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  • Artist Draws All 100,000 Objects in Grandpaís Shed

    08/21/2015 11:14:45 AM PDT · 38 of 43
    reformedliberal to Ditter

    Blame the instructors. I was an art student at UW-M (Milwaukee) in the late 60’s. That sort of stuff was enthused over and encouraged. The very worst crit you could get from an art teacher/professor was “It’ll sell.”

    Today, I hear, “Well, you actually made a living at it!” (depends on what you call ‘a living’), from some of those very same students, most whom didn’t continue in art, but didn’t end up destitute, either.

    I remember when they re-named Commercial Art something like Advertising Design. People would get agitated if you said you did ‘commercial art.’ ‘Commercial’ became a dirty word.

  • From rents to haircuts, Americans start to feel price increases

    08/03/2015 4:17:24 AM PDT · 60 of 62
    reformedliberal to gartrell bibberts

    Look for a Sam’s. The last couple of months I have found 90% ground beef for $3.89, usually 4#-5#packages. Boneless, skinless huge chicken breasts (about 1#/ea) are $1.88/lb.

    However, adding up all the ingredients for a recipe, I find I am spending about $2/serving/meal. Once in a wile, I can cut that back to $1.50. I cook for 2 people.

    Sam’s, Aldi’s, managers specials, other sales are now facts of life.

  • Aldi and Lidl Are Ready To Invade the U.S. Beware Walmart and Target!

    07/22/2015 4:28:48 PM PDT · 57 of 59
    reformedliberal to PghBaldy

    Neither did I at first. Now I can confidently purchase their house brands because they are terrific.

    As for *horse meat*, I bought some special order spareribs that were lean and juicy, some baby backs, ditto at prices about .40-.60/lb below Walmart’s fatty offerings. Their corned beef is always $1-$2 less than anywhere else and is just fine. I haven’t bought other meat there, as my local grocery store has good deals or I go to Sam’s, also good prices/value/quality.

    Produce is exceptional quality and exceptionally low price.

    I buy their restaurant quality coffee at $4/12 oz and mix it 1/2 and 1/2 with my pricey Sumatra ($11/lb.)No one can tell the difference.

    .39/individual container of flavored yogurt
    .65 for Chobani singles
    $1.00 for 8oz cream cheese
    $1.60 for a quart of 1/2 & 1/2
    My favorite water for $2 less than anywhere else
    $4 for a Cabernet BETTER than some $11 offerings

    I have gone from a cautious shopping of $30-$50 to buying $70-$80 at a time there because of the quality/price. If they were closer, I would probably do 90% of my shopping there...I have to travel 45 miles each way.

  • Chicago To Apply 9% 'Netflix Tax'

    07/09/2015 5:53:35 AM PDT · 8 of 14
    reformedliberal to SeekAndFind

    So, how does this work? Are the streaming services/online storage services mandated to collect tax from IL residents and then turn it over to the state? While this is huge for businesses, a personal subscription to a streaming service is low-priced, so the tax amounts to maybe $10/year (ex:Amazon Prime).

    I don’t live in IL and I avoid the Cloud. I back up on flash drives and stand alone off-line devices. If my state taxed my Netflix subscription, it would add under $2/month to my fee and I would hate it, but probably figure I was still getting a bargain. The principle is important, but the reality isn’t punitive for the retail consumer.

    Oh, and how long before they add this tax to ebooks? I’ve noticed a media hate-on for Amazon Kindle recently.

  • USPS canít keep rate increase forever, court rules

    06/07/2015 12:52:41 PM PDT · 30 of 31
    reformedliberal to VeniVidiVici

    The $18+ was the cost quote on the UPS website. I use the website all the time to estimate the shipping costs. It’s somewhat higher at the UPS Store. I think it’s less than a 50% add-on though. It beats the hassle of trying to get to the hub between 5&7 am or 5&7pm. What costs out the wazoo is UPS pickup in a rural area. It’s only affordable if you ship high volume on a regular basis.

  • USPS canít keep rate increase forever, court rules

    06/07/2015 5:41:00 AM PDT · 26 of 31
    reformedliberal to Rodamala

    Check the costs. I just sent 3# in a 12”x15”x4” box from the center of the country to Southern California. USPS: $11.59. UPS Ground: $18 and change and that was through a UPS Store, meaning I provided about 50 miles of transport.

  • Cable news is in trouble, and itís more about the news than the cable

    05/10/2015 8:41:51 PM PDT · 46 of 47
    reformedliberal to VerySadAmerican

    What you said.

    We did watch both the US and UK versions of Shameless and House of Cards (DVD and streaming). Made us very glad to be not trendy, out of it and old-fashioned. It is all so sad.

  • Cable news is in trouble, and itís more about the news than the cable

    05/10/2015 1:36:55 PM PDT · 41 of 47
    reformedliberal to VerySadAmerican

    And they don’t even give you the weather reports.

    They give fraudulent weather reports slanted to their political agenda. Such as the *early* tropical storm that isn’t.

    That said, we dropped sat TV in 2008. Very glad we did. We are still well-informed, perhaps more so, as we surf around the net to various points of view and various facts and then draw our own conclusions.

    When we dropped TV, I bookmarked FNC, thinking I would be spending time there. Nope. In B&W print, even w/video clips, their bias and manipulation in favor of GOPe and Dem Lite was even more apparent.

    Video news is a lazy way to be informed.

  • New York Dairy farmers bemoan lack of illegal aliens

    03/31/2015 4:46:37 PM PDT · 51 of 57
    reformedliberal to 9YearLurker

    SUburban and rural markets have plenty of young people interested in farming. Farmers simply need to 1) pay better, 2) make the jobs a little more employee friendly, and 3) learn how to do effective employment outreach.

    Not sure about your premise. I live in dairy country. In the high school, *farmer* is an insult. One farm family I know used to tease the oldest daughter that she would marry a farmer. She would cry.

    The farmer’s kids grow up seeing how little their parents get to keep. I hear all the time from neighbors that the kids, now adults, do not want to inherit the family business. They don’t want to have to sell it just to pay the estate taxes, either.

    I hire a couple of kids from a huge family to do yard work. They have turned their labor into a business. They just bought a lawn tractor....the older one is 14. I was so thrilled to discover them, because for years there were no teens around who would do this sort of work and if I found someone, they were useless. These boys work hard and earn the $10 hour they are paid. And that is the absolute minimum pay for casual labor out here. House cleaners _start_ at $15/hr while building a client base and go to $30 as quickly as possible.

    In the families I know that milk, the wives clean udders, hook up machines, clean machines, clean tanks until the day comes when they simply cannot do it any longer. It is hard physical labor for little profit. Relief milkers are hard to find. Many simply sell the herd. I know people who have even quit row crops, mainly due to the cost of diesel. Instead, they raise feeder calves, which is more profitable. It’s a rare farm family that doesn’t have someone working off the farm.

  • Amish family facing court-ordered eviction from Wisconsin home (UN Agenda 21 zoning laws)

    03/25/2015 5:32:26 AM PDT · 67 of 78
    reformedliberal to EternalVigilance

    In Wisconsin, those regulations are the purview of the county or the township. Water(well and septic) is overseen by the county, while building permits and the like are set by each township. If there is a mortgage, the bank can set requirements for a property. If there is insurance, smoke detectors can be mandated by the policy. Home insurance will have a waiver (an amount that must be paid by the homeowner) for a wood stove. This usually covers the portion of the fee for the volunteer FD that is not covered by taxes,in case of a fire.

    I am in rural Wisconsin a couple of counties south of Eau Claire.

  • Amish family facing court-ordered eviction from Wisconsin home (UN Agenda 21 zoning laws)

    03/25/2015 5:23:27 AM PDT · 65 of 78
    reformedliberal to BBell


    In our area, south of the one in the article, if there is a mortgage, the Amish are required by the bank to leave the electrical lines, sewage, etc in place. Otherwise, the resale value/equity is destroyed. The Bishops allow the lines to remain and the owners simply don’t use them.

    Many have indoor toilets. They use pumps powered by diesel to move water for flushing. They may not pass a perc test which allows a gravity septic and are required by the Sanitarian to install a pumped septic. They have propane refrigerators and stoves. They hire drivers. For a while a couple families pooled money to buy a station wagon and one unmarried boy was allowed to drive.

    They have businesses are allowed a phone for business purposes. FedEx gives them a separate unit for tracking packages that is not hooked up to the Internet, if they sell mail order. The women in one candy shop use Swiffer Wet Jets with batteries for their floors. Other businesses use belt-driven machinery powered by diesel.

    They have a legalistic attitude, are mechanically clever and have ways to get around various conflicts. Some also covert to being Mennonites, who are allowed modern conveniences.

  • Hillary Email Controversy an ĎInside Jobí Ordered by Obama, Valerie Jarrett

    03/11/2015 2:12:02 PM PDT · 73 of 107
    reformedliberal to old curmudgeon

    He will stand on executive privilege. He will also use that plea to shield VJ.

  • Michelle Obama Takes Credit for Food ĎCulture Changeí

    02/28/2015 4:23:22 AM PST · 44 of 44
    reformedliberal to miss marmelstein

    Kohlrabi tastes like cabbage and is crunchy. It’s better raw, IMO.

  • FCC Chair Refuses to Testify before Congress ahead of Net Neutrality Vote

    02/25/2015 3:34:34 PM PST · 48 of 54
    reformedliberal to GeronL

    Or to suppress an eBook.

  • FCC Chair Refuses to Testify before Congress ahead of Net Neutrality Vote

    02/25/2015 11:15:03 AM PST · 27 of 54
    reformedliberal to GeronL

    Let the book burnings begin.

  • [BREAKING] Safety Threat Interrupts [WI] Right to Work Hearing, Bill Approved

    02/24/2015 7:20:38 PM PST · 29 of 30
    reformedliberal to Redbob; Logical me

    “American unions have been taken over by thugs and criminals.”

    60 years or more ago

    My grandfather was beaten senseless in c.1920 for refusing to join the bakers union in Buffalo, NY.

  • Does Obama Love America or Islam?

    02/23/2015 4:55:24 AM PST · 9 of 29
    reformedliberal to Tax-chick

    His priorities are in conflict, aren’t they? How could a believing Muslim promote homosexuality and abortion?

    It leaves us with just one conclusion: he is about bringing down the USA via any means possible. He believes in nothing else.

  • I Am Woman Hear Me Whine

    02/21/2015 12:10:22 PM PST · 18 of 19
    reformedliberal to Fred Hayek; tbw2

    Sarah Hoyt, a conservative science fiction writer (”According To Hoyt”) frequently writes about the SJWs in science fictiondom. She also references the GHH (Glittering Hoo-Hahs).

    Like ticks, these types have proliferated and if there is one thing they cannot stand, it is free expression. Occasionally, a science fiction novel review on Amazon Kindle will mention that the characters/plot tend to the Kool-Aid side of the political spectrum. But often, there will be the usual hot anger that conservative memes are evident. The usual conclusion is that no one should be allowed to write anything that is critical of socialism or its many masks pretending to be science. Feminism is just a ploy to these critics. So is diversity when they demand characters be gay, trans, minority and these always be cast as heroes. They really do want outright bans on any conservative thought, anywhere, and would be happy to see any conservative burned alive in a cage.

  • Study: Oklahoma's daily small quakes raise risk of big ones (Borenstein alert)

    02/15/2015 3:58:16 AM PST · 5 of 33
    reformedliberal to Vaquero

    And the chance of a risk of “a big one”:

    “...about a 1 in 2,500 years’ chance of happening....”

  • How your posh silverware makes food taste bad

    02/12/2015 1:04:26 PM PST · 60 of 69
    reformedliberal to discostu

    I use the sterling infrequently. I do use the sterling and gold-washed sterling serving pieces quite often. I also use chopsticks for some meals. Not all chopsticks are raw wood. Some are enameled, some are plastic, some are ivory. I’ve eaten sushi and sashimi with everything, including plastic and fingers (sashimi/sushi prepared by certified chef right on the beach.) Sorry, but I notice no difference. And my family and friends rely on my sense of taste because they believe it is sensitive.

    A few months ago there was an article, also from a Brit source, IIRC, to the effect that silver, with its antiseptic qualities, was used by the upper classes to avoid illness. Personally, I believe this is all just nonsense. Notice the use of *posh* in this headline. Just another “everyday folks against the elite” sort of thing, IMO.

  • How your posh silverware makes food taste bad

    02/12/2015 12:56:36 PM PST · 59 of 69
    reformedliberal to null and void

    Don’t care for caviar. I have sterling and a set of gold-washed & enameled sterling demitasse spoons. Have had them and used them for 40-50 years. Grew up with sterling for holidays. Never noticed a difference.

  • How your posh silverware makes food taste bad

    02/12/2015 8:07:43 AM PST · 2 of 69
    reformedliberal to ConservativeInPA

    My sterling silverware does not effect the taste of food. This is ridiculous.

  • Rutgers Professor Defends Billionaire Pedophile: 14-Year-Old Prostitution Isnít ĎSo Heinousí

    02/05/2015 5:56:02 PM PST · 24 of 32
    reformedliberal to ladyrustic; hlmencken3


    Just a different world, I guess.

    Have any of the victim’s families made public statements?

  • Rutgers Professor Defends Billionaire Pedophile: 14-Year-Old Prostitution Isnít ĎSo Heinousí

    02/05/2015 2:41:47 PM PST · 21 of 32
    reformedliberal to the_daug

    I haven’t really been following this closely, but fake ID or not, how does a 14-yr-old get flown to a private island? For how long? No school attendance? She had no parents? No family noticed she was gone for what? A weekend? A week? She lied about her age? Clinton and Epstein hang out in pick-up bars and check out fake IDs?

    Yeah I knew wild girls back in the day, too. There have always been girls who could be bought by older men. Most of those, however, were runaways.

    Anyone know how this girl got to the destination?

  • The stunning 'boltholes with airstrips' in New Zealand being bought by the world's super-rich

    01/30/2015 2:52:35 PM PST · 70 of 72
    reformedliberal to Sioux-san

    You are correct. I have friends in NZ who pay $1200/month for a small, rather shabby apartment in Wellington. They thought their energy costs were moderate when they were paying $12/day for electricity. Appliances are also expensive and not that great, IMO.

    OTOH, if your income/wealth is USD, currently, the NZ$ is about 72% of a USD. While that also drives prices higher, there is a premium for American money. And from what few reports I have had, salaries are higher in NZ than in the US.

    If you eat locally grown food, it isn’t that expensive. Haven’t visited since 2000, but the restaurant prices at the marina in Auckland were ridiculously low in American terms.

    Of course, they also complain of the *cold* when it is 44F!!

  • California Declares Electronic Cigarettes a Health Threat

    01/28/2015 1:54:05 PM PST · 57 of 115
    reformedliberal to skinndogNN

    I am cutting way back on real tobacco via eCigs. My husband and my non-smoking friends admit THERE IS NO ODOR as far as they are concerned, even when I am within inches of them. All say they can detect cigarette odor in infinitesimal amounts. So far, my tobacco usage is down to 1/3 of what it was.

    The tobacco-flavored things have barely any taste and the vapor is water vapor. All that is in them is glycerine and propylene glycol plus nicotine, which, in and of itself, is odorless. In addition, the amount of vapor is so small, there is no way it could *flow up* the nose of someone walking by. I have inhaled the emitted water vapor of my own eCig. It doesn’t even sting, let alone smell.

    I wonder if you saw someone vaping hash oil? I have no idea if that has any odor, though. There are flavored nicotine cartridges, which I haven’t tried. Hard to see how cherry, mint or vanilla could be offensive, however.

  • This Report Is A Terrible Sign For The Economy

    01/27/2015 8:38:27 AM PST · 18 of 40
    reformedliberal to alloysteel, goods and services which are just piling up in inventory at businesses which must soon either discount heavily, or close their doors. Even if they do close their doors, and the inventory is sold at a vast discount, it remains unsold to the ultimate consumer because of not just stagnant demand, but no demand at all.

    Agreed. And yet, how often is the positive economic report based on “climbing inventories”? That measures expectations and the negative report is always preceded by *unexpected*.

    Nothing works. Nothing makes sense. Mandated taxes are reported as *growth in consumer spending*.

    One quibble: how can one have an *inventory* of services? Services=time. Each service provider has so much time available many clients. The only way services can be *stockpiled* as *inventory* is when the number of clients declines versus the providers’ available time to deliver them. When that happens, fees must be cut. Therefore, an increased inventory of services equals less economic activity due to a declining market.

  • Ireland's Dairies Date Back 6,000 Years

    01/19/2015 8:24:13 AM PST · 23 of 35
    reformedliberal to yldstrk

    Besides the accurate responses you received about separation of the Hebrews from surrounding cultists, the Jewish sages over the centuries summed up the reason for the mandate as:”It is bad enough to kill a baby animal to eat, but it is far worse to also then boil it in it’s mother’s milk.”

    Essentially, the rational has evolved into a moral stance.

  • Why Third World People so Third World?

    01/13/2015 8:13:34 PM PST · 73 of 78
    reformedliberal to Cvengr


    I have lived in rural America for over 40 years with both older gravity type septic systems and more modern pumped systems. No one puts TP in a separate container. All our systems can handle toilet paper.

    What you have in the 3rd world is gravity based cesspit systems. Even modern toilets cannot handle paper in that instance.

  • Why Third World People so Third World?

    01/13/2015 8:05:07 PM PST · 72 of 78
    reformedliberal to tiki

    In many Caribbean countries, there are signs directing you to do just that in the restrooms. The reason is they have primitive cesspits that cannot handle paper.

  • Why Third World People so Third World?

    01/13/2015 8:02:41 PM PST · 71 of 78
    reformedliberal to samtheman; Ruy Dias de Bivar

    We saw similar attitudes in Papua New Guinea. Women would be trudging down the road to market carrying 40 pounds of vegetables in a net bag on their backs with a tumpline. Young, healthy males would only carry firewood (in a tropical country, this means 2-3 branches), male children (one at a time, usually the oldest) and/or an airline flight bag (which was a status symbol). It was common to see the men walking along unburdened and weaving decorative belts or armbands as they walked. These were then sold to tourists. Also common to see the women doing all the village work while the men sat around a smoldering fire eating roasted sweet potatoes and chewing betel.

    Our guide assured me that even if their women saw the freedoms and courtesies accorded Western women and the wives of the few educated elites, they would never rebel or demand these freedoms or courtesies for themselves. He was adamant on this topic.

  • Sorry, liberals, Scandinavian countries arenít utopias

    01/12/2015 2:06:06 PM PST · 50 of 52
    reformedliberal to Mercat

    Thanx for the tip. I just added it to our queue.

  • Sorry, liberals, Scandinavian countries arenít utopias

    01/12/2015 1:45:13 PM PST · 47 of 52
    reformedliberal to Mercat

    I have felt exactly the same about every Nordic (and most Euro) crime show I have watched. The American show, “Jesse Stone” is similarly depressed/depressing. “Lillehamer” is an exception.

    The odd thing about “Wallander” is that it portrays the lifestyle of the upper bureaucracy as quite comfortable. No one is happy, but everyone drives an expensive car, lives in a lovely beach home, goes on vacation, has every modern tech toy, dresses well and eats well. Yet, the entire show is dreary.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/31/2014 7:14:31 AM PST · 55 of 56
    reformedliberal to central_va

    You know what? It was over 2 1/2x that and I don’t need to allow an unknown forum poster to dissect 20-year-old business practices. I have no need to justify anything to you.

    The topic was farm labor. I shared what I know from personal observation, discussion and kept my end civil. Take it or leave it. This is becoming obsessive on your part. I am taking the prior “troll alert” seriously.

    Thread closed.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/31/2014 6:38:49 AM PST · 53 of 56
    reformedliberal to central_va

    I was not speaking about our business, as we do not farm.

    When we had workers, they were part-time. We stopped having employees in the mid-90s. We always paid well over minimum for 10-20 hours a week, with a lot of flexibility. We were producing jewelery, felted notions and hand-woven clothing at wholesale. I never had anyone I could trust to work while we were at trade shows...these were people who had to be closely supervised. They did metal prep/clean up work, assembly, loom prep and machine sewing.

    There were no shortages of applicants from the 80s-90s. But what sounds like fun and easy work had tight parameters for quality. This was the part that most failed. The general attitude was “What is the allowable amount of slop?” Since there was none, many just couldn’t hack it. I had people who would not walk outside for 50 feet in the rain, even if I did.

    I’ve never had a foreign worker, so I don’t know their demands/abilities/qualifications. I never asked anyone to do anything I didn’t also do and only hired when orders were beyond our individual ability to fill.

    I’m sure you would find our salary/profit as owners too paltry, as well. We were not profiting off others. We were sharing the available work/revenue in an area short of jobs.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 9:15:05 PM PST · 50 of 56
    reformedliberal to Regulator

    Americans do not want to sweat, for the most part.

    From observation and discussion, the skills needed are a work ethic that involves getting up at dawn, following the day’s rota of production necessities, doing each chore efficiently and as well as humanly possible, being able to operate heavy machinery, being willing to care for livestock as needed, being able to function within a team, being able to take appropriate initiative, exhibiting personal responsibility, doing a hard day’s labor until sundown and continuing this for the entire length of the growing and harvesting season. Then going home for three and half months, renewing the required visas with the attendant paperwork and background checks, returning in the spring to do it all over again, reliably.

    I have employed American workers. Over about a ten year period within a forty-year career, I can point to two of these who met the above criteria. Both are successful today. The rest were a series of net losses. I found firing people to be traumatic. In the end, it was easier to scale back and do everything myself.

    I wish there was some way of educating people to the value and rewards of essential work. I believe it is inherently cultural and for the past twenty years or so, our native culture has failed in this sort of education.

    It isn’t just manual workers who lack these traits. I have been told by financial sector employers that they would be thrilled to find people who could manage to even change the toner cartridge when necessary without being specifically told to do so.

    It’s not mystical and it’s not rocket science. IMO, it begins with basic self-respect and an appreciation that he who doesn’t work, doesn’t eat. It is the recognition that the means of production begins with two hands, two feet and a brain. I have called it bootstrap capitalism. It is what once made this country great. Today’s liberals hate the very concept and have excoriated me for supporting it.

    I know you thought you were being wittily sarcastic, but I decided there was actually an element of truth in your screed and therefore answered it seriously.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 8:42:21 PM PST · 49 of 56
    reformedliberal to central_va

    I don’t see how a visa program that has been in effect for decades is an open borders issue. Not one of these workers has violated US borders. Not one of these employers has done a thing to hurt any American. Instead, good food is produced at the best possible price. These visas are not cheap and a lot of time & effort is required on the part of the employer. The workers are paid well, housed well and treated well. The business pays a lot of taxes at all levels. What is wrong with workers coming here and then going home? Some of these workers have been doing these jobs for the same employers for over ten years. They don’t want to live here, permanently.

    Your alternative is....? No one comes here to work, nothing is produced and all food is imported? You would shut down American farming and lessen our food security.

    Maybe you would prefer some sort of conscription service, sort of like Pol Pot’s, where every American is mandated to work on farms or perhaps a closed country “sealed shut” like every communist gulag?

    Start a farming business with only American workers.

    Recruit American workers to agricultural jobs.

    Show everyone how it works.

    Economics: My husband and I have worked for ourselves running our own business, sometimes with employees, since 1975. We create products and services, have a great credit score, have never been bankrupt, have taken no public money, have paid exorbitant taxes and have even survived this present political/economic situation.

    As to my handle: 15 years ago, I thought it was good to be honest. I also thought that having experience on the left would be appreciated. However, there is a contingent here that apparently resents us. Perhaps we intrude on the echo chamber by correcting suppositions founded more in rhetoric than in fact.

    Yes, there are many of us. Most of us were classical liberals, just like the Founders. We were personally impacted as the American classical liberal tradition turned totalitarian. We survived the fire. Seems to me that is cause for congratulations. Each of us is one less D voter. One more R voter (or not, considering the present GOPe). One more person supporting this site. All of us living proof that everyone can change.

    Ad hominems redound against those who use them. They negate any opportunity for discussion. If you query the former liberals, most of them will explain that it is precisely that sort of response that characterizes the American Left, caused us to question their foundation and motives and turned us towards conservatism. You might also want to research the term “projection”.

    Happy New Year to you, too.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 11:08:16 AM PST · 47 of 56
    reformedliberal to central_va

    You are so brilliant! I sense a business opportunity! Start a labor brokerage for US farmers. If pay is the only consideration and they are presumably hostage to their access to labor, you can simply keep upping the advertised pay package until you find the work force. Simple!

    If that fails, you could set an example and advertise your services for whatever you think you are worth. Plan C could be to begin farming produce, paying American citizens whatever it takes to get them to work....right beside you, of course.

    As for me, I am a small 72-year-old woman. I have always worked for myself. There was not a single time in my life that I can recall that I would have picked field crops, no matter how much was offered. And there were times I was pretty desperate for income. I just am not physically capable of such work and I recognize my limitations.

    I do know people who picked apples seasonally up into their 50s. Everyone of them admitted it wasn’t worth it for the pay, but they had no other options. Thankfully, I was always able to find something else.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 7:50:34 AM PST · 40 of 56
    reformedliberal to central_va

    The point is there are no locals to hire for this work and this is not all stoop labor. It is greenhouse labor for starting plants and transplanting, planting out,driving tractors to plow, harvesting,washing and sorting and packaging.

    The owners work alongside the hired workers doing exactly the same labor. It is a labor-intensive business that lasts from January to November. They would prefer to hire Americans and save the annual trip to Mexico, the paperwork and all the ancillary hassle.

    After hearing the same story over time from several different farmers in varying operations, I tend to believe it is not BS.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 7:44:48 AM PST · 39 of 56
    reformedliberal to dennisw

    With all due respect, I am told (anecdotal) that life in Mexico for many of these workers is suitable for them. They do not like our winters and they do not want to live in an American city.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 7:42:26 AM PST · 38 of 56
    reformedliberal to central_va

    I buy regular red leaf lettuce for $1.38/head. This lasts about a week-10 days for 2 people. Iceberg fluctuates more and is recently $1.68/head. It lasts longer. we use it for sandwiches. And I use Green Bags to prolong produce life.

    I don’t know the pay scale for vegetable picking. I remember when lettuce was 1/2 the price it is today. Sometimes I grow my own.

    From what people tell me, the pay is not what keeps Americans from doing the work. It is the nature of the work: repetitive, sweaty and boring. American workers want more autonomy.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 7:36:26 AM PST · 36 of 56
    reformedliberal to Ben Ficklin

    Quite possible I used the wrong term for the program.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 5:12:50 AM PST · 23 of 56
    reformedliberal to central_va

    They are extremely successful and have run their business for nearly 30 years. These are educated people who work very hard, follow the rules and will continue to do so. They are admired and well-liked by everyone.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 5:10:45 AM PST · 22 of 56
    reformedliberal to dennisw

    To my knowledge, none of these workers have done as you describe. Such people would be extremely visible out here. I do know of a large family dairy and livestock operation that employs legal husband and wife teams. Usually, the women work in lighter areas of the operation. The kids spend the summers at home with relatives. None of them have stayed, AFAIK. Again, this is a sparsely populated area that is 99.8% white, maybe 3/4 of the people here are generational residents who are intricately intermarried and interrelated. Everyone knows everyone’s business. This legal green card worker program has been extant for over 20 years, here.

    There is a large Hmong population in the nearest city of ~50k. A few have farms, but they are not organic, are strictly family operations and are known to be resellers of produce from other areas, along with their own.

    There is a Hmong underclass and Hmong gang problems. There are also many Hmong lawyers and medical personnel. They are entrepreneurial and tend to stick to their own, rather than work for others (even the criminal elements). I have never heard of an Asian farm worker who isn’t working within their own extended family. Also, I have known some local Americans who married Thai wives 50 years ago, but moved away, as the wives preferred suburban life in places with more Thais. One man lamented to us that his Thai wife was insufficiently entrepreneurial. In his opinion, the Vietnamese women were the go-getters.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 4:57:54 AM PST · 20 of 56
    reformedliberal to 9YearLurker

    So one might think. The truth is vastly different.

    This is a farming area colonized over 30 years by leftists and environmentalists with means. We have many small organic farms, in fact, I have read we have the largest concentration of such of anywhere in the country. We have a Waldorf School and a Waldorf-inspired High School, a very New Age charter HS and the largest organic co-operative in the country (turns close to $1B/year). Also, several grant-funded food production businesses that are spin offs of the farms and co-operative. Also a few subsidiaries of the organic co-op.

    Every spring, several graduates of the New Age schools apply for work at the organic farms. They last maybe 3 weeks. They expect to choose which days they show up and for how long. Any personal reason at all is considered legitimate for not working. They all want to be bosses instead of workers. They argue with the owners and dispute everything from hours, to pay to procedures. They are such royal PITAs, that the costs of the green card workers is a bargain by comparison.

    Some of the wealthier kids pay to be workers in European organic enterprises. This is sort of like a summer abroad program. They return and do not go into any sort of farming or food production at all. Mostly, they are slackers and Mom and Dad continue to support their transient enthusiasms.

    Every year, one or more of these American kids decides to try their own hand at small-scale organic farming or livestock production. The opinions of the area vets and farmers range from amusement to disbelief in their practices. AFAIK, none of these have succeeded. The American kids, instead, start up companies to produce some variety of organic processed food...sodas, fermented foods, herbal extracts, et al. They usually get reams of great media and within a year or two, sell the business to the next in line and then go off to another start up of some sort. Tiny Houses are popular at the moment.

    I have asked several successful producers, as well as a few who are scraping by and a few who have failed, about local workers and in every instance, I receive an hours long exposition of the subject, none of it favorable to the American kids.

  • Farmers brace for labor shortage under new policy

    12/30/2014 4:11:04 AM PST · 13 of 56
    reformedliberal to 9YearLurker

    We have some clients who run a small (~$1.5M)organic farm.

    They have legal green card workers from Mexico. The pay for the airfare and other costs to bring these (mostly long-time) workers into the country and then send them home over the winter. They provide furnished rental houses in the area for the workers. These are all comparable to the other homes in the area. The have a chef on staff and this chef is responsible for a huge gourmet lunch every day. The owners eat with the workers. Some of the longest-term workers are considered family by the owners and vice versus.

    We asked them if amnesty effected them. The answer was “No!” The workers like the arrangement. They like their homes back in Mexico. They can’t wait to return to their families over the winter. They enjoy their work and their summers here.

  • Expert: $1.75 Gas Soon

    12/29/2014 4:06:10 PM PST · 60 of 71
    reformedliberal to central_va

    Propane in SW WI is way down. Last fill I paid $1.77/gal, down from $1.89. Last winter it went as high as $6+change in January. I use the 20# cylinders in my business and they are now around $15.00+change, down from $18.00+. I think they went as high as $22 last winter.

    Amusingly, last couple of years we have had no summer fill price break and no contracts. All fills are at market. The supplier wouldn’t fill until we were at 20% and if you wanted to top off a tank, they insisted on a minimum of 200 gallons and otherwise added a surcharge. When they came out last month, the shop tank was well over 60% and they filled it anyway. They use some formula to tell them when you are in need of gas and they are always wrong. I usually have more than they thought I did.

    I think they are desperate to sell gas before it drops further in price.

  • Scientists connect the dots from identifying to preventing dangerous climate risks

    12/23/2014 4:45:19 PM PST · 10 of 14
    reformedliberal to BenLurkin

    How is an incomplete understanding anything other than an inaccurate understanding?

    When it differs from government-approved understanding.

  • Census: Whites become 'minority' in 2044, Hispanic population twice blacks'

    12/18/2014 6:21:10 AM PST · 34 of 37
    reformedliberal to etcb


    All “people of color other than white” are “historical victims” and cannot ever be accused of using demographic power against the “historically privileged” white.

    The victims will be considered honorary minorities even if they are a demographic majority. The *privileged* will be considered de facto oppressors forever.

    BTW, contrarian that I am, I want to know why there will be a projected 10-year increase in the white population followed by a slow, inevitable *decline* to a fraction of under half?

    This is accomplished by 1) lumping all other groups into one against the Euro-whites and 2) assuming that all mixed-race people will automatically find solidarity with the *people of color*, even when the light-skinned mixed race people find discrimination within the people of color cadres and yet are often situated (socially, economically, educationally) so as to prosper in the society-at-large.

    This conclusion is reached by the always suspect straight-line extrapolation from the present to infinity, which assumes nothing ever changes. Whites could simply begin having more babies. People of color could increase their utilization of abortion and birth control. Voluntary separation could result in increased deaths of people of color from violence in their neighborhoods, while whites survive in relatively safer environments. The conclusion is based on a demographic hockey stick constructed of groundless assumptions. It may be “a possibility” It is not necessarily a probability and it is not a guaranteed outcome.

    These *studies* are exercises in FUD.

  • HOSTAGE DIED A HERO: Captive man was 'lunging for gun'

    12/15/2014 3:34:43 PM PST · 32 of 82
    reformedliberal to naturalman1975

    Are you conversant with gun laws in NZ? A friend there says he may own a gun, but cannot use it in self-defense. That sounds crazy.