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Posts by Steelfish

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  • Dems Threaten To Block Action On Homeland-Immigration Bill [Schumer: They Like ISIS More!]

    01/29/2015 8:41:08 PM PST · 1 of 19
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  • Communist Party USA Chairman Vows Cooperation With Democratic Party

    01/29/2015 7:43:38 PM PST · 1 of 16
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  • Texas Lawmaker Under Fire For Facebook Post On Muslim Capitol Day

  • Resist the Lynch Nomination [National Review Editorial Board Demands NO Vote On Lynch]

    01/29/2015 7:02:28 PM PST · 1 of 15
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  • Texas Lawmaker Under Fire For Facebook Post On Muslim Capitol Day

    01/29/2015 5:46:47 PM PST · 5 of 29
    Steelfish to Lazamataz

    Well said!

  • Texas Lawmaker Under Fire For Facebook Post On Muslim Capitol Day

    01/29/2015 5:39:44 PM PST · 1 of 29
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  • Grit And Gratitude Join Reading, Writing And Arithmetic On Report Cards [Common Core?]

    01/28/2015 8:47:52 PM PST · 9 of 15
    Steelfish to GeronL

    Very perspicacious.

  • 1 In 5 American Kids Rely On Food Stamps

    01/28/2015 8:19:07 PM PST · 9 of 27
    Steelfish to Mears

    Because?

  • Senator to AG Nominee Loretta Lynch: 'You're Not Eric Holder, Are You?'

    01/28/2015 8:18:20 PM PST · 1 of 22
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  • Grit And Gratitude Join Reading, Writing And Arithmetic On Report Cards [Common Core?]

    01/28/2015 8:12:27 PM PST · 1 of 15
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  • 1 In 5 American Kids Rely On Food Stamps

    01/28/2015 8:03:20 PM PST · 1 of 27
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  • Cause of St Thérèse of Lisieux’s Sister is Opened

    01/28/2015 7:18:53 PM PST · 2 of 6
    Steelfish to marshmallow

    Thanks. Great post.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/28/2015 6:43:36 PM PST · 202 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    Perhaps, I’ll try explaining in a paragraph or so why I don’t read your stuff. This is simply riposte to the very fact that you attempt to revive it. Your posts show that you, like nearly all Bible Christians, are more comfortable engaging in the shallow end of the theology pool.

    When taken to the deep end you drown. When presented with a writing of St. Irenaeus your best shot is to make reference to a drive-by curbside blogger. This is the embarrassing level of your response. It’s called “random internet pickings” for those to whom the works of great theologians are completely foreign and beyond their ken. When asked if you would agree that Christ taught one single truth your preposterous answer is “yes, but” thus allowing you to sneak in multiple interpretations that of course defeats the “yes” part of the answer. Clearly, you have shown you don’t have a basic foundational grasp of scriptural history and theological traditions even as a foundational basis for rational exchange. At minimum this can be only acquired by doing some serious 101-readings by theologians whose works are studied in major universities.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/27/2015 10:19:31 PM PST · 194 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    I don’t read your stuff anymore. These are very neophyte and sophomoric exercises of yours in internet theology. First try reading the “greats” like Augustine Aquinas, Newman, and Benedict XVI rather than referring to street bloggers on the works of St. Irenaeus. If this goes over your head, at last make a half decent attempt to read up on the pre-eminent Lutheran and Episcopalian converts to Catholicism who have devoted a lifetime to the study and teaching of Christology and have since debunked and decamped from the nonsense you still keep repeating.

  • Reality Check on Huckabee

    01/27/2015 9:01:49 PM PST · 1 of 15
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  • Mike Huckabee Complains of ‘Trashy’ Women at Fox News

    01/27/2015 7:41:48 PM PST · 1 of 189
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  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/27/2015 7:33:14 PM PST · 191 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    I prefer Irenaeus in his own words, not what curbside bloggers and internet cut-and-paste technicians think. Can’t have time to be drawn into this sophomoric stuff of Bible-folks who have never bothered to read Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, and Benedict who by the way are not bloggers but whose works are studied in yes, major universities. Oh, I know their scholarship don’t matter. We are all in a fog of chaos stranded on interstate highways. (sarc.)

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/27/2015 6:31:14 PM PST · 189 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    Let’s summarize.

    First, you try to get away from the one truth by comparing it to traffic n the highway. If this is the case why engage on this inquiry? This is not simply a debate or about avoiding accidents. It’s about the truth of eternal life.

    Second, having first asked for relevance of oral tradition, when inundated with such proof of what the early Church writers wrote, you reply simplistically that one cannot evaluate the arguments of theologians because if one is not “personally qualified to interpret Scripture -— how then could you interpret the theology of others, other than only on the most shallow levels.” This argument self-destructs. So if one cannot read the early Greek texts and be a theologian himself, he cannot accept the theological scholarship of others. In short only theologians are qualified to comment on theology. But you miss the point here. Just as you trust your auto mechanic to tell you what’s wrong with your car, we can place confidence in the theologians of yesteryear and today. This trust of course could be a blind trust or it could also be based on the references you receive on the mechanic for his/her experience, expertise, and acceptance by those who have examined his work.

    Third, when presented with the works of Catholic scholars whose thinking is the stuff of major colleges and universities and whose books are standard offerings in theological departments, the simplistically naive answer is that because there are libraries of such books this contradicts Petrine authority. Never mind the books present different angles and types of scholarship of Petrine proof which is what theologians do. But apparently, Bible-Christians look for one piece of paper. In short, less scholarship is proof of Petrine authority, more disproves it.

    Fourth, it does not seem to matter that preeminent Anglican, Protestant, Lutheran, and Episcopalians who having spent a lifetime of theological study study have converted to Catholicism. No problem you say since this is part of the “chaos” of the nation’s freeways. But this is exactly the kind of chaos these theologians want to avoid and find the one true path to eternal life.

    Fifth, when asked to agree that Christ taught one truth, the absurd answer is a “yes, but” response with nonsensical references to disagreement among “early patristic witness, those individuals didn’t not always agree on each and every thing.” Duh! Even the Gospel writers provide different accounts of various aspects of the Life of Christ. The disagreements are indeed essential. since it helps to distill not only what is true and what is untrue but also how the faith must be communicated as one truth.

    Sixth, you haven’t provided a single refutation, not one to the empirical date offered in the posts about Petrine authority. Instead, you cavalierly dismiss the works of scores of theologians breezily asserting “as for the texts themselves, albeit there were indeed many pretenders, and spurious writings of various sort, what was eventually settled upon was nothing more (and nothing less) than what had come to the various and widespread ekklesia from actual Apostolic sources.” I must suspect this is a careless piece of cut and paste since its not sourced at all but simply a conclusory statement.

    Seventh, it appears that historical proof and belief is something foreign to Bible Christians. You find “Petrine authority” which is alluded to belong singularly to ‘Rome’ as it were, to be entirely tedious.

    “Entirely tedious”? Go tell this to St. Iranaeus:

    “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).

    Yes, there is no expiry date on Petrine authority.

    With this post I must reluctantly conclude that rational exchange in surveying the truth by reference to deep theological waters is not possible. Oh, and by the way why persist in supplying you with a response when one is not a theologian!!! That would be a sheer waste of time and ink, wouldn’t it?

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/26/2015 11:04:47 PM PST · 184 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    First, if we all claim to interpret “Scripture” then we descend into chaos which each of us “authoritatively” claiming to interpret scripture. In fact this is evident by the exchange of posts on this thread.

    You must admit that Christ taught one truth. This is another way of saying, one interpretation. Precisely, for this reason, we have the scriptural support for one Church extended exclusively to Peter and his successors. Well, the NT canon was established by the early Church fathers.

    Now of course there are volumes of books on this subject enough to fill shelves of university libraries. But simply referring you to them would be not be enough.

    Every theologian will agree that the compilation of the New Testament was an inspired and highly complex process.

    It can, however, by summarized relatively simply as follows.

    Various Christians wrote books explaining the history of the Christian Church (including Gospels about the life of Christ and more general histories such as the Acts of the Apostles) and letters addressed to specific communities and persons (such as the letters of Saint Paul) and also what are best considered to be “open letters” (such as Hebrews). There were hundreds of different documents circulating around, all of them purporting to the authentic Christian teaching and accurate history and doctrine.

    However, many of these documents were not what they claimed to be – they were forgeries not written by the people whose names they bore, or were heretical documents advancing novel notions about Christ. Some of these documents have survived today – examples are the Gospel of Judas and the Gospel of Thomas. Neither of these documents were written by their alleged authors – they are late forgeries designed to cash in on the success and popularity of Christianity.

    Out of all these hundreds of documents – many of them forgeries – the current 27 book New Testament appeared. This process took a long time – roughly 300 years went by from the writing of the last book of the New Testament (Revelation) until the list was finalized.

    The list was compiled by the bishops of the Catholic Church. Initially, local canons were assembled by individual bishops. These canons were lists of books which could be read aloud in Churches at Mass. Despite the fact that these canons were independently assembled they bore a great deal of similarity to each other – because the Catholic bishops were all using the same criteria to determine which books should be included.

    They looked to see if the books were written by an apostle or someone who was reporting the words of an apostle. They checked to see how much the book was being used by other bishops and priests in their Masses, and also looked at how often the book was quoted by the Church Fathers in their writings. Only those books which “scored” favorably on all three of these criteria made it into their canons.

    In the early fourth century Christianity was made the official religion of the Roman Empire and it became possible for the bishops to meet without being imprisoned or killed by the pagan authorities. Beginning in the late fourth century and continuing until the very early fifth century the Catholic Church met at a number of councils where the canon of the Bible was debated. These councils produced canons which were identical to the current 73 book Roman Catholic canon.

    As can clearly be seen the canon of the Bible was produced by the Catholic Church. The Church also existed long before the Bible – it was the early fifth century before the Bible existed as we might recognize it today, and none of the books of the Bible were even written until around 50 AD. But the Catholic Church began 20 years earlier, at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles.

    The Christians who wrote the New Testament were Catholic – they were Catholic for two reasons. One, they believed everything which the current Catholic Church (and only the Catholic Church) teaches (as is shown by the writings of the Church Fathers). And they were Catholic because there was no other church at the time. Myths such as the “Trail of Blood” simply do not hold water – the Catholic Church was, quite literally, the only game in town.

    Accordingly, the Bible can be considered to be two things – it is younger than the Catholic Church and it is the product of the Catholic Church. This means that the Bible is not the sole rule of faith for Christians, but rather “the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth” as it says in I Timothy 3:15.

    So when you say “inerrant” fundamental truths it take us nowhere because what you and your friends call “inerrant” is an interpretation that others may differ. This becomes a circular reasoning trap.

    Thus the same Petrine authority responsible for assembling the NT canons did not have an expiry date in AD 300, or AD 500.

    Matthew 28:20:

    “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

    It is this teaching authority, that predated the compilation of the Bible, to assemble the NT that carries on to this day and has been the source of eternal life through the Mass and Eucharist (see earlier post) for Catholics: saints, martyrs and sinners.

    I can however refer you to Tim Staples. He is a convert to Catholicism from Jimmy Swaggart’s Bible College, a former Assemblies of God Pentecostalist –preacher who truly sought to disprove Catholic doctrine especially Marian theology and indeed made it his explicit mission to show it was dead wrong. This was a 20-year effort of his. He not only converted at the end his mission, he wrote a best seller called “Mary, Mother of God” defending all of Church Marian doctrine. It is an eye-opener!

    Here’s him being interviewed on EWTN Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWe10ypkvw

    Good night!

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/26/2015 9:20:35 PM PST · 182 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    Actually your historical understanding of Petrine authority and the role of the early Church fathers is misplaced. I say this respectfully. The short answer is that is through Petrine authority that both the books in the Bible and interpretation of key scriptural passages were understood.

    One of the earliest Christian documents is the Didache, known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, which probably dates from the 1st century. Sections 9 and 10 deal with the Eucharist [Gk.Eucharistias] and prayers of thanks that allude to the Mass.

    Here are examples of early Church fathers. St. Clement of Rome was the third successor of Peter the Apostle as bishop of Rome, our fourth Pope. St. Irenaeus (Book III, iii) tells us that Clement “saw the blessed Apostles and conversed with them, and had yet ringing in his ears the preaching of the Apostles and had their tradition before his eyes, and not he only for many were then surviving who had been taught by the Apostles. “ Similarly Epiphanius tells us that Clement was a contemporary of Peter and Paul. There is a tradition that he was ordained by St. Peter and acted as a kind of auxiliary bishop to Linus and Anacletus, his predecessors in the papal chair. His letter to the Corinthians was written between 70-96 A.D.

    For example, St. Ignatius of Antioch was a pagan by birth and a Syrian. He became the third bishop of Antioch and may be considered an apostolic Father in the sense that he heard the Apostle John preach. About 110 A.D. he was sentenced to a martyr’s death in the arena by the Emperor Trajan, who also put Pope Clement to death.

    He makes an unforgettable reference when he urges Christians to assemble in common and obey the bishop, “breaking one bread that is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against dying that offers life for all in Jesus Christ.” These beautiful words sum up Jesus’ own teaching in John 6 and St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11. Notice also that he refers to the Eucharist as a sacrifice as did the authors of the Didache. Eucharistic theology seems almost complete in St. Ignatius.

    Take the case of St. Irenaeus. He heard the preaching of Bishop Polycarp, who was a disciple of the Apostle John, writing a famous tract Against Heresies between 180 and 190 A.D. is the first to provide explicit mention of the change that takes place in the bread and wine when they become the Eucharist. The earthly creation (bread and wine) are raised to a heavenly dignity after they “receive the word of God” [at the epiclesis of the Mass or the invocation to the Holy Spirit] and become the food and drink of Christians. So how then can we doubt that, “Our bodies, receiving the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible but have the hope of resurrection to eternal life.”

    What all this means is that we cannot simply open the pages of the Bible and read it like a newspaper and therefore we must rely on authoritative interpretations.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/26/2015 9:00:19 PM PST · 180 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    Well, in that case you will have to discount the entire Bible- wouldn’t you? Since the books in the Bible were carefully sorted out by the early Church fathers and they used the oral tradition to fact check some written works with others as to what were authentic. Some tracts like the Gnostic Gospels etc were thrown out and others were included. You must therefore ignore the Bible because by your own lights “ how could you ever determine if some other was properly interpreting the Scripture -— or not?”

    Catholics resort to Petrine authority, what is yours?

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/26/2015 8:35:07 PM PST · 176 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    Well if you are asking if I as an “individual” have Petrine Authority, the answer is emphatically NO. I don’t get to authoritatively interpret scripture. That is power to instruct ONE truth that was handed specifically to Peter and his successors as part of One Church.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/26/2015 8:17:15 PM PST · 172 of 205
    Steelfish to BlueDragon

    Yes, I believe in the Credo. So what do you believe in?

  • Barack Obama To Miss Ceremony Marking The Liberation Of Auschwitz [70% Jews Voted Obama!]

    01/26/2015 5:50:09 PM PST · 20 of 42
    Steelfish to eater-of-toast

    Agree. Republican may attract 40% of Hispanic vote but that percentage is unachievable among Jews: nearly all of whom are “secular’ and “liberals” How else did Obama win FL?

  • SF Archbishop to Pelosi: 'No Catholic Can Dissent' on Abortion

    01/26/2015 5:35:19 PM PST · 1 of 26
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  • Barack Obama Slammed For 'Ungainly Sight' After Being Caught On Camera Chewing Nicorette Gum..

    01/26/2015 5:30:54 PM PST · 10 of 69
    Steelfish to ConservativeInPA

    So well put!

  • Barack Obama Slammed For 'Ungainly Sight' After Being Caught On Camera Chewing Nicorette Gum..

    01/26/2015 5:22:59 PM PST · 1 of 69
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  • Barack Obama To Miss Ceremony Marking The Liberation Of Auschwitz [70% Jews Voted Obama!]

    01/26/2015 5:13:35 PM PST · 1 of 42
    Steelfish
    Seventy percent of American Jews voted for Barack Obama. The result is in line with the 74 percent support he received in 2008, and the 70 percent average support Democratic presidential candidates have received since exit polling began in 1972.Nov 12, 2012 America's Jewish Vote - NYTimes.com www.nytimes.com/2012/.../americas-jewish-vote.html
  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/26/2015 4:59:18 PM PST · 168 of 205
    Steelfish to Tao Yin

    Your response begs the question. Because it means belief in His teachings. What are these “teachings”? He entrusted this to ONE Church.

    “Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.”
    (Douay-Rheims Bible)

    Now that’s a pretty strong and definitive statement. But Catholics and Non-Catholic Christians part company on what this “belief” means. This is why we have Petrine authority and this is also why all discussion must begin and end with Petrine authority.

    Sometimes words alone cannot captures the essence of grief and entrustment The tears of God’s mother at the foot of the cross cannot be put to words. So too those words of Christ from John 19:26: “When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son.” The oral tradition tells us that Mary at that moment became the Mother of us all and God’s Church and hence the start of Marian devotions.

    Now you are free to disagree with all of this but you will then be constrained to agree that “belief” is matter of interpretation and Christ did not means to allow for multiple teachings. At least we can agree on that much. We both can’t be right.

  • Jindal: Gay Marriage Should Be Decided By States, Not Courts

    01/25/2015 11:09:30 PM PST · 1 of 19
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  • Fr. Richard McBrien, theologian, has died [NCR, aka Fishwrap, aka National Schismatic Distorter]

    01/25/2015 11:00:04 PM PST · 4 of 18
    Steelfish to Arthur McGowan

    Wow! I do read a lot of Ralph McInerny but never came across that. I can’t recall McBrien being a “Bishop” and if he said so this is categorically untrue. The concubine comment is defamatory if untrue and I have serious doubts McInerny would utter this as well.

  • Fr. Richard McBrien, theologian, has died [NCR, aka Fishwrap, aka National Schismatic Distorter]

    01/25/2015 10:20:36 PM PST · 2 of 18
    Steelfish to Arthur McGowan

    I agree with George Weigel
    But Bishop of South Bend? Concubine? sources?

  • Gov. Bobby Jindal: U.S. Needs a Spiritual Revival

    01/25/2015 9:34:14 PM PST · 5 of 13
    Steelfish to GeronL

    Well said!

  • Gov. Bobby Jindal: U.S. Needs a Spiritual Revival

    01/25/2015 9:30:40 PM PST · 1 of 13
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  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/25/2015 9:19:23 PM PST · 159 of 205
    Steelfish to Syncro

    Which non-Catholic “Christians”? Biblical “lite” interpretations of Jim Jones, David Koresh; Rev. Wright? Joel Osteen? “long before the creation of the Catholic Church” Right. The Bible fell from the skies and self arranged itself

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/25/2015 8:49:45 PM PST · 157 of 205
    Steelfish to Syncro

    Since when does a rational argument have an expiry date? Church arguments have actually been repeated for over 2000 years old. Isn’t it because Bible Christians can’t rebut deep theological arguments and drown when taken to the deep end of the pool. So they swim in the shallow end and what’s broken is not the record but the player. So this too will sound as a broken record. Advice: get the player fixed so that when you hear it once you hear it right.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/25/2015 8:13:10 PM PST · 152 of 205
    Steelfish to ealgeone

    Cherry-picking is for Bible Christians. Go ask the Osteens, Billy Grahams, the Moonies, Mormons, Jim Jones, David Koreshs, Jimmy Swaggarts, Rev. Schullers and the pastors of every corner street Foursquare Church each having their own interpretation. Either you accept Petrine authority (one Credo) under which auspices the Bible was painstakingly assembled in chapter and verse by the early Church fathers by including some texts, and rejecting others by resorting to the oral traditions and sacred ritual, or you don’t by ignoring Petrine authority and then selectively picking and choosing as do Bible Christians.

    The early Church fathers were not only taught by the 12 apostles, they were also first-hand witnesses to the creation of the Church worldwide. Most, if not all, were martyred by being crucified, beheaded, fed to the lions at the Roman Coliseum, or boiled in oil. They were the ones empowered by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13 and 1 John 4:6), and who personally handed on the oral teaching of Jesus Christ, before the New Testament canon was created by the Catholic Church in the late 4th century, at the councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage.

    One of the great early ones, St. Clement, is actually mentioned in the bible in Philippians 4:3. None of these early Church Fathers just stood up and started preaching on his own. They followed the Biblical model in Acts of “being sent” (Romans 10:15). Who sent them? Jesus sent the 12 apostles (“as the Father sent me, so I send you”). The 12 apostles then laid hands on others and sent them (Acts 6:6).

    This apostolic tradition has been followed for 2000 years by the Catholic Church, who continuously lays hands on new disciples in every generation since Jesus walked the earth, and then sends them to the four corners of the earth to preach the good news of Jesus Christ, to forgive sins in His Name, and to bring Jesus in the Eucharist to us all. We, the members of the 21rst Century, owe these early Church Fathers a lot of gratitude, because they died horrible deaths in order to preserve and to hand on the ONE, HOLY CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC Word of God to us today.

    This is the ONE teaching, ONE Credo, ONE truth, for all times. This is the faith examined by the power of reason and intellect and why the works of Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, and Benedict XVI are an essential part of the theological curricula at major colleges and universities the world over. They do not study the simplistic nonsense of the Billy Grahams, Osteens, or the Moonies!

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/25/2015 4:04:07 PM PST · 142 of 205
    Steelfish to Roman_War_Criminal

    All you have is Bible, Bible, Bible (that was assembled by the early Church fathers) and following the curse of the Reformation, where every Tom, Dick, and Harry believes they can crack open the page of the Bible and give it their “own” interpretation as if reading from a newspaper.

    Why don’t you spend serious time reading the works of Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, and Benedict XVI. I know, all these eminent theologians got it wrong, they are all fools, you alone and corner street pastors now got it right!

    Because it’s not explicitly stated in the Bible, to hell with the oral traditions even though the John writes in 21: 25

    “But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”(Douay-Rheims Bible)

    The is what Bible Christians do, they attract the low IQ followers like the Osteens and Billy Grahams and Jim Jones’ etc with their simplistic rhetoric waving around Bible in hand. Serious theological research and scholarship goes over their heads. Why don’t you listen to Tim Staples who for 20 years thought like the Jimmy Swaggarts and Billy Grahams of this world until he realized he was being taken for an idiot???

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/25/2015 3:33:45 PM PST · 137 of 205
    Steelfish to Roman_War_Criminal

    Before the Bible was put together by the early Church fathers, we had the oral traditions sacred ritual and liturgy.

    Before spouting out further nonsense and making a fool of oneself where angels fear to tread, try watching Tim Staples, a convert to Catholicism from Jimmy Swaggart’s Bible College, a former devoted Assemblies of God Pentecostalist –researcher and preacher who truly sought to disprove Catholic doctrine, especially the Marian doctrines and indeed made it his mission to show they were dead wrong. This was a 20-year effort on his part.

    This video is an eye-opener! Even better, get his book and read it with the same honest inquiry as he did. That is only if you want to truly explore fearlessly the truth like he did or instead choose to enjoy the bliss of ignorance and post the kind of kindergarten stuff on FR that pastors of corner street churches deliver to their Sunday congregants.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWe10ypkvw

  • FNC’S CHRIS WALLACE: NETANYAHU “WICKED”, “MALICIOUS” FOR “SNEAKING UP” ON OBAMA’S BACK

    01/25/2015 12:01:10 PM PST · 49 of 67
    Steelfish to willibeaux

    They need the DC-cred by showing what they think is “independent” thinking?

  • FNC’S CHRIS WALLACE: NETANYAHU “WICKED”, “MALICIOUS” FOR “SNEAKING UP” ON OBAMA’S BACK

    01/25/2015 10:46:57 AM PST · 1 of 67
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  • Colorado Seeks Permission To Grow Pot At State Universities [More Jobs For Chinese & indians]

    01/25/2015 10:42:58 AM PST · 1 of 7
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  • Palin says she’s ‘seriously interested’ in 2016 campaign

    01/25/2015 10:21:33 AM PST · 23 of 28
    Steelfish to TaxPayer2000

    Her time may just have come and gone. She should have challenged Romney. This time the man of the moment is Ted Cruz.

  • In India, Obama And Modi Talk Personal Bond [H1B Tsunami? Netanyahu Bond?]

    01/25/2015 10:19:04 AM PST · 7 of 12
    Steelfish to Mariner

    Agree. But they do change the culture with polytheistic faiths, cultures, traditions and rituals. They vote for the Rats because secularism is something they feel comfortable in a Christian nation.

  • In India, Obama And Modi Talk Personal Bond [H1B Tsunami? Netanyahu Bond?]

    01/25/2015 9:51:28 AM PST · 1 of 12
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  • Huckabee Defends His Breaks from Conservative Orthodoxy [Accepts Common Core, Amnesty, Cap & Trade]

    01/25/2015 9:46:51 AM PST · 1 of 41
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  • Barbara Walters: We Thought Obama Was Going To Be The Next Messiah

    01/24/2015 11:40:29 PM PST · 54 of 61
    Steelfish to Pelham

    As are all this who voted for Obama. This country is in one big mess.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/24/2015 10:59:11 PM PST · 103 of 205
    Steelfish to mrobisr

    You need to stop playing internet sophomore “theology”. Perhaps a course in 101Theology will help.

    Go try reading the great works of Augustine, Newman (a Catholic convert who began the famous Oxford Movement that has led to Newman Centers in major universities) , Aquinas, or that of Benedict XVI.

    Ttrust the early Church fathers who put together the various books in the Bible after decades of research under Petrine authority. These verses you cite from scripture did not fall from the skies. Various passages were sorted out and some were included and some not. The authority to do so was not plucked out of thin air. This was all done under Petrine authority, the authority to instruct ONE truth, ONE teaching to ONE Church for ALL times.

    Not where every Tom, Dick and Harry or an Al Sharpton or Billy Graham or a David Koresh or Jm Jones has either the authority or the theological expertise to crack open the pages of the Bible and start quoting verses from here and there. That’s for neophytes.

    Why don’t you ask Sweden’s Ulf Ekman, pastor of the its largest Protestant Church in that country who after several decades of intense Bible study, teaching, and preaching converted to Catholicism? Or try consulting the works of the late Rcichard Neuhaus who was by far the preeminent Lutheran theologian in the United States, a professor, author, and pastor who not only converted to Catholicism but became a Catholic priest.

    Or if that’s not enough for you why not ask Francis Beckwith who served as president of the Evangelical Theological Society, an association of 4,300 Protestant theologians and after 32 years as an Evangelical scholar ditched their nonsense and returned to Catholicism?

    Or try reading the writings and scholarship of Joshua Hochschild who was among the brightest of the faculty at Wheaton College and who converted to Catholicism.

    These folks were “real” scholars and did not wallow in the shallow waters of Bible Christianity who tried playing cut-and-paste internet theologians.

    There is ONE Church with ONE teaching (It’s called the CREDO). all the rest are heretical teachings emanating from the curse of Protestantism. No wonder the great British essayist Hillaire Belloc, wrote that unlike other heresies, Protestantism “spawned a cluster of heresies.” This is the low-IQ stuff peddled by corner street self appointed pastors of churches such as First Baptist, Second Baptist this or that or First AME... etc. Some of it with deadly consequences Just check with the deceased relatives of followers of Jim Jones and David Koresh. Protestant Kool-aid comes in various flavors.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/24/2015 9:47:46 PM PST · 99 of 205
    Steelfish to mrobisr

    Simplistic nonsense. Deny Petrine Authority (under which the early Church fathers put together the books of the Bible: they did not fall from the skies) and you’ll have thousands of loose canons on decks each providing their “own” Bible interpretation from the Moonies to the Mormons to every other Tom, Dick, and Harry mushroom Foursquare Church pastor. This is the curse of the Reformation.

  • Queens of Heaven. Mary and Kuantan Yin

    01/24/2015 8:24:24 PM PST · 82 of 205
    Steelfish to Roman_War_Criminal

    Right, that’s why leading Lutheran and Protestant theologians have converted to Catholicism. The dupes are the Bible Christians whose understanding of theology is so shallow that we now have 35,000 sects ranging from the likes of Billy Graham to Jim Jones, the Moonies and David Koresh. So go back to the shallow waters in which you folks swim and stay away from the deep end of the theological pool reserved for the likes of the early Church fathers, and such luminaries like Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, and Benedict XVI and a litany of saints and martyrs after whom college and universities have been named.