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  • For Advent: Why Don’t Catholics Read the Bible? (They Do!)

    12/18/2014 5:11:09 PM PST · 4 of 19
    SpirituTuo to Salvation

    In Catholic schools, it was hit or miss, mostly because of the times, and my particular diocese. I remember in 10th grade we read much of the Old Testament, like Ruth, Esther, and Judges. Of course, around Christmas, we read the Gospel accounts. And somewhere, we read the differing Creation stories. Of course, during Lent we read the accounts of the Passion.

    I agree that I am not a chapter and verse guy. I also admit I should know a heck of a lot more. Fortunately, I have a pretty good textual concordance, and the Haydock Bible (which has excellent commentary).

  • Freeper Arrowhead1952 needs prayers

    12/18/2014 4:25:16 AM PST · 379 of 392
    SpirituTuo to Kathy in Alaska

    All of theses are very good signs! Walking 70 feet is a huge accomplishment!!!

    His speech is likely weak because he is working so hard physically.

    All in all, great job!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 2:37:40 PM PST · 1,106 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    Your clearly have a reading comprehension problem.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 2:14:33 PM PST · 1,095 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    Please post the Greek for review. Thanks!

    A lot of this echo chamber amongst some anti-Catholic folks, as opposed to people of good will who just disagree, has no authority to validate their beliefs.

    While many make bold statements (not on this thread) that the Holy Bible or the Holy Spirit is the only authority for them, those statements, while generally true, don’t seem to hold up in execution. Rather, it is the opinion of many different men and women, as to what the Holy Spirit and the Holy Bible are telling them. Thus there is confusion among the myriad of denominations of Protestants.

    The Holy Catholic Church teaches with the authority of Jesus Christ, handed down in direct lineage from the Apostles (Matthew 16:18). Until the Reformation, the Church battled any number of heretics, from Arians, Monatists, etc. When the Reformation rolled around, a more organized opposition appeared. However, Protestantism quickly fell into division, as they argued amongst themselves (Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, etc.).

    Throughout this time, the Holy Catholic Church continued to preach the Gospel, feed the poor, care for the sick, clothe the naked and visit the imprisoned. It continued to teach what the Apostles had taught. When questions arose, they were answered, in many cases, with the final human authority, Pope, publicly declaring a decision.

    As we have witnessed since the 16th century, there has been no end of mud slung against the Catholic Church, and amongst fellow Protestants. It is a sad state of affairs when people who all claim to follow Jesus Christ attack each other.

    Are the humans who populate the Catholic Church sinless? HAH! Hardly! There are at least as many liars, adulterers, hypocrites, etc as any other Christian denomination. However, the fullness of God’s truth continues to be preached and lived, despite the imperfection of its adherents.

    This will be my final comment on this thread. Sadly, like others before, ultimately devolve into petty argument.

    May God bless you all, enliven your hearts and souls, encourage love for one another, and prepare you for Christmas.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 1:51:36 PM PST · 1,088 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    How was this thread started again? The article was an anti-Catholic piece. So perhaps you may want to reconsider your statement.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 1:50:30 PM PST · 1,087 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ealgeone

    It is a violation of canon law to sell blessed objects.

    Try again.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 1:49:19 PM PST · 1,086 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to caww; CynicalBear

    You seem to have a problem with everything the Church does to support its charity work. Is it envy at how little you and your Church does? I don’t know.

    Neither of you have answered the question as to what work your churches do for the poor, sick, imprisoned, homeless, and uneducated. My assumption is not that much, in comparison.

    The Statue of Laocoon is a treasured piece of art that is from around 27BC to 62 AD. So what? How else is it going to pay for the conservation of some of the world’s finest art which was donated over the centuries and protected from invading hordes? People from all over the world view the extensive collection and want souvenirs of their visit.

    Regardless, you do nothing but badmouth the Church. Why? I don’t seem to think it is for any positive purpose but to inflate your egos. It may be worth asking yourself, who founded your Church and why do you choose to worship there? Additionally, why do you spend so much time being critical of other Christians? Are you doing it out of love?

    I will ask you to contemplate 2 Timothy 2:24. Really pray about it. Ask God to touch your heart.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 12:13:23 PM PST · 1,059 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to caww

    Please show me where the Vatican is making statues. Show me a line item in a balance sheet where the sale of Vatican-made statues is.

    You are confusing the vast sums going out to charities around the world with what you think is coming in. Do tell, in how many countries does your denomination have schools, hospitals, orphanages, hospices, and other social services? Please also tell me about relief services your church offers.

    Do companies make religious items. Sure. They charge cost plus to stay in business. Do some individual parishes offer books and other religious items in a small store? Yes.

    Now, many individual churches, as well denominations, do the same thing. Consider any mega church with its coffee bar, mini-mall, tape and cd selection, and other retail items.

    While you continue to be off base about your oft-repeated and scurrilous charge of idol worship, you are now farther afield with your idol-selling scheme.

  • [Supreme] Court: Traffic stop OK despite mistake of law (Roberts v. Fourth Amendment 8-1)

    12/16/2014 8:57:56 AM PST · 55 of 94
    SpirituTuo to KarlInOhio

    You are absolutely right! Why should a police officer search your car for an equipment malfunction? There is no probable cause, just an overreach of presumed authority.

    When asked to search, “Respectfully officer, I do not give consent to search.”

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 8:46:15 AM PST · 1,035 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    You don’t answer the question. It is one thing for a person to have a different opinion. It is something all together different to be rude and offensive.

    As this has been a very long thread, allow me to remind you of the premise. The premise was an article which incorrectly attempted to “prove” Catholic doctrine and dogma related the Blessed Mother are unbiblical.

    While that certainly is a valid topic of discussion, which honest people can hold different opinions, what I have observed is the venom, hostility, and insults from certain people. What makes them worse is cloaking this behavior in the excuse of “protecting” the Bible, or asserting some moral high ground.

    Perhaps instead of assuming one’s opinions of another’s religion are facts, one should endeavor to actually learn from the primary source. Unfortunately, many non-Catholic commentators only study the often-flawed opinion of others, and never actually read what the Church teaches.

    Let us use our intellects honestly. Let us endeavor to understand with honesty. Let us remain steadfast in the truth, and encourage one another. Should one disagree with another, do so with patience and kindness.

    Somewhere in this country we have lost the ability to disagree without being disagreeable.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/16/2014 5:37:26 AM PST · 949 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    Why are you so rude and insulting? Is that how you feel good about yourself? Sad, really.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 6:21:20 PM PST · 767 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ealgeone

    In this case, the English word “secret” means private. Any visions had by any saint, are referred to as private revelation, and are neither sanctioned nor required for belief. There are very, very, few officially sanctioned apparitions, such as Lourdes and Fatima. Rather, private revelations, provided they aren’t contrary to Gospel, are neither promoted nor suppressed.

    Specific to St. Louis de Monfort, his understanding of Mary, and his writings, seem rather extreme. Having read some of his complete works, I was put off until I re-read them, and really thought about what he was saying. As a 17th century French priest, I didn’t care for his style of writing, and again, found it off-putting. History tells us his zeal for preaching and serving the poor was equal to his quick temper and being less than a “people person” to those not in need.

    Regarding his work, the Secret of Mary, he was attempting to explain (in a stylistically peculiar way for modern people) the role of Mary relative to Jesus. Typical for his time and place, he was taught and believed in showing great respect for angels, especially Guardian Angels.

    This connection to the realm behind the veil, influenced his thinking and writing. He observed the spiritual role of Mary, and wrote about it, giving his view of why she is so important to our prayer lives. He writes about imitating Mary as the first disciple, and as one who never, ever, questioned the divinity of Jesus, while staying with him throughout his passion.

    As I mentioned in a previous post, the first requirement is to understand that all prayer, worship, is for the glory of God, and for our only saviour, Jesus Christ.

    What St. Louis is calling us to do is have the same faith as Mary, the same dedication, and the absolute trust. Mary always, always, points to Jesus. The Gospel of John quotes her as telling the wedding stewards of Jesus, “whatever he says, do it.” That is perfect trust and belief. That is the discovery St. Louis is speaking of, to know Mary means to have the perfect trust and belief.

    While I really understand why you interpret the work as you do, and it is reasonable you do so, please recognize there is a lot more meaning than what you may think.

    Finally, St. Louis always indicates, and assumes the reader knows and understands, the unquestionable primacy of God. That is why he mentions it once or twice, instead of every section.

    Many Catholics haven’t read his works, for the reasons I mentioned above, including having the patience. However, if taken in the spirit in which it was written, to give people a way to grow closer to Jesus, than it is not likely to be understood as blasphemy, as he would dare not mean such.

  • Urgent prayer request needed for my father in ICU

    12/15/2014 5:46:44 PM PST · 47 of 92
    SpirituTuo to DCBryan1

    Prayers for you and your family! Sounds like things are working as well as be expected. You have medical reasons for hope, but of course, you have the greatest reason to hope, Jesus Christ!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 2:13:05 PM PST · 587 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ealgeone

    So why do you and others regularly post statements and complaints about the Roman Catholic Church? Why do you persist in misrepresenting its teachings?

    In short, why do you care? There are any number of Protestant churches, each with their own brand of Christianity. It could be a “high and holy” Anglican, a mega-church with a climbing wall and rock band, a home church, you name it.

    Why not spend your time and energy focused upon the Glory of God? Why waste your time criticizing something you don’t believe? Instead, especially as we prepare for the Nativity of Our Lord, give alms, fast, and repent. Wouldn’t that serve Our Lord more?

    Merry Christmas!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 2:03:40 PM PST · 579 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ealgeone

    While you searched, it appeared you came up with “damning evidence.” In reality, you missed the most important sentence: “In other words, we must become an instrument in Mary’s hands for her to act in us and do with us what she pleases, for the greater glory of her Son; and through Jesus for the greater glory of the Father.”

    Any believer can go before Holy Trinity, no questions asked. However, St. Louis is demonstrating Mary is an excellent model, as she was the first to recognize Jesus as the Messiah (at the Annunciation), and the only believer to be with him until the end. That is a pretty darn good example.

    Regarding “To Thee do We Cry,” the next sentence, which you chose not to quote is really important. So, here it is for you (page 112 in my version, freely available from Google):

    Meaning, that we more easily find salvation by having recourse to the Mother than by going to the Son — not as if Mary was more powerful than her Son to save us, for we know that Jesus Christ is our only Saviour, and in that He alone by his merits has obtained and obtains salvation for us ; but it is for this reason : that when we have recourse to Jesus, we consider Him at the same time as our Judge, to whom it belongs also to chastise ungrateful souls, and therefore the confidence necessary to be heard may fail us ; but when we go to Mary, who has no other office than to compassionate as as Mother- of mercy, and to defend us as our advocate, our confidence is more easily established, and is often greater.”

    What St. Alphonso is trying to teach, is how people perceive and relate to the Blessed Mother. He quotes several saints, and some people whom I don’t recognize. However, please read above: not as if Mary was more powerful than her Son to save us, for we know that Jesus Christ is our only Saviour, and in that He alone by his merits has obtained and obtains salvation for us;

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 1:33:45 PM PST · 562 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to BipolarBob

    I do, and I call him Father.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 1:29:10 PM PST · 559 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to metmom

    Nice dodge. Utter depravity, eternal security, and other novel beliefs confuse those who believe them.

    All on Earth are sinners, not angels. All in Heaven have been found worthy by the Father. If a person on Earth is alive in Christ, is not a soul in Heaven also alive in Christ?

    If both are alive in Christ (the spiritual body of Christ), then intercessory prayers of those alive in Christ in Heaven are efficacious. So, thanks for making my point for me.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 1:24:52 PM PST · 554 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    Apologies, it was Romans 3:28, where he added the word “alone.”

    Secondly, the entire “Luther Bible,” was a translation from the New Testament from ancient Greek into German. He used Erasmus’ second edition (1519) of the Greek New Testament, known as the Textus Receptus. Luther did not translate from the Latin Vulgate translation, which is the Latin translation officially used by the Roman Catholic Church.

    Further, his translation was designed for easy understanding in the then contemporary German. One can be critical of this translation, as it lacks precision, and allows for meanings to be shaded. Further, Luther wanted the ENTIRE book of James removed. You may want to look up what Luther wrote about the book of James.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 1:09:57 PM PST · 544 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    Um, what shall I call my male parent?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 1:09:00 PM PST · 543 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    Why do you and others insist on posting inaccurate information about the teachings of the Church, and then follow up with absurd statements?

    Clearly you are not Catholic, nor do you wish to be. That said, your statements clearly indicate your understanding of Catholicism, and its Biblical nature are lacking.

    There are others like you who regularly spout such insults as “Catholics worship brazen images.” While that may be your opinion of what you are seeing, it doesn’t make it true.

    Repeatedly, as in the case you responded to, a recognized, and “Church Approved” (nihil obstat) was given. This was to clarify what you THINK the Church teaches, and what it actually teaches. Disagree all you like with the teachings of the Church, just don’t misrepresent them.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 1:04:06 PM PST · 542 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    Do you even know what that picture represents? Do you know what the either the context or circumstances of that picture are? If you did, you would realize it has nothing to do with your statement.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 12:58:43 PM PST · 540 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to xone

    Well, you clearly believe those in Heaven are not a part of the mystical body of Christ.

    Maybe you should consider the following passage from Revelation (5:8-14). Again from Tim Staples:

    The Book of Revelation gives us an even better description of this communication between heaven and earth:

    The twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints … the elders fell down and worshipped (5:8-14).

    These “elders” are offering the prayers of the faithful symbolized by incense filtering upward from the earth to heaven. And because they are seen receiving these prayers, we can reasonably conclude they were both directed to these saints in heaven and that they were initiated by the faithful living on earth. We also see this same phenomenon being performed by the angels in Revelation 8:3-4:

    And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.

    The bottom line is this: Both the faithful on earth and our brothers and sisters in heaven (and let’s not forget our “cousins,” the angels) are all acting just as Catholics would expect. Believers on earth are initiating prayers which the saints and angels in heaven are receiving. Is this the necromancy condemned in Deuteronomy and Isaiah? Absolutely not! This is New Testament Christianity.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 8:27:33 AM PST · 413 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ShadowAce

    Of course I do. Care to refute it?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 8:23:11 AM PST · 410 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to RoosterRedux

    Perhaps you refuse the ancient and unchanging teaching of the Church and the successors of the Apostles to suit yourself.

    Their teachings were from the original texts, and those who have followed, built on what was revealed originally.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 8:21:09 AM PST · 407 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ShadowAce

    Douay Rheims is the accepted English translation. Wycliff wasn’t necessary, nor did he have well over 50 years and numerous scholars working on it.

    He, like Luther, were not supervised, and not entitled to write their own versions. This is very consistent with a number of bibles in France, at that time, that were written in “simpler” language, that confused the teachings of the Church.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 8:14:55 AM PST · 405 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ealgeone

    The Book of James was altered. But isn’t it enough that Luther would remove books entirely so others couldn’t read them? Besides, how many people in 420 until Gutenberg could actually read and write?

    Latin was the lingua franca of Jerome’s time, and continues to be the language of law and medicine. Latin is still used today to describe many religious tenets, as are words that are specifically Greek.

    English is wholly lacking, as it is a mongrel language, full of contradiction, idiom, and is imprecise.

    A bible in Latin provided access to the entire world, the entire canon, in one language, instead of requiring people to learn many, and in the future, unspoken languages.

    It wasn’t translated to deny anyone, rather to enable everyone of the time.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 8:07:24 AM PST · 398 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ShadowAce

    One does so for the same reason one asks their own mother to pray for them, or their congregation.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 8:05:51 AM PST · 396 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    Please look up what a graven image is. People bow to each other all over the world, such as in Japan, and to monarchs, in their own countries. It is a symbol of respect.

    If you had a photograph of the Mother of God, how would you treat it? A religious statute brings to mind the glory of God, teachings about the glory of God, and an example of how to follow God.

    A graven image would be an idol, held equal to God. To bow before it would be a violation of the first commandment, which as I warned you before, to assert Catholics are violating it is false, and your promotion of the falsehood could be interpreted as a violation of the commandment to not bear false witness.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 8:00:56 AM PST · 391 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to RoosterRedux

    Please enjoy this more thorough explanation by Tim Staples

    Here are a few highlights:

    Scripture’s statement that Joseph “knew [Mary] not until she brought forth her firstborn” would not necessarily mean they did “know” each other after she brought forth Jesus. Until is often used in Scripture as part of an idiomatic expression similar to our own usage in English. I may say to you, “Until we meet again, God bless you.” Does that necessarily mean after we meet again, God curse you? By no means. A phrase like this is used to emphasize what is being described before the until is fulfilled. It is not intended to say anything about the future beyond that point. Here are some biblical examples:

    2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to (until) the day of her death. (Does this mean she had children after she died?)
    1 Timothy 4:13: Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes?)
    1 Corinthians 15:25: For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (Does this mean Christ’s reign will end? By no means! Luke 1:33 says, “he will reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”)

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:56:49 AM PST · 389 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ShadowAce

    No one said one is REQUIRED to use intercessory prayer. On the contrary, in my previous post, you will find I said one can pray directly to any of the three Persons of the Trinity. We do so in the Our Father.

    Second, reiterating above, intercessory prayer isn’t required. However, we ask our fellow man for intercessory prayer. Why? Because we seek and give spiritual support to our neighbors. We are showing them true charity (Caritas, or Agape).

    Was Paul’s teaching only valid for the time, place, and people it was written to? No, nor was any epistle. Rather, they provide constant teaching to men everywhere, and for all time, as it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:50:35 AM PST · 383 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    You don’t seem to understand. Jerome took the different texts, in different languages, and put them in one language, Latin, which was the accepted scholarly language of the time. Jerome was known to have an incredible grasp of Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, as well as other languages of the time (which we consider ancient).

    Further, as the Church continued to translate the Bible into different languages, not only was the Jerusalem Bible used, but also the original language texts.

    No one claims the Bible was written in Latin. Nor does anyone claim the original languages aren’t or haven’t been used since Jerome.

    Rather, Jerome’s translation was so good, that scholars today use it when studying the Bible, in addition to original language texts.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:45:05 AM PST · 378 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    I am absolutely denying it, and stating for the umpteenth time that Catholics do not “bow down to graven images,” and all that connotes.

    Please read the following, approved, teaching on this.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:42:09 AM PST · 373 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    Different argument for a different time. I will leave it with this. The use of until in Bible, is found to have more than one grammatical meaning. It is not limited to how we use it in modern English.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:40:39 AM PST · 371 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    Every Catholic belief is fully supported in the Holy Bible. That would be the unaltered Holy Bible, not the one Luther used post 1534.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:39:34 AM PST · 370 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ShadowAce

    What does it say then?

    Fellow citizens and saints with the household of God. The household of God would be Angels, who serve in the presence of God. We, both physically and spiritually alive, are citizens with the angels. That is pretty clear, and I am using the KJV.

    What value is it to be a fellow citizen with angels, whether in flesh or spirit, if we can not aid another?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:35:04 AM PST · 367 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to RoosterRedux

    But you are not addressing the point, which is that words the Church has used to express its beliefs and praise exist outside of the canon.

    As you likely use words outside of the canon to worship God, that doesn’t make you heretical, any more than Catholics using words of praise.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:32:44 AM PST · 363 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ealgeone

    Who removed Canonical texts? I am pretty sure it wasn’t the Catholic Church. Instead, Luther in 1534, decided the Canon needed to be changed. And changed to suit his novel teachings. Those who followed Luther in turning their backs on the church Christ founded, were the ones who were developing novel clarifications.

    The Catholic Church has been clarifying for 2000 years. It is the only continuous Church to be doing so. Our Orthodox brothers have also been doing so for 1000 years. In both cases, people DID speak and read the original languages, and that is how the doctrine and clarifications developed.

    It was renowned linguist, St. Jerome (347-420 AD), who translated the books of the Bible into a single language, Latin. The Jerusalem Bible, as it continues to be known, was THE definitive Bible for centuries. Other translations, in other languages, such as the Douay-Rheims, were not only based upon not only the Jerusalem Bible, but also the original texts as well.

    As mentioned above, it was 1534 years after Jesus that Luther decided, and others followed, to create novel doctrine, based upon a corrupted, and incomplete canon.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:21:21 AM PST · 354 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    We hear a lot from so-called “Christians,” who call their brothers and sisters in Christ “...people who bow down to graven images.”

    Perhaps you should re-consider your statement in light of the commandment to bear no false witness.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:18:49 AM PST · 351 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ShadowAce

    Re-read the post, as well as Ephesians 2:19-21.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:18:05 AM PST · 350 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    Ephesians 2: 19-21, though again, I disagree with your premise that everything must have an explicit chapter and verse.

    Consider again all you and your congregation does in worship. Are the words, phrases, and actions found explicitly in the Bible? I doubt it.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:13:07 AM PST · 347 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to CynicalBear

    No. He gave Mary, who needed salvation, the singular grace of being preserved from original sin. Why? So she would be a pure vessel for the pure God-made-Man.

    Jesus, by virtue of His divine nature was sinless. He didn’t need Mary or her consent. However, God chose to have His only Son come into the world, as man, born of woman.

    As we read about the Annunciation in Luke 1:26-38, we see from the beginning, this is an unusual birth. God is to become man, born of woman. She is a virgin. We are also reminded that nothing is impossible with God.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 7:06:12 AM PST · 339 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    Is the greatness of God and human expression of this greatness only limited to those words in the Canon of Scripture? I think not.

    Do you sing hymns of praise? Are those hymns listed in the Bible, word for word, chapter and verse? Nope.

    Did someone have to teach what the verses of the Bible mean? Of course. No one picks up the Bible and understands it perfectly, and independently. We are all taught interpretation as well as explication and explanation. Why?

    As humans, our current existence and language is different from the languages the original books were written in. We use new and different words to explain the same concept, and in the case of the Catholic Church, the same concepts handed down from the Apostles and disciples.

    Why limit the praises of the Living God? And why limit the understanding of His Highly Favored Lady?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 6:58:46 AM PST · 332 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to ShadowAce

    Why do you deny it? What proof do you have against it? If you ask me for intercessory prayer (which I would gladly give), is it efficacious and why? It is efficacious, because we are part of the Body of Christ. Is the Mother of Jesus Christ part of the Body of Christ? Clearly.

    May we pray to any part of the Triune God, without intercession? Of course! The Our Father is one such prayer.

    However, we do ask others, whether souls on Earth or souls in Heaven, as we are all part of both the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Communion of Saints (Ephesians 2: 19-21).

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 6:46:35 AM PST · 321 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to Elsie

    What is the Bible, but some glommed together, disparate books and letters? You see, the Bible, as a volume, doesn’t exist in the Bible. Rather, the only Scripture that could have been referenced was the Torah. Did St. Peter read Luke’s Gospel, or Revelations? I don’t think so. Did ANY of the New Testament writers read what we call the Bible, as a volume? NO!

    The beliefs of the Apostles and their successors were generally handed down by word of mouth, as well as by the few epistles, until the close of the Canon of Scripture. There are any number of 1st and 2nd century references to Mary, and even the concept of dulia, latria, and hyperdulia.

    Was everything Jesus did recorded in the Bible? Nope. So the argument of something not being Biblical is quite weak.

    Do we know that Jesus perfectly obeyed the Commandments? Yes. Would He perfectly honor His mother? Yes. Are we to imitate Christ? Yes. So, isn’t His mother due great (perfect) honor? If Jesus Christ could, as mandated in the 10 Commandments, honor His mother, while simultaneously honoring God the Father (the 1st Commandment), then it is not impossible for anyone else.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 6:31:40 AM PST · 316 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to .45 Long Colt

    Why bother asking your friends, neighbors, and fellow church goers to pray for you. They are dead in sin, just like the rest of us. At least the Blessed Mother is in Heaven, and as mother of Our Lord Jesus, we should treat her, as He treated her.

    She needed, and was given, salvation. She was also given a singular grace, the grace to be conceived without original sin, so that she could be a pure vessel, a new ark, for Our Lord and Savior, God made man, Jesus Christ.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/15/2014 6:24:50 AM PST · 310 of 1,980
    SpirituTuo to spacejunkie2001

    Do souls die? Do souls in Heaven sit on clouds? No! Souls in Heaven worship God, and entreat Him on the behalf of others. We are many parts, but we are all one body. Whether souls on Earth or in Heaven, as children of the living God, we petition Our Lord constantly, on behalf of others. If we just die, and get planted in the ground, what happens to our souls until the 2nd coming? In your view, which isn’t Biblical, Heaven is a meaningless existence.

  • Black figures hanged in effigy on UC Berkeley campus

    12/14/2014 5:28:31 AM PST · 27 of 41
    SpirituTuo to Huntress

    These authors, sheesh. Only the ambulance folks know his last words, and he wasn’t choked to death.

    Repeat a lie often enough...

  • Catholic "Women Priests": Can There Be a Discussion? (No - here's why)

    12/12/2014 4:20:13 PM PST · 39 of 65
    SpirituTuo to piusv

    Well, I kind of count them as Catholic. Sure, its not accurate, but close enough for this discussion.

  • Catholic "Women Priests": Can There Be a Discussion? (No - here's why)

    12/12/2014 3:26:45 PM PST · 34 of 65
    SpirituTuo to Alex Murphy

    Do non-Catholic denominations, except for Anglicans even have priests? I know many have ministers, but know of no other Christian sect that has people with the title of “priest.”