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  • Luther would be horrified by the world he forged

    10/16/2017 11:02:24 PM PDT · 198 of 202
    unlearner to vladimir998; Claud; metmom

    “those were PROTESTANTS fleeing PROTESTANTS”

    The difference is that I know of no Protestants anywhere advocating and justifying such crimes done in the name of Christ, whether by Protestants or Catholics. No one here is justifying torturing people for disagreeing with their theology, except you. To justify your theology, which begins with the a priori premise that the Catholic Church can do no wrong, you must therefore either deny that official representatives of the Church ever did such deeds. Or you must justify that such deeds are lawful and approved by God. And you have chosen the latter.

    Jesus prophesied about people like those Catholics who murdered Tyndale:

    John 16:2
    They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.

    I missed where Jesus or the apostles prophesied of the day when His disciples would one day rise up have have heretics (or so you say) burned at the stake. Would you kindly point me to that passage of scripture?

    “Not all Catholics did either. And?”

    Not all Catholics have a religious view that allows them to nonchalantly discuss burning men alive for disagreeing with their theology. And not all go posting on public forums that there is nothing wrong with this.

    But you do.

    Like the religious leaders who killed the prophets, the followers of Christ, and Christ Himself.

    You’re position is on par with a KKK member telling black people that their ancestors getting lynched and their women being raped was fine because they had it coming. The only difference is that you advocate such a position in the name of Jesus.

    The beliefs you advocate do not belong on a conservative forum. This forum is for people who believe in freedom of religion, not coercing people with the threat of torture.

    You actually justified burning people alive for disagreeing with your theology. Correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t want to accept that anyone on this forum could hold such a belief.

    You seem to be saying the men who did this did nothing wrong.

    I find it hard to believe my own eyes. I must go back and check if that really did happen, here on a conservative, pro-Christian forum. Yes, indeed it did:

    “Actually he was executed for his heresy...” in #185.

    Wait. No. There are actually two of you advocating this:

    “Tyndale...was condemned because his translation was heretical...” in #48.

    Did the founders of this country get the first amendment wrong? Do we need to get enough Catholics in office to amend and correct it to reflect that the Roman Catholic Church is the only state-sanctioned religion? Do we need to also make an exception for the “cruel and unusual punishment” in cases of “heresy” against the Holy Roman Empire?

    Is this part of the Catholic “tradition” you’ve been boldly proclaiming, that goes all the way back to Christ and the apostles?

    It’s strange, I never read of Christ or the apostles doing such things. Reminds me more of modern-day Islamic terrorism.

  • Luther would be horrified by the world he forged

    10/16/2017 9:31:12 AM PDT · 188 of 202
    unlearner to vladimir998

    “can easily be applied to Protestants”

    All Protestants? Not all Protestants murdered and tortured people. Some of them fled here which led to the enshrinement of religious liberty and the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment into our Constitution.

    Thank God for those Protestants. And if it weren’t for them, those same murdering religious groups would still be doing so today. The Protestants who fled here had to flee both the Catholic Church and the Church of England.

    Thank God that at least one great nation was not dominated by the religious institution based in Rome. Because the nations in South and Central America did not have the Protestant beliefs that prevented Socialism from being embraced here (so far). When this nation was formed, there were less than 2% Roman Catholics here.

    “Thousands of Bibles were approved by local bishops. I even came across a certificate from a local bishop approving a translation of the bible that was possessed by a lay person.”

    Yeah. Those were the early reformers. Men like John Wycliffe. Like I said, if it weren’t for the Reformation, the common people would have never received the word of God in their native tongue.

    You want to claim credit to yourself and your religious institution for the contributions of the apostles, the early church fathers, and reformers who were calling the church to repentance. Yet you identify yourself, not with reformers like Tyndale, but with the murderous clergy.

    You are just exactly like the religious leaders of Jesus’s days on earth. They claimed a special authority and place in God’s kingdom. But they despised the message of repentance from John the Baptist, Christ, and the apostles. And they wanted to kill them all. The religious leaders considered these servants of God to be heretics, just like you and the wicked men you justify did. Just read their haughty words.

    Luke 13:14
    But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.”

    This wicked clergyman tried to dictate to God and the Son of God when they could work. The religious leaders were filled with fury because Jesus did not follow their traditions. They attacked the ones Jesus healed and excommunicated them. They attacked Jesus, calling Him insane and demonic. They plotted to kill Him and Lazarus because He raised Lazarus from the dead, causing many to believe on Him. The biggest clergyman of them all, the pope of Jewry, said, “One man should die for the people that the whole nation perish not.” And they followed his counsel, sending Jesus to the Roman authorities to be crucified.

    Matthew 15:6b-9
    You have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.
    Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
    “These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
    And honor Me with their lips,
    But their heart is far from Me.
    And in vain they worship Me,
    Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.”

    They elevated their tradition to have authority equal to scripture, but they hated the Word of God because it contradicted and disproved the lawfulness of their traditions. And it is the same with you and your religious institution.

    John 9:24, 28, 29, 34
    So they again called the man who was blind, and said to him, “Give God the glory! We know that this Man is a sinner.”
    Then they reviled him and said, “You are His disciple, but we are Moses’ disciples. We know that God spoke to Moses; as for this fellow, we do not know where He is from.”
    They answered and said to him, “You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?” And they cast him out.

    “Actually [Tyndale] was executed for his heresy.”

    That’s a disgusting claim. I’ve seen the videos of the woman who nonchalantly discusses dismembering the babies she kills so she can get herself an expensive sports car. She speaks in detached, clinical terms, just like you. You actually justify burning a man alive because he disagrees with your man-made traditions. His beliefs and deeds were based on the word of God and in support and defense of the word of God. These wicked “Catholics” who are now in the fiery torment of Hell, had him burned alive in their vicious, demonic efforts to stop people from hearing the word of God in their own language.

    But you treat this torture and murder as acceptable and normal. When did Jesus torture and murder anyone? When did the apostles? When did the early church fathers? No, you got that tradition from the real lineage of your heretical religious institution: from the Pharisees who murdered Jesus. And they got it from the apostate Jews who murdered God’s prophets (who were faithful Jews), just as Jesus told them. And they all got it from their father the Devil. They followed their father and their traditions, just as you do.

    Matthew 23:29-35
    Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, and say, “If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.” Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    “It is clear Tyndale held beliefs no one before his generation ever held so only he could be the heretic.”

    His tradition was to give people the word of God, not hide and obscure it and try to be gatekeepers of it. It was the same among the religious leaders of Jesus’s earthly ministry. He did the same deeds as righteous men did throughout history. His murderers did the deeds that the phony religious leaders and false prophets did throughout history. They followed the murderous way of Cain who killed his brother Able because Able’s service to God was good, but Cain’s was rejected by God. These are the ones Christ and the apostles warned the real Church to beware of: ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing, deceivers coming in Christ’s name, murderers who follow the way of Cain.

    Yes, Tyndale deviated from your murderous traditions which you and your religious institution got from the Christ-murdering religious leaders, the false prophets, and their father, the Devil.

    Luke 11:52
    Woe to you lawyers [experts in the Law of Moses]! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.

    Acts 7:52
    Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers.

    John 8:33a, 37
    They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants...” [Jesus replied], “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.”

    John 8:39, 44a
    They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham... You are of your father the devil.”

    Matthew 3:7-9
    But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.”

    Matthew 7:15
    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

    Jude 11a
    Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain.

    1 John 3:10-12
    In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

  • Luther would be horrified by the world he forged

    10/15/2017 10:12:53 PM PDT · 180 of 202
    unlearner to Claud

    “Tyndale... was condemned because his translation was heretical, not because it was made at all. English Bibles were made before his time, and after it, with the approval of the Church.”

    What English Bibles did the Roman Catholic Church approve before Tyndale’s?

    Tyndale was martyred for his faith in 1536.

    The ones who condemned him to be burned at the stake were the heretics. And they did what heretics will sometimes do: murder and torture God’s elect. Satan did it. Cain did it. Ahab and Jezebel did it. The Pharisees did it. And the clergy of the Church of Rome did it.

    The first Rome-approved English Bible I have heard of was in 1582. Let me know if Rome was busy getting the scriptures in the English-speaking commoners hands before they had Tyndale killed. Because I would like to learn more of that. In my thinking, there never would have been an English translation of the Bible without the Reformation.

    God made eternal promises to Israel, the descendants of Abraham. Yet the clergy of Jesus’s day misappropriated them. Jesus acknowledged they were “Abraham’s seed,” yet He also called them children of the Devil. God never forsook Israel or broke His promises to them, yet He did move outside of their authority structure in His work. So Paul says “God did not cast off His people whom He foreknew.” And, he uses his own salvation as an example of God’s faithfulness to His promises. Paul being saved was proof God did not abandon Israel. Yet He did scatter Israel to the four winds.

    Likewise, God promised to preserve and protect His Church. And He did. There has never been a generation in which there was no Christian church made up of true believers in Christ. But God took His elect away from the grip of a wicked, Rome-centered hierarchy and restored His elect to learning from Him and about Him by His word under the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit who Jesus said would show us all things. (John 14:26)

    That is what the Reformation is about.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 7:27:15 PM PDT · 89 of 99
    unlearner to SaveFerris

    “You were using the Koran as proof.”

    Why do you keep repeating lies?

    You are repeating a complete and total fabrication even after your claim has already been proven false. My citation of the Koran was a purely historical reference, not theological. You called it using the Koran as a “proof text.” This means you are a very poorly educated man who does not know the meaning of “proof text” but chooses to use it in a sentence without bothering to look it up, or you are a liar, or both. Since you won’t bother to look it up, I’ll post the definition here:

    “proof text
    noun
    a passage of the Bible to which appeal is made in support of an argument or position in theology.”

    https://www.google.com/search?q=proof+text

    Or maybe you thought you could be sneaky by dropping the word “text” from your current post. But your original lie is posted here for all to see. Besides that, it makes your claim meaningless. It is like saying, “You used the word Koran in your statement, and it is therefore false.” It is total lunacy. I used it no differently than any other user of this forum has, including you. No one on this forum, that I’ve seen, has ever quoted the Koran as the basis of a theological position. It demonstrates false theology and a historical record of the beliefs of Muslims.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3595173/posts?page=74#74

    You have in these few short threads managed to demonstrate the embodiment of lies, ignorance, stupidity, and religious hypocrisy. But, as if that were not enough, you combine all of these with stopping your ears, ordering others not to talk any more, and demonstrating total incompetence of the subject at hand while simultaneously exerting extreme confidence. This is a really bad combination in case you did not realize it.

    I proved my point conclusively from the Bible, NOT the Koran, in post #47:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3595173/posts?page=47#47

    I’ve already answered your lie in post #80:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3595173/posts?page=80#80

    It’s not shocking when atheists, homosexuals, abortionists, and Muslims attack someone for proclaiming the word of God. But it is shocking when people who wrap themselves in the mantle of Christianity do so.

    I have shared the word of God. I have proclaimed the love of Christ who died for the sins of the world. And your response is to shut up and “go away.”

    You are phony. You claim to follow Christ but insult His word, His sacrifice, His followers.

    It’s funny that when I hoped to reach out to Muslims with the Gospel by engaging in a conversation about spiritual matters, none of them attacked the way you do.

    You must really be hell-bent on hiding the Gospel from the lost and attacking anyone who might care to share it with them.

    There have been many religious people, ones who claimed to follow Christ, who have murdered real Christians. Some, filled with hatred for real Christians and the word of God, have had real Christians burned at the stake. So I guess I should not be surprised when someone like you throws bitter insults in response to the word of God.

    If you are someone who has truly repented of sin and trusted Christ, you should take some time to pray and ask Him whether what I am saying is true. Stop clinging to your wicked pride. Stop hardening your heart to truth and Biblical correction.

    John 3:16
    For God so loved the WORLD [emphasis added] that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

    John 13:20
    Most assuredly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.

    Proverbs 9:8
    Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;
    Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.

    Acts 7:54
    When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth.

    Revelation 3:19
    As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 5:05:51 PM PDT · 86 of 99
    unlearner to SaveFerris

    “You know for somebody who believes in not pushing things on people, you just keep pushing.”

    Making a case using logic and reason on an open forum where public debate and discussion is encouraged, does not constitute “pushing things on people.” I wonder if a person who holds such views thinks Free Republic exists simply as a soap box for his opinions only.

    “We will agree to disagree. Can you deal with that?”

    I’m just pointing out the facts. If a person doesn’t like them, that is not my problem, but that person’s. So, sure I can “deal with that.” Can the person who asked this deal with it himself?

    “After I said enough.”

    Is a person supposed to have the first word and the last word, also? Why? Just because such a person asserts so?

    If it is “enough,” then the person who said so should feel free stop posting any time. Otherwise, that person should not get offended if he ends up being labeled a “hypocrite.”

    I was polite enough not to call the person a liar when that person clearly lied about my position. I gave that person a way to gracefully exit and admit that he misstated my position. Or he could have just walked away from the conversation and made no further comment.

    Instead he just keeps doubling down.

    Maybe this person should quit while he is ahead and stop posting when he has decided that he’s had enough.

    That person posted that the Muslim’s “allah” is Satan. He started this discussion. And now that he can’t have his way, he throws a temper tantrum.

    It seems my question about whether Jesus died for Arabic speaking people triggered this person. Or maybe it was calling him on the lie where he claimed I used the Koran as a proof text.

    I have not wronged this person in any way at all. If so, he should feel free to show me. Otherwise such a person should not publicly proclaim a devotion to Jesus while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge that He died for the sins of the world, including Arabic speaking people. That’s what the debate over the “Allah” title is ultimately about. And this person needs to make some changes so that his words and actions line up with his Christian profession. Because right now, they do not.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 3:50:53 PM PDT · 80 of 99
    unlearner to SaveFerris

    “I’d like to point out you’re using the Koran for part of your proof-text.”

    Do you really believe what you just posted?

    The existence of the Koran is simply an observable fact.

    Nothing in any of my posts AGREES with the Koran.

    So that’s not using it as a proof text.

    If you claim to be a follower of Jesus, then you should recognize that He died for Arabic speaking people, people born in Islamic-controlled nations like Iraq, and even those who are part of false religious systems like Islam.

    You are privileged to not be among these groups. But don’t you consider that they need to hear about Jesus? Do you believe that they can only come to Jesus if they first learn English or immigrate to the US?

    I think you know better but have just not thought through your position.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 3:20:56 PM PDT · 76 of 99
    unlearner to Eleutheria5

    “If we discuss religion too much, we will descend into eternal flaming. Let’s stick with politics.”

    I understand. I’ve had my share of those threads. Sometimes people feel compelled to persuade others to their view. I can relate, as I have a passion for the truth. But the reality is that at some point persuasion can turn into coercion. And a person’s faith is not real if it is coerced. And, to me, this is the worst aspect of what drives modern-day jihad. It basically justifies nearly any action in order to force people to change their beliefs. Regardless of one’s faith, I think nearly everyone can see the poetic justice of what is happening to ISIS.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 3:06:15 PM PDT · 72 of 99
    unlearner to SaveFerris

    “Hey if you want to go with that. it’s all up to you.”

    No, that’s not how facts work. That’s how psychosis works. But facts get in the way of things being however we prefer to imagine them.

    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” — John Adams

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 3:01:13 PM PDT · 71 of 99
    unlearner to FreedomStar3028

    “I thought the Bible made it clear that Angels did not have free will.”

    That’s funny. There are a few things that are very clear in the Bible. And there are many things that are very difficult to understand. But I would not even begin to know where such an idea of angels having no free will originated.

    “Then Satan and his Angel pals were created for the purpose of being a antagonistic force.”

    Impossible. God is not the author of evil.

    How would God hold anyone accountable for actions for which they are not responsible, but He is?

    It is because we and angels ARE accountable for our actions that they carry moral weight.

    Would a just God cast Satan into a place of torment forever because Satan did exactly what God made him to do?

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 2:54:01 PM PDT · 68 of 99
    unlearner to SkyPilot

    “Ferris is correct that the current ‘allah’ being worshipped is really Satan. The acts and atrocities done in the name of the Islamic ‘god’ are the most evil on the planet.”

    I agree. My only point is to advocate caution about insulting the title of the true God. Muslims do not know the true God. And the Islamic jihadists are serving Satan, even if they say they are serving God. This is no reason to insult God.

    “I don’t follow your logic at all.”

    “Jesus” is the English word Christians use to identify Jesus Christ. We refer to the Creator as “God.” “God” and “Jesus” are exclusively English words. In other languages, billions of people identify as Christian but most do not use these words for God or Jesus. It would be wrong for those who do not speak English to insult the name of Jesus or God because of some phony Christian cult that did evil things. For example, let’s suppose some “Christian” cult had missionaries in Asia and they were kidnapping and selling children into slavery. Obviously, these people would not truly represent Jesus. But we would take offense if the news forums there said hateful and disgusting things against “Jesus” because of what these people did.

    If the Asian people there said that these people did not serve God or Jesus, but the Devil, we would agree. But if they said “Jesus is the Devil” we would disagree.

    Your experience is that everyone who calls God “Allah” is a wicked person. But you should be aware that Arabic speaking Christians and Jews call God “Allah.” Jews have been living in Arabic speaking lands since before the time of Christ.

    God, the one true God, was called “Allah” long before Islam existed or even the English title for God existed.

    “Even in Pre-Islamic Arabia, all variations of ‘Allah’ were pagan. None of those peoples worshipped the one and true God. In fact, there is more evidence that ‘allah’ is really Ba’al.”

    You are simply wrong about this. God is the one who divided the nations and languages. This is under His divine power and control. And He has always preserved a witness to Himself in every language. Every language has a word for God. It is instinctive for all people everywhere to know there is a God.

    Arabic speaking Jews lived in these regions since before the time of Christ. The Christian Gospel was preached to them beginning on the very day the church began. Just because many people practice false religion and idolatry does not mean that no true worshippers exist. That assertion is demonstrably false.

    The Biblical support for this is limitless. This is not some simple proof-text or opinion. It is a Biblical fact. Those who disagree are simply ignorant. And the solution to that is learning. We don’t get to invent the facts or history because of our own personal preferences, like, dislikes, hates, etc. Approaching knowledge of these matters this way is a type of psychosis. This is reality. It is not what we prefer things to be like, but the way they are. The fact is that a huge religion has formed around misrepresenting God by invoking His correct Arabic title of “Allah.”

    God has PROMISED to redeem to Himself a chosen and saved people out of EVERY language and nationality. This includes Arabic speaking people. This includes people out of every predominantly Muslim nation. He is is in charge. Not Satan. Not the Islamists. God is in charge.

    The title for God in Arabic is, was, and has always been in recorded history, “Allah.” The evidence that supports this is that the written Bible of Arabic speaking Christians and Jews always identify God as “Allah.” You can not find a single, solitary, historical example of the scriptures being translated into Arabic in some other way.

    The Koran has numerous references to Christians and Jews. Muhammad was very familiar with the monotheism represented by the Christians and religious Jews. The Koran never mentions some other title for God that Christians and Jews were using rather than “Allah.” This makes it very obvious that Islam did not borrow the title of God from some moon-worshipping cult. He used the same title that all Arabic speakers, including Christians and Jews, were using, which is “Allah.”

    Revelation 7:9-10
    After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

    There are Arabic speaking Christians who have watched their children murdered and then be murdered themselves rather than renouncing Jesus and His Father, who we call “God”, but they (the faithful Christians) call “Allah” just like the ones who murdered them.

    The Jews, such as Paul (who was Saul before becoming a Christian himself), who killed the Christians of the early church also claimed to be followers of God. They used the same word for God as the ones they were killing. Just because people misrepresent God, does not justify insulting and blaspheming God.

    Knowing that God has promised to save Arabic speaking people, Christians need to face the reality that the Gospel must be preached to them in their language. And that Gospel is going to have to refer to God by His correct Arabic title which is “Allah.” If that is not the case, then please tell me how the Gospel must be preached to Arabic speakers.

    Are you going to claim that the Arabic speaking Christians who were martyred for their faith by ISIS were not real Christians because they used the Arabic word for God? Would you demand that God not let these martyrs into Heaven because they did not comply with English-speaking westerners who insists they must use some non-Arabic title for God such as “YHWH, Elohim, or Adonai?” Did you have to learn some Greek and Hebrew before you could become a Christian? Or did God receive you as an English speaker who knew Him as God and His Son as Jesus Christ?

    The importance of understanding that the Gospel is to ALL people of every language and nation is ESSENTIAL to the Gospel. It is non-negotiable. No one has to convert their nationality or language to be receive by God.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 1:26:47 PM PDT · 54 of 99
    unlearner to Eleutheria5

    “I totally reject the idea prevalent among some Christians that Satan is an anti-G-d who is at war with the Creator and a threat to Him. That flies in the face of monotheism imho. But the Islamic idea about the afterlife for mujaahidiin being one big [orgy] are beyond the pale.”

    I agree. Satan is no anti-God. There is only one God, the Creator. Satan is a created being, or at the very least formed from a created being. Perhaps a perverted form of something once good.

    Jesus described Satan as a murderer and liar “from the beginning” which I take to be a reference to the 6-day creation and forming of the world and living things. But Jesus also said that Satan “abode not in the truth” which I take to mean that he at least knew the truth and was not created evil. Evil was a choice for Satan.

    We see in the Hebrew scriptures that Satan did not really want to discuss Job with God, and he could not harm Job because God protected him. So Satan was only able to attack Job by first getting permission from God. This makes it clear that Satan has not the slightest amount of power against God.

    I’ve always wondered about the strange idea of paradise for Muslims. Seems like they are describing something that would be hell for women at least. Not much different from how they make their societies in the present, never mind the afterlife.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 1:02:04 PM PDT · 47 of 99
    unlearner to SaveFerris

    “It was never a name for God in the Scriptures. Not once.”

    That’s incorrect.

    “Allah” is Arabic. The original scriptures were not Arabic or English. (In fact, English did not even exist.) The Bible was originally Hebrew and Greek.

    So “God” is only in our English Bibles because that is the English title for God. In Arabic Bibles, both Jewish and Christian translations, “Allah” is always used when referring to God by His title.

    Furthermore, “Allah” has been the Arabic title for God long before there was an English Bible or English title for God. (He was also called “Allah” in Arabic long before Islam existed.) There were Arabs present when the Church began on the day of Pentecost nearly two millennia ago. On that day, it appears that only Jews were present, but many were from remote regions and had various primary languages. Some of these Jews spoke Arabic. And, as far as history can tell us, “Allah” was the word they used for God all the way back then.

    That being the case, God would have been referred to on the very day the Church came into existence as “Allah” in the hearing of those who were natively Arabic speakers.

    Acts 2:4-12
    And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”

    Pay particular attention to the word “Arabs” above. What was the native word for God to these Jewish people? If you look at the Arabic translations of Old Testament scriptures, you will find that it is “Allah.”

    So, on the day of Pentecost, the day the Church began, the day when the Holy Spirit came, followers of Christ proclaimed God’s message of salvation and was heard by these Jews in their native languages. One of those languages appears to be Arabic. This means when they heard about God, the word used to identify God to them was “Allah.”

    This is why it is important for Christians to be careful about mocking “Allah.” Islam did not invent “Allah.” They simply commandeered His title like all false religions do.

    I’m sure you recognize that not all who identify themselves as “Christian” are true followers of Jesus. But you also recognize that it would be wrong to mock Jesus because of those who misrepresent Him. Jesus is also only the English name for the Savior. The sounds we make when pronouncing His name are not the same sounds that people used when they called Him by His name back then. So, hopefully you can appreciate why I am addressing the importance of not maligning the title “Allah,” not out of respect for the false religion of Islam, but out of respect for the one, true God.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 12:07:03 PM PDT · 41 of 99
    unlearner to SaveFerris; American in Israel; SkyPilot; Roman_War_Criminal; Eleutheria5

    “Guess they found out ‘allah’ is actually Satan.”

    Allah is the Arabic name for God. Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians use the same title because it is the only word for God in that language. In fact, Jews and Christians who spoke Arabic long before Islam existed referred to God in Arabic as “Allah.”

    Perhaps by referring to “allah” with a lower-case first letter, you may be correctly identifying that Islam’s deity is not the true God or even true “Allah” if we were to say it in Arabic.

    The only clarification I would add to your statement is that it is “their ‘allah’.” Clearly they, like many religious people, serve a god who is not the true God.

  • Once promised paradise, IS fighters end up in mass graves

    10/15/2017 11:55:22 AM PDT · 37 of 99
    unlearner to Kaslin

    “jihadists lie in mass graves or at the mercy of wild dogs”

    How appropriate. Their bodies can be converted into dog flesh and dog feces. And what’s left can be part of an unmarked grave.

    Just as Trump said in his speech last week, more has been done in the first nine months of his administration to defeat ISIS than was done during the entire Obama administration.

  • Collins: Bannon's rhetoric about McConnell 'not helpful'

    10/15/2017 11:43:52 AM PDT · 20 of 68
    unlearner to Mariner

    Collins confirms again that RINOs are unwilling to get the real message. They are as politically tone-deaf and the Democrats.

    Trump’s election was a message to Washington that most citizens of this nation are fed up and are demanding change. Not phony lip service. Not business as usual. Not sound bites.

    When we say we want Obamacare repealed, that’s what we mean.

    When we say we want a border wall and a pro-America immigration policy that includes enforcement, that’s what we mean.

    We want action. Not words.

    If the RINOs want to keep their jobs, they need to announce they finally get this and are changing their ways, and then DO IT!

    Otherwise be prepared to leave office. If you won’t do the job you were elected to do, we will find someone who will.

  • Bannon: Trump will win reelection with '400 electoral votes'

    10/15/2017 11:16:36 AM PDT · 95 of 114
    unlearner to BobL

    “pretty tepid ‘endorsement’”

    Perhaps, but in that tight election, it might have turned enough voters to make the difference. We can’t know for sure. I was as upset as anyone over his choice not to endorse Trump at the convention. That was stupid. But he recanted. And Trump won. And Cruz is supporting Trump’s agenda, which turns out to be a conservative agenda just as he said it would be. And the opposite of what Cruz predicted.

    Our legislature if full of Democrats and Democrats posing as Republicans, all of which push baby-killing abortion, paying for this with tax dollars, allowing Planned Parenthood to sell the body parts of murdered babies to researchers, and penalizing anyone who speaks out against this with punishments up to and including imprisonment.

    They also promote sexual perversion. They let homosexuals be foster parents and adopt children who are then at minimum subject to the obscenity of their “parents’” perversion but more likely other types of abuse. And they want to punish those who oppose this with fines, job loss, destroying private businesses, and even jail.

    Death threats against people who oppose these things are common.

    We have a small number of legislators who stand up for conservative principles when their vote actually counts. Cruz is one of them.

    But unfortunately we have some FOOLS on this forum who just can’t stop bashing one of the few people who can be counted on to do the right thing when it comes time to vote.

    It’s no better than the hand-wringers who whine about whether something Trump says is polite. When we can put an end to the tyrannical socialism, the forcing of perversion on society, the government approved murder of babies, then I’m interested in discussions about politeness, manners, and civility. The left deserves none of those things. And, we know from experience they don’t work.

    If you think you can do better than Cruz, then run for office and show us. Otherwise stop insulting Cruz, unless you want to be called out for it. You are becoming nothing more than a foot soldier who, because of a personal grudge, decides to direct his weapon at a fellow soldier in a fox hole in the muddle of a battle. That’s not even friendly fire. It’s dereliction of duty. Stop it.

  • Bannon: Trump will win reelection with '400 electoral votes'

    10/15/2017 9:38:24 AM PDT · 92 of 114
    unlearner to BobL

    “I was only pointing out the fact that Cruz cost Trump MILLIONS OF VOTES, possibly enough to make up for California...by not endorsing Trump.”

    Cruz allowed his emotions to get in the way of doing the right thing and endorsing Trump at the convention, but he eventually recanted.

    On 9/23/2016, Cruz endorsed Trump:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/politics/ted-cruz-endorses-donald-trump/index.html

    “A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don’t want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.”

    Of course, most of us Cruz supporters had already made up our minds to vote for Trump. Trump was always my number 2 choice. But I can see now that he was the best candidate from the start.

    At first, as the result of being burned over and over by politicians in the past, I found it difficult to be enthusiastic for someone who did not have a proven track record. Trump surprised me by not being the typical politician who moves more “centrist” (aka left) after getting the nomination. And that boosted my confidence in him greatly. Now we see he is a man of his word, doing what is right in the face of vicious opposition and betrayal.

    So many politicians make empty promises on the campaign trail, only to break them once they’re elected. Cruz was an exception to that rule. Trump is also.

    Cruz was wrong about TPP and about the Constitutionality of banning Muslim immigrants. He also made some very foolish choices during the presidential primaries, such as insulting Trump when Trump suggested the possibility of Cruz being his Vice President.

    Trump has been on the right track on almost everything. And the rare cases where he has made mistakes, he has adapted and corrected them.

  • We’re all racist. But racism by white people matters more

    10/14/2017 10:07:14 PM PDT · 48 of 109
    unlearner to 2ndDivisionVet

    The great thing about racial, ethnic, and nationality differences is that a loving God is in control of these things. He is our Creator and the one who determines where and when each of us is brought into this world.

    Those who have been privileged to be born into the United States should be very grateful for our freedoms and opportunities to prosper. A large percentage of the world, still to this day, does not enjoy these freedoms and opportunities, and would give anything to be here.

    Black Americans should thank God for letting them be descendants of slaves which led to them being born here rather than Africa where slavery still exists. They should be grateful for not being born into a Muslim home in a Muslim nation where freedom of religion does not exist. Same with China, North Korea, and many places in the world.

    God let His chosen people, Israel, be enslaved so that He could accomplish His own will and purposes. He let His servant Joseph be sold by his brothers into slavery, let him go to prison based on false accusations and for doing the right thing, and he was forgotten there in prison. But God then transformed these circumstances to raise Joseph up to be one of the most powerful rulers on earth. He used Joseph to rescue his own family from famine, along with many others. And most of all, God’s name was glorified because of what He did through Joseph’s faith and obedience.

    A large percentage of “blacks” in the US are descendants of slaves AND slave owners. Should they be bitter at their own foreparents? Some blacks—men like Obama—are not descendants of slaves but of slave traders. Are these men who deserve special sympathy because of slavery? Is skin color the sole determination of guilt and innocence? How about the majority of whites who never owned slaves? How about whites who were slaves themselves? How about whites who were poor sharecroppers, struggling just like everyone else to survive? How about whites who died fighting to free slaves? How about the fatherless children of these men?

    Lies are keeping black people trapped in a different kind of slavery today. Jesus taught that the truth will set you free.

  • Bannon: Trump will win reelection with '400 electoral votes'

    10/14/2017 9:39:21 PM PDT · 44 of 114
    unlearner to dragnet2

    Well Bannon has sense enough to know that Trump needs legislators like Cruz. As many as he can get.

    And Texas conservatives are going to send Cruz back again. We need to get rid of the RINOs, not the conservatives.

  • Bannon: Trump will win reelection with '400 electoral votes'

    10/14/2017 9:36:39 PM PDT · 43 of 114
    unlearner to BobL

    “he would have won 400 EV this election had not CRUZ and a large number of NeverTrumpers all but endorsed Hillary”

    Exactly when do the Cruz haters plan to bury the hatchet?

    Trump won with a lot of help from Cruz supporters.

    Cruz was the most solid conservative running. He has a proven track record.

    Now it turns out that Trump is building a similarly conservative track record by keeping his promises.

    Trump got over Cruz very quickly, but certain people seem to be obsessed with attacking him.

    Time to wake up out of your hypnotic spell. The election is over. It is time to work together. Cruz supports Trump’s agenda. This is why he is the ONLY senator up for reelection that Bannon will support.

    If we could replace all the RINOs with conservatives like Cruz, Trump would probably get every single thing he wants done in a timely fashion. And Obamacare would have been history during his first few weeks in office.