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  • Why Catholics Have More Fun Than Protestants While Studying Early Church History

    01/05/2009 8:08:27 AM PST · 26 of 98
    SubSailor to GonzoII

    If you don’t recognize the sarcasm in the article and the disdainful regard for prostestants, then this says alot to me about your ability to understand many other things.

    Lighten up yourself. Listen to the Holy Spirit. Speak out of love, not out of a spirit of contempt and pride.

    Think about the author’s motivation when writing this. Do you suppose he was trying to win souls or to disparage protestant beliefs?

  • Why Catholics Have More Fun Than Protestants While Studying Early Church History

    01/05/2009 5:22:45 AM PST · 14 of 98
    SubSailor to GonzoII

    You obviously took a lot of time to write this and I commend you for your effort. My biggest problem with your work is the sarcastic tone in which you present it. It does not appear to me that you are trying to win anyone to the Lord so much as trying to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Are you trying to win me to the Lord or to your point of view?

  • Could An Asteroid Hit Planet Earth, Again?

    01/30/2008 4:45:13 PM PST · 30 of 54
    SubSailor to blam

    Can we steer it towards the stadium the next time Michigan and Ohio State play each other in football?

  • Belief in God remains strong in U.S., poll finds

    09/12/2006 5:57:20 AM PDT · 8 of 26
    SubSailor to ItsOurTimeNow

    Very apt. Even demons believe in God.

  • That Old Feeling Again (American Spectator article by Freeper)

    08/19/2005 8:19:43 PM PDT · 47 of 49
    SubSailor to Enterprise

    I give up. You apparently are pigheaded and lacking the grace to admit that you were mistaken. I have made my point, presented facts, and you still deny them. This is pointless and I will make no further comment because arguing with fools is pointless.

  • That Old Feeling Again (American Spectator article by Freeper)

    08/19/2005 1:21:21 PM PDT · 43 of 49
    SubSailor to Enterprise
    I'm sorry, but you are wrong. This is a direct quote from the article:

    Barry Manilow singing his 1970s hit "I Go Crazy":

    The quote would be correct if it said "the" 1970's hit, but it doesn't say that. It says "his" 1970's hit and that is incorrect. Barry Manilow did not have a hit with that song. You have taken a position that is wrong and now you are being just as idiotic in defending your wrong position as the democrats who believe and perpetuate stupid unproven facts about the President just because it's on CBS.

  • That Old Feeling Again (American Spectator article by Freeper)

    08/19/2005 11:31:43 AM PDT · 39 of 49
    SubSailor to Enterprise
    Manilow sang the song, and the author properly referenced the lyrics as sung by Manilow. And really, who GAF who wrote it?

    Manilow never had a hit as suggested by the author. Paul Davis is the one who had the hit. Manilow did an obscure cover of the song that was probably never played on a radio station anywhere. I bet Paul Davis GAF who wrote it. Apparently you don't GAF about getting facts correct. So, are you like the democrats in the article and just believe any little thing you read as long it fits your distorted view of events?

  • That Old Feeling Again (American Spectator article by Freeper)

    08/19/2005 7:21:39 AM PDT · 34 of 49
    SubSailor to harpu
    "Geez...get over it. You're response is like searching for fly fecal matter in pepper.

    I said it was a good article did I not? I just find it ironic that the author didn't bother to get the facts straight in an article jumping on others about not getting facts straight.

  • That Old Feeling Again (American Spectator article by Freeper)

    08/19/2005 7:14:32 AM PDT · 32 of 49
    SubSailor to Cyber Liberty; Enterprise; crushkerry; texan75010; AliVeritas; CWW

    Take a close look at the picture and note who the artist and composer are:

    http://i24.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/3a/b0/09_1_b.JPG

    You're internet searches showed Manilow because he did a cover version of Paul Davis' hit song on an album featuring hits from 1978.

  • That Old Feeling Again (American Spectator article by Freeper)

    08/19/2005 5:41:02 AM PDT · 3 of 49
    SubSailor to crushkerry
    I liked the article until the last part:

    Barry Manilow singing his 1970s hit "I Go Crazy": "...That old feeling in side Way deep down inside Oh baby You know when I look in your eyes I still go crazy..."

    That was NOT Manilow. It was Paul Davis. A 30 second google search would've revealed this. Sloppy work capping off a well written article detracts from the entire article.

  • The vilification of James Dobson

    03/07/2005 10:32:31 AM PST · 31 of 86
    SubSailor to joesbucks
    "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, no idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."....

    Is someone who has previously engaged in these acts but has since accepted Christ and no longer engages in these behaviors "unrighteous"

  • The vilification of James Dobson

    03/07/2005 10:25:55 AM PST · 24 of 86
    SubSailor to joesbucks
    The absolutes in the bible says the adulters(sic)...

    Do you even own a Bible? Have you ever read any of it? Are you aware that the Bible teaches that sins are forgiven (even the ones you listed) when you accept and believe that Christ died for your sins?

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/12/2005 11:07:53 AM PST · 2,108 of 2,242
    SubSailor to shubi
    I don't want to find common ground with people that are detached from reality.

    "I am right and you are wrong, I pity you, and remember I am a minister."

    Obviously, you are very pertinacious. Apparently, from the past several discourses we have had, and taking into account the above statements, I have little chance of making any headway in affecting your resoluteness or your opinions.

    I have enjoyed the opportunity to discuss these matters with you. I wish that we could agree more, but that does not seem likely at this time. Perhaps we shall meet again in some other thread, or in some other form. Good luck to you and I bid you peace.

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/12/2005 10:35:19 AM PST · 2,106 of 2,242
    SubSailor to shubi
    s-No. Do you admire the person that goes into a marked minefield and gets blown up?

    sub If it was in an effort to save someone else, then yes.

    It is a false effort to save someone on the creationist's part. They are saving them with a false Gospel.

    It is like someone going into the minefield to rescue someone, handing them a grenade with the pin out and waiting to blow up together.?

    I stand by my original statement. If I perceived that you were in danger, regardless of the correctness of my perception, then I think I should at least attempt to save you.

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/12/2005 10:03:13 AM PST · 2,104 of 2,242
    SubSailor to shubi
    No. Do you admire the person that goes into a marked minefield and gets blown up?

    If it was in an effort to save someone else, then yes.

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/12/2005 9:53:26 AM PST · 2,098 of 2,242
    SubSailor to King Prout
    Humility on both sides would be preferable, of course. However, please note, even the deepest human humility, patience, and tolerance can be tested beyond its limits by serial willful, disingenuous, and antagonistic stupidity in the face of repeated correction and instruction.

    Touche'

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/12/2005 9:29:06 AM PST · 2,096 of 2,242
    SubSailor to shubi
    Hating anything is not good. Departing from the basics of theology in the Nicene Creed is not good. Lying is not good.

    I fully agree with the above statements. With the caveat that the Nicene Creed does not include any positional statements regarding the age of the earth or the manner in which life appeared upon the earth. Insisting that one take a position for or against either is contrary to (what I believe is) one of the goals of the Creed which is unifying the church. This is why I have tried to explain in this thread that this issue is not so important as to cause so much contention, particularly among professed Christians.

    Creationists practice all of the above and by doing so, distort the Gospel.

    Perhaps some creationists do as you suggest, but certainly not all, and in my experience, not even most. I suggest that you consider changing your paradigm to include the possibility that people can be sincere, yet wrong. When you suggest that people are lying, you are by definition suggesting that they are KNOWINGLY misleading people. Do you really think that there is such a vast conspiracy among all the Christian Churches in this country who believe that the Bible is inerrant and literal? No, it is not so. The simple fact is, these people truly believe this in their hearts to be true.

    There are certainly exceptions to any generalizations regarding human behavior, but generally, these are well-meaning people. They are arguing for what they believe to be true, they are not attempting to deceive.

    I will grant you (probably to the delight of non-Christians on this board, lol) that a lot of Christians who show up here are ill-prepared to discuss science and are in over their head when it comes to reasoning logically. At least, that has been my observation. However, can you not admire their determination to enter the lion's den, so to speak?

    Believe it or not, I just happened to stumble upon this thread out of curiosity of the subject matter. I have never visited a "crevo" thread or whatever it is called before this one (to the best of my recollection), and I have been a Freeper since 2000.

    There are certainly exceptions to any generalizations regarding human behavior, but generally, these are well-meaning people. They are arguing for what they believe to be true, they are not attempting to deceive.

    I would also remind anyone reading this that in all likelihood, the persons you may encounter in these forums are probably NOT a very good representative sample from which to draw conclusions. Many here are probably here because they are looking for a fight. This includes representatives from all sides of the issues.

    If we continue to to concentrate on and to reinforce stereotypes of each other, (i.e. all creationists are liars, all Biblical literalists are radical fundamentalists, all Christians are idiots, all evolutionists are atheists, all scientists promote secularism, all non-biblical literalists are evil,) we will never find common ground and will remain at odds with each other.

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/12/2005 9:28:33 AM PST · 2,095 of 2,242
    SubSailor to King Prout
    there is no "may be" about it. nor, in many cases, any "apparently" either.

    The same would hold true if I were to edit my orginal post which was:

    There may be some people who are put off for a time by apparently uneducated and unscientific Christians.

    like this:

    There may be some people who are put off for a time by apparently arrogant scientists.

    In both cases, I am suggesting that these are stumbling blocks to winning converts to your viewpoints.

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/11/2005 8:31:12 PM PST · 2,076 of 2,242
    SubSailor to shubi
    I don't consider creationists to be good Christians because they have distorted the Gospel and inserted Genesis (a faulty interpretation of Genesis) into the Gospel. How can you make people understand the Gospel if you have all this noise from people who have put their scams to make money from the scientifically unwashed above Christ?

    I really don't know how to answer except to ask how can we determine what a "good" or "true" Christian is? We all fall short of perfection. It is the realization of our shortfall that will lead us to Christ seeking redemption.

    There may be some people who are put off for a time by apparently uneducated and unscientific Christians. This truly may be a stumbling block for some. Also, I cannot deny that there are unscrupulous persons claiming to be Christians who turn out to be scam artists. But, if a person is really seeking spiritual truths, it probably won't be a scientific discipline that convicts the soul and ignites the desire to seek out a Savior.

  • Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo

    02/11/2005 7:10:26 PM PST · 2,063 of 2,242
    SubSailor to shubi
    I am not going to sit here and be cross examined. I am growing tired of working for agenda driven creationists and posers.

    And since this is in response to my post, am I to assume you include me among the "agenda driven creationists and posers"? I have already stated that I am not a creationist, although I readily admit that I am (gasp) friends with some. If you are asserting that I am posing as something that I am not, then you are incorrect, particularly if you suspect that I am knowingly engaged in some sort of deception.

    I have perhaps singled you out for discourse, but that is because you have identified yourself as a Christian Minister. You have also professed as one your main motivations for posting, something along the lines of being concerned about the witness of persons who claim to be Christians to potential converts. (I didn't want to wade through 1500 posts to get the exact post to quote. But, I believe the previous sentence conveys the gist of the post.) This is something that I am concerned about too...that is why I am addressing you.

    I feel that I must reiterate at this point that I know that I am certainly not a good witness on all occasions. But, this should not prevent me from trying to help reprove a brother. It was for that reason that I was suggesting that you rethink your demeaning of fellow Christians by suggesting that their religion was nonsense, and for misleading others by purporting that an acceptance of evolutionary concepts was somehow central to being a Christian.

    If I have any agenda at all, it is to make the point that acerbic attacks rarely help win converts, (you catch more flies with honey) and I am trying to make that point to both sides of the argument.