live eternally with Jesus in the perfect world that He will have for us. :-) God Bless you I want you to think about this and to remember that NO MATTER what happens to you in the flesh. If you TRULY are a child of God. You will live eternally.. For Gods world is not of flesh and blood but of the spirit, that will live eternally in either heaven or hell. The body is just a temporary thing but the spirit will live forever. Now I will try to the best of my abilities to explain what you will have to go thru in the next 7 years. I pray that The Lord will guide you and give you the strength that you will need to endure ...

    Just remember that no matter what ANYONE tells you... THE ONLY WAY to live eternally is thru JESUS CHRIST and not by any other means.... NO god or gods nor people will save you, only JESUS.

    The Rapture of the Church (Where did everyone go?)

    In many different Scriptures, Jesus has promised His Church that He will come back to take her home to be with Him before the time known as the Great Tribulation of the last days...

    1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17
    16.For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
    17.After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

    During the last two hundred years, this belief in the eminent return of Christ for His Church has encouraged Christians to go out and teach all nations.. Bringing them to the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. There were so many arguments about the timing of the Rapture and if this was really to take place. I have heard so many far out arguments that my heart was full of hurt and anguish that those that call themselves Christians could not even believe the one single thing that was the Blessed hope given us from God as a way to escape all that was coming on the earth and at the same time as a reward for following Him...

    However, along with the promises of His return to rapture all believers. Jesus warned that the Rapture would be followed by the most terrible time of persecution Known in the history of man....

    The Great Tribulation.

    The Tribulation is a special time of Gods judgment on the earth. Jesus Himself as well as the prophets spoke of this time in great detail. This time of 7 years will begin at the signing of a 7-year covenant or peace treaty with Israel. The one who brings about this peace will be the antichrist or the one that will become the new world leader ... he will be come from the remains of the ancient Roman culture and people. He will cause the worst period of lawlessness and destruction the world has ever seen. (There are no more Christians here to hold him back .. The Lord has given him full rein)

    2 Thessalonians 2:6-10
    6. And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
    7.For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. [I believe this is because we as Christians are indwelled with the Holy Spirit, and because He dwells within us Satan cannot stand until we are gone or taken out of the way]
    8.And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
    9. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
    10. and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

    Although the first part of the tribulation will be formed on a false peace and security.. Daniel tells about this world leader and what his career will bring about.

    Daniel 7:25
    25.He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. [Three and one half years]

    Daniel 8: 23-25
    23.”In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise.
    24. He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people.
    25. He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.

    This teaches us that the antichrist will alter times and laws to suit his own purposes. He will be a master liar, and will deceive the whole world into following him. In the mean time he is playing on the worlds desire for peace and safety.

    1 Thessalonians 5:1-5
    1. Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,
    2. for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
    3.While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
    4. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

    He will have them under his control and destroy them. Paul tells us several things about this antichrist. He apposes and exalts himself above every so called god. The antichrist will seek to destroy all truth about God and even the gods of other religions. He will place his throne in the holy of holies of the third Jewish temple which must be built upon its ancient site. When this is done it will fulfill what Jesus and Daniel told about the antichrist setting up the “abomination that causes desolation” This officially begins the last three and one half years of the tribulation period.

    Daniel 9:27
    27.He will confirm a covenant with many for one `seven.’ In the middle of the `seven’ [the beginning of the second three and one half years] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. “

    He will proclaim and show himself to be God. This IS the ultimate blasphemy. He will set himself above all else and will deceive many into accepting him as the supreme dictator. But will also demand worship of all peoples and nations.

    Revelation 13:3-8
    3. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
    4. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”
    5. The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months.
    6. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
    7. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
    8. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

    Israel will rebel at this and against the blasphemy. The antichrist will then launch a time of terror against all those who appose him and his demand for worship. There will come a time when you will be required to renounce your faith in God (Jesus Christ) and receive a mark on your right hand or forehead, and without this you will not be able to buy or sell), (BUT be warned that if you receive this mark there is NO going back. You have just signed your life over to satan.. Permanently !

    Revelation 13:13-18
    13. And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast,
    14. He deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
    15. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
    16. He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
    17. so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom.
    18. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.

    When the 7-year treaty is signed for the protection of Israel, Daniel’s prophecy begins:

    Daniel 9:27
    27.He will confirm a covenant with many for one `seven.’ In the middle of the `seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. “

    Remember that the Bible does not go by our calendar. it uses lunar years of 360 days a year. There will be exactly 7 times 360 or 2,520 days, until the Second Coming of Jesus the Messiah. At the beginning of this time there will also come the most important manifestation of God’s Grace. 144,000 Jews thru out the world will come to faith in the true Messiah Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 7:1-4
    1.After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
    2.Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 4. Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

    This will happen before any harm comes on the earth sea or vegetation. So it must come about on or near the beginning of the tribulation period. These 144,000 Jews will be the world’s GREAT evangelist, and will bring MANY to Christ during their time.

    Then come the Two Witnesses

    Revelation 11:3-15
    3.And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
    4. These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
    5. If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
    6. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
    7.Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
    8.Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified
    9.For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
    10. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
    11. But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them
    12.Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
    13.At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
    14.The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.
    15. The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

    Some believe that these two will be Moses and Elijah. I will add no more to this because I believe that the Scripture here is self-explanatory. I will try to sum up what all will be happening during the rest of this 7 year period. There is too much to write here but seek out all that you can and learn about Our Lord and His ways ....NOW !!! Books about this and (Even the Bible will become a thing that is banned.

    The first series of Judgment Begins
    The Seven Seals

    First Seal : This first seal releases the antichrist of Rome to begin his mission of world conquest. Revelation 6: 1-2

    Second Seal : War begins: First the Muslim armies led by Russia launch and all-out attack on Israel (Daniel 11: 40) there will never be a lasting peace. Second Russia and its Muslim allies launch and all-out invasion of the middle east by land sea and air Ezekiel 38:17; Daniel 11:40-41) this time will involve many such maneuvers and will take some time. Revelation 6: 3-4

    Third Seal : This seal brings world wide economic collapse. Oil import will be halted and food will become scare and very expensive. Revelation 6:5-6

    Fourth Seal : Death to one fourth of the population. In the space of a few months over one and a half billion people will perish through war,famine,epedimics,and breakdown of society. Revelation 6:7-8

    Fifth Seal : The opening of this seal brings about horrible persecution of the Believers of Jesus Christ (all Christians) The Roman antichrist and the Israeli false prophet begin a wholesale slaughter of believers. They have a very good way to expose believers they will use economics to achieve total control of the monetary system. By every person will receive a number or a mark that has or resembles the number 666no one is able to buy or sell unless they have this mark. But to receive this mark you must Renounce God and swear allegiance to the Roman antichrist. Revelation 13:13-18

    Sixth Seal : Russian leaders in a desperate situation. Decide to launch a first nuclear strike. The world is horrified but the worst is yet to come. Ezekiel 39:6

    Seventh Seal : As this seal is opened there is a lapse in time as God gives mankind a chance to repent. The Seventh seal actually opens the seven trumpet judgments that are far more severe than the first six Revelation 8:1-2

    The Trumpets

    First Trumpet : The first Trumpet brings a burning of one third of the earth surface, one third of the trees, and all the grains and grasses on the earth Revelation8:7

    Second Trumpet : Convoys of war ships and merchant ships are all destroyed. For a Great burning mountain is cast into the sea. A third of all ships and life in the sea is destroyed Revelation8:9

    Third Trumpet : This trumpet brings a poisoning of one third of all the worlds fresh water, (this also could be cause by a nuclear exchange resulting in fallout, which would poison all the waters with radiation. In our Bible this is referred to as wormwood. In the Ukrainian language

    Bible it is rendered “Chernobyl”. Revelation 8: 10

    Fourth Trumpet : Light from the sun moon and stars is cut by one third (this could be from all the fall out blocking the atmosphere.) Revelation 8:12

    Fifth Trumpet : I do not know the cause of this nor does anyone I believe, but this releases some horrible demons that are given power to torment men for five months, they will seek death but will not be able to find it. Revelation 9:1-12

    Sixth Trumpet : 200 million man army marches toward the Middle East. They whip out one third of the earths population. They do this with fire and brimstone. Which again indicates that this is by a massive use of nuclear weapons Revelation 9:15-18

    Revelation 9: 20-21
    20.The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21.Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

    And as bad as all this seems, the worst is yet to come. I pray that you have accepted The Lord and you have Him there to protect you for He is the only way ..God Be with you all.

    The seventh Trumpet sounds and again there is a pause ... Before the Bowels of Wrath are poured out.

    Revelation 15:1-7
    1.I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues- last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.
    2.And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God
    3. and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: “Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages.
    4.Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.”
    5. After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened.
    6.Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests.
    7.Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever.

    First Bowel :The first Bowel is for the unbelievers that have received the mark (666) and pledged their life to the antichrist. This brings Horrible ugly sores upon all those who have not repented. Revelation 16:2

    Second Bowel : The sea turns to blood and every living thing in the ocean dies. Revelation 16:3

    Third Bowel : Turns all fresh water on the earth to blood. Revelation 16:4

    Fourth Bowel : The suns heat intensifies and is given the power to scorch men.

    Revelation 16:8-9
    8. The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire.
    9.They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

    The fifth Bowel Revelation16:10-11)
    10.The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. Men gnawed their tongues in agony
    11. and cursed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

    Sixth Bowel : All gather for The Final Battle of Armageddon. Revelation 16: 12-16

    Seventh Bowel : Last Bowel judgment Revelation 16: 17-21
    17.The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!”
    18.Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake.
    No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake.
    19.The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
    20. Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found.
    21.From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

    This is the return of our Lord to put an end to all things.

    Matthew 24:30
    30.”At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

    Revelation 1:7
    7.Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and All the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

    Revelation 19:19-21
    19.Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army.
    20.But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
    21.The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

    After the Lord Puts all evil under his feet and all are wiped out that do not believe. Then Our Lord will Bring His kingdom down onto earth and there He will remain for 1000 years of peace on earth. Jesus Will Rein as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. And we who were taken home in the rapture will return with Him. After the thousands years of peace on earth satan will be released again for a short time .. There will be many that he will lead astray again. But at that time our Lord will throw satan and all his followers into the lake of fire and there they will remain forever and ever for all eternity ...And Heaven will then be on earth. And all Believers will live eternally with God as their King.

    More letters can be found here:

  • Cancer Patient Recovers After Injection of Immune Cells

    06/20/2008 9:52:23 AM PDT · 16 of 16
    Ready2go to All

    It’s never made good sense to me that doctors kill our perfectly good immune system (what God gave us to heal our disease’s) & then dose everyone with chemo & radition that makes folks sicker than their illness does.

    The only reason I can think of is all the money that’s made by the drug companies & medical field. Surgeries, treatments, & medication.

    I’m happy to see them finally boosting the immune system instead of killing it.

  • Messianic Judiasm Pastor using NASA on Blood moon eclipses: 2nd Coming in 2015

    06/18/2008 10:54:32 AM PDT · 86 of 90
    Ready2go to topcat54
    topcat54 said: that interpretation requires that you invent a pre-trib rapture.

    Howdy there topcat54...As I see it & read it...there's no inventing a pre-trib Rapture to it. When John is taken up to the heavenly Jerusalem he see's the Church & the 24 elders already there.

    I've always hated seeing the in-fighting going on in the body over when the Rapture takes place.

    But anyways as I read it from the git-go John is shown the church & the 24 elders already in Heaven.

    Revelation 1

    The Revelation of Jesus the Messiah to the Seven Churches

    1 This is the revelation of Jesus the Messiah, which God gave him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He made it known by sending his messenger to his servant John,

    2 who testified about this message from God and the testimony about Jesus the Messiah.

    3 How blessed is the one who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy and obey what is written in it, for the time is near!

    4 From John to the seven churches in Asia. May grace and peace be yours from the one who is, who was, and who is coming, from the seven spirits who are in front of his throne,

    5 and from Jesus the Messiah, the witness, the faithful one, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

    6 and has made us a kingdom, priests for his God and Father, be glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

    7 Look! He is coming in the clouds. Every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him. So be it! Amen.

    8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” declares the Lord God, “the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty.”

    John's Vision of the Messiah

    9 I am John, your brother and partner in the oppression, kingdom, and patience that comes because of Jesus. I was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony about Jesus.

    10 I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of the Lord, when I heard a loud voice behind me like a trumpet,

    11 saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

    12 Then I turned to see who was talking to me, and when I turned I saw seven gold lamp stands.

    13 Among the lamp stands there was someone like the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash around his chest.

    14 His head and his hair were white like wool, in fact, as white as snow. His eyes were like flames of fire,

    15 his feet were like glowing bronze refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of raging waters.

    16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp, two-edged sword. His face was like the sun when it shines with full force.

    17 When I saw him, I fell down at his feet like a dead man. But he placed his right hand on me and said, “Stop being afraid! I am the first and the last,

    18 the living one. I was dead, but look—I am alive forever and ever! I have the keys of Death and Hades.

    19 Therefore, write down what you have seen, what is, and what is going to happen after this.

    20 The secret meaning of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and the seven gold lamp stands is this: the seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches, and the seven lamp stands are the seven churches.”

    Revelation 3:8 ‘I know what you’ve been doing. Look! I have put in front of you an open door that no one can shut. You have only a little strength, but you have obeyed my word and have not denied my name.

    9 I will make those who belong to the synagogue of Satan—those who claim to be Jews and aren't, but are lying—come and bow down at your feet. Then they will realize that I have loved you.

    10 Because you have obeyed my command to endure, I will keep you from the hour of testing that is coming to the whole world to test those living on the earth.

    11 I am coming soon! Hold on to what you have so that no one takes your victor's crown.

    12 I will make the one who conquers to become a pillar in the sanctuary of my God, and he will never go out of it again. I will write on him the name of my God, the name of the city of my God (the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God), and my own new name.

    13‘Let everyone listen to what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

    Revelation 4

    The Vision of God's Throne

    1 After these things I saw a door standing open in heaven. The first voice that I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.”

    2 Instantly I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne in heaven with a person seated on the throne.

    3 The person sitting there looked like jasper and carnelian, and there was a rainbow around the throne that looked like an emerald.

    4 Around the throne were 24 other thrones, and on these thrones sat 24 elders wearing white robes and gold victor's crowns on their heads.

    5 Flashes of lightning, noises, and peals of thunder came from the throne. Burning in front of the throne were seven flaming torches, which are the seven spirits of God.

    6 In front of the throne was something like a sea of glass as clear as crystal. In the center of the throne and on each side of the throne were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back.

    7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature was like an ox, the third living creature had a face like a human, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle.

    8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and were full of eyes inside and out. Without stopping day or night they were saying, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, who is, and who is coming.”

    9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor, and thanks to the one who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever,

    10 the 24 elders bow down and worship in front of the one who sits on the throne, the one who lives forever and ever. They throw their victor's crowns in front of the throne and say,

    11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory, honor, and power, because you created all things; they came into existence and were created because of your will.”

    Revelation 5

    The Vision of the Scroll with Seven Seals

    1 Then I saw in the right hand of the one who sits on the throne a scroll written on the inside and on the outside, sealed with seven seals.

    2 I also saw a powerful angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?”

    3 No one in heaven, on earth, or under the earth could open the scroll or look inside it.

    4 I began to cry bitterly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or look inside it.

    5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Stop crying. Look! The Lion from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered. He can open the scroll and its seven seals.”

    The Vision of the Lamb Taking the Scroll

    6 Then I saw a lamb standing in the middle of the throne, the four living creatures, and the elders. He looked like he had been slaughtered. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent into all the earth.

    7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who sits on the throne.

    8 When the lamb had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders bowed down in front of him. Each held a harp and a gold bowl full of incense, the prayers of the saints.

    9 They sang a new song:

    “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered. With your blood you purchased people for God from every tribe, language, people, and nation.

    10 You made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

    The Vision of the Song of the Lamb

    11 Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels, the living creatures, and the elders surrounding the throne. They numbered 10,000’s times 10,000 and thousands times thousands.

    12 They sang with a loud voice, “Worthy is the lamb who was slaughtered to receive power, wealth, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and praise!”

    13 I heard every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea, and everything that is in them, saying,

    “To the one who sits on the throne and to the lamb be praise, honor, glory, and power forever and ever!”

    14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!”, and the elders bowed down and worshiped.

    Ttopcat54 said: A more biblical interpretation is that the image of the 24 elders represents the complete Church before the throne of God: 12 from the Old Testament era and 12 from the New. Just as we see the city of God in Revelation 21 being represented by 12 foundations stones (New Testament saints) and 12 gates (Old Testament saints)

    AMEN!!! I agree that this is who the 24 elders are & they all are in the heavenly Jerusalem before the tribulation period starts.

    And from everything I see happening in the news today it won't take to much longer before a loaf of bread will cost a days wages.

    Revelation 6

    The Vision of the Third Seal Opened 5 When the lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Go!” I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a scale in his hand.

    6 I heard what sounded like a voice from among the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, or three quarts of barley for a denarius. But don't damage the olive oil or the wine!”

    Which means to me that the Rapture is very, very near! Come Lord Jesus!!!

    God Bless you topcat54

  • Messianic Judiasm Pastor using NASA on Blood moon eclipses: 2nd Coming in 2015

    06/15/2008 8:02:16 AM PDT · 76 of 90
    Ready2go to messierhunter

    messierhunter said:
    Again, awfully sure of ourselves aren’t we? Thessalonians does not give a time frame for the rapture except that it occurs at the coming of the Lord, and to me that says post-trib, christ’s return after the trib. I wish I was wrong, I wish I didn’t believe that Christians would have to endure the tribulation, but unfortunately I’ve looked at the verses and I can’t in all honesty say that I see a pre-trib rapture being described.

    messierhunter can I ask you who do you think the 24 elders are in Revelation?

    The 24 elders are seated on thrones, wearing white garments and golden crowns. These were promised to the Church at the Judgment Seat of Christ, which is at the coming of Christ at the rapture (2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4).

    The 24 elders sing a song of redemption even though they sing it in the third person, which is possible (Exodus 115:13,16-17) to sing a song about yourself in the third person.

    The 24 elders focus in their interpretation to John the white-robed multitude and the slain Lamb, Jesus Christ. Redeemed men would better understand the redemptive work of Christ than angels.

    The 24 elders are distinguished from “all the angels” (Revelation 7:11).

    The 24 elders are only seen in Revelation after John goes to heaven (Revelation 4:1-2) and are absent in the visions of Isaiah and Ezekiel of heaven.

    The 24 elders are very different from angels.

    The 24 elders can’t be angels for the Church will even judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3).

    It is clear that the 24 elders proves that the Church is in heaven before the Tribulation. This means that the rapture has to be before the Tribulation for we see the 24 elders (Revelation 4:4) in heaven before the Tribulation starts in Revelation 6.

    Further proof of the Church not being in the Tribulation is that the Tribulation is a “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7). The seventy weeks prophecy is for Israel (Daniel 9:24) and that includes the seventieth week, which is the Tribulation.

    We see that Israel not the Church will endure the Tribulation. The Church is promised present-day Tribulation (Revelation 2:10) but Israel is warned of the Tribulation (Daniel 12:1; Matthew 24:21).

    There is no warning for the Church about the Tribulation. The Church was promised that they “will judge the world” (1 Corinthians 6:2) and “will judge angels” (1 Corinthians 6:3).

    Revelation 20:4 says, “Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them.” This is probably referring to the 24 elders so if the Church was promised that they will judge the world and angels and if Revelation 20:4 confirms this through the 24 elders then the Church then this proves that the 24 elders represent the Church.

    The 24 elders points to the belief that the rapture is before the Tribulation.

  • Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind (excerpts & commentary)[Open]

    06/08/2008 10:31:06 AM PDT · 73 of 94
    Ready2go to Quix

    Thanks for the posting & links Quix

  • Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind (excerpts & commentary)[Open]

    06/08/2008 7:42:36 AM PDT · 64 of 94
    Ready2go to Quix; fanfan

    Quix said:
    I believe that the deceptions in THE COURSE OF MIRACLES
    is just a precursor of the much heavier handed deceptions the globalists and their fallen angel/
    watcher co-horts will be bringing to the planet . . . millenia in the making and staging.

    Amen Quix;

    It was in the 1980’s when I discovered the New Age movement and “A Course in Miracles” and was able to show a couple of friends of mine that it was garbage, and a part of the moment that was going to infiltrate our churches, and deceive even the believers with a false gospel.

    At that time there was full page ads in our small local newspaper declaring the mysterious Christ figure named Maitreya was about to make his appearance

    I’m sorry to say since then I never gave much thought about it again, until Oprah started in with her New Age garbage & when I saw all the women flocking to take the course, and how her audience seem to be hypnotized by all the junk they were being fed. Looks like it has grown by leaps and bounds since then.

    As I was searching for more info to share with fanfan I came across a book written by Warren Smith July 2006. As I said earlier he was deceived by the New Age Movement. I would encourage all Christians to read it! He names a lot of leaders that are putting out this garbage.

    This is a few snippets from Warren Smiths book that I found on-line:

    Maitreya is stating that he is “Christ” and that he is in the world waiting for humanity to call him forth.

    Maitreya’s teachings are totally consistent with the New Age/New Gospel/New Spirituality teachings espoused by the “Christ” of Williamson’s A Course in Miracles, Hubbard’s The Revelation, and Walsch’s Conversations with God, and others.

    Corinne Mclaughlin and Gordon Donaldson’s New Age book Spiritual Politics is unabashedly pro-Alice Bailey and thus pro-Maitreya.

    Both Williamson and Walsch have endorsed Spiritual Politics and their Global Renaissance Alliance/Peace Alliance is founded on these same pro-New Age, pro-Maitreya teachings.

    The Global Renaissance Alliance/Peace Alliance is now involved in American politics and is positioning itself to be on the cutting edge of a new revolutionary peace movement.

    Oprah Winfrey is very dedicated to a world peace based on New Age spiritual teachings. She has endorsed Williamson’s book about A Course in Miracles and according to Walsch she once declared Conversations with God to be her favorite book.

    She describes Williamson as one of her favorite people and Neale Donald Walsch as one of the most “memorable thinkers” she has ever met. Oprah Winfrey is now featuring Williamson on her XM satellite radio program and, according to Walsch, is waiting for the right time to bring him more fully on board.

    The Bible warns that in the last days a false christ figure will destroy the world with a “wonderfully” conceived peace plan (Daniel 8:23-25). The New Age Global Renaissance Alliance/Peace Alliance is not something to be taken lightly—neither is Maitreya.

    The Apostle Paul warned: “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (1 Timothy 4:1). An evil, deceptive spirit world working through often well-intentioned, but undiscerning, people has literally turned the Bible upside down.

    These angels of darkness, masquerading as angels of light, have delivered their upside-down teachings to an undiscerning world and church. The false God and Christ of this world is now working furiously through his spokespeople to bring peace to the world—but peace on his terms.

    Through his designated spiritual leaders he is encouraging the world and the church to consciously create a peaceful “alternative” to Armageddon. Making God’s prophesies about the last days suddenly appear to be conditional, he is tempting the world with a seemingly viable option—if the world changes its mind about what it believes then the future can be changed.

    But God’s prophesies concerning the last days are not optional. Prophesies are prophesies because they are true statement about the future. They cannot and will not be altered by anyone—including God. It wouldn’t be called prophecy if it was going to be changed by God at some later time. Therefore, there is no validity to Barbara Marx Hubbard’s, or anyone else’s, contention that there is an “alternative” to Armageddon.

    Yet the big question still remains. Why does the God of the Bible go to such great lengths to describe a last days Armageddon scenario that is so obviously awful? Why are there so many “negative” warnings about a future filled with false teachers and false teachings? Why all the prophecies about Antichrist and persecution? It all seems so terrible and depressing.

    God’s answer is very straightforward. The reason that it all seems so terrible and depressing is because it is. The people in New Orleans didn’t think the weatherman was being “negative” because he warned in advance that a Category 5 hurricane named Katrina was on the way.

    Similarly, God is warning in advance about a last days ultimate Armageddon storm that is on the way. Only in this case God is not describing what could maybe happen but what will happen. God has already seen the future. He is simply telling us what He has seen.

    Devastating natural disasters don’t happen because “negative” or “pessimistic” meteorologists make them happen by believing that they will happen.

    And Armageddon won’t happen because “negative” and “pessimistic” “fundamentalist Christians” make it happen by believing it will happen.

    Armageddon happens because a spiritually deluded world makes it happen. Armageddon is not the awful creation of those who believe what God says in the Bible. Armageddon is the awful creation of people not believing what God says in the Bible. In their disbelief and faithlessness to God’s Holy Word, the world is trying to consciously create an “alternative” to the Bible.

    The Book of Revelation is not a book of possibilities. It is a book of prophecy. Biblical prophecy is not conditional. It will happen. God sees what the world is about to do. He warns everyone to beware of those in the world and in the church that will try to change His Holy Word. He warns everyone at their peril not to add or subtract one word from his prophetic warnings:

    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19)


  • Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind (excerpts & commentary)[Open]

    06/07/2008 10:47:10 PM PDT · 54 of 94
    Ready2go to fanfan

    Dear Fanfan; Please read the following testimony of:

    Warren Smith is a former New Age follower who at one time was deeply involved in the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles. He is the author of these insightful books:

    As a former New Age follower and devoted student of A Course in Miracles, I eventually discovered that the Course in Miracles was—in reality—the truth of the Bible turned upside down. Not having a true understanding of the Bible at the time of my involvement, I was led to believe that A Course in Miracles was “a gift from God” to help everyone understand the “real” meaning of the Bible and to help bring peace to the world. Little did I know that the New Age “Christ” and the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles were everything the real Jesus Christ warned us to watch out for. In Matthew 24 Jesus warned about false teachers, false teachings and the false “Christs” who would pretend to be He.

    When I left the New Age “Christ” to follow the Bible’s Jesus Christ, I had come to understand that the “Jesus” of A Course in Miracles was a false “Christ,” and that his Course in Miracles was dangerously deceptive. Here are some quotes from the “Jesus” of A Course in Miracles:

    “There is no sin. . . “ 9 [See note]
    A “slain Christ has no meaning.”10
    “The journey to the cross should be the last ‘useless journey.”11
    “Do not make the pathetic error of ‘clinging to the old rugged cross.’”12
    “The Name of Jesus Christ as such is but a symbol... It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all the gods to which you pray.”13
    “God is in everything I see.”14
    “The recognition of God is the recognition of yourself.”15
    “The oneness of the Creator and the creation is your wholeness, your sanity and your limitless power.”16
    “The Atonement is the final lesson he [man] need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation.”17
    Most Christians recognize that these teachings are the opposite of what the Bible teaches. In the Bible, Jesus Christ’s atoning death on the cross of Calvary was hardly a “useless journey.” His triumph on the cross provides salvation to all those who confess their sin, accept Him and follow Him as their Lord and Saviour. His victory on the cross rings throughout the New Testament. It has been gloriously sung about in beloved hymns through the ages and is at the heart of our Christian testimony.

    I found the Jesus of the Bible to be wholly believable as He taught God’s truth and warned about the spiritual deception that would come in His name. The “Jesus” of A Course in Miracles reveals himself to be an imposter when he blasphemes the true Jesus Christ by saying that a “slain Christ has no meaning” and that we are all “God” and that we are all “Christ.” It was by reading the Bible’s true teachings of Jesus Christ that I came to understand how deceived I had been by A Course in Miracles and my other New Age teachings.

    I was introduced to A Course in Miracles by Dr. Gerald Jampolsky’s book Love is Letting Go of Fear. Jampolsky declared in his easy-to-read book how the teachings of A Course in Miracles had changed his life. As an ambassador for A Course in Miracles over the years, Jampolsky has been featured not only in New Age circles but at least twice on Robert Schuller’s Hour of Power. While Schuller introduced Jampolsky and his “fabulous”18 Course in Miracles-based books to his worldwide television audience, it was Marianne Williamson’s appearance on a 1992 Oprah Winfrey Show that really shook the rafters.

    On that program, Oprah enthusiastically endorsed Williamson’s book, A Return to Love: Reflections on the Principles of A Course in Miracles. Oprah told her television audience that Williamson’s book about A Course in Miracles was one of her favorite books, and that she had already bought a thousand copies and would be handing them out to everyone in her studio audience. Oprah’s endorsement skyrocketed Williamson’s book about A Course in Miracles to the top of the New York Times bestseller list. Ironically, all of this was happening after I had left the Course and the New Age. In fact, I was doing the final editing on my book The Light That Was Dark that warned about the dangers of the New Age—and in particular A Course in Miracles.

    After being introduced to the world on Oprah, Marianne Williamson has continued to grow in popularity and, as previously mentioned, has become one of today’s foremost New Age leaders. Williamson credits Winfrey for bringing her book about A Course in Miracles before the world: “For that, my deepest thanks to Oprah Winfrey. Her enthusiasm and generosity have given the book, and me, an audience we would never otherwise have had.”19 In her 2004 book, The Gift of Change, Williamson wrote:

    “Twenty years ago, I saw the guidance of the Course as key to changing one’s personal life; today, I see its guidance as key to changing the world. More than anything else, I see how deeply the two are connected.”20

    Thus the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles are about to be taught by Marianne Williamson to millions of listeners on Oprah’s XM Satellite Radio program. Listeners are encouraged to buy A Course in Miracles for the year-long course. An audio version of A Course in Miracles recited by Richard (John Boy Walton) Thomas is also available on compact disc.

    Popular author Wayne Dyer told his PBS television audience that the “brilliant writing” of A Course in Miracles would produce more peace in the world.21 Williamson’s New Age colleague, Neale Donald Walsch, said his “God” stated that “the era of the Single Saviour is over”22 and that he (“God”) was responsible for authoring the teachings of A Course in Miracles.23

    Meanwhile, Gerald Jampolsky’s Course in Miracles-based book, Forgiveness, continues to be sold in Robert Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral bookstore as Schuller prepares to host a January 17-19, 2008, “Rethink Conference” at his Crystal Cathedral.24

    At this critical time in the history of the world, the New Gospel/New Spirituality is coming right at the world and the church with its New Age teachings and its New Age Peace Plan. But this New Age Peace Plan has at its deceptive core the bottom-line teaching from A Course in Miracles that “we are all one” because God is “in” everyone and everything. But the Bible is clear that we are not God (Ezekiel 28:2; Hosea 11:9). And per Galatians 3:26-28, our only oneness is in Jesus Christ—not in ourselves as “God” and “Christ.” What Oprah and Marianne Williamson and the world will learn one day is that humanity’s only real and lasting peace is with the true Jesus Christ who is described and quoted in the Holy Bible (Romans 5:1).

    Oprah Winfrey’s misplaced faith in Marianne Williamson and the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles is a sure sign of the times. But an even surer sign of the times is that most Christians are not taking heed to what is happening in the world and in the church. We are not contending for the faith as the Bible admonishes us to do (Jude 3).

    It is time for all of our Purpose-Driven and Emerging church pastors to address the real issue of the day. Our true Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is being reinvented, redefined, and blasphemed right in front of our eyes and hardly anyone seems to notice or care. If we want the world to know who Jesus Christ is, we need to also warn them about who He is not. There is a false New Age “Christ” making huge inroads into the world and into the church. The Apostle Paul said that “it is a shame” we have to even talk about these things, but talk about them we must (Ephesians 5:12-16).

    If people want to follow Oprah Winfrey and the New Age “Christ” of A Course in Miracles they certainly have that right. But let them be warned that the New Age “Christ” they are following is not the same Jesus Christ who is so clearly and authoritatively presented in the pages of the Bible.

  • Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind (excerpts & commentary)[Open]

    06/06/2008 8:17:32 PM PDT · 27 of 94
    Ready2go to Quix

    Thanks for a great thread Quix & please add me to the ping list.


  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/25/2008 3:09:10 PM PDT · 134 of 157
    Ready2go to NYer

    NYer said:
    Then the sign of the cross will be seen in the sky, and from the openings where the hands and the feet of the Saviour were nailed will come forth great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take place shortly before the last day. (83)

    Here below is a compendium of the messages given to St. Faustina

    Check this out:—Check-it-out

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/25/2008 2:30:42 PM PDT · 132 of 157
    Ready2go to Joya

    I only heard of it last week-end Joya.

    For more blessings go here:

    Then go down to & listen to this:

    Interview with Mark Biltz on the Solar and Lunar Eclipses in 2014/15 Pt. 1 & Pt 2

    As always I’m ready2go. :)

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/25/2008 1:57:47 PM PDT · 130 of 157
    Ready2go to Joya

    I only heard of it last week-end Joya.

    For more blessings go here:

    Then go down to this & listen to this:

    Interview with Mark Biltz on Solar and Lunar Eclipses in 2014/15 (Pt. 1) & Pt 2

    We won’t know the day or the hour, but God want’s us to know the general time frame.

    There’s a very good chance the Rapture will happen this year on Rosh HaShanah. Yippee!!!!

    As always I’m ready2go. :)

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/24/2008 11:24:41 PM PDT · 125 of 157
    Ready2go to chuckles

    Amen chuckles!!!

    I’m certainly looking forward to Jesus soon return. To get to see Him face to face and thank Him for everything He does for a lost sinner like me.

    What a awesome day that will be.

    Thank you Jesus!!!

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/24/2008 11:20:17 PM PDT · 124 of 157
    Ready2go to Joya

    I was blessed by it and it’s the first time I ever heard about it...neat!!!

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/19/2008 12:52:37 PM PDT · 86 of 157
    Ready2go to chuckles
    AMEN & AMEN chuckles

    1 Thessalonians 5

    1 Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don’t really need to write you.

    2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord’s return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night.

    3 When people are saying, “Everything is peaceful and secure,” then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman’s labor pains begin. And there will be no escape.

    4 But you aren’t in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won’t be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief.

    5 For you are all children of the light and of the day; we don’t belong to darkness and night.

    6 So be on your guard, not asleep like the others. Stay alert and be clearheaded.

    7 Night is the time when people sleep and drinkers get drunk.

    8 But let us who live in the light be clearheaded, protected by the armor of faith and love, and wearing as our helmet the confidence of our salvation.

    9 For God chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not to pour out his anger on us. .

    10 Christ died for us so that, whether we are dead or alive when he returns, we can live with him forever.

  • Evolution, Creationism, and Intelligent Design (A Libertarian Agnostic's View)

    05/19/2008 11:30:52 AM PDT · 161 of 162
    Ready2go to All
    I received this email over the week-end & all I can say is WOW what a blessing!!!

    This is so good. Please read.

    This is really neat and just reinforces what we've always known; that "Our God is an Awesome God!' Just a little more incredible stuff from our Creator.

    A couple of days ago I was running (I use that term very loosely) on my treadmill, watching a DVD sermon by Louie Giglio...and I was BLOWN AWAY! I want to share what I learned....but I fear not being able to convey it as well as I want. I will share anyway.

    He (Louie) was talking about how inconceivably BIG our God He spoke the universe into He breathes stars out of His mouth that are huge raging balls of fire...etc. etc.

    Then He went on to speak of how this star-breathing, universe creating God ALSO knitted our human bodies together with amazing detail and wonder.

    At this point I am LOVING it (fascinating from a medical standpoint, you know.) ...and I was remembering how I was constantly amazed during medical school as I learned more and more about God's handiwork. I remember so many times thinking...'How can ANYONE deny that a Creator did all of this???'

    Louie went on to talk about how we can trust that the God who created all this, also has the power to hold it all together when things seem to be falling our loving Creator is also our sustainer.

    And then I lost my breath.

    And it wasn't because I was running on my treadmill, either!!! It was because he started talking about laminin.

    I knew about laminin. Here is how wikipedia describes them :'Laminins are a family of proteins that are an integral part of the structural scaffolding of basement membranes in almost every animal tissue.'

    You see....laminins are what hold us together ..LITERALLY. They are cell adhesion molecules. They are what holds one cell of our bodies to the next cell. Without them, we would literally fall apart. And I knew all this already. But what I didn't know is what lamini an LOOKED LIKE.

    But now I do.

    And I have thought about it a thousand times since (already)....Here is what the structure of laminin looks like...AND THIS IS NOT a 'Christian portrayal' of it....if you look up laminin in any scientific/medical piece of literature, this is what you will see...

    Now tell me that our God is not the coolest!!!


    The glue that holds us together....ALL of in the shape of the cross.

    Immediately Colossians 1:15-17 comes to mind.

    'He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created; things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things HOLD TOGETHER.'Colossians 1:15-17

    Call me crazy. I just think that is very, very, very cool. Thousands of years before the world knew anything about laminin, Paul penned those words. And now we see that from a very LITERAL standpoint, we are held together cell to the cross.

    You would never in a quadrillion years convince me that is anything other than the mark of a Creator who knew EXACTLY what laminin 'glue' would look like long before Adam even breathed his first breath!!

    We praise YOU, Lord!

    Sorry folks, I can't get the image to post, but go to google to see it.,GGLG:2005-27,GGLG:en&q=laminin

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/19/2008 8:00:45 AM PDT · 84 of 157
    Ready2go to All
    I received this email over the week-end & all I can say is WOW what a blessing!!!

    This is so good. Please read.

    This is really neat and just reinforces what we've always known; that "Our God is an Awesome God!' Just a little more incredible stuff from our Creator.

    A couple of days ago I was running (I use that term very loosely) on my treadmill, watching a DVD sermon by Louie Giglio...and I was BLOWN AWAY! I want to share what I learned....but I fear not being able to convey it as well as I want. I will share anyway.

    He (Louie) was talking about how inconceivably BIG our God He spoke the universe into He breathes stars out of His mouth that are huge raging balls of fire...etc. etc.

    Then He went on to speak of how this star-breathing, universe creating God ALSO knitted our human bodies together with amazing detail and wonder.

    At this point I am LOVING it (fascinating from a medical standpoint, you know.) ...and I was remembering how I was constantly amazed during medical school as I learned more and more about God's handiwork. I remember so many times thinking...'How can ANYONE deny that a Creator did all of this???'

    Louie went on to talk about how we can trust that the God who created all this, also has the power to hold it all together when things seem to be falling our loving Creator is also our sustainer.

    And then I lost my breath.

    And it wasn't because I was running on my treadmill, either!!!
    It was because he started talking about laminin.

    I knew about laminin. Here is how wikipedia describes them :'Laminins are a family of proteins that are an integral part of the structural scaffolding of basement membranes in almost every animal tissue.'

    You see....laminins are what hold us together ..LITERALLY. They are cell adhesion molecules. They are what holds one cell of our bodies to the next cell. Without them, we would literally fall apart. And I knew all this already. But what I didn't know is what lamini n LOOKED LIKE.

    But now I do.

    And I have thought about it a thousand times since (already)....Here is what the structure of laminin looks like...AND THIS IS NOT a 'Christian portrayal' of it....if you look up laminin in any scientific/medical piece of literature, this is what you will see...

    Now tell me that our God is not the coolest!!!


    The glue that holds us together....ALL of in the shape of the cross.

    Immediately Colossians 1:15-17 comes to mind.

    'He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created; things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things HOLD TOGETHER.'Colossians 1:15-17

    Call me crazy. I just think that is very, very, very cool. Thousands of years before the world knew anything about laminin, Paul penned those words. And now we see that from a very LITERAL standpoint, we are held together cell to the cross.

    You would never in a quadrillion years convince me that is anything other than the mark of a Creator who knew EXACTLY what laminin 'glue' would look like long before Adam even breathed his first breath!!

    We praise YOU, Lord!

    Sorry guys I can't get the image to post, but go to google to see it.,GGLG:2005-27,GGLG:en&q=laminin

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/17/2008 8:25:28 PM PDT · 52 of 157
    Ready2go to Oztrich Boy
    2 Peter 3 The Day of the Lord Is Coming

    1 This is my second letter to you, dear friends, and in both of them I have tried to stimulate your wholesome thinking and refresh your memory.

    2 I want you to remember what the holy prophets said long ago and what our Lord and Savior commanded through your apostles.

    3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires.

    4 They will say, “What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.”

    5 They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth out from the water and surrounded it with water.

    6 Then he used the water to destroy the ancient world with a mighty flood.

    7 And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.

    8 But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.

    9 The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.

    10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.

    11 Since everything around us is going to be destroyed like this, what holy and godly lives you should live,

    12 looking forward to the day of God and hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the elements will melt away in the flames.

    13 But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness.

    14 And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to be found living peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight.

    15 And remember, the Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him—

    16 speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction.

    Peter’s Final Words

    17 I am warning you ahead of time, dear friends. Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors of these wicked people and lose your own secure footing.

    18 Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen.

  • 'Birth pains' have begun (End Days Alert) [Open]

    05/17/2008 8:14:52 PM PDT · 51 of 157
    Ready2go to chuckles

    Amen chuckles!!!

    Jesus is coming very, very soon!

    And I’m ready2go :)

  • Where Do the Dinosaurs Fit? [Open]

    05/17/2008 2:15:23 PM PDT · 36 of 63
    Ready2go to donmeaker

    donmeaker said: So, do you assert that the Bible said that man could ‘see’ the behemoth?

    Science suggests that no man ever saw one alive.

    If we find a new fossil tomorrow with monkey bones preserved with dinosaur bones, that could change. So far, that is not available.

    Howdy donmeaker;

    God said it...and I belive it.

    None of us was around to see it for ourselves, and from the description given to us...I’m glad it was gone before I got here.

  • Where Do the Dinosaurs Fit? [Open]

    05/17/2008 8:51:38 AM PDT · 12 of 63
    Ready2go to All

    Job 40

    15 “Take a look at Behemoth, which I made, just as I made you. It eats grass like an ox.

    16 See its powerful loins and the muscles of its belly.

    17 Its tail is as strong as a cedar. The sinews of its thighs are knit tightly together.

    18 Its bones are tubes of bronze. Its limbs are bars of iron.

    19 It is a prime example of God’s handiwork, and only its Creator can threaten it.

    20 The mountains offer it their best food, where all the wild animals play.

    21 It lies under the lotus plants, hidden by the reeds in the marsh.

    22 The lotus plants give it shade among the willows beside the stream.

    23 It is not disturbed by the raging river, not concerned when the swelling Jordan rushes around it.

    24 No one can catch it off guard or put a ring in its nose and lead it away.

    Job 41

    The Lord’s Challenge Continues

    1 “Can you catch Leviathan with a hook or put a noose around its jaw?

    2 Can you tie it with a rope through the nose or pierce its jaw with a spike?

    3 Will it beg you for mercy or implore you for pity?

    4 Will it agree to work for you, to be your slave for life?

    5 Can you make it a pet like a bird, or give it to your little girls to play with?

    6 Will merchants try to buy it to sell it in their shops?

    7 Will its hide be hurt by spears or its head by a harpoon?

    8 If you lay a hand on it, you will certainly remember the battle that follows. You won’t try that again!

    9 No, it is useless to try to capture it. The hunter who attempts it will be knocked down.

    10 And since no one dares to disturb it, who then can stand up to me?

    11 Who has given me anything that I need to pay back?
    Everything under heaven is mine.

    12 “I want to emphasize Leviathan’s limbs and its enormous strength and graceful form.

    13 Who can strip off its hide, and who can penetrate its double layer of armor?

    14 Who could pry open its jaws? For its teeth are terrible!

    15 Its scales are like rows of shields tightly sealed together.

    16 They are so close together that no air can get between them.

    17 Each scale sticks tight to the next. They interlock and cannot be penetrated.

    18 “When it sneezes, it flashes light! Its eyes are like the red of dawn.

    19 Lightning leaps from its mouth; flames of fire flash out.

    20 Smoke streams from its nostrils like steam from a pot heated over burning rushes.

    21 Its breath would kindle coals, for flames shoot from its mouth.

    22 “The tremendous strength in Leviathan’s neck strikes terror wherever it goes.

    23 Its flesh is hard and firm and cannot be penetrated.

    24 Its heart is hard as rock, hard as a millstone.

    25 When it rises, the mighty are afraid, gripped by terror.

    26 No sword can stop it, no spear, dart, or javelin.

    27 Iron is nothing but straw to that creature, and bronze is like rotten wood.

    28 Arrows cannot make it flee. Stones shot from a sling are like bits of grass.

    29 Clubs are like a blade of grass, and it laughs at the swish of javelins.

    30 Its belly is covered with scales as sharp as glass.
    It plows up the ground as it drags through the mud.

    31 “Leviathan makes the water boil with its commotion.
    It stirs the depths like a pot of ointment.

    32 The water glistens in its wake, making the sea look white.

    33 Nothing on earth is its equal, no other creature so fearless.

    34 Of all the creatures, it is the proudest. It is the king of beasts.”

  • Gay marriage legal in California, court declares (Just In)

    05/16/2008 10:26:38 AM PDT · 86 of 88
    Ready2go to PROCON

    Your welcome & God will not be mocked...for sure!

  • Evolution, Creationism, and Intelligent Design (A Libertarian Agnostic's View)

    05/16/2008 10:16:08 AM PDT · 147 of 162
    Ready2go to All

    1 Thessalonians 4

    The Hope of the Resurrection

    13 And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the believers who have died so you will not grieve like people who have no hope.

    14 For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him the believers who have died.

    15 We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died.

    16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves.

    17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.

    18 So encourage each other with these words.

    1 Corinthians 15

    The Resurrection of the Dead

    12 But tell me this—since we preach that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying there will be no resurrection of the dead?

    13 For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised either.

    14 And if Christ has not been raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your faith is useless.

    15 And we apostles would all be lying about God—for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave. But that can’t be true if there is no resurrection of the dead.

    16 And if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised.

    17 And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless and you are still guilty of your sins.

    18 In that case, all who have died believing in Christ are lost!

    19 And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

    20 But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the first of a great harvest of all who have died.

    21 So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man.

    22 Just as everyone dies because we all belong to Adam, everyone who belongs to Christ will be given new life.

    23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

    24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power.

    25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet.

    26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

    27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”(Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)

    28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

    29 If the dead will not be raised, what point is there in people being baptized for those who are dead? Why do it unless the dead will someday rise again?

    30 And why should we ourselves risk our lives hour by hour?

    31 For I swear, dear brothers and sisters, that I face death daily. This is as certain as my pride in what Christ Jesus our Lord has done in you.

    32 And what value was there in fighting wild beasts—those people of Ephesus—if there will be no resurrection from the dead? And if there is no resurrection, “Let’s feast and drink, for tomorrow we die!”

    33 Don’t be fooled by those who say such things, for “bad company corrupts good character.”

    34 Think carefully about what is right, and stop sinning. For to your shame I say that some of you don’t know God at all.

    The Resurrection Body

    35 But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?”

    36 What a foolish question! When you put a seed into the ground, it doesn’t grow into a plant unless it dies first.

    37 And what you put in the ground is not the plant that will grow, but only a bare seed of wheat or whatever you are planting.

    38 Then God gives it the new body he wants it to have. A different plant grows from each kind of seed.

    39 Similarly there are different kinds of flesh—one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.

    40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies.

    41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.

    42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever.

    43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength.

    44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

    45 The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

    46 What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later.

    47 Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven.

    48 Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man.

    49 Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man.

    50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

    51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

    52 It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.

    53 For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.

    54 Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled:

    “Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

    56 For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power.

    57 But thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and immovable. Always work enthusiastically for the Lord, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless.

    Romans 8

    The Future Glory

    18 Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory he will reveal to us later.

    19 For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are.

    20 Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope,

    21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

    22 For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

    23 And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children,including the new bodies he has promised us.

    24 We were given this hope when we were saved. (If we already have something, we don’t need to hope for it.

    25 But if we look forward to something we don’t yet have, we must wait patiently and confidently.)

  • Evolution, Creationism, and Intelligent Design (A Libertarian Agnostic's View)

    05/16/2008 7:53:51 AM PDT · 145 of 162
    Ready2go to All
    BIBLE=Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

    Daniel 12 The Time of the End

    “At that time Michael, the archangel who stands guard over your nation, will arise. Then there will be a time of anguish greater than any since nations first came into existence. But at that time every one of your people whose name is written in the book will be rescued.

    2 Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace.

    3 Those who are wise will shine as bright as the sky, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever.

    4 But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase.”

    5 Then I, Daniel, looked and saw two others standing on opposite banks of the river.

    6 One of them asked the man dressed in linen, who was now standing above the river, “How long will it be until these shocking events are over?”

    7 The man dressed in linen, who was standing above the river, raised both his hands toward heaven and took a solemn oath by the One who lives forever, saying, “It will go on for a time, times, and half a time. When the shattering of the holy people has finally come to an end, all these things will have happened.”

    8 I heard what he said, but I did not understand what he meant. So I asked, “How will all this finally end, my lord?”

    9 But he said, “Go now, Daniel, for what I have said is kept secret and sealed until the time of the end.

    10 Many will be purified, cleansed, and refined by these trials. But the wicked will continue in their wickedness, and none of them will understand. Only those who are wise will know what it means.

    11 “From the time the daily sacrifice is stopped and the sacrilegious object that causes desecration is set up to be worshiped, there will be 1,290 days.

    12 And blessed are those who wait and remain until the end of the 1,335 days!

    13 “As for you, go your way until the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days, you will rise again to receive the inheritance set aside for you.”

    2 Thessalonians 2 Events prior to the Lord’s Second Coming

    1 Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him.

    2 Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us.

    3 Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction.

    4 He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

    5 Don’t you remember that I told you about all this when I was with you?

    6 And you know what is holding him back, for he can be revealed only when his time comes.

    7 For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way.

    8 Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming.

    9 This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles.

    10 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.

    11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies.

    12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth.

    Believers Should Stand Firm

    13 As for us, we can’t help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We are always thankful that God chose you to be among the first to experience salvation—a salvation that came through the Spirit who makes you holy and through your belief in the truth.

    14 He called you to salvation when we told you the Good News; now you can share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    15 With all these things in mind, dear brothers and sisters, stand firm and keep a strong grip on the teaching we passed on to you both in person and by letter.

    16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal comfort and a wonderful hope,

    17 comfort you and strengthen you in every good thing you do and say.

    Matthew 24 Jesus Foretells the Future

    1 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings.

    2 But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”

    3 Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?”

    4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you,

    5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many.

    6 And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately.

    7 Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world.

    8 But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.

    9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.

    10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other.

    11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people.

    12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold.

    13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

    14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.

    15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!)

    16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills.

    17 A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack.

    18 A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat.

    19 How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days.

    20 And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

    21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again.

    22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.

    23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it.

    24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.

    25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.

    26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it!

    27 For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.

    28 Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.

    29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days,

    the sun will be darkened, the moon will give no light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

    30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    31 And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world —from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

    32 “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near.

    33 In the same way, when you see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door.

    34 I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place.

    35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

    36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

    37 “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day.

    38 In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat.

    39 People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.

    40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left.

    41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.

    42 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming.

    43 Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into.

    44 You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.

    45 “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them.

    46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward.

    47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns.

    48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’

    49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk?

    50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected,

    51 and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Revelation 22

    Jesus Is Coming

    7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed are those who obey the words of prophecy written in this book.”

    8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw all these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me.

    9 But he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship only God!”

    10 Then he instructed me, “Do not seal up the prophetic words in this book, for the time is near.

    ***Please compare to Daniel***

    11 Let the one who is doing harm continue to do harm; let the one who is vile continue to be vile; let the one who is righteous continue to live righteously; let the one who is holy continue to be holy.”

    12 “Look, I am coming soon, bringing my reward with me to repay all people according to their deeds.

    13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

    14 Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.

    15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.

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    2 Peter 2

    4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment.

    5 And God did not spare the ancient world—except for Noah and the seven others in his family. Noah warned the world of God’s righteous judgment. So God protected Noah when he destroyed the world of ungodly people with a vast flood.

    6 Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people.

    7 But God also rescued Lot out of Sodom because he was a righteous man who was sick of the shameful immorality of the wicked people around him.

    8 Yes, Lot was a righteous man who was tormented in his soul by the wickedness he saw and heard day after day.

    9 So you see, the Lord knows how to rescue godly people from their trials, even while keeping the wicked under punishment until the day of final judgment.

    10 He is especially hard on those who follow their own twisted sexual desire, and who despise authority

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    Fichori said:
    I may think as fast as Moses could talk, but by Gods grace, I get it right eventually.

    LOL...there you go Fichori.

  • Postmodernism At Work

    05/01/2008 12:47:11 PM PDT · 176 of 287
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    Fichori said:

    What if the Designer didn't want a 'perfect machine' that would last for eternity?

    What if our idea of a perfect design is not what he had in mind?

    If the Designer is indeed Sovereign, would not it be his prerogative?

    Bingo Fichori!!!

    Psalm 90:10 10 Seventy years are given to us! Some even live to eighty. But even the best years are filled with pain and trouble; soon they disappear, and we fly away.