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Posts by trubolotta

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  • Notice: The daily sport of posting Catholic bashing threads on FR stops today. Thanks.

    07/19/2015 4:35:54 PM PDT · 506 of 715
    trubolotta to PapaBear3625

    Thank you. I’m not attacking the idea of a religious leader but an “infallible” religious leader? Wasn’t that der Furher? I think we see eye to eye. I am a critic of religions that I believe have strayed from the bible. If that makes me a basher, my service to God is complete.

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    07/19/2015 4:31:05 PM PDT · 497 of 715
    trubolotta to Alas Babylon!

    I will. I just read the religion forum rules. What a joke, especially about what is hate and what is not. If I am wrong about anything that follows, I should leave FR and may.

    FR “apparently” stands by the Declaration of Independence (and more which I will cover later). Any religion that denies the principles of the Declaration are anathema and worthy of derision, scorn and ridicule. Is there any doubt that Muslims do not respect those principles? Christians, Catholics and Mormons do support those principles and as such are welcomed. So do Jews though Hindus and Buddhists raise some issues. Whether you believe in one God or many gods I could care a wit as long as you believe in absolutes of right and wrong. You can follow the Pope to your hearts desire UNTIL he speaks against our Declaration and Constitution. I don’t care who you pray to as long as at the end of the day, you respect my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as much as I respect your right to the same. If you speak against my rights, I will bash you with everything at my disposal.

    I am simply making the point that much religious doctrine is not an infringement on me, with some very notable exceptions. When it does infringe on me, I have the right of self-defense.

    On the issue of free speech on a private web site, it is more complicated. I wrote an article long ago titled “Not Heavenly Bound”. Basically, it was about how outraged the left was by anyone telling them they were going to hell. I said how absurd for people who don’t believe in hell to feel put upon by people who do. I then gave some examples of what might guarantee you were not going to heaven, but why worry if neither heaven nor hell exist.

    I’ll get to the speech issue but it would be nice to know fellow conservatives share my concern that we be just but not oppressive. More to come.

  • Notice: The daily sport of posting Catholic bashing threads on FR stops today. Thanks.

    07/19/2015 3:49:55 PM PDT · 434 of 715
    trubolotta to daniel1212

    I’m trying to follow what you are saying but it isn’t quite so cut and dry. Bashing can only exist where there is a principle of fairness based on honesty and an underlying principle of purpose. Daily reports of Islamic atrocities are commonplace here. Is that “bashing” Islam or is there an underlying principle that requires those atrocities be revealed? Someone may find a biblical passage they believe is related to prophecy and a pope - is that “bashing” or scholarship if their analysis is accurate? Is revealing the beliefs of Mormons that contradicts Old or New Testament scripture “bashing” of scholarship?

    I wish the rules were cut and dry but it seems to me that if someone makes an opinionated assertion based on selective facts, someone else has the right to dispute that. If this were a Muslim web site claiming to have American principles, would articles about ISIS beheadings and how those are good for America be permitted? This is a wormy issue and worthy of far more thought than given thus far.

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    07/19/2015 3:36:31 PM PDT · 403 of 715
    trubolotta to one Lord one faith one baptism

    I recall years ago, when I was on a school board and a negotiator with the teachers supervisors union, I was accused of teacher “bashing” because I opposed a 7% pay increase. It is a favorite liberal word to silence opposition. It requires no explanation ,no definition and no thought. It merely requires an accusation.

    I promised myself to get above that but I can see its an uphill battle, even with “principled conservatives” who won’t give you the time of day if it puts them on the spot to read their watches.

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    07/19/2015 3:24:24 PM PDT · 391 of 715
    trubolotta to Alas Babylon!

    This isn’t about me getting an answer. It is about respecting people who want to post and think “bashing” is totally inadequate to describe BANNED content. I respect an owners right to censor as long as they make their standard known to visitors so it doesn’t appear arbitrary. If it does appear arbitrary, I will leave anyway.

    I also stopped asking Jim for an answer since he has definitely decided my question was unworthy of his sweat and effort, but I did ask others for their thoughts. I would give mine but I was curious about what others may think and did not want to prejudice their answers.

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    07/19/2015 3:09:37 PM PDT · 357 of 715
    trubolotta to mlizzy

    You are evading the question. More importantly, you are evading an issue and definition that should separate us from liberals and not make us look the same.

    My comment, with or without asterisks stands!

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    07/19/2015 3:02:30 PM PDT · 346 of 715
    trubolotta to mlizzy

    That is exactly what liberals say - no need for details. We all know it when we see it even though some see differently.

    Pardon my French, but what a chickens**t position that is.

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    07/19/2015 2:53:37 PM PDT · 333 of 715
    trubolotta to hlmencken3
    Better to do away with the Religion Forum altogether.

    Absolutely and vehemently disagree. Conservatism uniformed and restrained by religion is the tyranny of the most base emotions of a mob with no moral beliefs, or worse, a tyrant ruling at will. Expunge the Judeo-Christian religion from conservatism and you expunge our sense of justice. Turn to atheism and you invite every injustice mortal men can invent for their own purpose.

    It is a difficult issue concerning fairness, but your answer may as well strip conservatism of principle. No principle, no conflicts. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

  • Notice: The daily sport of posting Catholic bashing threads on FR stops today. Thanks.

    07/19/2015 2:40:32 PM PDT · 306 of 715
    trubolotta to St_Thomas_Aquinas

    We are not in disagreement. A higher purpose would demand a better and fuller explanation. I don’t have it and don’t claim to have it. I was only hoping people would see that and drop that idiot liberal catch all to silence everyone who disagrees with you - bashing. Enough is enough from the left, but now conservatives? Come on people - we are better than this (or are we?)!

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    07/19/2015 2:18:11 PM PDT · 260 of 715
    trubolotta to Political Junkie Too

    I don’t recall starting a thread and when I do post, I try to be respectful of sincere differences that are not incompatible with my own though at difference. Example: Islam commands killing infidels, I reject that and label it the religion of Satan. Am I therefore a Muslim basher? Yes, I am and proud of it I’ll explain that more thoroughly when I respond to another post.

    I find what you are saying quite sensible but still lacking in a philosophical expression of principle. I think we are close and my intention was never a hostile engagement with Jim Robinson, though he is responding as if it were.

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    07/19/2015 1:36:51 PM PDT · 186 of 715
    trubolotta to Crim

    Why can’t you answer the question I asked?

    Do you “bash” Islam? Would you care to define “bash” so we are all on the same page?

    I did not ask you an easy question. In fact, I will admit I would have problems with it myself but you are evading the question. So is Jim Robinson and I would expect him more than anyone here to give that question some thought and an answer.

    I will not accept the “I know bashing when I see it.” Even a philosophical yet incomplete expression would be far better than the subterfuge.

  • Notice: The daily sport of posting Catholic bashing threads on FR stops today. Thanks.

    07/19/2015 1:21:49 PM PDT · 161 of 715
    trubolotta to Crim

    I asked the owner to define “bashing”. He has not. Would you like to try?

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    07/19/2015 1:16:38 PM PDT · 151 of 715
    trubolotta to wildbill

    In a movie theatre, I paid to watch the movie, not hear someone preach. This site is allegedly is about discussing conservative ideas, a good many of which are formed on faith. Without God, there can be no real conservatism. I firmly believe that. When the site decrees a rule that there shall be no “bashing” but can’t even express in third grade words what that means, I challenge the intellectual credentials of that site.

    We can have a discussion of religion here without animosity but clearly, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism et all are at odds with each other. Note that I did not differentiate between Protestants, Catholics, Mormons et aux because I believe in principle we are brothers in arms with common cause against forces that would deny free will. Is that not the common ground given us by one God?

    That being said however, A pope that pushes a statist agenda, socialism and authoritarian rule is no friend of any Christian. If Catholics cannot accept criticism of a pope, then perhaps it is they that need to find a place where critical thinking is far more restrained. If they want to defend papal infallibility as “God’s Word” and silence me for saying otherwise, then I will criticize them, “bashing” or not.

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    07/19/2015 12:57:24 PM PDT · 121 of 715
    trubolotta to Jim Robinson
    I’ve been upfront about where I stand. The Catholic bashing here got out of hand and I’m putting my foot down. If that’s too restrictive for your tastes, bug out. I’ve made my stand!

    You have not been upfront. I asked in about as many ways as possible for you to define "bashing" and you refuse. Like I said, I'm just a guest, trying to understand your intent and the best you can do is "bash" me.

    In all fairness, I may have missed threads you think illustrate the problem. Why is it so difficult for you to state the problem. Is it impossible?

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    07/19/2015 12:49:05 PM PDT · 113 of 715
    trubolotta to Moonmad27
    How about the Protestant-bashing threads by Catholics?

    I think the problem I have is that the liberal definition of "bashing" is being used, simply meaning anything you say about me that makes me look bad is "bashing". I had hoped to prompt Jim for a more thoughtful response that would exhibit principled thought that reasonable people could understand. Apparently, that response will not be forthcoming.

    Instead, I read that when the Pope is wrong the pope is wrong, but that is not "bashing".

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    07/19/2015 12:38:32 PM PDT · 98 of 715
    trubolotta to Jim Robinson

    Another dismissal and quite cowardly to boot. I probably agree with your purpose but your dismissive and smug attitude are something else. Can you express your “policy” in English, or are we supposed to be mind readers?

    Your post on this thread about the pope is where most criticism of Catholicism seems to go. I may have missed or skipped the unfair threads you have in mind but I always find it curious when a “conservative” must rely generalizations and innuendo to express a viewpoint.

    BTW, if God were not a part of FR, I would have left here just hours after discovering FR.

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    07/19/2015 12:19:41 PM PDT · 69 of 715
    trubolotta to Jim Robinson
    Have a great day.

    I'm not quite sure how to take that, but as a straight shooter I don't take it as a straight shot. I do not approve of spreading lies in any form about other people or their beliefs. I asked for a clarification which I think most thinking people would appreciate and honor. The best you could muster appears to be a dismissal. OK, if that is what you think. Hey, this is your place and I'm just a guest.

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    07/19/2015 12:04:40 PM PDT · 48 of 715
    trubolotta to Jim Robinson

    How unfortunate. While I consider deception and misrepresentation deplorable, I also consider the censorship of valid criticism equally deplorable. Why not stop “bashing” liberals, or Muslims, or queers if it is “bashing” that is the bad behavior? I have made my own posts critical of the actions and words of a pope and I shudder to think that is now “Catholic bashing” and deserving of censorship. If you want to proselytize and tell me what a wonderful guy the pope is, shutdown any criticism and call it “bashing” prevention, so be it.

    I would have hoped a more thoughtful explanation and policy were forthcoming. I say that as an ex-Catholic who accepts much church doctrine and little church hierarchy.

  • Meet two Americans whose money was stolen by the IRS

    07/19/2015 6:23:55 AM PDT · 4 of 12
    trubolotta to Sean_Anthony

    The GOPe could have made a lot of reforms but has done nothing and will do nothing in the future. Them and the Democrats are like two crime families fighting over territory. Anything that enhances control and plunder from that territory stays in place regardless of which gang takes over.

  • A Perfect Storm of Wrongs, Righted

    07/19/2015 6:13:12 AM PDT · 5 of 15
    trubolotta to IC Ken
    I must have missed the part where the violators went to jail?

    My thought as well. Government has immunized itself from meaningful punishment. Fining government with a goal toward restitution and damages, if it even happened in this case, is useful but the culprits have the taxpayers pickup the cost of their malevolence. In that respect, a Lois Lerner should be imprisoned and stripped of her pension.