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All, Mission To The World, the PCA's international ministry, has issued an appeal for funds to aid in the relief of Myanmar cyclone victims. I know that most of us have heard stories about countries and large relief agencies having their hands tied, but God will provide a way for His church to break through manmade barriers. _________________________________________________________________ Horrifying and harrowing stories are emerging in the aftermath of the catastrophic tropical cyclone that devastated much of already poverty-striken Myanmar. Reuters News is reporting as many as one million people left homeless. No one really knows how high the death toll...

I’m grateful to an article in the National Post on Friday, 28 March, by Colby Cost for bringing this item to my attention. It is about Wal-Mart, but has nothing to do with the legendary business model of that company. Or, does it? As the article recites, shortly before Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans on 29 August 2005, Lee Scott, CEO of Wal-Mart, send a memorandum to all the regional and store managers in the region about to be hit. His message said: “A lot of you are going to have to make decisions above your level. Make the best...

China races to deliver power, food before snowfalls (Xinhua)Updated: 2008-02-09 10:31 BEIJING - Chinese people are enjoying the week-long holiday ushering in an auspicious Year of the Mouse, as the government races to repair electricity grids and deliver food, blankets and other supplies to areas hit by the worst snowstorms in more than 50 years.Weather forecasters say new downfalls are to hit the south next week. Electricians inspect power transformers in Guiyang, Southwest China's Guizhou Province, during the Lunar New Year holiday on February 8, 2008. China raced to repair electricity grids and deliver food, blankets to areas hit by the worst snowstorms in 50 years as new downfalls are forecast to...

At this writing, the fires were still raging in southern California, but already LCMS World Relief and Human Care had sent $50,000 to the Synod's Pacific Southwest District to help those who have been evacuated from -- or lost -- their homes in the disaster. The emergency grant was sent Oct. 24 to the district office in Irvine, Calif., north of San Diego, Escondido, and other cities threatened by more than a dozen wildfires. The money will be distributed among LCMS congregations that have been providing shelter and spiritual care to scores of displaced people. In cooperation with the city...

E-mail Author Author Archive Send to a Friend Version September 30, 2005, 8:04 a.m. God vs. War Don't militarize disaster relief. Nobody looked good during the Katrina response, except the U.S. military. In keeping with Washington’s habit of always fixing yesterday’s problem in ways that might cause trouble tomorrow, the military’s star performance in Katrina means that it might get the lead role in any significant natural disaster in the future. Democrats have long clamored for more “first responders.” Well, now they are about to get 1.4 million of them. President Bush has said that the lesson from Katrina...

Things I have noticed while watching media coverage of the recent hurricanes. 1. Texas: Productive industrious state run by Republicans. Louisiana: Government dependent welfare state run by Democrats. 2. Texas: Residents take responsibility to protect and evacuate themselves. Louisiana: Residents wait for government to protect and evacuate them. 3. Texas: Local and state officials take responsibility for protecting their citizens and property. Louisiana: Local and state officials blame federal government for not protecting their citizens and property. 4. Texas: Command and control remains in place to preserve order. Louisiana: Command and control collapses allowing lawlessness. 5. Texas: Law enforcement officers...

Facing criticism that he appeared disengaged from the disaster wrought by Hurricane Katrina, President Bush has been looking for opportunities to show his concern. But the White House will take the effort a step further Tuesday, venturing into untested waters by putting the nation's first lady on reality television. Laura Bush will travel to storm-damaged Biloxi, Miss., to film a spot on the feel-good, wish-granting hit "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition." Mrs. Bush sought to be on the program because she shares the "same principles" that the producers hold, her press secretary said. It's not clear exactly what Mrs. Bush will...

September 10, 2005 Berkeley, California The hurricane disaster was just awful and I felt like I had to help. I spent last Friday packing a box with emergency goods for the Red Cross. I included some packs of raspberry kelp tea, a pair of sandals, some rice cakes, a macramé hanging candleholder, some incense, and a couple of Grateful Dead albums. Knowing I was helping someone start a new life made my spirits soar! On television I saw storm victims being transported to a local gymnasium and I felt moved to open my home to one of these poor people....

LACKLAND AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (Sept. 22, 2005) -- Texas Air National Guard personnel returning home from Hurricane Katrina duty had just enough time to catch up on sleep before receiving the order to repack their bags. Now they are preparing to deal with the aftermath of another hurricane – Rita – this time on the Texas coast. Members of the 149th Fighter Wing, based on Lackland, will be part of a package of 400 personnel and equipment, named Task Force Seguin, which is part of the 1,750-member Joint Task Force Texas, formed after Gov. Rick Perry directed Texas Military...

149th Fighter Wing security forces return from Louisiana LACKLAND AFB, Texas (Sept. 15, 2005) – Forty-seven security forces personnel from the 149th Fighter Wing returned Sept. 13 from Louisiana after providing security and evacuation assistance to New Orleans residents during the devastating aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. The group arrived at Kelly Field via C-130 aircraft and was taken to the 149th Fighter Wing for health assessments before leaving for home and much-needed showers and sleep. The security team left from San Antonio Aug. 31, commanded by Lt. Col. Scott Elliott of the 204th Security Forces Squadron, and included Air Guard...

In remarks Tuesday on Hurricane Katrina, President Bush spoke of "serious problems in our response capability" and questioned whether the United States can handle another major storm or a terrorist attack. "To the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," the president asserted. Well said: These are steps along the higher road and are to be applauded. But the country needs Mr. Bush to follow up with real policy changes in order to ensure recovery. It needs more than first responders, too: The president must reassess the full gamut of our vulnerabilities, from...

In remarks Tuesday on Hurricane Katrina, President Bush spoke of "serious problems in our response capability" and questioned whether the United States can handle another major storm or a terrorist attack. "To the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," the president asserted. Well said: These are steps along the higher road and are to be applauded. But the country needs Mr. Bush to follow up with real policy changes in order to ensure recovery. It needs more than first responders, too: The president must reassess the full gamut of our vulnerabilities, from...

Friday 09/09/05 10:00 pm In my capacity as a Red Cross Disaster volunteer I was present as 72 people arrived at the Ti Cities Airport directly from New Orleans. Most left their homes yesterday and flew directly from New Orleans to Tennessee. They were the people who were located in their houses and told to “leave now”. They arrived on a charter 737. The plane carried air marshals, 72 people, 6 dogs and one iguana. Overall, the people were in good shape, good spirits and extremely thankful and appreciative for the help they were receiving. The dogs were also in...

Washington - The criticism of FEMA Director Michael Brown continues. Now his credentials are facing new questions. Time Magazine reports his official bio and online legal profile have discrepancies. Brown's bio on the FEMA Web site said he oversaw emergency services in Edmond, Oklahoma. But a spokeswoman for the city tells Time that Brown's position was "more like an intern." A FEMA official says Brown did start as an intern, but became an assistant city manager and had a distinguished record. The magazine also reports Brown's profile on the Web site FindLaw-dot-com lists him as an "outstanding Political Science Professor"...

Although the official death toll throughout Louisiana is under 100, New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin said the figure is likely to reach more than 10,000 people. When American Red Cross volunteers Keller Taylor of Richboro and Ed Sherman of Levittown, both retirees, arrived on the scene early last week their efforts were initially thwarted. Reports of the government halting Red Cross delivery of much-needed supplies, like water and medicine, because they were not allowed access to those most in need, have not yet been addressed by the White House. Some sources say the prohibition was a safety precaution. The...

America's most listened to talk radio host Rush Limbaugh will hit Broadway next month with a one man show to fund relief efforts for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. "Rush on Broadway" will open for a one-day-only performance on Tuesday Oct. 18 at the New Amsterdam Theater on 42nd Street. The show will feature a special introduction by ABC Radio host Sean Hannity. Tickets go on sale Tuesday, Sept. 6 at 10am. Plans for Limbaugh's Broadway debut were apparently finalized late Thursday - the top talker made no mention of the production during his regular midday broadcast. However WABC -...

Dr. FRANKLIN GRAHAM’S CALL FOR CHURCHES TO ADOPT TEN KATRINA VICTIMS FAMILIES From: tpoffice@kyol.net [TPM = Theophostic Prayer Ministry] Subject: A Special Message from TPM founder Dr. Ed Smith Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 ... No matter the "reason" for this event [Hurricane Katrina], I believe God expects His people to make themselves available to be used of Him so that He might be glorified in and through it. ... I encourage Churches to consider revamping your ministry structure to reach out to these dislocated families. I heard Dr. Franklin Graham on television make an appeal to the denominational and...

As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same. Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now. "The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross. "Right now access is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities. We have been at the table every...

NEW ORLEANS – New Orleans' mayor issued an urgent plea for relief of his flooded city on Thursday as gunshots and looting hampered the evacuation of desperate crowds trying to escape Hurricane Katrina's destruction. "This is a desperate SOS," Mayor Ray Nagin said in a statement read by CNN. Some of the thousands of hungry, thirsty storm survivors outside the city's convention center chanted similar pleas. Here are some key ways to help the struggling victims of one of the worst natural disasters in American history: AMERICAN RED CROSS: All American Red Cross disaster assistance is free, made possible by...

.......AAP reports: No Australian citizens appear to have been killed or injured in Hurricane Katrina, Australian Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer said today. "We've been surprised by how few calls we've had to our consular operations branch in DFAT, the Foreign Affairs Department, because we thought there may be more Australians affected in New Orleans than turned out to be the case," Mr Downer told ABC Radio. "We know of a small number of Australians who have been there. We have no reports though of Australian injuries or deaths. We'll just have to keep waiting to see." Mr Downer said...

<p>Early deployment of rescue teams and aid may prove key to the response.</p> <p>HOUSTON - Even before hurricane Katrina made landfall Monday, a massive relief brigade - one that officials hoped would be an equal match for a huge Category 4 storm - was being deployed to help residents along Louisiana's low-lying coast.</p>

  AS HURRICANE KATRINA ROCKS GULF, CATHOLIC CHARITIES PREPARES FOR MASSIVE RELIEF EFFORT New Orleans, Aug. 29, 2005 (CNA) - As Hurricane Katrina makes landfall, and as New Orleans and the U.S. gulf coast brace for what some meteorologists have called a “worst case scenario”, Catholic Charities USA has already begun collecting donations for the massive relief efforts which are sure to follow.Spokesperson Shelly Borysiewicz, reported that the group is “collecting financial donations to help communities recover from the damage brought on by Hurricane Katrina. Donations will be used to fund local Catholic Charities agencies’ emergency and long-term disaster...

Tsunami Tyranny On February 2nd, 2005 US President George W. Bush said in his State Of the Union Address: The only force powerful enough to stop the rise of tyranny and terror, and replace hatred with hope, is the force of human freedom. (1) The attack on freedom in our world has reaffirmed our confidence in freedom's power to change the world. We are all part of a great venture: To extend the promise of freedom in our country, to renew the values that sustain our liberty, and to spread the peace that freedom brings. (2) How can we define...

ABOARD THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (AP) -- The U.S. aircraft carrier that led a massive tsunami relief operation steamed away from the disaster zone Thursday after a mission that helped repair America's bruised image in the world's most heavily populated Muslim nation. The USS Abraham Lincoln, with a crew of 5,300, formed the core of the largest foreign military deployment in the area and the most extensive U.S. operation in Southeast Asia since the Vietnam War. Helicopters from the ship flew hundreds of missions to deliver food, water and other aid along the devastated western coast of the Indonesian island...

US Navy officer attacks 'travelling circus of aid workers' for impeding the tsunami relief effort in Indonesia By Philip Sherwell in Washington and Inigo Gilmore in Banda Aceh (Filed: 30/01/2005) A US Navy officer serving on the Abraham Lincoln, the aircraft carrier at the heart of the Indonesia tsunami relief effort, has attacked United Nations officials, aid workers and the media for impeding flights to help the survivors. Criticising their behaviour and demands, the officer declared: "My warship has been transformed into a floating hotel for a bunch of trifling do-gooders." The relief effort has been a 'frustrating and needlessly...

It has been three weeks since my ship, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived off the Sumatran coast to aid the hundreds of thousands of victims of the Dec. 26 tsunami that ravaged their coastline. I’d like to say that this has been a rewarding experience for us, but it has not: Instead, it has been a frustrating and needlessly dangerous exercise made even more difficult by the Indonesian government and a traveling circus of so-called aid workers who have invaded our spaces. What really irritated me was a scene I witnessed in the Lincoln’s wardroom a few days ago. I...

From those wonderful folks who brought you the Iraqi oil-for-food corruption scandal, we have United Nations-coordinated Tsunami disaster relief. And what a relief that will be. Shortly after the tsunami struck, two things happened. First, the United States went into action. Hundreds of thousands of tsunami survivors were -- and are still -- threatened by disease, thirst and starvation. President Bush directed all branches of the US military to deliver on-scene, as soon as possible, all available assets capable of providing assistance and relief. When it comes to providing immediate, tangible aid -- emergency medical treatment and water purification facilities...

JAKARTA - A leading Indonesian anti-corruption activist has been detained by police in tsunami-ravaged Aceh province for allegedly stealing trucks of relief material meant for disaster survivors, police said on Thursday. Farid Faqih, director of the Government Watch independent watchdog, has been charged with hiding aid supplies in a warehouse, the director for special crimes, Suharto, told Elshinta radio. Reports said Faqih was working as a partner to the UN agency World Food Program and had unhindered access to tonnes of aid supplies at the airbase in the provincial capital Banda Aceh. Faqih was arrested Wednesday by airforce officers after...

DefenseWatch "The Voice of the Grunt" 01-20-2005 Guest Column: No Relief in Sight for the Lincoln By Ed Stanton  It has been three weeks since my ship, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived off the Sumatran coast to aid the hundreds of thousands of victims of the Dec. 26 tsunami that ravaged their coastline. I’d like to say that this has been a rewarding experience for us, but it has not: Instead, it has been a frustrating and needlessly dangerous exercise made even more difficult by the Indonesian government and a traveling circus of so-called aid workers who have invaded our spaces. What really irritated...

Aid Groups Worry About U.S. Tsunami Effort Email this Story Jan 21, 9:11 AM (ET) By LELY T. DJUHARI BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (AP) - Aid groups warned on Friday it might be too soon for the U.S. military to scale back its emergency operations for Asia's tsunami victims, while an informal cease-fire between Indonesian troops and rebels appeared to have collapsed, threatening to derail relief efforts. Following a U.S. announcement on Thursday that American forces would begin immediately transferring responsibility for relief operations to the "appropriate host nations and international organizations," some aid groups expressed concern that the move came...

Guest Column: No Relief in Sight for the Lincoln By Ed Stanton It has been three weeks since my ship, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived off the Sumatran coast to aid the hundreds of thousands of victims of the Dec. 26 tsunami that ravaged their coastline. I’d like to say that this has been a rewarding experience for us, but it has not: Instead, it has been a frustrating and needlessly dangerous exercise made even more difficult by the Indonesian government and a traveling circus of so-called aid workers who have invaded our spaces. What really irritated me was a...

-snip- My warship had been transformed into a floating hotel for a bunch of trifling do-gooders overnight. As I went through the breakfast line, I overheard one of the U.N. strap-hangers, a longhaired guy with a beard, make a sarcastic comment to one of our food servers. He said something along the lines of “Nice china, really makes me feel special,” in reference to the fact that we were eating off of paper plates that day. It was all I could do to keep from jerking him off his feet and choking him, because I knew that the reason we...

The Indonesian government yesterday showed its appreciation to U.S. soldiers who have been risking their lives helping tsunami victims by ordering them to get out of the country by the end of March. "Three months are enough," Vice President Jusuf Kalla told the official Antara news agency. "In fact, the sooner [they leave] the better." Kalla's government also forced the Abraham Lincoln, from which Navy pilots have flown dozens of food supply missions to the hard-hit Aceh Province, to steam out of Indonesian waters because they refused to let U.S. pilots fly training missions in their air space. The...

ABOARD THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN — The aircraft carrier leading the U.S. military's tsunami relief effort steamed out of Indonesian waters yesterday after the country declined to let the ship's fighter pilots use its airspace for training missions — part of a broad effort by Indonesia to reassert control over its territory.     The USS Abraham Lincoln's diversion, which was not expected to affect aid flights, came as the White House asked the Indonesian government to explain why it appears to be demanding that the U.S. military and other foreign troops providing disaster relief leave the country by the end...

GINTOTA, Sri Lanka (AFP) - Despite their training and combat experience, the US marines working in tsunami-hit Sri Lanka admit that picking through the shattered remains of peoples' lives has been a heart-rending exercise. A few dozen of around 400 marines stationed in or off the southern city of Galle pick up brick after broken brick, the pieces left behind after the Asian tsunami ravaged the seaside village of Gintota. Like survivors right across the three-quarters of Sri Lanka's coastal belt obliterated by the December 26 tsunami, they use their hands -- some gloved in black leather or khaki wool,...

Jeanie Schmidt, a trauma nurse who works at Kaiser hospitals in Santa Clara and Oakland, considers herself one of the lucky ones: She was headed to the tsunami disaster zone Saturday with a group of 25 doctors and nurses from a relief organization. But many other medical workers have been frustrated in their desire to offer hands-on help. The logistics of getting there are daunting, and relief groups are swamped with experienced volunteers. ``There are so many of us who want to get there and help,'' Schmidt said Friday, as she scrambled to buy medical supplies, hiking boots, a water...

JAKARTA (Reuters) - An effort by the United States, Japan, India and Australia to coordinate tsunami relief will be disbanded and folded into broader U.N.-led operations, Secretary of State Colin Powell said on Thursday. The group's creation was announced by President Bush just eight days ago as he tried to dispel criticism that the initial U.S. response to the catastrophe was slow. Some analysts saw it as an effort to appear engaged. But U.S. officials said the group, later expanded to include Canada and the Netherlands, had already served its purpose by jump-starting aid efforts to devastated regions following the...

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has urged international donors to convert pledges of aid for the tsunami victims into $1bn cash for immediate use. At the Indonesia aid conference, Mr Annan said there was "a race against time" to prevent another sharp rise in the death toll, now over 140,000. Global pledges exceed $3bn but promises have not always come good in the past. The EU is the latest international body to offer increased aid, pledging 100m euros ($132m) to the immediate effort. Secretary of State Colin Powell said the group - which includes India, Australia and Japan - had...

Aid agencies have said it is money - and not food, clothing, bedding or medicines - that the victims of the Asian tsunami need. They have also been inundated with offers of help from would-be volunteers, many of them qualified tradespeople who want to work on rebuilding shattered communities. Most have had to be turned down, although Oxfam has said it wants 10,000 people to help in its charity stores. And BT is preparing to fly out seven telecommunications engineers to help restore phone services on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia. Basic goods As pledges from the UK public reached...

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia - The head of the US military’s relief operations in Indonesia’s tsunami-hit Aceh province said Monday the devastation was beyond belief, but that the American aid effort was “going great”. “I’ve been down the coast and it’s just unbelievable what the force of this tsunami has caused to the villages,” Rear Admiral Doug Crowder told reporters at the Indonesian military airbase in the capital of Banda Aceh. “Some places have been flattened for a mile and a half, (there are) mostly just foundations of homes and businesses left.” US navy Sea Hawk helicopters have been airlifting supplies...

Please Read The ENTIRE Article Tsunami: Where US Media Failed by Dr. Michael Saba A friend posed a question to me. He said, “You write about these things all of the time. Does it make sense that the US has allocated $87 billion to spend on Iraq and only $35 million to help the people of South and Southeast Asia devastated by the earthquake and tsunami?” Is the US “the most generous nation in the world” as stated by President Bush or is it one of the most “stingy” countries as mentioned by Jan Egeland, the UN relief coordinator? And...

U.S. military officials in the Pacific continued pouring resources into Southeast Asia on Thursday, preparing for large-scale humanitarian and relief operations in the 11 countries rocked by last weekend’s massive earthquake and ferocious tsunami. Army Lt. Col. Vi Strong, a Pacific Command spokeswoman, said three disaster-relief assessment teams and a forward command element are on the ground in Utapao, Thailand. Aid packages were unloaded Thursday from six C-130s that flew in from Yokota Air Base, Japan. KC-135 aircraft from Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, and Kadena Air Base, Okinawa, also arrived in Thailand and Sri Lanka, carrying assessment teams and...

OTTAWA (CP) - Canada's military emergency response team has been put on 48-hour notice. Members of the Disaster Assistance Response Team are on alert to depart, in case Ottawa decides to send the team to south Asia. Brig.-Gen. Brett Cairns says written orders are being issued to members of the team Friday, and people who are on leave are being recalled. The news came at a news conference where officials also up to 150 Canadians could be presumed missing in the Asian tsunami disaster, mostly in Thailand, a Foreign Affairs official said Friday. But James Fox emphasized the number is...

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29, 2004 — Three Marine Corps disaster relief assessment teams are on the ground or about to arrive in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Indonesia, and at least two P-3 aircraft are conducting initial reconnaissance of damaged areas as a wide range of other Defense Department assets works its way to tsunami-stricken regions of the Indian Ocean. U.S. Pacific Command has marshaled assets ranging from carrier strike groups to water purification ships to aircraft to provide emergency support for victims following the Dec. 26 earthquake and subsequent tsunamis, Marine Corps Lt. Gen. James Conway, director of operations for the...

As President Bush was calling on Americans Wednesday to get involved in tsunami relief, the staff at Lubbock's Breedlove Dehydrated Foods was putting the finishing touches on possibly the largest disaster relief effort ever staged on the South Plains. The 10-year-old plant — which creates a vegetable-based shelf-stable meal for hunger relief — sent about 30 million meals to North Korea when famine struck that country in 1998-99. According to Breedlove plant manager David Fish, efforts to aid the stricken nations circling the Indian Ocean could surpass that figure. "We were discussing where to set our goal," he said. "Then...

President Bush said Wednesday the United States would spearhead a worldwide effort to provide financial, military and humanitarian assistance to the Asian nations devastated by one of the world's deadliest natural disasters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35249-2004Dec29.html

Feel free to add names. Let's see who is stingy 1) The Billionaire George Soros The billionaire who said he'd spend whatever it takes to beat Bush. Final figure came to about $35 million 2)Peter Bing-Hollywood Mogul Another billionaire. Another big contributor to Kerry. 3)Peter Lewis-U Of Phoenix $10 million to Kerry 4)Hollywierd Crowd Harvey Weinstein (lead fundraiser),Ed Asner, Mike Farell,Sean Penn, Linda Rondstadt, George Clooney,Woody Harrelson,Madonna, BaldwinsJulia Roberts... I'm too tired 5)Kojo Annan 6)Mark Rich 7)Elton John,Dionne Warwick and all of "We Are The World" 8)Paul McCartney 9)Any Atheist Groups 10)Bernie Schwartz Loral Corp 11)Buddhist Temple In LA where...

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - A Thai air base that accommodated U.S. bomber planes during the Vietnam War is being used by the American military again as the hub of its tsunami relief effort in the Indian Ocean. U.S. officials said Thursday that transport planes and personnel already are flying into and out of Utapao, about 90 miles south of Bangkok. A U.S. embassy spokesman said P-3 Orion surveillance planes were already flying search and rescue missions over Thailand and the first supply planes arrived in Thailand overnight. The Pentagon has said C-130 cargo planes would haul relief supplies to Thailand...

As the Asian quake and tsunami death toll topped 100,000 and is rising, President Bush said the United States' initial grant of $35 million in SE Asia was 'only the beginning of our aid.' He said the United States, India, Australia and Japan have formed an international coalition to coordinate worldwide relief and reconstruction efforts for the Asian region. Aid agencies today warned disease will also cause massive casualties among the survivors as the biggest relief effort in history began. The president took issue with Jan Egeland, the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator who called the US "stingy" in regard...