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  • What Really Happened to TWA Flight 800?

    07/17/2002 10:50:03 AM PDT · 17 of 61
    VectoRama to Dukie
    Yes, here's some details from Insight on the pellets embedded in some Flight 800 victims...

    According to Stalcup, "More than that, we have information that shows that 20 unusual .2-inch-diameter round pellets that were found in bodies were withheld from the NTSB but analyzed by the FBI and found to have been made of aluminum titanium matrix and other elements like zirconium, barium and cerium. These are pyrotechnics or incendiary devices, and the matrix structure of these objects is consistent with pellets used in antiaircraft missiles."

    The FIRO chairman continues: "In fact, I found a quote in National Defense magazine that was referring to warheads that said 'pellets imbedded in titanium matrix' are used in antiaircraft warheads. The 'secret' [Brookhaven] report analysis concluded that the origin of the pellets is 'unknown' and that one of the pellets was submitted for identification because of its dissimilarity in appearance with TWA 800 debris. ...'"

    The Brookhaven report on the pellets and a review of it was just posted http://www.twa800.com/pdf/brookhaven-report.pdf

  • What Really Happened to TWA Flight 800?

    07/17/2002 9:10:52 AM PDT · 1 of 61
    VectoRama
  • BOEING RESPONDS TO FBI REPORT

    07/17/2002 9:00:47 AM PDT · 31 of 90
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    "The Brookhaven report on the pellets was just posted. http://www.twa800.com/pdf/brookhaven-report.pdf "

    Huh?

    If you dig just a little deeper you'll find that the actual Brookhaven report starts on page 4.

  • BOEING RESPONDS TO FBI REPORT

    07/16/2002 9:00:27 AM PDT · 29 of 90
    VectoRama to All
    This page lists ALL the elements which the pellets found in victims were composed of under "Propellants, Explosives and Pyrotechnics."

    http://www.blazetech.com/ADORA/Chemical_List/Propellants__etc_/propellants__etc_.html

    Considering that the pellets were not from the jet, how is this not proof that some kind of explosive device was involved in the crash?

  • BOEING RESPONDS TO FBI REPORT

    07/16/2002 7:07:26 AM PDT · 28 of 90
    VectoRama to Rokke
    The pellets were "transparent" but the reference Stalcup seems to refer to is talking about "tungsten pellets embedded in a titanium matrix". Wouldn't tungsten pellets be solid steel?

    I have seen web pages that mention pellets used in warheads to add the explosive effect. An important point is that all the elements in the pellets are used in explosives. This page does not mention warheads but mentions a lot of the elements the pellets were composed of.....

    PYROTECHNICS, PROPELLANTS AND EXPLOSIVES

    Fire generators, for domestic use (matches, fuel pellets for field stoves) or military purpose (incendiary grenades).
    · Heat generators. Aluminium has already been mentioned as an incendiary metal. Other incendiary metals include zirconium, magnesium, titanium, and depleted uranium.
    http://imartinez.etsin.upm.es/bk3/c15/Pyrotechnics.htm

  • BOEING RESPONDS TO FBI REPORT

    07/15/2002 10:32:51 AM PDT · 26 of 90
    VectoRama to All
    Here's some details from Insight on the pellets found in some Flight 800 victims:

    According to Stalcup, "More than that, we have information that shows that 20 unusual .2-inch-diameter round pellets that were found in bodies were withheld from the NTSB but analyzed by the FBI and found to have been made of aluminum titanium matrix and other elements like zirconium, barium and cerium. These are pyrotechnics or incendiary devices, and the matrix structure of these objects is consistent with pellets used in antiaircraft missiles."

    The FIRO chairman continues: "In fact, I found a quote in National Defense magazine that was referring to warheads that said 'pellets imbedded in titanium matrix' are used in antiaircraft warheads. The 'secret' [Brookhaven] report analysis concluded that the origin of the pellets is 'unknown' and that one of the pellets was submitted for identification because of its dissimilarity in appearance with TWA 800 debris. ...'"

    The Brookhaven report on the pellets was just posted
    http://www.twa800.com/pdf/brookhaven-report.pdf

  • TWA Flight 800 - Are There 100+ Witness Interviews That Haven't Been Made Public?

    03/18/2002 11:30:32 AM PST · 48 of 239
    VectoRama to Rokke
    Michael Rivero is an idiot. Based on his website I'm sure he thinks the Jews brought down TWA 800.

    Yeah, except that he already said it was the U.S. Navy and once he says something, he can never change his mind.

    Here's the total debunking of the cargo door theory from the NTSB's report

    "Examination of the lower lobe forward cargo door showed that all eight of the door latching cams remain attached (along with pieces of the door itself) to the pins along the lower door sill."

    So not only was the upper hidge intact as seen at Rivero's site, but the lower locks were also intact. Hence it would be absolutely impossible to believe the cargo door fell off, that is, unless you were Mr. Smith or Asmodeous.

  • TWA Flight 800 - Are There 100+ Witness Interviews That Haven't Been Made Public?

    03/17/2002 1:07:29 PM PST · 42 of 239
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    It's funny that Asmodeus pushes the cargo door theory, the most completely disproven theory. The cargo door hinges were still attached! Amazing that anyone could even give it a second thought. You have to have more than a few loose screws to believe the cargo door "theory."

    Mike Rivero has completely debunked the cargo door speculation.

  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    03/03/2002 2:49:56 PM PST · 119 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    On final analysis the NTSB there were 258 streak of light witnesses, yet only 38 describe the streak as moving vertically or nearly so. This is from pg 232 of the NTSB final report. Certainly each of these witnesses saw the streak, but less than 20% reported it moved vertically. Who are we supposed to believe?

    That's meaningless. Seeing as some witnesses described a "flare" rising upwards vertically and then leveling off, flying more or less horizontally, the data you cite merely indicates that some people saw that streak at different times (only 38 seeing it during the vertical stage of flight). So that data does not tell us what it was or was not and it does not present any contradictions.

    On the other hand, the data I posted about those who said where the "flare" originated (93% with a clear view of the origin saying it originated from the surface/horizon) does indicate what was most likely seen.

  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    03/03/2002 1:54:09 PM PST · 118 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    You've misattributed a statement by someone else to me. My point that should have been clear enough is that the IAM report does support the conclusion of an external high-pressure event that caused the CWT explosion as a secondary result. That's basically consistent with the analysis you were saying was not supported by any official report including the IAM report.
  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    03/02/2002 8:14:24 PM PST · 78 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    Whose analysis are you relying on for your second paragraph concerning missile impacts and overpressure? ... None of the parties involved in the investigation support your analysis, and that includes Boeing, TWA, ALPA, and even the IAM.

    The official IAM report states on page 7...

    "Approximately nineteen (19) holes in the fuselage below the L3 door that appear to originate from the exterior of the aircraft."

    Then on page 9 of the official IAM report we find....

    "A definite cause cannot be determined at this time. The center wing fuel tank did explode! We find that its explosion was as the result of the aircraft breakup. The initial event caused a structural failure in the area of Flight Station 854 to 860, lower left side of the aircraft. A high-pressure event breached the fuselage and the fuselage unzipped due to the event. The explosion was a result of this event!"

  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    03/02/2002 7:40:16 PM PST · 76 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    If that were true, then the whole streak of light issue has no credence at all, since the percentage of witnesses who reported a streak of light is roughly 25% of the total witnesses.

    It should be clear that the numbers above refer not to the total number of witnesses reporting the "streak" in question but the number who reported the streak and who reported its origin and who had a clear view of that origin. Obviously such a group will be a small portion of all people who heard or saw anything related to the crash.

    And actually, I read most of the 755 witness accounts.

    Then you should know that most of the accounts are of people who heard multiple bangs or who turned to look after things were already falling. You make it sound like all 755 people were looking in the same area all the time but only 25% saw the mysterious streak. That's as misleading as someone on the other extreme saying almost all 755 witnesses saw a missile.

  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    03/02/2002 7:24:37 PM PST · 75 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    The closest track moving at a speed realistic for a surfaced sub (other than the 30knot track) is roughly 8 miles away.

    Wrong. The very tracks that Irvine refers to are about 2 miles from the crash and travel 14-17 knots. This is from the NTSB's report, and the text on the chart is in the NTSB's report. The tracks are marked by the arrows toward the top, center of the graphic. The crash/debris zone is in the circled area, upper right corner.

    So in fact Beers first story passes your truth test.

  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    03/02/2002 5:57:58 PM PST · 66 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    In fact there were less than 100 who said they saw "a streak of light" rising from the surface..."

    What matters is the percentage of those who said where the streak came from surface or sky and who had a clear view. An analysis by Dr. Stalcup and Mr. Shoemaker gives the breakdown based on the NTSB's own data.....


    Flight 800 Witnesses on "Streak" Origin

    almost none of the witnesses reported seeing an accompanying smoke trail which is probably the most obvious indicator of a missile in flight.

    You obviously have not read too many of the witness accounts.

  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    03/02/2002 5:37:26 PM PST · 64 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    Your first point "Beers said their activity was not classified." I didn't say he did.

    It sure looks like you did. You said:

    So if we are to believe Beers, we need to accept that the USS Trepang was operating covertly, in a classified exercise..."

    Since Beers said the activity was not classified, I don't see why believing him requires that we believe the activity was classified. Back to your reply.

    Your next point "The submariner here said the Trepang can dive in even shallower water." Actually, what he said is it could submerge in shallower water. According to Beers' buddy, Beer's said the sub crash dived. Big difference.

    Not a significant difference according to the submariner, who told you..... "The 637 Class boats had very small vents, and no bow planes. A "Crash Dive" would be ordering the vents opened before you left the bridge (see #3)."

    Your next point "The TWA crash was not "in broad daylight."" Really? Several eyewitnesses reported observing TWA 800 before it exploded.

    If "broad daylight" means "any time in which visibility is not zero," even when the sun is below the horizon, you're right.

    Final point: "There are radar tracks other than the 30-knot track." Sure, but find me one that matches Beer's description other than the 30 knot track. There isn't one.

    There are some tracks about 4 or 5 miles from the crash. I'm not sure the chart on the other page is as clear as others I've seen. Beers was pretty clear that he's making estimates, he even notes that he doesn't not have navigational charts before him.

  • TWA Flight 800 - "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A LIE? I CAN'T"

    02/28/2002 6:40:53 PM PST · 35 of 308
    VectoRama to Rokke
    Almost every sentence you wrote is completely contrary to the facts before you. Beers said their activity was not classified. The submariner here said the Trepang can dive in even shallower water. The TWA crash was not "in broad daylight." The Trepang could have filmed falling debris regardless of the time it took it to dive. There are radar tracks other than the 30-knot track.

    Bottomline, you don't know what you're talking about.

    But I agree with you on one thing..... Reed does overstate the sailor's statements. The sailor was not saying the Navy did it, and he didn't even say a missile did it. But the sailor did say there were other Navy vessels in the area and he said "I’m uncomfortable with saying what we was actually doing." Why would that be if their activities were not classified?

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    02/04/2002 5:06:03 PM PST · 126 of 165
    VectoRama to Tennessee_Bob
    Here's what else it doesn't say. It doesn't say what type, or class of submarine it was. Your implication in post 121 is that it was a ballistic missile submarine.

    So what? I was addressing an errant claim that no silos are on any submarines. Again, there is no implication that the sub fired a missile.

    So far, we have a friend of a friend who said...which doesn't carry much weight at all.

    Not true. Reread Reed's report..... Irvine recorded the statements of the source himself, not the statements of a friend of a friend who said.

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    02/03/2002 6:39:35 PM PST · 121 of 165
    VectoRama to pfflier
    Seems like someone from a sub would use the correct terminology for the VLS. The only missile silos around are for land based ICBMs.

    First, it's Irvine who says "silos," not the submariner. Second, a web search quickly found that there are silos on subs.

    "The submarine has a double-hulled configuration with missile silos housed in the inner hull."

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    02/03/2002 6:33:48 PM PST · 120 of 165
    VectoRama to Tennessee_Bob
    Hmmm....how many aircraft have been shot down with torpedoes? For that matter, how many have been shot down with Tomahawks and Harpoons?

    Reread the report. It does not say a submarine fired a missile.

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    02/01/2002 11:02:29 AM PST · 86 of 165
    VectoRama to A CA Guy
    Sorry, I must have deleted the second 2 in 2002 and accidently replaced it with 0 during copy/paste of the source code. That's all I can figure. The date of publication as I posted was Jan 31, 2002..... i.e., it's new!
  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    01/31/2002 7:43:53 PM PST · 43 of 165
    VectoRama to JHL
    In my opinion, this submariner, if he does exist, has an axe to grind with the Navy.

    So I guess James Kallstrom also had an axe to grind with the Navy when he told Irvine that the Navy was conducting classified maneuvers under the crash..... Surely you can come up with a better cover story than that.

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    01/31/2002 6:48:17 PM PST · 26 of 165
    VectoRama to sharktrager
    I am wondering about the logic of the source trying to remain a secret.

    I agree that the Navy should be able to track the guy down with just this information and so he'd be better off coming out of the closet. But if by that you suggest that the story is questionable. Consider that the actions of two people are involved, Irvine and a source. The actions of Irvine in reporting what someone told him are not the same as the actions or fears of the person he spoke to. The source did not think "I'll report my story but keep my identity secret." If he did, that would be strange... but that is not the case here. The source also became spooked after their first discourse.

    It will be interesting to see what if anything develops from this.

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    01/31/2002 6:35:07 PM PST · 21 of 165
    VectoRama to jlogajan
    Yeah, ha ha, an anonymous someone. Did he see Elvis too?

    "Anonymous"? Reed knows who the guy is, and is withholding the name due to the person fearing retaliation. Reed is not the type to make this up.

  • TWA Flight 800 - Someone Has Finally Talked!

    01/31/2002 5:49:54 PM PST · 1 of 165
    VectoRama
  • TWA FLIGHT 800

    12/29/2001 12:07:23 AM PST · 462 of 495
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    It hasn't likely been "fun" for the Flight 800 Families to be tormented by the non-stop drumbeat of wildly reckless and widely differing "missile(s) shootdown" allegations by the tinfoil hatters for nearly 5 1/2 years...

    Asmodeus, you really are delusional. Based on a post by the coloradan it seems that Asmodeus is one Elmer Barr. A little web searching finds that Mr. Barr is probably the single most prolific poster of TWA 800 drumbeating. Ironically very often he posts the claims of missile theorists, followed by his repetative drumbeating. For Mr. Barr to accuse his relatively silent opponents of engaging in "non-stop drumbeating" is as contradictory as everything else he says.

    You Mr. Barr that are the obsessed drumbeater. If anything, you are doing more to draw attention to the missile theory than any or all of the missile theorists combined. To then accuse them of engaging in "non-stop drumbeating" is just another obvious lie. Get a life you freaking crank.

  • TWA FLIGHT 800

    12/29/2001 12:07:17 AM PST · 461 of 495
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    The "Shrapnel" Myth:...

    Asmodeus is such a hack I might be inclined to believe he's really a missile theorist trying to make the opposition look stupid. Everything he's said that I've looked into falls apart. Just do a websearch on anything he talks about to get a better picture.

    FIRO, a TWA 800 group headed by a professional physicist, filed a lawsuit over "The Shrapnel Myth," asking that the FBI release its findings on foreign bodies found embedded inside TWA 800 casualties. The FBI has refused to release the information to anyone, including families. If the shrapnel is a "myth," then what the hell is the FBI refusing to release? How can the FBI refuse to release a myth? Hasn't Asmodeus done any research on this subject he posses as an self-declared "expert" on?

    Read about the foreign bodies cover-up here:

    FIRO Complaint Against FBI

  • TWA FLIGHT 800

    12/29/2001 12:07:17 AM PST · 460 of 495
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    The "Shrapnel" Myth:...

    Asmodeus is such a hack I might be inclined to believe he's really a missile theorist trying to make the opposition look stupid. Everything he's said that I've looked into falls apart. Just do a websearch on anything he talks about to get a better picture.

    FIRO, a TWA 800 group headed by a professional physicist, filed a lawsuit over "The Shrapnel Myth," asking that the FBI release its findings on foreign bodies found embedded inside TWA 800 casualties. The FBI has refused to release the information to anyone, including families. If the shrapnel is a "myth," then what the hell is the FBI refusing to release? How can the FBI refuse to release a myth? Hasn't Asmodeus done any research on this subject he posses as an self-declared "expert" on?

    Read about the foreign bodies cover-up here:

    FIRO Complaint Against FBI

  • TWA FLIGHT 800

    12/15/1990 1:43:04 AM PST · 459 of 495
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    The tinfoiler alleges that Matulewich is a "Witness Expert". An expert witness interviewer conducts thorough and complete witness interviewers. Did Matulewich ever conduct any such witness interviews of any incident? Can the tinfoiler produce even one expert witness interview conducted by Matulewich?

    Asmodeus, that's worse than pathetic. Deputy Inspector Matulewich was a professional witness analyst who re-interviewed about a dozen or so key TWA 800 witnesses on location along with a DIA agent. From those witnesses he acquired the necessary data to plot the source of the "flare" that they saw.

    Since it is established that Deputy Inspector Matulewich was in fact a professional witness analyst, it is up to you to prove he was not a competent professional. Simply declaring that a professional witness analyst is not an expert is just blowing hot air. It's your tin-foil hat that makes you think your hot air has substance. What's so pathetic is here you are declaring that you can know the truth about what witnesses saw from witness reports that you also declare are invalid. This is another classic crank delusion, that only you can know the truth. On the other hand Deputy Inspector Matulewich actually spoke to witnesses on location, yet of course only you can determine the truth... the master crank witness analyst Asmodeus.

  • TWA FLIGHT 800

    12/24/2001 10:52:02 PM PST · 439 of 495
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    "Yet, not one expert witness report analyst has ever agreed with Commander Donaldson's allegations about the observations of the witnesses. Not even one."

    FALSE! You Sir are the most incompetent "analyst" I've even seen! Look at this....

    Having followed the link to the official report of witness 649, I found it contained a letter from a real expert witness analyst from the Suffolk County Police Department (Douglas S. Matulewich, Deputy Inspector, Commanding Officer, Marine Bureau) who was employed to determine if TWA 800 witness accounts indicate that a missile was involved. Inspector Matulewich along with an agent from the Defense Intelligence Agency triangulated several witness accounts and concluded this,

    Witness Expert: "I became involved in a joint effort to determine the possibility of a missile shooting down TWA flight 800. The objective was to determine if the observations of eye witnesses could be plotted on a chart to determine a location from which a missile was shot. ... The above Latitude and Longitude locations INDICATES THE CENTER OF AN AREA THAT IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO BE SEARCHED AND AT A MINIMUM A ONE (1) nautical mile area should be searched for the remains of equipment that would launch a portable missile. The possibility exists that the equipment was discarded and now remains on the ocean floor." From official NTSB report.

    All caps are in the original. You can read that on page 265 of 446 of the pdf file in the first link in this reply. There it is Asmodeus, an expert inspector who reviewed the witness accounts and concluded that they are enough like missile witness accounts to justify a massive search for residual missile parts. How could Asmodeus have overlooked this detail if he is the master analyst he implies and is sufficently versed in this case to render such strong opinion? It seems that Asmodeus capitalizes on what people don't know, either that or his tin-foil hat is getting too tight.

    Now get this, the expert analyst Commander Donaldson found evidence of the FBI's search that was recommended based on the expert conclusion that the witness accounts support a missile strike. If the expert analysts and the FBI believed what Asmodeus believes they would never have recommended and conducted such a massive search of the ocean. It seems that Asmodeus' beliefs expose him as the real tin-foil hatter.

  • NTSB destroys TWA 800 evidence

    12/24/2001 10:49:19 PM PST · 39 of 41
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    "Yet, not one expert witness report analyst has ever agreed with Commander Donaldson's allegations about the observations of the witnesses. Not even one."

    FALSE! You Sir are the most incompetent "analyst" I've even seen! Look at this....

    Having followed the link to the official report of witness 649, I found it contained a letter from a real expert witness analyst from the Suffolk County Police Department (Douglas S. Matulewich, Deputy Inspector, Commanding Officer, Marine Bureau) who was employed to determine if TWA 800 witness accounts indicate that a missile was involved. Inspector Matulewich along with an agent from the Defense Intelligence Agency triangulated several witness accounts and concluded this,

    Witness Expert: "I became involved in a joint effort to determine the possibility of a missile shooting down TWA flight 800. The objective was to determine if the observations of eye witnesses could be plotted on a chart to determine a location from which a missile was shot. ... The above Latitude and Longitude locations INDICATES THE CENTER OF AN AREA THAT IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO BE SEARCHED AND AT A MINIMUM A ONE (1) nautical mile area should be searched for the remains of equipment that would launch a portable missile. The possibility exists that the equipment was discarded and now remains on the ocean floor." From official NTSB report.

    All caps are in the original. You can read that on page 265 of 446 of the pdf file in the first link in this reply. There it is Asmodeus, an expert inspector who reviewed the witness accounts and concluded that they are enough like missile witness accounts to justify a massive search for residual missile parts. How could Asmodeus have overlooked this detail if he is the master analyst he implies and is sufficently versed in this case to render such strong opinion? It seems that Asmodeus capitalizes on what people don't know, either that or his tin-foil hat is getting too tight.

    Now get this, the expert analyst Commander Donaldson found evidence of the FBI's search that was recommended based on the expert conclusion that the witness accounts support a missile strike. If the expert analysts and the FBI believed what Asmodeus believes they would never have recommended and conducted such a massive search of the ocean. It seems that Asmodeus' beliefs expose him as the real tin-foil hatter.

  • TWA 800 - Testimony of Commander William S. Donaldson III, (ret.)

    12/24/2001 10:35:50 PM PST · 44 of 46
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    "Yet, not one expert witness report analyst has ever agreed with Commander Donaldson's allegations about the observations of the witnesses. Not even one."

    FALSE! You Sir are the most incompetent "analyst" I've even seen! Look at this....

    Having followed the link to the official report of witness 649, I found it contained a letter from a real expert witness analyst from the Suffolk County Police Department (Douglas S. Matulewich, Deputy Inspector, Commanding Officer, Marine Bureau) who was employed to determine if TWA 800 witness accounts indicate that a missile was involved. Inspector Matulewich along with an agent from the Defense Intelligence Agency triangulated several witness accounts and concluded this,

    Witness Expert: "I became involved in a joint effort to determine the possibility of a missile shooting down TWA flight 800. The objective was to determine if the observations of eye witnesses could be plotted on a chart to determine a location from which a missile was shot. ... The above Latitude and Longitude locations INDICATES THE CENTER OF AN AREA THAT IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO BE SEARCHED AND AT A MINIMUM A ONE (1) nautical mile area should be searched for the remains of equipment that would launch a portable missile. The possibility exists that the equipment was discarded and now remains on the ocean floor." From official NTSB report.

    All caps are in the original. You can read that on page 265 of 446 of the pdf file in the first link in this reply. There is it Asmodeus, an expert inspector who reviewed the witness accounts and concluded that they are enough like missile witness accounts to justify a massive search for residual missile parts. How could Asmodeus have overlooked this detail if he is the master analyst he implies and is sufficently versed in this case to render such strong opinion? It seems that Asmodeus capitalizes on what people don't know, either that or his tin-foil hat is getting too tight.

    Now get this, the expert analyst Commander Donaldson found evidence of the FBI's search that was recommended based on the expert conclusion that the witness accounts support a missile strike. If the expert analysts and the FBI believed what Asmodeus believes they would never have recommended and conducted such a massive search of the ocean. It seems that Asmodeus' beliefs expose him as the real tin-foil hatter.

  • TWA 800 - Testimony of Commander William S. Donaldson III, (ret.)

    12/24/2001 9:15:48 PM PST · 43 of 46
    VectoRama to Asmodeus
    Thank you for posting those animations. You claim that they are "a figment of Goddard's imagination." With the links you used I was able to find the page you lifted them from but did not share with us.

    At that page we discover the that animations include the witnesses sketches. I followed several of Goddard's links to the original witness reports and found the sketches there as he shows them. These witness sketches show the opposite of what you want us to believe, they show us that witnesses said the streak came from the surface. How could you have overlooked this detail?

    Asmodeus, you try to make yourself out to be a witness expert and yet you managed to confuse the witness accounts with "Goddard's imagination." It seems it's your arguments that are a "figment of imagination."