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  • The IRS Loses Lerner's Emails

    06/14/2014 8:44:50 AM PDT · 1 of 119
    tedw
    The IRS loses the emails which could prove the IRS was targeting Conservative groups. It is more than just "convenient".

    What would happen to you if the IRS was auditing you and you conveniently lost your tax records?

    This is something that Darrell Issa has the power to go after and should. Heads should roll.

    Call Darrell Issa's office and ask then to pursue the lost email. If they can't get it from the sender they should go after the all the potential recepients: Holder et. al.

  • The Evil within Church leaders/ ministers, "reverends", etc. Short video!

    03/14/2014 12:11:33 AM PDT · 56 of 94
    tedw to Linda Frances

    You seem to be quoting some unnamed source and the information is unreliable. Here is the statement of belief of the Foundation of Human Understanding.You can find the link by doing a google search for: Foundation of Human Understanding-statement of belief.

    Jesus
    I believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the only begotten Son of God. I believe that Jesus is the Messiah foretold, born of the Virgin Mary, and that accepting His perfect truth is essential to salvation. God is perfectly revealed for us in the fullness of Christ, and so we have His clear example to follow. A person must love this Truth more than worldly life, for it is by faith that we are saved, and not acts.

    As far as the concept of the Trinity is concerned, it is a mystery that I am eager to understand. I believe in one God, maker of Heaven and Earth. Therefore, I have trouble accepting the expression that “Jesus is God,” since for me that means “Jesus is the Father,” the source of all wisdom. I do believe that as God’s Anointed—as the Father’s Son in whom He was well pleased—judgment over men was given to Jesus, and He is deserving of worship

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/26/2013 12:05:10 AM PST · 558 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    Lets see. You can call people “cult members” and that is not personal, but if someone calls you “brainwashed” that is.

    Do I have that right?

    Brainwashing is a pretty well defined practice and a lot of what goes on in Churches could rightly be described that way. That is not personal but an objective fact.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 11:04:01 PM PST · 541 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    In “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” (Bearing the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur, indicating official approval) we get a glimpse of how the concept of the Trinity was not introduced into Christianity until close to four hundred years after Jesus (pbuh):

    “.......It is difficult in the second half of the 20th century to offer a clear, objective and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and theological elaboration of the Mystery of the trinity. Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as other, present a somewhat unsteady silhouette. Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma ‘One God in three Persons’ became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought ... it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development” (emphasis added).

    “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” Volume XIV, p. 295.

    They admit it!. Jesus’ twelve apostles lived and died never having heard of any “Trinity” !

    Did Jesus leave his closest and dearest followers so completely and utterly baffled and lost that they never even realized the “true” nature of God? Did he leave them in such black darkness that neither they nor their children, nor yet their children’s children would ever come to recognize the “true” nature of the One they are to worship? Do we really want to allege that Jesus was so thoroughly incompetent in the discharge of his duties that he left his followers in such utter chaos that it would take them fully three centuries after his departure to finally piece together the nature of the One whom they are to worship? Why did Jesus never, even once, just say “God, the Holy Ghost and I are three Persons in one Trinity. Worship all of us as one”? If he had only chosen to make just one such explicit statement to them he could have relieved Christianity of centuries of bitter disputes, division, and animosity.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 11:03:59 PM PST · 540 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    In “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” (Bearing the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur, indicating official approval) we get a glimpse of how the concept of the Trinity was not introduced into Christianity until close to four hundred years after Jesus (pbuh):

    “.......It is difficult in the second half of the 20th century to offer a clear, objective and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and theological elaboration of the Mystery of the trinity. Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as other, present a somewhat unsteady silhouette. Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma ‘One God in three Persons’ became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought ... it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development” (emphasis added).

    “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” Volume XIV, p. 295.

    They admit it!. Jesus’ twelve apostles lived and died never having heard of any “Trinity” !

    Did Jesus leave his closest and dearest followers so completely and utterly baffled and lost that they never even realized the “true” nature of God? Did he leave them in such black darkness that neither they nor their children, nor yet their children’s children would ever come to recognize the “true” nature of the One they are to worship? Do we really want to allege that Jesus was so thoroughly incompetent in the discharge of his duties that he left his followers in such utter chaos that it would take them fully three centuries after his departure to finally piece together the nature of the One whom they are to worship? Why did Jesus never, even once, just say “God, the Holy Ghost and I are three Persons in one Trinity. Worship all of us as one”? If he had only chosen to make just one such explicit statement to them he could have relieved Christianity of centuries of bitter disputes, division, and animosity.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 11:03:57 PM PST · 539 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    In “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” (Bearing the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur, indicating official approval) we get a glimpse of how the concept of the Trinity was not introduced into Christianity until close to four hundred years after Jesus (pbuh):

    “.......It is difficult in the second half of the 20th century to offer a clear, objective and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and theological elaboration of the Mystery of the trinity. Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as other, present a somewhat unsteady silhouette. Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma ‘One God in three Persons’ became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought ... it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development” (emphasis added).

    “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” Volume XIV, p. 295.

    They admit it!. Jesus’ twelve apostles lived and died never having heard of any “Trinity” !

    Did Jesus leave his closest and dearest followers so completely and utterly baffled and lost that they never even realized the “true” nature of God? Did he leave them in such black darkness that neither they nor their children, nor yet their children’s children would ever come to recognize the “true” nature of the One they are to worship? Do we really want to allege that Jesus was so thoroughly incompetent in the discharge of his duties that he left his followers in such utter chaos that it would take them fully three centuries after his departure to finally piece together the nature of the One whom they are to worship? Why did Jesus never, even once, just say “God, the Holy Ghost and I are three Persons in one Trinity. Worship all of us as one”? If he had only chosen to make just one such explicit statement to them he could have relieved Christianity of centuries of bitter disputes, division, and animosity.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 11:03:53 PM PST · 538 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    In “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” (Bearing the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur, indicating official approval) we get a glimpse of how the concept of the Trinity was not introduced into Christianity until close to four hundred years after Jesus (pbuh):

    “.......It is difficult in the second half of the 20th century to offer a clear, objective and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and theological elaboration of the Mystery of the trinity. Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as other, present a somewhat unsteady silhouette. Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma ‘One God in three Persons’ became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought ... it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development” (emphasis added).

    “The New Catholic Encyclopedia” Volume XIV, p. 295.

    They admit it!. Jesus’ twelve apostles lived and died never having heard of any “Trinity” !

    Did Jesus leave his closest and dearest followers so completely and utterly baffled and lost that they never even realized the “true” nature of God? Did he leave them in such black darkness that neither they nor their children, nor yet their children’s children would ever come to recognize the “true” nature of the One they are to worship? Do we really want to allege that Jesus was so thoroughly incompetent in the discharge of his duties that he left his followers in such utter chaos that it would take them fully three centuries after his departure to finally piece together the nature of the One whom they are to worship? Why did Jesus never, even once, just say “God, the Holy Ghost and I are three Persons in one Trinity. Worship all of us as one”? If he had only chosen to make just one such explicit statement to them he could have relieved Christianity of centuries of bitter disputes, division, and animosity.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 10:35:24 PM PST · 527 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    I am not a Jehovah Witness and don’t generally hold them in high regard.

    However, on that particular point that Jesus is not God, they are correct.

    Calling someone a “Cult” because they don’t agree with you is an Ad hominem attack.

    Trinitarians can’t really sucessully argue the Trinitarian point of view as it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny by honest seeking persons.

    God identified Jesus as his Son. Peter identified Jesus as the Son of God. Peter said he was a Man. Jesus himself said things which indicate He was not the Father (i.e. Jesus said he didn’t know when the world would end, only the Father knew).

    The list goes on and on.

    Only a few scriptures can really be pointed to support the idea, and there is controversy surrounding the translation of most them (John 1:1)

    To the sincere seeking person, ask God to show you the Truth. It is an important issue and,sadly, most so-called Christians have it wrong.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 10:26:06 PM PST · 523 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    I am not mangling history or twisting Scripture. That is a false accusation,

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 10:23:51 PM PST · 520 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    As usual there is more to the story,Mighty God is not a fair translation as even some fair-minded Trinitarians note:

    The Net Bible has this interesting note on the title gibbor el (”mighty God”):

    “probably an attributive adjective (”mighty God”), though one might translate “God is a warrior” or “God is mighty.” Since this title is apparently used later (10:21, but cf. Hos. 3:5) for God, some have understood it as pointing to the king’s deity. Others argue that the title portrays the king as God’s representative on the battlefield, whom God empowers in a supernatural way (see Hayes and Irvine, Isaiah, 181-82). The latter sense seems more likely in the original context of the prophecy. Having read the NT, we might in retrospect interpret this title as indicating the coming king’s deity, but it is unlikely that Isaiah or his audience would have understood the title in such a bold way. Ps 45:6 addresses the Davidic king as “God” because he ruled and fought as God’s representative on earth. Ancient Near Eastern art and literature picture gods training kings for battle, bestowing special weapons, and intervening in battle. According to Egyptian propaganda, the Hittites described Ramses II as follows: “No man is he who is among us, It is Seth great-of-strength, Baal in person; Not deeds of man are these his doings, They are of one who is unique.” (See M. Lichtheim, Ancient Egyptian Literature, 2:67) Isa. 9:6 probably envisions a similar kind of response when friends and foes alike look at the Davidic king in full battle regalia. When the king’s enemies oppose him on the battlefield, they are, as it were, fighting against God himself.”

    Notice that the NetBible scholars are Trinitarians, yet they are realistic and fair minded enough to recognize that gibbor el is not a title of deity. Other scholars agree.

    Actually, the passage is not a particularly good one for Trinitarians. It would help the Oneness folks a lot more. The Trinitarian does not regard Jesus as the Father, yet the passage says he shall be called “everlasting father.” The Trinitarian has to do all sorts of twisting to insist that “gibbor el” should be taken as telling us that Jesus is God, but then the next phrase they have to explain away to tell us that he is not the Father.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:51:58 PM PST · 506 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    millerjr

    “Jesus was either Divine God or he was a liar.”

    Nonsense. He neither claimed to be God nor was he a liar.

    He claimed to be the Messiah, Savior, Son of God and one sent by God but not God.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:51:56 PM PST · 505 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    millerjr

    “Jesus was either Divine God or he was a liar.”

    Nonsense. He neither claimed to be God nor was he a liar.

    He claimed to be the Messiah, Savior, Son of God and one sent by God but not God.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:51:55 PM PST · 504 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    millerjr

    “Jesus was either Divine God or he was a liar.”

    Nonsense. He neither claimed to be God nor was he a liar.

    He claimed to be the Messiah, Savior, Son of God and one sent by God but not God.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:12:09 PM PST · 495 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    There really doesn’t seem much point to this discussion.

    The Trinitarians here have their mind made up so much that even when you present clear evidence (like scriptures which says NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD)that Jesus is not God, they cannot accept it. They refuse to see it. They cannot objective look at the evidence or even ask God to show them the Truth.

    Its a remarkable process to watch such stubborn denial of Truth.

    I actually think it is a bit threatening to them. If they are mistaken about something so basic, so deceived, it sort of calls their whole Salvation into question.

    Its sad really. Jesus did not live and die and make such a sacrifice for us so that people would turn around and pervert his message.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:12:07 PM PST · 493 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    There really doesn’t seem much point to this discussion.

    The Trinitarians here have their mind made up so much that even when you present clear evidence (like scriptures which says NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD)that Jesus is not God, they cannot accept it. They refuse to see it. They cannot objective look at the evidence or even ask God to show them the Truth.

    Its a remarkable process to watch such stubborn denial of Truth.

    I actually think it is a bit threatening to them. If they are mistaken about something so basic, so deceived, it sort of calls their whole Salvation into question.

    Its sad really. Jesus did not live and die and make such a sacrifice for us so that people would turn around and pervert his message.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:12:06 PM PST · 492 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    There really doesn’t seem much point to this discussion.

    The Trinitarians here have their mind made up so much that even when you present clear evidence (like scriptures which says NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD)that Jesus is not God, they cannot accept it. They refuse to see it. They cannot objective look at the evidence or even ask God to show them the Truth.

    Its a remarkable process to watch such stubborn denial of Truth.

    I actually think it is a bit threatening to them. If they are mistaken about something so basic, so deceived, it sort of calls their whole Salvation into question.

    Its sad really. Jesus did not live and die and make such a sacrifice for us so that people would turn around and pervert his message.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:12:05 PM PST · 491 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    There really doesn’t seem much point to this discussion.

    The Trinitarians here have their mind made up so much that even when you present clear evidence (like scriptures which says NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD)that Jesus is not God, they cannot accept it. They refuse to see it. They cannot objective look at the evidence or even ask God to show them the Truth.

    Its a remarkable process to watch such stubborn denial of Truth.

    I actually think it is a bit threatening to them. If they are mistaken about something so basic, so deceived, it sort of calls their whole Salvation into question.

    Its sad really. Jesus did not live and die and make such a sacrifice for us so that people would turn around and pervert his message.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 9:12:04 PM PST · 490 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    There really doesn’t seem much point to this discussion.

    The Trinitarians here have their mind made up so much that even when you present clear evidence (like scriptures which says NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD)that Jesus is not God, they cannot accept it. They refuse to see it. They cannot objective look at the evidence or even ask God to show them the Truth.

    Its a remarkable process to watch such stubborn denial of Truth.

    I actually think it is a bit threatening to them. If they are mistaken about something so basic, so deceived, it sort of calls their whole Salvation into question.

    Its sad really. Jesus did not live and die and make such a sacrifice for us so that people would turn around and pervert his message.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 6:56:07 PM PST · 445 of 581
    tedw to redleghunter

    In John 1:18, the apostle wrote: “No one has seen God at any time.” In Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses: “You cannot see My face; for no man can see Me and live.”

    Plenty of people saw Jesus’s face.

    But what is the use? You will not see!!

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 6:51:20 PM PST · 443 of 581
    tedw to metmom

    No he didnt state He is the Father.

    He stated “He and the the Father are one”

    That is not the same thing and it has been explained earlier in the thread BUT YOU WILL NOT SEE.

    NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 4:31:43 PM PST · 428 of 581
    tedw to tedw

    No amount of proof will satisfy “died in the wool” Trinitarians.

    The scripture says no man has seen God. Jesus own Apostle said it. Therefore,it is impossible for Jesus to have been God as he was seen by many.

    We are dealing with brainwashed people who absolutely refuse to see.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 3:31:28 PM PST · 417 of 581
    tedw to tedw

    King James Bible
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    Fancy that, no man has seen God, including Doubting Thomas after the Resurretion. Neither Paul, or Peter or any of the Disciples ever saw God.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 2:48:29 PM PST · 398 of 581
    tedw to rbmillerjr

    Here is a question.

    Jesus was seen by many when He lived and preached yet John
    said:

    1 John 4:12

    New Century Version (NCV)

    12 No one has ever seen God, but if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is made perfect in us.

    No man has seen God (including Doubting Thomas)yet Jesus was seen. How could Jesus be God?

    I await your answer.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 2:39:46 PM PST · 397 of 581
    tedw to GarySpFc

    “The blood of one man can atone for the sin of only one man”

    I don’t know where you got that idea but it is not from the Scripture. Paul who preached that Jesus was the Son of God said it was by the gift and grace of ONE MAN that many are save. Read it yourself:

    Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
    12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. 15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one MAN, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 1:46:20 PM PST · 386 of 581
    tedw to GarySpFc

    Yes that to. That is how He redeemed us. If you believe He is the Lamb of God (as I do), it is contained within that.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 1:46:18 PM PST · 385 of 581
    tedw to GarySpFc

    Yes that to. That is how He redeemed us. If you believe He is the Lamb of God (as I do), it is contained within that.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 10:51:49 AM PST · 372 of 581
    tedw to rbmillerjr

    He isn’t saying Jesus is just a Prohphet.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 10:49:29 AM PST · 371 of 581
    tedw to fabian

    Sounds good to me.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/25/2013 10:48:34 AM PST · 370 of 581
    tedw to redleghunter

    So your whole idea of Jesus being God is based on what Thomas said which could be interpreted another way.

    Forget what Peter said (his confession), what Paul p the preached after his Conversion, and what Peter said (calling Jesus a man) at the day of Pentecost, and what God himself said as a voice from the Clouds.

    You are quite selective and your evidence is thin at best.

    I would also point out you didn’t realize Jesus is God, you learned it from a book. That is all intellectual.

    What you need is for God to reveal to you, thru the Holy Spirit, who Jesus is as he did to Peter.

    May the Creator bless you and open your eyes.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 11:08:30 PM PST · 336 of 581
    tedw to rbmillerjr

    The early Disciples had it right. Only after that generation died out,many martyred, did the idea that Jesus is God take hold. And I have posted extensive evidence of this including a Trinitarian Dean of St. Paul’s who concedes that Paul the Apostle knew nothing of the Trinity.

    It is much like our Constitution. Only after the Founding Fathers died out did the Judges really begin to pervert its meaning.

    In both cases, the Founders and Early Christians would not have stood idly by and let it happen. They had to die out first.

    There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 9:21:36 PM PST · 320 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    But not his own Father.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 9:20:21 PM PST · 319 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    I hadn’t thought about it but yes I suppose so.

    He referred to himself as the Son of Man. He was (and is) also the Son of God.

    Really, since his Father was God and his Mother was Mary, I guess you could say he was a little of both.

    Anyway, I don’t claim to know everything, but I do know Jesus is not God with certainty.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 9:14:11 PM PST · 317 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    Absolutely

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 8:39:42 PM PST · 310 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    Absolutely, I believe He is the Son of God, born of a Virgin,
    sent by God to redeem us from our sins and reconcile us to God thru belief and repentance.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 8:06:36 PM PST · 308 of 581
    tedw to Iscool

    No, its not just as clear nor what you think. Here is a good explanation:

    1. There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up “one God.” The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what he meant—he and his father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, “he who plants and he who waters are one” (1 Cor. 3:8 – KJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up “one being.” Furthermore, the NIV translates 1 Corinthians 3:8 as “he who plants and he who waters have one purpose.” Why translate the phrase as “are one” in one place, but as “have one purpose” in another place? In this case, translating the same phrase in two different ways obscures the clear meaning of Christ’s statement in John 10:30: Christ always did the Father’s will; he and God have “one purpose.”

    2. Christ uses the concept of “being one” in other places, and from them one can see that “one purpose” is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God’s children “one.” In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be “one” as he and God were “one.” We think it is obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being or “substance” just as he and his Father were one being or “substance.” We believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose, a prayer that has not yet been answered.

    3. The context of John 10:30 shows conclusively that Jesus was referring to the fact that he had the same purpose as God did. Jesus was speaking about his ability to keep the “sheep,” the believers, who came to him. He said that no one could take them out of his hand and that no one could take them out of his Father’s hand. Then he said that he and the Father were “one,” i.e., had one purpose, which was to keep and protect the sheep.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 5:47:23 PM PST · 304 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    So you are saying you don’t have to believe in the Trinity to be saved.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 5:46:08 PM PST · 303 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    He already has.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 5:46:06 PM PST · 302 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    He already has.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 5:44:40 PM PST · 301 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    There is NOT a huge pile of evidence that Jesus claimed to be God.

    Frankly, you have to have blinders on to think that.

    There is a HUGE pile of evidence that he did not claim to be God, and very thin ambiguos evidence to the contrary.

    I have a Christian friend who says that Trinitarian WILL NOT SEE, REFUSE TO SEE.

    Let the Truth sink in that you are UNWILLING TO SEE THE TRUTH.

    ********************************
    Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

    ********
    He ain’t Three

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 3:55:13 PM PST · 296 of 581
    tedw to Kevmo

    Please explain how God can be subjected to God:

    1 Corinthians 15:

    “Then cometh the end, when he (Christ) shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father … And when all things have been subjected unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him (God), who did subject all things unto him (Christ), that God may be all in all.” (verses 24-28, RV)

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 3:11:25 PM PST · 293 of 581
    tedw to CynicalBear

    Please tell which two scriptures Peter consulted when he realized that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God?

    I can see what you all are doing. Even when Scriptural truths are presented that Jesus was not God (even the words out of his own mouth) you deny them. You state no proofs are being presented when in fact they are.

    I don’t think most of you are interested in the Truth. You are interested in proving how right you are, even when you are very wrong.

    Those who want to know the Truth will know it. And will not be confused by those who pass off man-made doctrines as if they were from God.

    God said Jesus is his Son. What could be clearer than that?

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 12:13:33 PM PST · 281 of 581
    tedw to Iscool

    No, you don’t.

    Tbe vast preponderance of scriptures testify that Jesus is the Son of God and not equal to God. (”You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I——Jesus himself saying he is less than the Father.

    Are you calling Jesus a Liar?

    But because you are wrong and don’t want to admit you are wrong, you turn them on their head.

    You don’t stick with scriptures at all. You stick with the brainwashing you got in Church, and then CLAIM you are sticking with scriptures.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 12:05:09 PM PST · 278 of 581
    tedw to fabian

    That is absolutely right.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 10:19:49 AM PST · 275 of 581
    tedw to Iscool

    There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.

    Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”

    Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.

    Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.

    John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.

    You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.

    And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”

    Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.

    You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 10:19:48 AM PST · 274 of 581
    tedw to Iscool

    There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.

    Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”

    Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.

    Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.

    John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.

    You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.

    And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”

    Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.

    You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 10:19:46 AM PST · 273 of 581
    tedw to Iscool

    There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.

    Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”

    Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.

    Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.

    John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.

    You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.

    And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”

    Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.

    You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 10:19:35 AM PST · 272 of 581
    tedw to Iscool

    There are very few scriptures which indicate Jesus was God.

    Peters confession of Christ was that “Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God”

    Paul Preached that Jesus was the Son of God. At the day of Pentecost, Peter said Jesus was a man who God had made Christ.

    Throughout the four Gospels Jesus says He is less than God, and even said he didn’t know when the world would end, that only the Father knows that.

    John 1:1 the most cited reference to Jesus being God is the subject of debate by Biblical Scholars.

    You have been taught wrongly by a Church that Jesus is God, yet you stubbornly refuse to see that the majority of Scripture does not support that. Honest Trinitarians even admit the early Christians had no idea of the Doctrine.

    And God himself said “ This is my Son in whom I am well pleased”

    Any references to Jesus being God are thin,and most likely influenced wrongly by Trinitarian translators.

    You are the one falsely promotes the true meaning of Scripure, not I.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 7:55:40 AM PST · 270 of 581
    tedw to Cvengr

    Did St. Paul fail to advance? Yet he never knew the doctrine of the Trinity.

    The finest Christians I have known do not believe in the man made Trinity doctrine. Either you are repeating something you have been taught or your acquaintances are limited.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 7:52:37 AM PST · 269 of 581
    tedw to tedw

    Dr. W. R. Matthews, for many years Dean of St. Paul’s, London:

    “. . . the doctrine of the Trinity . . . formed no part of the original message. St. Paul knew it not, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed” (God in Christian Thought and Experience, p.180). “

    Dr. W.R. Matthews: Born in 1881[6] he was educated at Wilson’s School and King’s College London. He was ordained in 1907[7] and was a curate at St Mary Abbots’ Kensington and St Peter’s Regent Square. After that he was a lecturer in and then a professor of theology at King’s College London.[8] From 1918 he was also Dean of the college.[9] In 1931 he became an Honorary Chaplain to the King[10] and Dean of Exeter.[11] Then in 1934 he became Dean of St Paul’s,[12] a post he held for 33 years. An author,[13] he died on 5 December 1973.

  • Is Jesus Christ God?

    12/24/2013 7:32:06 AM PST · 268 of 581
    tedw to Iscool

    “That Jesus is God or not isn’t a legitimate debate...It’s settled...”

    Baloney. You would like that to be true. While I do not thinkthat people like you are blessed to realize the truth, there may be others reading this discussion who will benefit.

    I urge all readers to investigate the matter themselves and listen to the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their hearts. Then, like Peter, you will know who Christ is.