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Posts by Smokin' Joe

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  • Earthquake in Nepal: Patan Durbar Square shattered completely

    04/25/2015 9:41:11 AM PDT · 12 of 15
    Smokin' Joe to Red in Blue PA
    In before the 'blame fraccing' nits.

    Prayers up for the people of Nepal.

  • Please pray for my Mom

    04/23/2015 3:51:52 PM PDT · 10 of 140
    Smokin' Joe to Tolerance Sucks Rocks

    Prayers up for your Mom, and the whole family.

  • Native American Actors Walk Off Adam Sandler Movie: Netflix Says They're Missing The Joke

    04/23/2015 3:50:27 PM PDT · 19 of 55
    Smokin' Joe to cripplecreek
    I showed that movie to a bunch of barely twenty somethings fifteen years ago, and they were horrified at the use of the 'n' word.

    They preferred the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

    Times sure have changed.

  • ‘Swatting’ prank brings heavy police presence to family home in Massachusetts

    04/23/2015 3:42:22 PM PDT · 18 of 51
    Smokin' Joe to stylin_geek

    While many of us might revile the practice, shooting dogs seems to be standard fare.

  • ‘Swatting’ prank brings heavy police presence to family home in Massachusetts

    04/23/2015 3:33:35 PM PDT · 13 of 51
    Smokin' Joe to stylin_geek
    This incident seems to be out of the ordinary which suggests to me someone with bad intentions, like jihadis, did this in order to gather some intel.

    One possibility, to be sure. Others would be to get the police into a bad shoot for the purpose of pumping the bad press sure to follow, or for declaring another 'racial incident' depending on the race of the victims.

  • Oklahoma goes from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day

    04/22/2015 6:01:33 AM PDT · 126 of 175
    Smokin' Joe to UnwashedPeasant
    The saltwater injection isn't occurring at a depth where groundwater is involved (injection wells are much deeper).

    If you tried to drink the water from the geologic formations the production water is injected into, you would not last long. The salinity is too high.

    The greatest reason I have serious suspicions that the connection is questionable is that most earthquakes occur at depths significantly deeper than those the production water is injected. If the earthquake foci are of the same depth as the disposal strata in the same area as the injection wells, there may be a connection.

  • Oklahoma goes from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day

    04/22/2015 12:27:39 AM PDT · 123 of 175
    Smokin' Joe to Republican Wildcat
    Is it not possible to do this without disposing of the wastewater underground?

    The wastewater is produced with the oil and gas. It can't be dumped in a stream (saline), so it is disposed of in porous formations in the subsurface, well below the water table for potable water. What else is there to do with it but put it back in the ground?

  • Oklahoma goes from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day

    04/22/2015 12:23:04 AM PDT · 122 of 175
    Smokin' Joe to Star Traveler

    If injection wells (Saltwater disposal wells) are linked to earthquakes, please keep in mind that first, saltwater disposal is not the same thing a as hydraulic fracturing, and second, that other places are disposing of saltwater without the earthquakes. The latter suggests there is a lot of pent-up tectonic energy in OK, if the two are definitely related, and that the injection wells are causing the stress to be let off in small events. This is preferable to one large event.

  • Mysterious disease that kills patients within 24 hours leaves at least 18 dead in Nigeria

    04/20/2015 7:23:25 AM PDT · 61 of 69
    Smokin' Joe to Jet Jaguar

    I saw that, and that it was likely pesticide poisoning. Thanks for the ping!

  • Father dies

    04/19/2015 8:15:11 PM PDT · 141 of 149
    Smokin' Joe to School of Rational Thought

    You have our prayers. Recall all that is good about him and pass that on.

  • Mysterious disease that kills patients within 24 hours leaves at least 18 dead in Nigeria

    04/19/2015 5:56:27 PM PDT · 42 of 69
    Smokin' Joe to DoughtyOne
    It appears the reservoir for the disease is fruit bats, which are migratory. Most likely, those migration patterns influence outbreaks of Ebola, and to a lesser extent Marburg. Actually contracting the disease would be a crapshoot (for the index case), and appears to be related to caretaking and funerary practices for the infected for the most part during an outbreak.

    Aside from the cultural factors, there may be some inherent or acquired immunity to the disease there as well, much as cowpox exposed Europeans were more likely to ward off smallpox.

    There is still a lot of research to be done, and the understanding of the disease from the current (if waning) outbreak won't be all published for a couple of years yet.

  • Mysterious disease that kills patients within 24 hours leaves at least 18 dead in Nigeria

    04/19/2015 5:48:49 PM PDT · 39 of 69
    Smokin' Joe to patriot08

    They’ll have to bottle it. It doesn’t sound like the time from onset to death is long enough to spread it around over great distances—provided it isn’t some sort of poisoning.

  • Mysterious disease that kills patients within 24 hours leaves at least 18 dead in Nigeria

    04/19/2015 5:46:38 PM PDT · 38 of 69
    Smokin' Joe to DoughtyOne
    People dying this quick don't make for a very good epidemic.

    Very true, and worth repeating.

    (Just because Ebola isn't in the news--thanks, in part to Czardom--doesn't mean that outbreak is over yet.) Death rates as reported are down, but new cases are still happening in the region (West Africa).

    There is always some bad news somewhere, for someone. With the wonders of modern technology we all get to find about it, unless the Government is having the media spike the story.

  • Family wins back 1933 $20 Double Eagle gold coins worth $80 million seized by feds

    04/19/2015 5:38:59 PM PDT · 76 of 76
    Smokin' Joe to Yogafist
    defense attorneys, organizations that defend criminals...

    You ever stop to think that defense attorneys defend the innocent, too?

    Just because your stuff was seized doesn't mean you have been or ever will be charged with anything. You still have to sue to get it back.

    If you fit a profile (like making small cash deposits on a regular basis--which many small businesses do--the government can rip you off. If you make large cash deposits, the government can rip you off, with the logic that either way, you are a drug dealer. You don't have to be charged with anything, but you have to sue and prove a negative to get your money back--after your accounts have been seized, based on arbitrary profiling. If you haven't stashed enough cash somewhere to get an attorney or land one on commission, you are royally screwed.

    What ever happened to "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."?

    Due process has morphed into someone passing a law to redefine it, and the presumption of innocence has been cast aside.

    Don't you find it odd that business persons can be profiled but terrorists (esp. Muslims) can't?

  • Family wins back 1933 $20 Double Eagle gold coins worth $80 million seized by feds

    04/19/2015 12:50:36 PM PDT · 75 of 76
    Smokin' Joe to abb
    If the coins were replaced with double eagles of an earlier mintage, they were exchanged. As for "theft", that would imply that nothing had been done to replace the value of those coins. That apparently was not the case.

    If a cashier exchanges a $5 Federal Reserve Note for a $5 United States Note or Silver Certificate that came in in commerce, is that stealing? I am asking this because I have worked places where these notes have come in in trade--as well as the odd silver quarter, dime, or wheat backed cent. Most of those were picked up by attentive cashiers and exchanged for more modern forms of equal legal tender value. Would that be considered stealing?

  • Evidence of Pre-Columbus Trade Found in Alaska House

    04/17/2015 11:24:28 PM PDT · 35 of 62
    Smokin' Joe to conservativejoy

    The oldest evidence is likely under water out on the Continental Shelf. (Sea level rose when the ice sheets melted, doubtless flooding the coastal townsites.) If the water was the highway, those ancient river mouths and harbors were likely sites for people to settle.

  • Evidence of Pre-Columbus Trade Found in Alaska House

    04/17/2015 11:21:24 PM PDT · 34 of 62
    Smokin' Joe to DoughtyOne
    Is anyone here married to the idea Columbus had to be the first discoverer of the Americas?

    Mrs. Joe is Chippewa. She says "What are we, chopped liver?" "Just because we walked across..."

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/15/2015 3:46:53 PM PDT · 43 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    20-20 hindsight, I knew it from the beginning, why didn’t you and the others?

    Maybe because we were looking at what was in front of us not out the other end.

    Clueless? Projections of the disease's progress in Africa were pretty much spot-on until new treatment methods and additional assistance were forthcoming, so I would not say that was "Clueless".

    Most predictions of possible disaster here were based on the disease getting in the wild on these shores. That, generally, did not happen. It's like saying that because the person standing in the puddle of gasoline didn't strike a match, there's no danger of fire, and then saying "I told you so".

    That the fundamental conditions which those projections were based on did not come to pass did not mean there was no danger if they had. It just means the conditions were not right. So you bet on the best-case scenario. Bravo, kudos, don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. My purpose in all this wasn't to predict so much as to chronicle, and be aware of what the worst case might bring. (Hint: we already knew if no one got sick there wouldn't be a problem.)

    There was a lot of interest in preventing that worst case, and the gross missteps the administration was making in doing so did little to gain the confidence of anyone paying attention. Ebola could have very easily been much more of a problem than it was. Thankfully, it wasn't.

    Actually we're glad not to be burying people wholesale, too (well, at least most of them).

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/15/2015 3:19:08 PM PDT · 41 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    ...it is too late for your fear mongering, screaming that if we let Americans come home for medical treatment, that thousands and millions of us are going to die.

    That characterization is undeserved, and with your 20-20 hindsight, many of the unknowns of the time have been removed by studying the current outbreak. The disease is still extant, only the information on what is going on has gone away.

    Awkward things like inadequate protocols from the CDC and the fact that there were only 22 level 4 beds in the US get swept under the rug that way. After all, it is somewhat embarrassing for the "Obamacare" administration to be caught with its pants down in the face of a potentially serious biological threat, and the possibility of biological agents being intentionally released by terrorists always looms in the background. It takes very little "What if?" to realize there are wholly inadequate means for dealing with a serious biological threat here, the borders are worse than porous with illegal immigration encouraged, and the safeguards virtually nonexistent.

    To be tediously repetitive, there were only twenty two BSL-4 beds in the entire US, and the one case outside of such containment led to two more.

    Now, about your serious case of normalcy bias.

    Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean it will not (actually we have had a pandemic here, although it only killed 2.5% of the people infected).

    I have no incentive to evoke panic, nor would I want to do so. Panic is counterproductive.

    I do want people to be informed, because being informed allows people to assess any risk and take appropriate action as needed to minimize that risk.

    The government lied about Ebola, and about its level of preparation for such an outbreak should it occur, insisting any hospital with an isolation unit could handle the disease.

    Aside from a disease that has killed over 10000 people (yes, Africans are people, too), the way our government lied should be cause for concern.

    We dodged the bullet this time. Instead of taking that for the wake-up call it should be, all things considered, looking back on a disaster that did not happen and using that as justification for the stance that it can't happen here is ludicrous.

    That isn't hysteria, it is just calling for responsible preparation for a pandemic event that is going to happen again sooner or later.

    I suppose we could all spend our time watching reruns of Keeping up with the Kardashians instead, but then you wouldn't have anyone to get hyperbolic and snooty with.

  • Soon Kansas will require no permit, or training, to carry concealed handguns

    04/15/2015 2:30:34 AM PDT · 12 of 25
    Smokin' Joe to kingattax
    “It’s a giant responsibility,”

    There is the money quote. It is a giant responsibility, one which many of us embrace gladly.

  • Liberian boy, 10, has diagnosis of malaria

    04/15/2015 1:37:23 AM PDT · 15 of 15
    Smokin' Joe to thackney
    His only symptom was a fever.

    An 'early' symptom of Ebola, too. With his travel history, they should check him out. At least now he knows and can be put on antimalarial drugs.

    Yep, not contagious. I have worked with people who picked it up working overseas. Nasty parasites.

  • Bacon Found Wrapped Around Edmond Mosque's Door Handles

    04/14/2015 5:47:29 AM PDT · 47 of 76
    Smokin' Joe to z taxman
    But then again not all Muslim are bad guys...

    It's a lot like lawyers. A mere 99.999% make a bad name for the rest of them.

  • Prayer Request

    04/14/2015 5:34:52 AM PDT · 76 of 90
    Smokin' Joe to Conservative4Life

    Prayers up!

  • Punishing 'climate change deniers'

    04/14/2015 5:34:03 AM PDT · 42 of 42
    Smokin' Joe to Sherman Logan

    Crap, I hope the next big one isn’t coming—I live in North Dakota and property values will really drop if we have another ice sheet here...

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/14/2015 5:31:55 AM PDT · 39 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    Carson was an idiot???

    No. Carson was right to be concerned. Anything which kills 10000 people out of 25000 people who get it is something to be concerned about.

    The US took no measures to keep the disease out.

    The CDC protocols for dealing with the disease got two people infected. Bravo! Keystone cops in scrubs.

    All they did was bury the news and spike the stories.

    The outbreak has diminished now, but is still going on. People are still dying of this stuff. We were damned lucky, yes lucky, it didn't get over here aside from a few cases (Duncan and the nurses)--not counting the ones who came over on the isolation plane.

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/13/2015 4:12:00 PM PDT · 37 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12

    Carson was right. Untreated, the mortality rate from Ebola zaire is approximately 90%. What did he say that was wrong, exactly? The two missionaries were just two of those brought in.

  • Prayers Requested for 3 YR old Grandson.

    04/13/2015 4:06:43 PM PDT · 10 of 58
    Smokin' Joe to Shery

    Prayers up for the whole family!

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/13/2015 4:03:49 PM PDT · 35 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    You so wanted something massive and world changing, and you didn’t get it.

    Wow. You're not only a mind-reader, you are 100% wrong. Did you read my post where I described Ebola reston as the one (of five filoviruses in the Ebola genus) which does not adversely affect humans? Really.

  • Punishing 'climate change deniers'

    04/13/2015 4:01:26 PM PDT · 37 of 42
    Smokin' Joe to Sherman Logan
    Because process A has happened in the past without human intervention, it doesn’t mean that humans aren’t having an effect on it now.

    Because process A has happened in the past without human intervention, repeatedly, there is no reason to believe the process will not continue to happen without human intervention.

    The question which arises is one of IF humans are capable of taking any action which will interrupt or accelerate the overall process, even if their efforts should be concentrated to that effect.

    While I believe humans can affect localized areas (i.e. heat island effects), I do not believe that humans could take sufficient action to stop the megatrends of planetary heating and cooling, any more than we can stop continental drift.

    IF humans should manage to keep the interglacial going a little longer, who is to say that will not benefit our species more than harm it?

    Flora and Fauna will do what they have always done: adapt, move, or die. Humans will do the same.

    As far as measurements go, the fundamental surface temperature measurements are generally taken from locations which are influenced by human actions directly (pavement, HVAC exhausts, buildings proximal to the location), so that limited information is flawed as well, not just estimates to fill in 'gaps' in reporting/recording of data.

    Basing policy which may negatively impact the ability of the species to survive on such measurements is scientifically irresponsible at best.

  • Punishing 'climate change deniers'

    04/13/2015 3:49:02 PM PDT · 36 of 42
    Smokin' Joe to PigRigger

    Right. CO2 is a trailing indicator, (likely from warming oceans which CO2 is less soluable in). We are being told it is the component of all this which is causing warming, instead.

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/13/2015 3:45:06 PM PDT · 33 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    Even our first Ebola outbreak in America during the 1980s didn't result in any deaths because all the Americans infected survived.

    Pretty piss poor argument, really. Ebola reston is NOT the same thing as Ebola zaire. Ebola reston infects and kills lower primates, but not humans.

    Of the forms which infect and sicken humans (four out of five of the known Ebola species), none of them was present outside a BSL-4 lab prior to the most recent outbreak.

    You still seem determined to find a mountain somewhere in what didn't even turn out to be molehill.

    There are enough dead Africans to build a sizeable pile of corpses (over 10,000). Some molehill. They are still dying of Ebola over there.

  • Are Hillary’s Supporters Stupid?

    04/13/2015 4:18:30 AM PDT · 60 of 61
    Smokin' Joe to walford
    I think there are a lot of envious and angry women watching the entire power b*tch meme in the media and dreaming of being Hillary. Just as they get their kicks vicariously from watching teevee, they get their feelings of power from watching cankles, and dreaming they could wield that.

    When they view themselves as coming out on top, regardless of the rules in their fantasy, they identify with a woman who is utterly ruthless, given the chance.

    Yeah, they'll vote for her in droves.

  • Punishing 'climate change deniers'

    04/13/2015 4:12:01 AM PDT · 9 of 42
    Smokin' Joe to Sherman Logan

    One of the best arguments involves looking at the temperature graphs for the past 640,000 years and realizing the cycle has gone from ice age to warm period and back all those other times with nary an SUV or coal-fired power plant. If these things occurred in nature before without significant human intervention before, it stands to reason that we are not the driving force in the equation.

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/13/2015 3:56:29 AM PDT · 30 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to caww

    Thanks. In all fairness, lots of other FReepers found the articles, I just posted the links.

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/13/2015 3:01:00 AM PDT · 28 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    Why are you working so hard to justify such silliness as we saw on these threads?

    Because some day, some complacent bastard will succeed in getting most of us killed.

    Many of us were not saying it was anything like TEOTWAWKI, but let's not be idiots about a disease with what had been a 90% (known) kill rate, with more unknowns than solid knowledge.

    Yes, I compiled a hell of a lot of links to stories about the disease, and this particular outbreak. That doesn't mean I agree with every post, nor every article.

    Hell, I did not have time to read them all because I was working 14 hour days in the midst of the highest media traffic on the event.

    I just wanted to chronicle the progress of the outbreak which was growing in size and scope and let people make up their own minds as to their personal risk.

    If you lived in the middle of a neighborhood where no one had been to Africa in the past year, your risk was pretty low, compared to a health care worker in a hospital ER where people just in from overseas were common.

    There are too many variables to assess risk for everyone, so let them do it for themselves.

    As for being imported, the known human cases of Ebola Zaire or variants in the US prior to the outbreak were zero. None. Not one. Americans were, as a population, unexposed to the pathogen. No way to assess outcome, except to go by what little was known, and those were very high mortality rates, indeed.

    After one person came in with the disease, and several others (not all Americans) were brought in for treatment, I believe the final number was eight, one died, seven recovered. The airplanes rigged for isolation were making trips after the lid was clamped down on stories about the disease (which persists in Africa). That was the purpose of Obama's Ebola Tsar--to spike stories about the outbreak in the US.

    Now, if you want to trust the government to tell you the truth about things, that's up to you. Frankly, I trust the government to lie to me, even when it isn't necessary.

  • If you went back in time 1000 years...

    04/13/2015 2:38:51 AM PDT · 191 of 222
    Smokin' Joe to Nuc 1.1
    How would I compress it?

    Very carefully. Acetylene is dissolved in acetone in a ceramic sponge under pressure. Get just the gas at too high a pressure and it will reconfigure its structure with a sudden release of heat and likely destroy your workshop.

  • If you went back in time 1000 years...

    04/12/2015 7:48:01 PM PDT · 125 of 222
    Smokin' Joe to DBrow
    First you’d have to explain that disease comes from tiny invisible creatures and not as a punishment from a deity.

    Nope. Just say your grand father did this, and fewer people got sick/infected, whatever. You could even say it drove away the vile humors.

  • If you went back in time 1000 years...

    04/12/2015 7:43:50 PM PDT · 120 of 222
    Smokin' Joe to Leaning Right
    You cannot go back in time and discover it in 1015. Every attempt you make to discover it in 1015 must fail.

    Meh. Perhaps not fail, but become another 'lost' art...

    For all we know, penicillin has been used many times before, but the knowledge of it failed to survive the ages.

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/12/2015 7:31:09 PM PDT · 23 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    If the disease came across a border, that makes it imported, just the same as if you had brought in a chocolate bar.

    As for hysteria, you are looking back with the following developments since the beginning of the outbreak:

    A far better understanding of the method of transmission of the disease.

    Although it was touted as being transferred by "bodily fluids", at the time that was a buzzword for sexual contact. While that is one way, obviously it is not the only way, and sexual contact was not necessary. Ironically, new cases are springing up in Africa because of sexual contact and the survival of the virus in semen for 60+ days even after the patient tests otherwise ebola free.

    We have found out that the disease can be transferred by fomites, although there are apparently serious limitations on the effectiveness of that method of transmission. Those limits were unknown at that time.

    Treatments developed include drugs, serum based treatments from blood donations from survivors, and even a vaccine.

    Geeez, diptheria isn't so scary now, but tell someone that in 1905 and they'd consider you a nut.

    There has been a great deal of progress made in treatment and prevention of the disease, which simply was not there, and that progress has been made on the back of learning more about the disease, an area in which we have made great strides. The initial mortality rate during the outbreak was pushing 70+%, but has been reduced by those new treatments to below 40%. Still pretty deadly when you consider the Spanish (1918) Flu only killed 2.5% of those infected, but less than originally anticipated (if the numbers are correct).

    The screaming crazies and the hysterics were wrong, and they were sure nasty at everyone who has proven to have been right.

    I'd be damned grateful that people you describe as "screaming crazies and hysterics" were wrong. I have little doubt they are greatly relieved this did not turn into a Civilization ending event.

    I'd be thanking The Almighty that so much progress was made in fighting the disease, and that fewer died, rather than engaging in the anthropocentric hubris of "I told you so". Erring toward caution with something deadly seldom proves fatal, and next time those you describe as "hysterics" just might be right.

    ...but I can show you the estimates on the threads here of tens of millions, of half of our population, and even up to 75% of the entire human race.

    I have little doubt those are with global travel completely unrestricted and no medical intervention, but by all means, provide a link.

  • Christians to Gays: We'll Accept Your Business and Donate Your Money to 'Traditional Pro-Family Lobb

    04/12/2015 7:07:14 PM PDT · 230 of 268
    Smokin' Joe to Olog-hai
    Their own money would be donated to causes contrary to their own. That is what would be turned against them.

    As for the rest, making The Almighty's Word on the matter part of the wedding caterer's uniforms and putting in the fine print that those uniforms were a part of the required dress for the service providers would make the terms and conditions of the service something the homosexuals could accept or decline, but a standard part of the service rendered.

    I see little likely objection to that by Christians, but the homosexuals might not like it.

    As long as it is standard business practice, it is part of the way your business does things, and if the homosexuals decline those terms you don't have to serve them. Period. It becomes a question of contracts, not religion, although religion is involved in the homosexuals decision to decline using the service.

    Me, I'm looking for another way to fight this even in courts which are sympathetic to the homosexuals which makes the courts have to deny the most fundamental business arrangements or rule in favor of Christians who will not supply the service. This isn't wavering, it is just another way to fight.

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/12/2015 6:51:28 PM PDT · 21 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    Prior to this outbreak the total number of cases in the US was zero. There were a few brought in under controlled conditions (imported, nonetheless). One case occurred here in the wild (brought from Liberia) who gave the disease to two others.

    Since the origin of the pathogens was outside the US, I'd call that "imported".

    YMMV.

  • Ending the Ebola Outbreak

    04/12/2015 6:48:16 PM PDT · 8 of 11
    Smokin' Joe to arthurus
    I agree with your mathematical analysis. Perhaps the expression n*10^(-1) was lost on those folks.

    The 'X times less' bit has been going on about a year now, when they could just express their intended reduction as a percentage of the previous number or a simple fraction of a previous value. With a mathematically dumbed-down population, who's to know, beside those of us who work with numbers every day?

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/12/2015 5:16:21 PM PDT · 16 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to TomGuy
    And the taxpayers get to pay for the massive screw-up.

    As Government screw-ups go, this one is miniscule.

    Just look at the 'Great Society', for one which is huge, ongoing, and seemingly boundless in potential to expand further. (Of course, as Margaret Thatcher said, "The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people's money".)

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

    04/12/2015 5:11:56 PM PDT · 15 of 44
    Smokin' Joe to ansel12
    The hysteria even infected the feds, and they were accused of not being hysterical enough, by some.

    It is a question of how that concern was applied. Keeping the disease in Africa made perfect sense.

    For some of us, it made no sense to send troops and aid there to combat a disease which crossed our borders (and was even imported) with only the sound of either crickets or hollow assurances all was in control. A mere 100 cases would have overwhelmed the BSL-4 bed space in the US by a factor of 4+.

    In the meantime, we import other diseases with a devil-may-care immigration policy and distribute them throughout the US.

  • Ending the Ebola Outbreak

    04/12/2015 5:05:38 PM PDT · 4 of 11
    Smokin' Joe to Ruy Dias de Bivar
    We will pat ourselves on the back that we have “whipped” Ebola. Then it will be back with a vengeance.

    Entirely possible. New cases have surfaced because the virus endures in the semen of those who have recovered, long after they are 'well' (60+ days).

    We are forced to rely on such statistics as are made available, too, and with aid funding and supplies declining, there remains strong economic incentive to be proclaimed Ebola-free.

  • Christians to Gays: We'll Accept Your Business and Donate Your Money to 'Traditional Pro-Family Lobb

    04/12/2015 5:03:03 PM PDT · 224 of 268
    Smokin' Joe to GSWarrior
    Good idea except the gay cake mafia isn’t interested in procuring services from Christian business owners. They want to stop you and me and everyone else from patronizing such businesses.

    Not so much stop us from patronizing the businesses as shut down any Christian who refuses to serve them. It is a control thing.

    The best way, in this judicial environment, is to provide them their cake, but to wear uniforms which reflect the Christian ethos of the bakery or other business.

    Just make sure that the contract includes in 'terms and conditions' that your employees will be wearing their company livery and are required to do so as one of the terms of providing service.

    If that is written in, either the customer accepts the terms and conditions of service or no deal.

    You can put a lot in the fine print which will make those with hostile intent take pause about engaging your services, and which will lay the groundwork to recover any damages which may occur from malice or negligence on the part of your client or their guests.

  • Christians to Gays: We'll Accept Your Business and Donate Your Money to 'Traditional Pro-Family Lobb

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    All for the mammon of unrighteousness to fund lobbies? Is that how the apostles did it?

    In the rare instances where such mammon would be forthcoming, turn it against them. Otherwise, "killing them with kindness" is a viable approach--and it is obvious that the courts are not going to provide Christian business owners any relief from the Homosexual jihad.

  • Empty Ebola Clinics in Liberia Are Seen as Misstep in U.S. Relief Effort

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  • Ending the Ebola Outbreak

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