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Sudentenland,

The only zealot I’m seeing in this discussion is yourself.

You seem to be highly offended by what a reasonable parent would do to influence their children. Childhood is not young adulthood, nor is it adulthood. Childhood is generally thought to be preparation for adulthood.

Parents ought to and do indeed make discerning choices for their children, it’s all about formation, not just character formation, but also formation to prepare them for and adulthood that hopefully will help the future adult also be reasonable and discerning.

Funny, you don’t seem to be able to stay on point.

And, I’ll repeat, you write that parents making reasonable decisions about their children’s reading choices indicates some kind of zealotry, because....let me get this......you’ve never murdered anyone, some colleges have satanic mascots and the Marines have a mascot called “devil-dogs.”

Uhm......ok.... I guess the attempt at having an intelligent discussion ended right about there.

ho-hum....

Not exactly, the Harry Potter series of books, is not one book, it’s a highly influential series of books which enforces anti-Christian values.

Every thing we give our children to read should be chosen with a discerning eye. As they get older and more capable of understanding books which delve into anti-Christian subjects one is more prepared to consider those types of books so as to study them and discuss them with the offspring.

Only a foolish parent, does not consider fiction as an influence on their children.

See, with my Faith I chose to interpret the world around me, If I also chose to determine that the series of books about Harry Potter teaches things which I find contrary to my Faith, I can chose to decide that my kids should not read it.

Fear does not enter into the equation, unless of course, one has no Faith, at which point fear is a major factor, otherwise, why bring it up?

**”Oh, geez.

Not every piece of fiction out there has to be written with the intent of advocating religion. Nor should every piece of fiction out there be viewed through that lens.”**

I believe we have Faith for a reason, in addition to many other things a well formed Faith helps us to judge the world around us.

Fiction is an essential part of our culture, and it serves a basic purpose for us, if we promote fiction for children, then yes, we should examine the fiction through the lens of our Faith.

There is nothing wrong with that and plenty of right with it.

We are a Judeo Christian Culture, one way we can pass this culture on to our children is through fiction. If we continue to give accolades to fiction that is contrary to our beliefs then as a culture soon enough the culture’s beliefs will erode, degrade, disintegrate and we as a civilization will not be Judeo Christian in thought as well as in action.

ON the Radio today Rush said this resolution had already been passed twice by the US government!!! If so, the question he asked is WHY would the congress want to pass this now, if not to make things difficult for Pres. Bush, and cause us to negatively affect our role in the war against Terror in the Middle East.

I think he is right, and if as he says the resolution has been passed twice, then there is no need for our politicians to chose this moment in time to once again pass a resolution on the genocide.

so....

From the book: The Road from Home, by David Kherdian, the son of a survivor of the attempted annihilation of the Armenian people by the official Turkish government:

"September 16, 1916.- To the Government of Aleppo.

It was at first communicated to you that the government, by order of the Jemiet, had decided to destroy completely all the Armenians living in Turkey.... An end must be put to their existence, however criminal the measures taken may be, and no regard must be paid to either age or sex nor to conscientious scruples.

Minister of the Interior Talaat Pasha."

"August 22, 1939. - I have given orders to my Death Units to exterminate without mercy or pity men, women, and children belonging to the Polish-speaking race. It is only in this manner that we can acquire the vital territory which we need. After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Armenians?

Adolf Hitler. "

What will we as Americans stand for? Coddling evil, or recognizing it for what it is?

I’m all for our country recognizing as a matter of historical record that the Armenian population in Turkey was indeed exterminated through official acts of genocide on the part of the Turkish government/people.

Oh come on! The plantation system was created by the Portuguese in Brazil, and carried to the English Caribbean by Jews fleeing from Pernanbuco when this city, previously taken by the Dutch, was reconquered by the Portuguese in 1641. In the British commercial world the system was utterly improved. To avoid revolts, a sharp distinction between races was imposed by the elites of North America. (Empires of the Atlantic World, Britain and Spain in America 1492-1830; Michael Elliot)

Of course, J Aguilar, one's point of view will be different when one looks at just WHAT the British were "Utterly Improving"

ENGLAND'S IRISH SLAVES

"...Records are replete with references to early Irish Catholics in the West Indies. Gwynn in Analecta Hibernica, states: 'The earliest reference to the Irish is the establishment of an Irish settlement on the Amazon River in 1612."(1) Smith, in Colonists in Bondage, reports: "a Proclamation of the year 1625 urged the banishing overseas of dangerous rogues (Irish Political Prisoners); kidnapping (of Irish) was common."(2)

Condon states that the first considerable emigration from Ireland to the southern latitudes of America was to Guiana in 1629.(3) Newton declares that Antigua and Montserrat were occupied as early as 1632 and that many emigrant Irish came out among the early planters and servants in these islands.(4) Dunn, in Sugar and Slaves, asserts that, in 1636, Ireland was already a prime source of supply for servants: as early as 1637, on Montserrat the Irish heavily outnumbered the English colonists, and 69 percent of Montserrat's white inhabitants were Irish.(5) Lenihan writes: in 1650 "25,000 Irishmen sold as slaves in Saint Kitt's and the adjoining islands, petitioned for a priest..."(6)

In 1641, Ireland's population was 1,466,000 and in 1652, 616,000. According to Sir William Petty, 850,000 were wasted by the sword, plague, famine, hardship and banishment during the Confederation War 1641-1652. At the end of the war, vast numbers of Irish men, women and children were forcibly transported to the American colonies by the English government.(7) These people were rounded up like cattle, and, as Prendergast reports on Thurloe's State Papers(8) (Pub. London, 1742), "In clearing the ground for the adventurers and soldiers (the English capitalists of that day)... To be transported to Barbados and the English plantations in America. It was a measure beneficial to Ireland, which was thus relieved of a population that might trouble the planters; it was a benefit to the people removed, which might thus be made English and Christians ... a great benefit to the West India sugar planters, who desired men and boys for their bondsmen, and the women and Irish girls... To solace them."(9)

J. Williams provides additional evidence of the attitude of the English government towards the Irish in an English law of June 26, 1657: "Those who fail to transplant themselves into Connaught (Ireland's Western Province) or (County) Clare within six months... Shall be attained of high treason... Are to be sent into America or some other parts beyond the seas..."(10) Those thus banished who return are to "suffer the pains of death as felons by virtue of this act, without benefit of Clergy."(11)

The following are but a few of the numerous references to those Irish transported against their will between 1651 and 1660......"

Read ON:[ http://www.ewtn.com/library/HUMANITY/SLAVES.TXT ]

Certainly, from an Irish Catholic perspective of the day, Utterly Improving would not exactly be the first thought that comes to mind now, would it?

Great link, looking forward to listening to interview!!

thanks.

Schismatic bishop calls Motu Propio on 1962 Missal historic "leap" CNA ^ | July 12, 2007

What Vatican document has named and declared Bishop Fellay as a Schismatic, have you got any idea?

Thanks.

Yes, you’re too sensitive.

Take a cue from your brother, he laughed, you cursed.

There’s a war on, Americans are dying overseas, and you get all worked up over a purported cranky comment that no one else heard but you?

Don’t they teach fancy salaried guys like you, who have big scary taxes every year, with job experience on three continents and lots of swanky foreign friends, how to handle real or not so real cranky comments on the streets of New York?

Or was this your first time out and one of the commoners didn’t display the proper obeisance?

You sound more like one of those braggart like characters in an Univision soap opera who will excuse their own behaviour but expect all the unwashed masses they meet to welcome them with open arms and short memories.

If the Sedevacantist position is that there is no Pope, which essentially and realistically places them outside of the Catholic Faith, why don’t they act honest with everyone and stop calling themselves Catholics and call themselves Protestants?

It’s very sad to continue to see the Catholic Church attacked not only from without but from those who still have the audacity to call themselves Catholic.

Every time I see an article about Couric and how others are to blame for the failure going on over at CBS I recall a placard my husband used to have hanging in his workshop:

The Six Steps In Any Project

1) Unbounded enthusiasm

2) Total disillusionment

3) PANIC!!

4) Frantic search for the guilty

5) Punishment of the innocent

6) Promotion of the uninvolved

I think Couric is still in living in step 4, right now the viewers are guilty for her failure.

Looks to me like Federal, State, Local Government agencies as well as University and private sources are spending money hand over fist to give health care to individuals who are here illegally:

Since 1997, 14 area hospitals have stopped delivering babies.

Undocumented women constitute 60 to 65 percent of about 3,000 prenatal patients treated at city health clinics yearly,

Eight years ago, she said, "all of them were insured."

Drexel University College of Medicine is using medical school tuition to keep its obstetrics program afloat as it staffs city health clinics

New Jersey, ... use their own money to fund Medicaid coverage for prenatal care for illegal immigrant women. But the $3.8 million - enough for 7,439 women - runs out after only about four months,

Much of their care after that would likely be subsidized by providers,

a pregnant illegal immigrant who had not had prenatal care went to one of his emergency rooms in 2005 with bleeding in her brain caused by preventable conditions. She needed three operations, and her baby was born early and sick. Their care cost the hospital $151,019 , he said, but it got only $23,544

Several worrisome points in this article:

1. Availability of quality health care for Americans is deteriorating, while

2. health care costs for Americans are increasing, while

3. Tuition costs rise to pay for medical care for illegals, which means,

4. Monies which should go towards the future high quality of medical education is being spent now which means,

5. Future quality of health care and medical training is put in jeopardy.

It’s the welfare / government interference with the health care industry that is also part of the problem.

It’s the same with the education / university system in the country.

Taxpayers are forced to subsidize the Marxist ideologies of elected lawmakers who have rigged their own system which enables them to stay in office to come up with these schemes.

Re-distribution of wealth via health care and education.

The fleecing of the American taxpayer.

Back when Ecclesia Dei came out, a Bishop (Ordinary of a rather LARGE diocese) told me personally, that they (I don’t know if it was the whole NCCB or just selected members) had held a meeting at Seton Hall for the express purpose of devising a strategy AROUND Ecclesia Dei . . . and he was very very blatant and unapologetic about this.

Let’s see what happens this time around.

Does it not break your heart? Christ Crucified all over again.

They fear nothing.

Apparently the pope is giving priests permission to celebrate the Tridentine mass, regardless of the wishes of their bishops.

Yes, I think you're right. If the Bishops have any loopholes with which to deny a priest saying the Latin Mass, they will use it.

On the other hand, how soon before we start reading about abuses in the Latin Masses?

The whole thing is a big mess. Is the Motu Propio even the solution to the mess?

Isn't it more that we have a whole mentality existing in the Church today which obscures real Catholic doctrine, practices, behaviours by the use of all the novelties that have become institutionalized?

Well, from some things we've heard, the wiggle room will be on our side for a change, and bishops may well have to go out of their way to put a stop to it. I hope that's right!

So do I!!

Error sometimes creeps in slowly, sometimes just by accident. Then steps have to be taken (Deo Gratias!) to fix it.

This is true, things have to be fixed, sometimes I'd like to see it fixed right now, not at some future date. Impatience is part of me!!

The American bishops were given too much rope, but now it appears that they have hanged themselves.

American Mother, I know, it's unbelievable how far they've gone.

We are fortunate in our archdiocese to have had a great archbishop for the last 10 years, and he has done a lot of groundwork to bring back the Latin. He is now retired but is still an "emeritus" and hanging around to make sure the new man doesn't run off the rails.

I think this shows what is wrong with what is going on today.

How many times have we seen a good Bishop be replaced by a Bishop who decides to undo or do whatever he envisions for his diocese. They operate as petty kings of fiefdoms with no regard to either the future of their flock, the state of the souls in their diocese, or their own souls.

It's just too many times we've heard, my diocese is different, or my parish, or my church, or my parish school...meanwhile the wreck goes on in another corner of the Church.

That is the point, We are ALL the Branches of the VINE. What happens for the worse in one diocese, does affect us in another.

When Saul was persecuting the early Church Jesus made it abundantly clear to him that what he did to the Christians he was doing to Him, Jesus.

The going-ons at a bad parish or diocese affect all of us, we can't just be complacent because our neck of the woods is running in a manner we can live with. That's appeasement.

What we the faithful need is a complete overhaul with good shepherds who love the Church as Jesus loved the Church.

The primary power of the Pope is to pick his college of cardinals. Like the supreme court, it isn’t an exact science.

Not exactly but I get your point, in the end though, they will all answer to the same Divine Authority.