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Posts by Sideshow Bob

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  • NCAA National Championship Wisconsin v Duke (+1, 140 o/u) CBS TV 9:18pm EDT thread

    04/06/2015 8:36:59 PM PDT · 153 of 279
    Sideshow Bob to Bigtigermike

    Worst officiating ever. I felt like I was watching an NBA game.

  • Elections chief: State needs to revise laws on campaign giving

    03/24/2015 10:55:43 AM PDT · 10 of 11
    Sideshow Bob to afraidfortherepublic
    Kevin Kennedy, chief of the Government Accountability Board (elections). He needs to be replaced.

    He needs to be pilloried, tarred & feathered AND beaten with a sharp, pointed stick.

  • Kareem the Dream? WashPost Lauds NBA Legend's 'Vital, Dynamic' Liberal Voice on Race and Islam

    03/02/2015 8:09:15 AM PST · 11 of 28
    Sideshow Bob to dfwgator
    I thought he changed his name to Roger Murdock.

    Surely, you can't be serious.

  • Cheers Star Blasts Liberal Elites: 'You Don't Want an Ivy Leaguer' in a Disaster

    02/23/2015 10:01:52 AM PST · 34 of 49
    Sideshow Bob to Veggie Todd
    Interesting. Who are the other three?

    "Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen, Alex."

    lol

  • Attend anti-Walker rally and get extra credit, English professor tells students

    02/20/2015 9:51:50 AM PST · 20 of 32
    Sideshow Bob to Steve_Seattle
    "the proposed 13 percent cut"

    Walker has proposed a 13% cut in the State's funding to the UW system. However, State funding represents less than 20% of annual UW funding. The actual impact to the UW budget is roughly a 2% reduction in funding.

    BUT, in exchange for this minor funding cut, Walker is proposing to give the UW system greater autonomy and eliminating legislative reporting requirements and bureaucracy. This new autonomy should result in spending reductions at least equal to (and probably much greater than) the 2% funding cut.

  • Obama to host illegal immigrant Dreamers at White House

    02/04/2015 9:40:28 AM PST · 40 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to 2ndDivisionVet
    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
    Washington, D.C. Contact Information:

    To Report Crimes, Suspicious Activity and Suspected Child Exploitation

    By Phone:
    (866) 347-2423
    (U.S., Mexico and Canada)
    TTY for hearing impaired: (802) 872-6196

    Hello Operator, I'd like to report a crime, suspicious activity and/or suspected child exploitation...

    The address? Uh, yes...it's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

  • Gov. Scott Walker expected to announce plan for support of new Milwaukee Bucks arena

    01/27/2015 10:23:53 AM PST · 23 of 34
    Sideshow Bob to grania
    He might be a nice guy, but his latest statements enable the invasion of the US. For me, that's a stopper. Any politician who does not realize we cannot absorb the non-citizens who are in the US just does not understand the crisis we face. And a stadium scam?

    First of all, I'd like to suggest to you that today's decaffeinated coffees taste just as good as most regular brands.

    Enable a US invasion? Stadium scam?

    Look, I don't 100% agree with Walker's positions on immigration or state financing for a NBA arena, but again - on both issues - I think Scott Walker is attempting to thread a needle.

    That's a lot different than enabling Reconquista or a stadium scam.

  • Gov. Scott Walker expected to announce plan for support of new Milwaukee Bucks arena

    01/27/2015 9:47:55 AM PST · 19 of 34
    Sideshow Bob to grania
    Walker's off my list. He's just another Chamber of Commerce water boy with no DC voting record. I trust him about as much as I'd trust Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, or Chris Christie.

    I think you're a bit harsh with that assessment.

    Scott is a personal friend of mine. I like him a lot, but much prefer Ted Cruz.

    I don't think Walker is a Chamber waterboy, but I do think he tries too hard to thread the needle in his politics when blunt force might be the better option.

  • Gov. Scott Walker expected to announce plan for support of new Milwaukee Bucks arena

    01/27/2015 9:40:28 AM PST · 17 of 34
    Sideshow Bob to MNlurker
    I am betting that those bars and restaurants in the stadium will be a money loser in the long run. Its is Milwaukee after all and they may go to the games but they’re not going to pregame pay $8 for a beer or $15 for a sandwich. They’ll do their damage outside the stadium before going in...just like Miller and and lambeau ;)

    Yes, but you are forgetting that the composition of Bucks attendees differs from the Average Joes who attend Brewers & Packers games. Most remaining Bucks ticket holders are corporate entities who use the games as an entertainment expense. They will pay $15 for a sandwich & $10 for a beer ($8 beers are so like, five years ago).

  • Gov. Scott Walker expected to announce plan for support of new Milwaukee Bucks arena

    01/27/2015 9:28:06 AM PST · 15 of 34
    Sideshow Bob to skinkinthegrass
    Milwaukee has a Pro Basketball Team?

    Yes. Before Magic Johnson (carrying the ball), Patrick Ewing (traveling) and Allen Iverson (jump stop) killed the observance of basic game rules and the NBA didn't fix the outcome of most games ala pro wrestling, the NBA was an interesting and watchable sport.

    From 1970-1990 the Milwaukee Bucks were consistently among the NBA's best teams - qualifying for the playoffs 19 times, winning a dozen division titles, reaching the conference finals a half dozen times, reaching the Finals in 1974 and winning the championship in 1971.

    I haven't watched much over the last 25 years because I detest the game pro basketball has become, but I've heard that the Bucks actually made the now-diluted playoffs a few times.

  • Gov. Scott Walker expected to announce plan for support of new Milwaukee Bucks arena

    01/27/2015 9:03:45 AM PST · 11 of 34
    Sideshow Bob to MNlurker
    Agree and disagree with your post.

    Not a fan of supplying owners with shiny new palaces AGREE

    and not a big NBA fan AGREE

    Bradley Center needs significant upkeep/upgrade $’s DISAGREE - the building is fine; requires only normal upkeep (false & inflated claims by Bucks and supporters)

    Was built in mind for a hockey team that never came. Not a very good to place to watch basketball at all. AGREE, but most multiuse facilities are not great for all uses

    The bars/restaurants around the Bradley Center were already struggling because of the crap the Bucks were serving on the court every night for 10-12 years. AGREE, but the new state-subsidized bars & restaurants in or at the new arena will kill all other competition completely

    Turner Hall across the street didn’t close up food service because of the food options at the Bradley Center (which are crap) but because nobody was coming to games and stopping in for pre-game dinner/drinks like they used to. AGREE, but a shiny new arena will NOT increase attendance or pre/post game meals & drinks - just shift them to Bucks-owned venues

    I’m still highly skeptical of where this goes as I think the main problem for the NBA in Milwaukee is the expense associated with going to a game, AGREE and not just in Milwaukee - I think the NBA will eventually collapse

    but if it doesn’t hurt the taxpayers I’d be OK with this. eh, I'm still opposed -- but I am far less opposed than I was yesterday.

  • Gov. Scott Walker expected to announce plan for support of new Milwaukee Bucks arena

    01/27/2015 8:33:51 AM PST · 6 of 34
    Sideshow Bob to Responsibility2nd
    Posted in Breaking News?

    This is old news. Been around for 4 days.

    ****

    Not quite. Walker's official press conference announcement ended 5 minutes ago. Can't get too much more breaking than that.

    There was a news leak from last Friday which contained incorrect info.

  • Gov. Scott Walker expected to announce plan for support of new Milwaukee Bucks arena

    01/27/2015 8:20:29 AM PST · 1 of 34
    Sideshow Bob
    OK, details of Walker's new Bucks arena funding plan are being revealed. It is less horrible than first feared. Walker's plan calls for:

    1. The State of Wisconsin to issue a $220 million revenue bond.
    2. The bond to require full and immediate repayment by the Bucks if they are sold before the retirement of the debt.
    3. The establishment a Jock Tax "base" of the current Jock Tax tax revenue from NBA players at $6.5 million.
    4. The state of Wisconsin to divert all "surplus" NBA Jock Tax monies in excess of $6.5 million annually to help retire the $220 million revenue bond.
    5. The Jock Tax surplus diversion will continue until bond debt is retired.

    I will acknowledge that Walker's plan is innovative. It also creates the illusion (but not the reality) that the NBA players are paying for the new arena.

    But I'm still opposed to any state funding for a new downtown Milwaukee arena.

    I don't like creating a false "surplus" (maybe if the $6.5 million base were indexed for inflation, I would have less of an issue).
    I don't like subsidizing billionaires.
    A new arena is not needed and will turn the Bradley Center into another unused arena facility.
    A new arena will not result in any new economic development other than construction.
    It will create economic losers among the local bar and restaurant owners currently near the Bradley Center.
    It will make the Bucks and their affiliated bar & restaurant owners in the new arena economic winners.
    Government should not be picking economic winners and losers.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/27/2015 7:49:37 AM PST · 43 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to Sideshow Bob
    OK, details of Walker's new Bucks arena funding plan are being revealed. It is less horrible than first feared.

    Walker's plan calls for:

    1. The State of Wisconsin to issue a $220 million revenue bond.
    2. The bond to require full and immediate repayment by the Bucks if they are sold before the retirement of the debt.
    3. The establishment a Jock Tax "base" of the current tax revenue from NBA players at $6.5 million.
    4. The state of Wisconsin to divert all "surplus" NBA Jock Tax monies in excess of $6.5 million annually to help retire the $220 million revenue bond.
    5. The Jock Tax surplus diversion will continue until bond debt is retired.

    I will acknowledge that Walker's plan is innovative. It also creates the illusion (but not the reality) that the NBA players are paying for the new arena.

    But I'm still opposed to any state funding for a new downtown Milwaukee arena.

    I don't like creating a false "surplus" (maybe if the $6.5 million base were indexed for inflation, I would have less of an issue).
    I don't like subsidizing billionaires.
    A new arena is not needed and will turn the Bradley Center into another unused arena facility.
    A new arena will not result in any new economic development other than construction.
    It will create economic losers among the local bar and restaurant owners currently near the Bradley Center.
    It will make the Bucks and their affiliated bar & restaurant owners in the new arena economic winners.
    Government should not be picking economic winners and losers.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 12:36:30 PM PST · 42 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to GeronL
    You can’t just buy land and “convert” it to sovereign land.

    Actually, a Tribe can do so for purposes of gaming compacts. They first need to petition the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs. If BIA approves, the Tribe needs to also negotiate a gaming compact and gain the approval of that state's governor.

    In this instance, the Menomonee Tribe of Wisconsin submitted an application to BIA, negotiated an operating compact with the Seminole Tribe of Florida who own the exclusive Indian gaming rights to the use of the Hard Rock Café Casino name brand, gained approval of BIA for their application, lobbied local Kenosha leaders for their support of the proposal and negotiated a proposed gaming compact with the State. The only step remaining was Gov. Walker's approval.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 11:57:29 AM PST · 40 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to GeronL
    Hasn’t Walker already endorsed illegal immigration and bashed those who want conservatives to run against RINO leaders?

    Walker doesn’t even show up on my Presidential list.

    ****

    As I said above, Scott is a friend. He has NOT endorsed illegal immigration, but hasn't been as vigorous as I would prefer in combatting it. I don't believe he has bashed conservatives, but he hasn't been as vigorous as I would prefer in bashing RINO leaders.

    Until last Friday, part of me has wanted to be selfish in not sharing Gov. Walker and his job performance with the rest of the country. Beyond that, I actually would much prefer Ted Cruz to Walker for President in 2016. Walker is probably #2 on my list, but is in danger of falling precipitously on my presidential list if last Friday is any kind of sign of a more moderate Presidential campaign.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 11:42:25 AM PST · 39 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to DoodleDawg
    So I assume the player income tax went into the general fund? And now those revenues will go to the sports arena? So what gets cut in the mean time?

    No one knows yet. It will be interesting to see next week what Scott Walker proposes for cuts to balance out the reduction of state tax revenue that will instead be diverted to the arena construction.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 11:31:44 AM PST · 38 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to Responsibility2nd
    In 1993 San Antonio passed an increase in sales tax to pay for the Alamodome. $186 Million. When funding was complete, the tax was revoked. Did we ever get an NFL team? Nope. But it satisfied the Spurs enough to stay in San Antonio. and it has more than paid for itself in just Alamo Bowl benefits. 40 to 50 million dollars spent here in SA each time the Alamo Bowl is played.

    ****

    And that's great if that is what the local community wants. But I will note that San Antonio taxed for and built a new football facility that did not previously exist. The Bradley Center already exists. There is no "need" for a new arena. The other major tenants of the Bradley Center - Marquette University & the Milwaukee Admirals hockey - franchise are entirely happy with the facility.

    If government leaders and their constituent taxpayers Milwaukee County or the City of Milwaukee want to subsidize a new arena for NBA millionaires and billionaires, great. Go for it.

    But I didn't help elect a Republican state Assembly, state Senate and governor so that State of Wisconsin tax money is used to benefit liberal Democrat NBA players, NY-based liberal Democrat owners and liberal Democrat Milwaukee politicians.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 11:16:18 AM PST · 37 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to Buckeye McFrog
    Team will become the Seattle Bucks faster than you can say “John Galt”.

    ****

    And since I am not a Bucks customer or fan now, do not frequent bars and the restaurants nearby the Bradley Center now, etc. the impact of any future movement of the franchise would be minimal to me individually...if they actually move.

    I think the NBA's poor business model and shrinking domestic market will make other community's more fragile franchises more susceptible to being relocated.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 9:56:39 AM PST · 33 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to GeronL
    and if that Indian tribe wants a casino, they should build it on their sovereign land! or do they have any?

    The Menomonee Tribe does have sovereign land. They were willing to buy the more strategically located Kenosha site and convert it to sovereign land. The only loss to state and local government bodies would have been the site's removal from property tax rolls in exchange for healthy annual revenue payments.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 9:47:42 AM PST · 32 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to Yellowstone Joe
    I seem to be missing something here.

    Just me, but turning down a casino proposal and going for a tax that will make NBA players pay for their own stadium is a good thing.

    So why all the fuss?

    Isn’t it about time those millionaires who play the game pay?

    Instead of the common Joe on the street who already pay at the gate to watch those millionaire leftists play?

    And since when did Free-republic become full of conservatives who think casinos are good anyway.

    As I asked, “Am I missing something here?”

    ****

    Yes, you are missing something.

    The NBA players WILL NEVER pay for their own stadium. Either their patrons or taxpayers will pay for the stadiums.

    If you can't discern the difference between government subsidizing NBA millionaires' and billionaires' construction of a stadium that will not generate any new tax revenues VERSUS allowing private investors to pay entirely for the construction of a casino and entertainment venue which will generate new tax revenues, then maybe you are not as conservative as you think.

    The Menomonee Tribe was simply asking Gov. Walker for PERMISSION to build a casino, hotel and entertainment venue that does not currently exist in that area. They were offering to indemnify the State from competitor's potential legal claims, develop thousands of short-term construction jobs and long-term service jobs and PAY the State a favorable operation payment.

    The Bucks want the State to pay $100 million to replace an adequate facility and subsidize the creation of new Bucks-owned shops and restaurants that would compete with already existing adjacent shops and restaurants.

    As for whether FReepers think casinos are a good idea...

    Maybe you are more concerned with whether it is moral for a government to promote the expansion of gambling. That train has already left the station.

    Indian casino gambling already exists in Wisconsin. The state lottery already exists in Wisconsin. They cannot be reversed.

    I don't think the creation of a Kenosha casino would have generating any new gaming revenue from Wisconsin residents. However, the construction of a Kenosha casino would have drawn heavily from the nearby Illinois and Chicago population.

    I viewed the Kenosha casino as a huge opportunity to increase Wisconsin tourism. I'm less troubled by the "morality" of it. Besides, it would be huge payback for decades of Wisconsin residents' Illinois Tollway payments.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 9:14:35 AM PST · 23 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to ADSUM
    My understanding is that current revenues from NBA players will not change. Only the increased revenues will be applied to the new arena. With inflation this could be a significant contribution over the next 10 years.

    ****

    There are no increased revenues. It is a diversion of current tax revenues from the general fund.

    ****

    The alternative if the arena is not built and the Bucks leave town, then there would be no increase in revenues and probably a substantial decrease.

    ****

    Almost correct. If the NBA forces the Bucks to move in the future, there would be no NBA incomes to tax in Wisconsin the future.

    The new billionaire hedge fund NY-based owners of the Bucks are claiming an inability or preference to not pay for a new Milwaukee arena themselves. If the construction of a new Milwaukee arena is not in process by 2017, the NBA can choose to buy the Bucks from the current owners for $50 million more than their 2014 purchase price.

    It remains to be seen if some other city would be stupid enough to pay for a venue with the enhanced amenities desired by the NBA.

    There is nothing wrong with the Bradley Center. The building is in good condition. It remains one of the best facilities for viewing hockey in the entire country. It has adequate site lines for basketball. It has nice luxury boxes which the Bradley Center already has difficulty selling.

    The NBA wants to be provided with venues that have additional shopping and restaurant opportunities to generate greater income opportunities for their team owners.

    Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for posh, pimped-out palaces for NBA owners who have a poor economic model for generating income? If the NBA owners want to generate income for themselves, pay for the improvements themselves!!!

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 8:48:52 AM PST · 18 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to rfreedom4u
    Here’s a radical idea: How about the Milwaukee Bucks build their own arena and the government simply stay out of it all together?

    Exactly!

    Or, let the Milwaukee Democrats who want a new arena to help fund it out of City of Milwaukee or Milwaukee County taxes.

    Or let Milwaukee Democrats propose it during legislative consideration of the budget or as a stand alone tax proposal.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 8:43:11 AM PST · 17 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to grania
    Stadiums should be funded by selling stock if no individuals or existing corporations want to take it on.

    Scott Walker's doing a big government thing here....not impressive. Why do politicians think just because they have money coming in that they have to spend it on something new?

    ****

    Exactly!

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 8:40:46 AM PST · 14 of 47
    Sideshow Bob to Red Badger
    They wanna tax THAT now????????????.................

    No, the "Jock Tax" already exists. It exists in every state that has professional sports teams. For most professions, work that is performed on a long-term basis in another state is taxable in that state. For pro athletes, any work income that is generated in that state by both home and away athletes is taxed on a proportional basis.

    As an example, 50% of the work income generated by Milwaukee Bucks athletes (41 home games of an 82 game season) is subject to Wisconsin income taxation. Because the Bucks play 4 games in California - one each at the Sacramento Kings, Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Clippers and Golden State Warriors, 4.88% (4 games of 82) of Milwaukee Bucks' athlete salaries are subject to California income taxation. This income taxation process is repeated in each state a pro athlete derives income.

    Walker's proposal is to divert these already existing NBA athlete income taxes from the Wisconsin state general fund to help pay for construction of a new downtown Milwaukee Bucks arena. The argument posed by tax supporters is that if a new arena is not built and the NBA compels the Bucks to move, the State of Wisconsin will not generate the Jock Tax for the state general fund in the future.

    btw, it is not known if Walker's proposed Jock Tax diversion also applies to the near-term work income generated by the minor league hockey teams and or major league indoor soccer teams that might play in the new arena. Those Milwaukee sports franchises like their current venues and have no need or benefit in a new arena.

  • Report: Scott Walker to Include Jock Tax in Budget

    01/26/2015 8:07:08 AM PST · 1 of 47
    Sideshow Bob
    This is the 2nd horrible decision from Scott Walker last Friday after earlier announcing that he was not going to approve a new Kenosha casino for the Menomonee Indian Tribe. While the Menomonee proposal carried the potential for future legal battles with the Potawatomi Tribe's Milwaukee-based casino due to an awful and corrupt gaming compact negotiated by former Demoncrat Gov. Jim Doyle, many Wisconsin critics viewed the timing of Walker's denial just prior to this past weekend's Iowa Freedom Summit as presidential politics bowing to Iowa anti-gambling zealots.

    I really like Scott Walker. He is a personal friend. But he really pooched things on Friday.

    I would have preferred that Walker had either approved the Kenosha casino or delayed his denial so that Bob Vander Plaats and other religious/political extremists couldn't use Walker's decision as a show of strength for Iowa 2016. It now paints Gov. Scott Walker - the man who stood up to and beat back powerful labor unions - as a man who is afraid to stand up to both Iowa zealots AND the corrupt Potawatomi Tribe.

    While many members of Walker's Wisconsin base are disappointed or even upset at Walker's Kenosha casino decision AND its timing, there will be ABSOLUTE HELL to pay if Gov. Walker includes a "Jock Tax" in his state budget next week. This move only serves the interests of liberal downtown Milwaukee Democrats and the uber-liberal NY-based billionaire owners of the Milwaukee Bucks.

    Any "Jock Tax" will immediately divert those tax monies away from their current use in the general fund. That diversion will require Walker to either cut spending or increase other taxes. Further, the concept of using state funds to subsidize NBA millionaires and billionaires is horrifying to most conservatives.

    Acquiescing to the NBA's contractually mandated threat to move the Bucks if a new arena is not built further runs contrary to Scott Walker's image as a strong leader. I am astonished that Walker would kowtow to the NBA's blackmail and include it in his biennial budget.

    Scott Walker is getting and listening to some really advice. And if this advice is coming because Walker is running for President in 2016, he better remember that he needs to do better in his day job as Governor of Wisconsin.

  • Sarah Palin appearance at Freedom Summit was a total crowd-pleaser: FULL SPEECH

    01/26/2015 7:00:17 AM PST · 56 of 67
    Sideshow Bob to alstewartfan
    I’m sick of the Homer Simpson stereotype.

    Me too.(/s)

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/08/2015 12:34:46 PM PST · 71 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to 1010RD
    I understand your point, but disagree tactically.

    I've tried your approach of long game and working within the system. I've been the leader of local political units and have twice written the state GOP platform. The party elites paid lip service to my "leadership" and the high-minded ideals of my platform and nothing more.

    Defiance of the party apparatus (just short of armed revolt) and usurping control is the only path to success. Fight and fight loudly so that that the truth and integrity of your position enflames and wins the hearts and minds of the base.

    People forget that Howard Jarvis and Ronald Reagan were essentially ideological revolutionaries. Their righteous anger propelled conservatism to success in California and across the country. Similarly, anger at congressional excess propelled the Contract with America to success. Further, angry conservative street demonstrations are what stopped the judicial/electoral bureaucracy from stealing the 2000 Bush victory. Enflamed conservative passion fueled the Tea Party movement and led the GOP to 2010 & 2014 congressional victories.

    Playing within the rules, "compassionate" conservatism and other centrist dreck dulls the base, loses elections and perpetuates the GOPe power and control.

    Putting it simply, if your local party or governmental body meetings are not interrupted by or ending in fistfights, they are not worth squat.

    If someone starts screaming that the GOP shouldn't have circular firing squads, what that really means is that the GOPe wants their rivals to disarm.

    Eff them and fight the fight.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/08/2015 11:14:37 AM PST · 69 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to 1010RD
    3. Run for every open GOP seat and party position. There are some 300,000 FReepers. That’s more than enough to control the party apparatus in every state. Run, run and win.

    Better still, primary EVERY GOP officeholder.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/08/2015 10:46:13 AM PST · 67 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to 1010RD
    Let’s see what comes of it.

    What comes of it? Next to nothing, I'll wager.

    Even if Grothman is a budget hawk and inserts some innovative key language or provision during the committee process into a budget bill, will it survive markup with a committee chairman beholden to Boehner?

    Will it survive to a final version and floor vote in front of a GOP caucus beholden to Boehner?

    Will it survive a conference committee negotiation with conferees named by and beholden to Boehner and (worse yet) Mitch McConnell?

    If Grothman's innovative and bold budget language survives conferencing and is approved by both Houses, will it survive within a bill signed by President Obama? Or one that returns to both Houses for a 2/3 override vote?

    What does it matter? If the establishment knows that you are willing to negotiate a moderation of any one conservative position, they will attempt to compel moderation of ALL conservative positions.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/08/2015 10:09:58 AM PST · 65 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to 1010RD
    Which key committee?

    Grothman will be on House Budget, House Government Oversight, and House Education and Work Force committees.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/07/2015 11:09:13 AM PST · 49 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to Diana in Wisconsin
    I can’t find how Joni Ernst, Mia Love or Scott Brown voted. Looking like all of our Newbies voted FOR that putz!

    Joni Ernst is a US Senator. Scott Brown lost his Senate race in New Hampshire. But Mia Love - like most of the freshman House class - voted for Tan Man. A few freshman did vote against Boehner, but not many.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/07/2015 11:04:11 AM PST · 48 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to Tulane
    Just curious, was he elected to vote against Boehner? I hardly doubt that came up in the campaign.

    Actually, it was an issue during the August primary. Grothman (my state senator at the time) bested two other major candidates - conservative Duey Stroebel (my state representative at the time) and GOPe state senator Joe Leibham from Sheboygan with a 200 vote margin & 35% primary plurality.

    During the primary, Stroebel accused (presciently) Grothman of not being conservative enough. GOPe-leaning radio talker Charlie Sykes and Grothman called Stroebel's accusations as silly, miniscule and mean.

    “I would have no problem looking for an alternative to Speaker Boehner,” Grothman said in a candidate debate Aug. 1. “I have no problem standing up to Republican leadership.” (Quote from source article above)

    Please note that Grothman's comment came BEFORE Boehner pushed Cromnibus and failed to actively oppose Amnesty in November.

    Under no circumstances would Duey Stroebel have voted for Boehner as Speaker - before or after November.

    Gee, I guess Stroebel would have been a more conservative choice.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/07/2015 9:18:43 AM PST · 43 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to afraidfortherepublic
    My guess from here is the old adage, “If you are going to strike the king, you must kill the king.” If Glenn did not see that this effort was going to succeed (after all 25 votes out of 500+ is not a very good showing) he’d be smarter to work within the system.

    Nice straw man, btw. But there are only 435 voting House members (not 500+) and the number of votes required for election to Speaker is a simple majority of those actually voting less any member who votes present. Boehner was elected Speaker yesterday with around 200 votes - the fewest number of votes in the last 100 years.

    The final tally does not reflect the futility of striking the king, it reflects the extreme unprincipled cowardice of a small handful of alleged conservatives who could AND should have forced a second ballot.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/07/2015 8:56:39 AM PST · 39 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to afraidfortherepublic
    If Glenn did not see that this effort was going to succeed (after all 25 votes out of 500+ is not a very good showing) he’d be smarter to work within the system.

    To what end?

    I didn't send Glenn to DC (and yes, I held my nose and voted for him in the general) to get better "stuff" for my congressional district.

    Any House member can write or sponsor legislation. Assuming that Grothman truly has some unique conservative ideas he wants to promote, did Grothman's logrolling on the Speaker vote really create a measurable difference into whether any of his unique legislative ideas come to fruition?

    Not likely.

    Our representatives need to stand on principle on every day and on every vote. Grothman proved himself to be just another weasel GOP politician - on his very first day and his very first vote in DC!

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/07/2015 8:21:10 AM PST · 25 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to MNlurker
    I was just fine with Grothman going as my representative as Dewey reeks of a career politician too...already running for State Senate seat now, but not worth fighting over that right now.

    I think there is a profound difference between a former lawyer whose only job has been as a state legislator for the last 22 years versus a full-time multiple business owner who is seeking to continue to moonlight after 3 years as a part-time citizen legislator while parenting 8 children who are highly active in local school and community events.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/07/2015 8:08:23 AM PST · 16 of 71
    Sideshow Bob to Tulane
    I can’t blame Grothman for refusing to participate in a fools errand.

    I blame Grothman for failing to stand up for conservative principles.

    There is no way any honest conservative could support Boehner for Speaker. Therefore, Grothman sold out his conservative principle in exchange for either his personal benefit of a more prestigious committee assignment or some potential future benefit - some "greater good" - to his constiuents.

    Either way, Grothman sold out.

  • Glenn Grothman a Sellout? Give Me A Break

    01/07/2015 7:49:35 AM PST · 1 of 71
    Sideshow Bob
    Yes, Grothman sold out for a key committee assignment.

    I posted all during the primary to Wisconsin FReepers that Duey Stroebel was the better AND more conservative choice. One FReeper in particular - a GOPe flack from Mequon - took great umbrage at my declaration that I didn't trust Grothman because:

    a) he was a lawyer
    b) he was a 22-year career politician seeking to replace a 37-year career politician
    c) he didn't live in the congressional district at the declaration of his candidacy
    d) he was never married and never raised a family
    e) he was a weirdo loner who further removed himself from the experiences of his constituents because he doesn't watch TV or movies

    I hate to say I told you so, but...

    I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

  • Speaker of the House vote [Live Thread]

    01/06/2015 10:01:16 AM PST · 288 of 993
    Sideshow Bob to MNlurker; afraidfortherepublic
    Apparently Grothman WILL vote for Boehner.

    As I mentioned in my email to him he didn’t even make it a full day in DC before he became a part of what he swore he was going there to shake up.

    Now I start as I told him my personal mission moving forward to make sure anyone I know votes for anyone but Glenn moving forward.

    Just goes to show that the Washington elite can’t be too concerned with what us simpletons back home want...nice work Glenn it didn’t take you long.

    But, but, but...afraidfortherepublic told me that Grothman was a better choice in the primary than uberconservative Duey Stroebel. Duey bucked the GOPe in Madison and definitely would have voted Boehner out.

    Glenn talks a good game, but he's really just a policy wonk.

    Hate to say I told her so....

  • The Boehner for speaker whip count [14 against so far]

    01/05/2015 1:32:42 PM PST · 153 of 487
    Sideshow Bob to leapfrog0202
    Grothmann has been bought and paid for with a plum committee seat. He will be voting for Boehner.

    Tomorrow's Speaker vote is precisely why I wanted Stroebel to win the seat. Stroebel absolutely would have voted to oust Boehner.

  • David Ruenzel, Who Made Living Excusing Black Criminals Murdered by...

    12/05/2014 1:09:45 PM PST · 59 of 80
    Sideshow Bob to YHAOS
    So it has become more a case of mind-reading.

    Um, no. Nice projection on your part, though.

    Your comments are precisely why I made a generic admonishment at certain incivilities on this thread.

    Stay classy!

  • David Ruenzel, Who Made Living Excusing Black Criminals Murdered by...

    12/05/2014 12:34:57 PM PST · 50 of 80
    Sideshow Bob to YHAOS
    You assume these unnamed “posters” speak with malice? Because that’s how a Liberal would speak?

    I assume nothing - just making the observation that a number of posters made rude and insensitive comments. I didn't name any posters to politely avoid individual flames.

    Denigrating Ruenzel as gay or as a liberal POS, etc. is sophomoric and - yes - malicious. The man is dead, may he rest in peace.

  • David Ruenzel, Who Made Living Excusing Black Criminals Murdered by...

    12/05/2014 11:27:26 AM PST · 31 of 80
    Sideshow Bob to Veto!
    Some of the posters to this thread should be ashamed of themselves.

    David Ruenzel's brother is a good friend of mine in our church choir and men's Bible study. His brother, father, wife and children are completely devastated.

    David Ruenzel was raised in a conservative Wisconsin family, home and church. He became a liberal at college and converted to a C&E Catholic to accommodate his wife.

    Whatever his political leanings, no one deserves to be shot & killed for a few dollars in their wallet.

  • Harry Reid raises impeachment … to raise last-minute election money

    10/31/2014 7:54:26 AM PDT · 21 of 61
    Sideshow Bob to anoldafvet
    “Frankly, a Republican House and Senate could go beyond shutting down the government"

    This sentence makes no sense. If the Republicans controlled both the House & Senate, wouldn't they simply pass a budget?

  • In heated midterm contests, GOP candidates explore a move to the middle

    09/22/2014 8:28:19 AM PDT · 45 of 55
    Sideshow Bob to dfwgator
    The GOP is the Will Muschamp of political parties.

    A well-dressed leader without a firm grasp of playing offense or defense?

  • Is This The End of the Scott Walker Experiment?

    08/28/2014 9:57:14 AM PDT · 27 of 38
    Sideshow Bob to tanknetter
    Wisconsin is a pretty Blue state..."

    Actually, Wisconsin is actually very blue, very red and very purple. The city of Milwaukee and the People's Republic of Madison have been and always will be blue. Western & Northwoods Wisconsin is bluish-purple (I blame the proximity to Minnesota DFLers). The suburban/exurban counties surrounding Milwaukee are extremely red. and central and northeastern Wisconsin are moderately red.

    Yes, Wisconsin has not been won by a GOP presidential candidate since 1984, but that is largely due to rampant voter fraud in Madison & Milwaukee. In lower turnout non-presidential years, the state as a whole is purple with a slight reddish tinge.

    With regard to this specific poll, the poll oversampled Democrats +5% and conducted the poll over a weekend which is viewed by polling experts as problematic. Weekend sampling tends to produce more tepid GOP responders.

    I'm not worried. No matter what polls may say, Walker will win 53-47.

  • Glenn Grothman wins 6th District GOP congressional primary

    08/15/2014 11:20:46 AM PDT · 55 of 64
    Sideshow Bob to afraidfortherepublic
    No. Forcing, encouraging (whatever) a small child to shout an ugly epithet on TV in imitation of an adult is a form of child exploitation.

    Yes, I knew that's what you meant. My baseball quip was an attempt at humor. I'm not sure what you find insulting or ugly about the term "You're Out." It is neither. But your liberal interpretation of child exploitation is equally laughable.

    It just makes most folks feel "icky" and sad for the kid who is at an age when parents should be reminding him to say "please and thank you." It wouldn't have had the same uncomfortable effect if it had been one of the teens, or Mrs. Stroebal delivering the punch line.

    Reminding HIM? The line was delivered by a little girl. I just told you in my last post that HER name was Mary.

    Maybe you didn't really see the ad. Perhaps you are just repeating what someone else told you. You completely missed the intended subliminal point of the ad - even an 8-year old knows it is wrong to be a career politician. You also had no clue about the actual district lines in Ozaukee County or exactly how long Duey has been in the Assembly.

    It's scary to know that you are an Ozaukee County voter volunteer/canvasser with such awful powers of observation. But hey, thanks for volunteering! Please keep up the good work!

    Here's the bottom line: A plurality of voters in the 6th CD are replacing a career politician with a 37-year tenure with a career politician of 21 years (and rising).

    I think that is "icky."

  • Glenn Grothman wins 6th District GOP congressional primary

    08/15/2014 9:37:31 AM PDT · 51 of 64
    Sideshow Bob to afraidfortherepublic
    Wow. You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

    No, I was not a part of Duey's team. He is a friend. We have same-aged children (although I only have 4). I've been a baseball coach for 2 of his sons. My campaign involvement was limited to helping to procure the baseball field and providing the baseball equipment used in the commercial. That's it.

    "Everybody" I know loved the ad. Of course, most of the "everybody" I know are baseball families - just like the Stroebels. We're kind of partial to that theme. Our families spend tens of hours on a baseball field every week of the spring and summer playing, coaching or watching baseball. Little Mary Stroebel was thrilled to put on baseball gear (just like her older brothers' part-time umpire jobs - and yes, ALL of Duey's children work hard at multiple part-time jobs) and simulate an umpire's out call.

    And "swarmy"? I think the word you meant to use is "smarmy" - which still isn't appropriate usage.

    But I'm really more amused by your warped viewpoint that baseball is a form of child abuse. Wow!!

    Also, I never "wrote off" Mequon-Thiensville as insignificant. I was simply correcting your GROSS MISSTATEMENT that none of Ozaukee County remained in Grothman's district after 2011 redistricting. My point was that nearly ALL of Ozaukee County EXCEPT Mequon-Thiensville remained in the district. There's that reading comprehension issue again.

    As for your "where would we be without Glenn" rant, I would remind you that 20th Senate District is a safe Republican seat. If not Glenn, then some other conservative leaning Republican would have represented the district and helped forward the Walker agenda. Please don't make Glenn out to be some sort of Uberpolitician. He's done a good job as a state senator, but really nothing that would merit a "promotion."

    I've previously acknowledged the point that the exaggerated ads (Stroebel's first and then later Grothman's) were bad moves. And yes, conflating Grothman's fundraising with Leibham's was dumb. A smart campaign manager would have dealt with the career politician issue (Grothman & Leibham) and the moderate/GOPe/fundraising issue (Leibham) separately. You elevate a campaign tactic (one which Grothman displayed to a lesser extent) ahead of the candidate. I will always look at the candidate first and the tactic second. If tactics really mattered, Grothman's submarining of Duey's informally announced campaign should have been a negatively defining act.

    I'm sure your memory of appearances at Mequon constituent events is slightly skewed. Grothman has been around area events as a state senator and candidate since 2004. And prior to that Grothman had been near the area as an assemblyman since 1993 (Gee, it makes you wonder if Glenn ever had a real job?). By contrast, Duey was elected in a special election in April 2011 and officially served as your state rep for a grand total of 20 months, but effectively ceased to represent Mequon for the Fall 2012 election season. For arguments sake, let's call it 16 months (March 2011-July 2012). Hmmm, 20 years of familiarity versus 16 months - which might you remember more?

    Also consider Duey's more constitutionally appropriate treatment of his legislative position as a part-time citizen legislator while continuing to run his realty, investment and property management business. Glenn has always treated his legislative posts as though they were full-time jobs. And without owning a home or raising a family, I guess Glenn really had nothing better to do with his time.

    Glenn does great constituent service (as does Stroebel and Leibham). Working inside the Capitol, Stroebel and Leibham are much easier to work with. Working with Glenn on behalf of business or industry has always been difficult unless the issue fits within Glenn's narrow field of view.

    You can like Grothman all you want. I think he's somewhat of a kook - a conservative kook, to be sure - and I will always be lukewarm on him. I will vote for the guy, but I'm just not a fan. Why does that upset you so much?

  • Glenn Grothman wins 6th District GOP congressional primary

    08/14/2014 8:49:18 PM PDT · 49 of 64
    Sideshow Bob to afraidfortherepublic
    Whatever.

    Your posts are so factually incorrect, it's hard to know where to start.

    Glenn's 20th Senate district encompasses all of Duey Stroebel's 60th Assembly District (the northern 2/3 of Ozaukee County and northeastern Washington County) plus Assembly Districts 58 & 59 (Washington County north of Richfield & Holy Hill minus parts of Hartford).

    The only parts of Ozaukee County NOT in Glenn's & Duey's districts are Mequon-Thiensville and a lakeside portion of the Town of Grafton (given to Alberta Darling's district to make it safer for the GOP).

    You keep trumpeting Grothman's "accomplishments" as a politician. For many conservatives, Glenn's lengthy time in office and the fact that he is both a lawyer & politician by trade are negative traits, not positive ones.

    People perceive things differently. Charlie Sykes & Jay Weber think it's a great that Glenn doesn't watch TV & movies and prefers to read scholarly books of policy and political theory. I think it identifies him as an eccentric, out-of-touch wannabe academic.

    I loved Duey's baseball ad and had a hand in its production. I'm not sure why you took offense to it. I think Duey would have had a better result if he had stuck to a campaign running against generic career and wonky politicians and promoting his successful business and family backgrounds.

    If you were so mortally offended by the Stroebel campaign's exaggeration (please note: bad & poorly executed political exaggeration, not lies) of Grothman's record, you better dig deep and gird yourself for the fall general campaign.

    As far as I know, Grothman is not a homeowner and pays no direct property taxes in the district (although some lamely argue his rental payments include a portion of his landlord's property taxes). Throw in Glenn's lifelong status as a childless single person and that he's never really been an entrepreneurial business owner and the Democrat's upcoming campaign attack characterization of Glenn Grothman as an out-of-touch firebrand policy geek will write themselves.

    Again, I like Grothman as my state senator. I will be sad to see him leave that post. I just don't think his schtick will play well in DC.

    Fortunately for Glenn and the GOP, the district is drawn favorably for Republicans

  • Glenn Grothman wins 6th District GOP congressional primary

    08/14/2014 2:47:40 PM PDT · 47 of 64
    Sideshow Bob to afraidfortherepublic
    Do you honestly think Duey would be better?

    Yes, I do. I wrote a paragraph or two spelling out exactly why I thought Duey was a better choice. I thought you said you read my posts.

    He (Duey Stroebel) has little experience as a legislator and even less success.

    Again, I've already stated my preference for a citizen legislator like Duey as opposed to a career politician like Grothman. I'm not sure what you mean by your measurement of success comment.

    He’s authored 3 Bills under Walker vs. 50 for Glenn. He’s untested. (He wasn’t there for the lockout at the Capital.)

    No, Duey hasn't been in the Legislature for more than a decade like Glenn, so I don't really expect him to have authored a bazillion bills. And no, Duey wasn't holed up in a Capitol office during the Unionista sit-ins, which occurred before Duey ran for the Legislature. I'm not sure what test occurred that Glenn or Duey or even Leibham would not have met in a similar or identical fashion.

    As my husband asks, “Why would a guy with 8 kids want to go to DC?”

    Among the positive messages Duey highlighted was that he wanted to go to DC to work to make a better life for his children and the children of his constituents. Duey vowed to spend only as much time in DC as required, so that he could come home to his family. Glenn will have a much less pressing need to return home to the district.

    Duey is likeable (or was) but his campaign this cycle was atrocious. I’m glad he lost. I’m just sorry that he undermined Glenn.

    None of the 3 major candidates were clean on that count. Grothman's ads slagged Duey and played just as loose with facts and perceptions. If you want to fingerpoint, it would be accurate to say that Duey's ads "started" it. Again, this is where I think Duey went overboard on bad advice from a bad campaign manager.

    It really showed at the poll where I worked. Glenn won both boxes easily, but Duey had a stronger showing in the box where the people had never been represented by either of them. I think that is where Duey’s negative campaign paid off.

    I disagree. I think the Milwaukee radio talkers (Sykes moreso than Belling or Weber) took greater exception to Duey's ads. Sykes was especially smarmy in his reaction (note Charlie's apology today for his unfunny personal attack on Duey's children yesterday). I think the radio talkers' overreaction drove more negative reaction than the actual ads. Sykes has always disliked Duey, but perhaps Charlie's bile was more of an attempt to increase talk radio influence on the seat by kingmaking a Milwaukee exurban politician supported by more listeners to prevent victory for Leibham and his supporters on the fringe of the Milwaukee radio market. If so, it's quite possible that the talkers would have broken bad on Grothman instead of Duey if Glenn had "started" the mudslinging.

    But not enough to win, and there are many people who will never forget it. (or forgive)

    And there are those who won't forget that Grothman cravenly jumped ahead of Stroebel's informal candidacy into a race for a district in which Glenn did NOT live. "Politics ain't beanbag" as the saying goes, but Glenn broke a lot of political etiquette with his move. Political and industry professionals like myself notice things like that. This is where I advised Duey to focus any "attack" (along with the weird, loner wonk tag) on Glenn, but understand that it is a more esoteric distinction. Instead, his advisors pushed him to inaccurately lump Grothman together with Leibham.

    We can count on Glenn...

    ...to be crass, blunt, brusque, clumsy and sometimes unintentionally offensive in his public comments at perhaps the most inopportune time. Just a prediction - the next time the GOP has a down year, Glenn will be vulnerable (more than Stroebel and Leibham would be) to a Democrat challenger from Winnebago or Sheboygan County.

    Glenn's not an awful choice for the district. Just like Sensenbrenner, he's just not a really good one.