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  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 5:32:21 PM PST · 559 of 565
    TomB to ROCKLOBSTER
    GASP! Are you challenging the veracity of the Newspaper of Record, The Old Gray Lady, the much vaunted and heralded NEW YORK TIMES???

    UN-believable!

    And you are believing them?

    Pathetic.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 2:42:41 PM PST · 556 of 565
    TomB to ROCKLOBSTER
    No, they were cheering Joe Paterno. Try to pay attention.

    I was. I specifically asked Nitt what he heard, and it compared to what the people I knew at the game said; there were no sustained, loud cheering for Paterno. There were attempts to get a "JoePa" cheer going, but only by very few people.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 2:34:52 PM PST · 554 of 565
    TomB to KantianBurke
    As for my beliefs that Paterno & company may very well be facing hard time I’ll place them up against YOUR views that they won’t be.

    Where the hell did I say that? I only pointed out what the AG said.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 2:29:27 PM PST · 553 of 565
    TomB to KantianBurke
    you Paterno fans might not like what turns up.

    Let's be clear Sparky, as NittanyLion can attest to, I am very far from being a "Paterno fan". I just like to get the facts straight, like the Attorney General of the State of Pennsylvania saying "Paterno is not a target of the criminal investigation". And indeed she has even gone so far as to express "concern" over Penn State's firing of Paterno.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 2:19:35 PM PST · 551 of 565
    TomB to ROCKLOBSTER
    If they were cheering, they were enablers.

    OK, they were cheering the team on the field. Unless you are alleging the players are pedophiles, the only thing they were "enabling" were the team.

    Demographic statistics puts some of each of those other two categories in a crowd that large.

    Huh? In a crowd of over 100,000 there are all sorts of bad people, so that makes the entire crowd bad? Isn't that a colossally stupid example of guilt by association?

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 2:13:59 PM PST · 550 of 565
    TomB to KantianBurke
    captain obvious

    Let me point out what I said:

    "Obviously more information could come to light"

    The joke doesn't work if the word "obvious" is in the statement you are ridiculing.

    The rest of your screed is, as you already admitted, your own "guess work", and about as enlightening as your weak attempt at a joke.

  • Penn State's Sex-abuse Scandal Far From Unique

    11/13/2011 2:05:49 PM PST · 37 of 47
    TomB to fella
    As far as I can see this is another trial and conviction by media. Only some charges have been made, there has been no trial nor conviction. And yet punishments have already been dealt out even to some who have not been charged. We should not declare guilt before a trial is completed because it makes us appear to be like those black hats up in Salem in the 1600s.

    Well, we know that Sandusky is on record as having to admitted to inappropriate contact with Victim 1 to his mother with 2 police in the next room listening. God only knows (literally) why Gricar didn't prosecute.

    Having said that, considering that the DA has said that neither Paterno nor McQueary are currently in danger of indictment, there is desire to go after those two for their egregious moral failings.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 12:37:35 PM PST · 543 of 565
    TomB to dfwgator
    Nobody is saying the people cheering were child abusers, but certainly we were questioning their priorities, which I think is fair.

    Well, there's this:


    To: mamelukesabre
    I doubt they all are...but it does appear the boy raping fags are over represented in the pen state student body.

    Well then, the rest are either enablers or voyeurs.

    445 posted on 11/12/2011 9:34:24 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
    __________________________________________

    Seems pretty clear.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 12:28:09 PM PST · 539 of 565
    TomB to ROCKLOBSTER
    So why were you cheering? That sounds like idiocy to me.

    No, what is idiocy is accusing people cheering at a football game of being child abusers.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 12:03:40 PM PST · 530 of 565
    TomB to NittanyLion
    Can't say I can work myself into a lather over the somewhat immature worldview of college students...that's practically universal and expected.

    Agreed.

    The people at the game felt the crowd, considering there were almost 108,000 of them, behaved quite well.

    I must say the meeting at the center of the field and the talk/prayer by Husker asst. Ron Brown gave me chills. A real lesson for a lot of young men on the day.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 11:58:20 AM PST · 527 of 565
    TomB to KantianBurke
    For now. When the indictments begin coming down we’ll see how old Joe fares. I’d wager obstruction of justice, conspiracy after the fact and/or enabling of a felony.

    Based on what? The indictments with regard to the grand jury have already been handed down, and the AG of PA has stated that "Paterno is not a target of the investigation". Obviously more information could come to light, but considering pretty much everything we know is from the GJ report, I'm not sure what you are basing your statement on.

  • Nebraska 17, Penn State 14; Crowd Chants "We love JoePa."

    11/13/2011 11:37:26 AM PST · 521 of 565
    TomB to NittanyLion
    Hey Nit, tough week. Being in the area I've spoken to many, many PSU fans, and they all seem to be in a state of shock. I saw some last nite and none of them mentioned this cheer. Was it that loud? Could they have been in a section far enough away to not hear it?

    Nevertheless, I must say that the tone of a lot of the posters around recently caused me to do something I never thought I'd do, root for Penn State (ahem, at least for the Nebraska game ;-) ). I think the term "spittle-flecked" describes the tone of many around here rather nicely.

    Chin up.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/12/2011 9:41:59 AM PST · 314 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Then he might not have gotten that cherished WR coaching job?

    So by reporting Sandusky he was able to secure a coaching job. And by NOT reporting him he would NOT have gotten the job.

    Huh?

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 7:55:24 PM PST · 282 of 329
    TomB to little jeremiah
    If any normal person saw a child being raped and just walked away, it would haunt them for the rest of their life. Actually, anyone who saw a child being raped and just walked away is not normal. Andyone who doesn’t try to stop it is not normal. McQueary is not normal. There’s something wrong with his moral compass.

    Yep. And I say so (I said he was culpable), earlier in the thread.

    But what some don't realize is that while you guys are beating him up relentlessly and theorizing that "Victim #2" is dead, there would be no "Victim #2" or, most likely, no prosecution at all without McQueary. Don't you realize that?

    No, he didn't do what he morally should have done, but he did do something. That doesn't get him off the hook at all, but it should be noted.

    Would you rather he be indicted and have his attorney tell him to clam up? There goes his testimony.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 7:41:00 PM PST · 278 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Well, the, uh, question is based on a false premis and I have asked you to show a basis for that premis or STFU with your posts using that false premis.

    That's funny, you tried to answer the question previously, without the histrionics of "false premis (sic)!"

    Why is that?

    Nevermind, I'll rephrase the question yet again.

    Why didn't McQueary just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 7:10:09 PM PST · 266 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    I don't see a single weasel-word in my post. Either state the basis for your attack on me or STFU.

    Either answer the question or STFU!

    Why can't you answer a simple question?

    If McQueary is as bad/cowardly/deceitful as you imply, why didn't he just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 7:04:32 PM PST · 261 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Not playing games. You made a personal attack on me and I ask you to back it up. Your response was to make another accusation. First, you shouldn't make personal attacks and second, if you make one you should at least have a basis for the attack. Now go back and show your basis or STFU.

    I take it from your weasel-words here you're not going to answer my question.

    If you don't have an answer, just admit it. Squealing like a stuck pig about a "personal attack" (where?) and trying to change the subject is pretty pathetic.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 6:57:57 PM PST · 258 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    I never said McQueary was evil. Please stop making accusations that are not true. Thank you.

    Oh, for crying out loud. Why are you playing games?

    OK, if McQueary is as bad/cowardly/deceitful as you imply, why didn't he just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 6:47:29 PM PST · 250 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Uh dude. He was shaken up. Sometimes you just gotta talk to someone. Especially after looking into the eyes of a ten year old being raped and not doing anything about it...

    Quit avioding the question. If McQueary is as evil as you say, why didn't he just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 6:42:22 PM PST · 245 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Because his father told him to.

    I asked why he told ANYONE, including his father, when it obviously would have been easier to just walk away and ignore the whole incident.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 6:27:47 PM PST · 239 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    He talked to his Daddy. His Daddy told him to go to Joe and Joe would take care of everything ... and btw, make sure everyone knows you would really like the WR coaching job.

    You didn't answer the question. I didn't ask what he did. I asked why, if he is as evil as everyone says, why on earth did he say anything at all? He could have just walked away and ignored the situation and saved himself, and probably the university, a whole lot of trouble.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 6:18:07 PM PST · 230 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    I asked a question of you earlier, you must have missed it (again):

    That said, if McQueary is as evil as everyone says, why on earth did he say anything at all? He could have just walked away and ignored the situation and saved himself, and probably the university, a whole lot of trouble.
  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 5:56:33 PM PST · 216 of 329
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Uh, did you read the grand jury report? McQueary kept his mouth shut till the guys in the suits came knocking on the door ...

    You mean he was compelled to testify? I didn't read that in the GJ report. What page?

    Anyway, I posited a question earlier, you must have missed it:

    That said, if McQueary is as evil as everyone says, why on earth did he say anything at all? He could have just walked away and ignored the situation and saved himself, and probably the university, a whole lot of trouble.
  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 5:36:09 PM PST · 200 of 329
    TomB to NRG1973
    The truth of the matter is that if McQ was truly evil he could have asked Sandusky to set him up with a boy. Or he could have blackmailed Sandusky for money. But instead he reported the incident and trusted that the folks higher up would seriously investigate it.

    As I said, McQueary is undoubtedly culpable. But the braying by some on this thread (and numerous other threads) is bordering on pathological.

    Without McQueary I doubt there would be and indictments.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 5:22:48 PM PST · 191 of 329
    TomB to All
    Mike McQueary has a lot to answer for, and obviously his life will never be the same. But he has it immeasurably better that any of the kids who were raped.

    That said, if McQueary is as evil as everyone says, why on earth did he say anything at all? He could have just walked away and ignored the situation and saved himself, and probably the university, a whole lot of trouble.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 5:14:21 PM PST · 181 of 329
    TomB to Havisham
    It didn't work.

    They're too busy beating the dead horse.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/11/2011 4:12:50 PM PST · 341 of 341
    TomB to EyeGuy
    So Switzer is lying, just to get back at Paterno?

    Where did I say that?!

    No, Switzer is just giving his opinion and making sure he rubs as much salt in the wound as possible.

  • WiFi vs. 3G for Kindle E-Reader(vanity)

    11/11/2011 4:10:58 PM PST · 35 of 50
    TomB to Signalman
    Don't forget you can use your Kindle to browse the Net. If you click on "Menu", then go to "Experimental", you can choose "Web Browser". You can then enter a URL and go to any website you like. However, it really only works on text-based sites like blogs and twitter. But you get Web access absolutely free. You can't beat that.

    I was stuck at a Continuing Education course on Thursday and was following the Penn State mess on my Twitter feed.

    Now I just have to wait until Wednesday for my Kindle Fire. ;-)

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 3:57:51 PM PST · 116 of 329
    TomB to dfwgator
    And even the cops and the judges were in on it. Makes me question if going to the cops would have mattered.

    Well, having grown up in SC, and been close to others in the program when he was growing up, not to mention being in the program as a player, he would have known all about the State College Mafia.

    But then again. If I had been in his shoes, I would have taken the first job at another school I could have found.

  • McQueary placed on administrative leave

    11/11/2011 3:34:18 PM PST · 92 of 329
    TomB to Havisham
    Without McQueary, Homogate would still be a rumor.

    Mind if I amplify this?

    Without McQueary, Homogate would still be a rumor.

    He is that most rare of birds, a witness to a rape, and without him, Sandusky stands a chance of walking.

  • Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

    11/11/2011 4:20:54 AM PST · 809 of 830
    TomB to Colofornian
    Many of us FREEPERS have surmised that he is a state's witness who is turning evidence re: the star prosecution witness vs. the VP, the AD, and perhaps the PSU prez as well.

    This.

    He is the star witness. And he is being protected. If you go after him or fire him you run the risk of having his attorney become involved. What his attorney will immediately do is tell him to not say another word and the prosecution of Sandusky comes to a screeching halt.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 5:44:36 PM PST · 324 of 341
    TomB to ken5050
    FYI..just had Sportscenter on...theyhad a bunch of college coaches commenting on the Paterno mess. Barry Switzer had an AMAZING sgtatement..he said that coaches are a very closely knit grop on campus..everyone knows all about everyone else. He flat out said that a whole bunch of folks at PennState HAD to know for years all about Sandusky..

    Paterno and Switzer have a "history", and not a good one. Paterno was once asked about retiring, and he said he couldn't because"It would leave college football in the hands of the Jackie Sherrills and Barry Switzers". Ouch.

    It's just payback time.

  • Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

    11/10/2011 5:38:11 PM PST · 783 of 830
    TomB to conservativebabe
    How they still could stand the sight of Sandusky and be anywhere near him after hearing even an inclination of something like that, I’ll never understand.

    If you've been following this since Saturday (I live about an hour or so from campus, so its been pretty much 24-7 around here), you saw a gradual shift in the focus of the coverage from Sandusky to Paterno. And your statement above explains why that happened, and, I believe, why Paterno is gone right now.

    What is truly puzzling is that Paterno testified to the grand jury over a year ago, so he and school officials knew that this was happening, and that Paterno's statement would become public knowledge. But their response this week made it seem like they were caught completely off guard.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 5:03:03 PM PST · 313 of 341
    TomB to Palladin
    How can you type with your head in the sand?

    OK, what am I missing here? I already said that I want every person involved to be punished, but I also hope it doesn't get any bigger. If it does, so be it, get the monsters who have hurt the kids, and get each kid the help he needs.

    But what is wrong with hoping and praying that there are no more hurt kids?

    (yea, it's just a cut-and-paste of one of my earlier posts, but really, what's the use?)

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 3:03:43 PM PST · 291 of 341
    TomB to Scoutmaster
    So Mike McQueary had no excuse . . . but he had a lot of reasons.

    Here is a great article by someone who grew up in Happy Valley that discusses just how incestuous the situation was.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 1:42:27 PM PST · 278 of 341
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Your world is upside down.

    Couldn't find anything I wrote huh?

    I want every person involved to be discovered, caught and punished.

    I want every child and adult victimized to get all the help they need.

    I also hope and pray that the rumor of a much larger conspiracy, and thus more vicimized kids, is not true.

    What is so "upside down" about that?

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 1:37:30 PM PST · 274 of 341
    TomB to mware
    Tom, again I agree with you, but if there is a ring as we suspect, it is better to snuff the entire network out before more children can be destroyed by them.

    OK, what am I missing here? I already said that I want every person involved to be punished, but I also hope it doesn't get any bigger. If it does, so be it, get the monsters who have hurt the kids, and get each kid the help he needs.

    But what is wrong with hoping and praying that there are no more hurt kids?

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 1:33:44 PM PST · 273 of 341
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    You sound more and more like you would like this to just go away.

    Show me where I said ANYTHING approaching that.

    Why are you critizing those that are trying to get to the bottom of this?

    Who, a bunch of schlubs posting on a website? All you guys want is a bigger conspiracy.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 1:23:07 PM PST · 264 of 341
    TomB to mware
    I agree. Madden has had this story pegged for a long time. And he has a lot of connections in Happy Valley.

    That said, I'm praying the story is false. Too many kids have been hurt already. The fact that some here seem to be salivating over the possibility of a bigger conspiracy involving kids is just sick.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 1:15:02 PM PST · 259 of 341
    TomB to NewinTexsas
    Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil ...

    NO.

    I want to know the truth. I want every person involved to be punished. But I do NOT want there to BE any more victims.

    Understand?

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 1:13:20 PM PST · 258 of 341
    TomB to Wiser now
    Really?

    You responded to a post that stated "i hope list of rich donors will be revealed." by saying:

    A list of rich DEMOCRAT donors with household names.

    In order for there to be any sort of a "list" of people involved in a child prostitution ring, there has to be a child prostitution ring. And thus, more victims.

    I want this rumor to be false, I don't want there to be any more victims.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 12:49:50 PM PST · 251 of 341
    TomB to Eva
    You know this thing is getting uglier and uglier. Rush was saying that Sandusky was kind of a joke in College Station, that some ice cream store had a Sandusky special, which was an upside down double dip cone of banana flavored ice cream with the cone on the top.

    That isn't true. The Creamery had (since removed) a flavor named after Sandusky. The article had an incidental picture of a dish of ice cream as described. But it had nothing to do with the story.

    Here is the story:

    http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/05/penn-state-makes-a-banana-flavored-jerry-sandusky-ice-cream/

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 12:38:32 PM PST · 245 of 341
    TomB to Wiser now
    If the rumor is true, then there could be men molesting unprotected children right now. If so, they need to be stopped and punished.

    That's not the point.

    Why on Earth would you HOPE the rumor is true? I want nothing more that to find out there are no more victims and see the guilty (every one of them, including Paterno and McQueary) punished.

    Any caring human being would feel the same way.

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 12:32:57 PM PST · 241 of 341
    TomB to FoxPro
    The Sandusky "phallic symbol" ice cream dessert at the local creamery.

    Where in the story does it say that?

  • New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse

    11/10/2011 12:21:56 PM PST · 238 of 341
    TomB to gussiefinknottle; Wiser now
    i hope list of rich donors will be revealed.

    A list of rich DEMOCRAT donors with household names.

    Why, in the name of God, would someone wish to find out more children had been molested?!

    I'm hoping and praying that this rumor is just that. Not because I love Penn State, but because I don't want to find out that any more kids have been involved.

    That this sick.

  • Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

    11/10/2011 11:14:33 AM PST · 752 of 830
    TomB to RobertClark
    Let's assume we form lynch mobs based on media reporting about horrid subject matter - which this definitely is.

    Actually, that isn't quite true. Sandusky is on record as having admitted to the 1998 incident. He went to the mother's house and, while police listened from another room said that he hugged the boy while naked in the shower and that he knew it was wrong.

    Why Gricar chose not to prosecute is a mystery.

  • Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

    11/10/2011 10:46:41 AM PST · 743 of 830
    TomB to conservativebabe
    The grand jury report states that the grad asst. told Paterno “what he saw”. That’s it. Doesn’t say it was specific, doesn’t say it wasn’t. In the report McQueary describes in detail what he saw. So on it’s face if the report says he told Paterno what he saw we have to assume it was all of it. We don’t know that of course but the possibility exists that what Paterno was told and how he re-told it are two very different things.

    From the GJ report:

    “Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistants report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director and Paternos immediate superior to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

    That is pretty specific.

  • Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

    11/10/2011 10:21:10 AM PST · 735 of 830
    TomB to bjorn14; Norm Lenhart
    That isn't quite the way it happened. Let's make sure we get things as correct as possible. This is from the Harrisburg Patriot News:

    A few weeks before her son broke down and confessed to a principal at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County that he was being molested by Jerry Sandusky — a volunteer football coach at his high school — his mother began to suspect something was wrong.

    First, it was because her son was acting out. When she grounded him, she said Sandusky demanded he be able to “take care of it.”

    “I said, ‘No way, he’s my kid,’” she said.

    Then, her son began asking her about an online database for “sex weirdos.”

    “You don’t want to just accuse people of that,” the mother said. “I called the school principal and the guidance counselor and said, if nothing else, he’s taking my son out of classes. He’s leaving the school with him. ... So I asked them to call him into the office and ask [my son] how he felt.

    “They did call him to the office that day and I remember [the principal] was in tears and she said, ‘You need to come here right away.’”

    Her son, then 15, broke down and told them what happened.

    “They told me to go home and think about what I wanted to do, and I was not happy,” she said. “They said I needed to think about how that would impact my son if I said something like that. I went home and got [my son] and we came to [Children and Youth Services] immediately.”

    Officials at Central Mountain High School have said they immediately reported the abuse, and Attorney General Linda Kelly praised them for doing the right thing.

    So despite what the mother says, the school district did alert the authorities, and they were the ones the boy first broke the news to.

  • Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

    11/10/2011 4:36:17 AM PST · 601 of 830
    TomB to Norm Lenhart
    You are correct. I was basically condensing things as the AD was the claimed “legal authority” in question. I should have specifically stated it exactly as it really was. But the same still applies

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    It is also worth pointing out that after hearing the lurid details, and seeing that the university did nothing, Paterno still allowed Sandusky onto campus. He was there as late as last week

  • Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

    11/10/2011 4:10:11 AM PST · 594 of 830
    TomB to Norm Lenhart
    JP tells campus cop.

    NO.

    JoePa told the athletic director.

    The AD then went on to tell the man who oversaw the campus police, but was in no way involved with its running.

    Just clarifying.