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  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 17th 1787

    08/17/2011 2:32:53 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Article VII Section 1 Clauses 9-14. Enumerated Powers. Inferior Tribunals. Piracy and Punishments. Rebellions. Militia. War. In Convention. Art VII. Sect. 1. [FN1], [FN2] resumed. on the clause "to appoint [FN3] Treasurer by ballot." Mr. GHORUM moved to insert "joint" before ballot, as more convenient as well as reasonable, than to require the separate concurrence of the Senate. Mr. PINKNEY 2ds. the motion. Mr. SHERMAN opposed it as favoring the larger States. Mr. READ moved to strike out the clause, leaving the appointment of the Treasurer as of other officers to the Executive. The Legislature was an improper body for...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 16th 1787

    08/16/2011 2:44:44 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 4 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Enumerated Powers. Article VII Section 1 Clauses 1-8. Export Taxes. Direct Taxes. Commerce, Coins, Naturalization, Weights & Measures, Post Offices. Paper Money. Mark of the Beast. In Convention. Mr. RANDOLPH having thrown into a new form the motion, putting votes, Resolutions &c. on a footing with Bills, renewed it as follows "Every order resolution or vote, to which the concurrence of the Senate & House of Reps. may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment and in the cases hereinafter mentioned) shall be presented to the President for his revision; and before the same shall have force shall be...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 15th 1787

    08/15/2011 3:03:37 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 6 replies
    Avalon Source ^ | James Madison
    Article VI Sections 11-13. Money Bills Part III. Treaties. Council of Revision. Absolute v. Conditional Executive Veto. In Convention. Art: VI. Sect. 11. [FN1], [FN2] Agreed to nem. con. Art: VI Sect. 12. [FN1], [FN3] taken up. Mr. STRONG moved to amend the article so as to read-"Each House shall possess the right of originating all bills, except bills for raising money for the purposes of revenue, or for appropriating the same and for fixing the salaries of the officers of the Govt. which shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 14th 1787

    08/14/2011 3:30:10 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 7 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Article VI Sections 9-10. Office Holders & Corruption. Mercer & Aristocratic Property. A Junta. Confidence is the Road to Tyranny. Military Officers. Janissaries. Congressional Salaries. In Convention. Article VI. Sect. 9. [FN1], [FN2] taken up. Mr. PINCKNEY argued that the making the members ineligible to offices was degrading to them, and the more improper as their election into the Legislature implied that they had the confidence of the people; that it was inconvenient, because the Senate might be supposed to contain the fittest men. He hoped to see that body become a School of public Ministers, a nursery of Statesmen:...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 13th 1787

    08/13/2011 2:51:18 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 5 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Article IV Sections 2 & 5 Redux. Seven v. Three Years. Privileges & Immunities. Money Bills. Mason Speech. Evils in Republics. More Money. Dickenson Speech. In Convention. Art. IV. Sect. 2 [FN1], [FN2] reconsidered- Mr. WILSON & Mr. RANDOLPH moved to strike out "7 years" and insert "4 years," as the requisite term of Citizenship to qualify for the House of Reps. Mr. Wilson said it was very proper the electors should govern themselves by this consideration; but unnecessary & improper that the Constitution should chain them down to it. Mr. GERRY wished that in future the eligibility might be...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 11th 1787

    08/11/2011 2:56:56 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 4 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Article VI Sections 7- 8. Journal. NYC. Capital of US. Money Bills. In Convention. Mr. MADISON & Mr. RUTLIDGE moved "that each House shall keep a journal of its proceeding, [FN1] & shall publish the same from time to time; except such part of the proceedings of the Senate, when acting not in its Legislative capacity as may be judged by that House to require secrecy." Mr. MERCER. This implies that other powers than legislative will be given to the Senate which he hoped would not be given. Mr. Madison & Mr. R's motion. was disagd. to by all the...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 10th 1787

    08/10/2011 2:34:14 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 7 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Article VI Sections 1- 7. Property Qualifications. The $100,000 President. Rich Rogues. Quorums. Compel Attendance. Free Speech. Expulsion. Journal. In Convention. Art. VI. Sect. 2. [FN1], [FN2] taken up. Mr. PINKNEY. The Committee as he had conceived were instructed to report the proper qualifications of property for the members of the Natl. Legislature; instead of which they have referred the task to the Natl. Legislature itself. Should it be left on this footing, the first Legislature will meet without any particular qualifications of property: and if it should happen to consist of rich men they might fix such such qualifications...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 9th 1787

    08/09/2011 2:44:28 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 6 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Article IV Sections 6-7. Article V. Article VI Section 1. Senate Vacancies. More Money Bills and Senate Suffrage. Immigration & Citizenship. Times, Places and Manners. In Convention. Art: IV. Sect. 6. [FN1], [FN2] Mr. RANDOLPH expressed his dissatisfaction at the disagreement yesterday to Sect. 5. concerning money bills, as endangering the success of the plan, and extremely objectionable in itself; and gave notice that he should move for a reconsideration of the vote. Mr. WILLIAMSON said he had formed a like intention. Mr. WILSON, gave notice that he shd. move to reconsider the vote, requiring seven instead of three years...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 8th 1787

    08/08/2011 2:29:00 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 4 replies · 1+ views
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Article IV Sections 1-5. Resident or Inhabitant. Representation in First House. King Speech on Slaves, Taxes, and Exports. Forty Thousand. Why Worry? Morris & Accursed Slavery. In Convention. Art: IV. Sect. I. [FN1], [FN2] -Mr. MERCER expressed his dislike of the whole plan, and his opinion that it never could succeed. Mr. GHORUM. he had never seen any inconveniency [FN3] from allowing such as were not freeholders to vote, though it had long been tried. The elections in Phila. N. York & Boston where the Merchants, & Mechanics vote are at least as good as those made by freeholders only....
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 7th 1787

    08/07/2011 3:24:17 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 4 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Report of the Committee of Detail, Preamble Through Article IV Section 1. Presidential Election by Joint or Separate Sessions of Congress? Annual Sessions. Legislating Too Much. Inquisitorial Powers. Travel Weather. Broad Legislative Powers? Freeholders. Voting Franchise. Dickinson & Morris on Suffrage. Taxation and Representation. Madison’s Prediction. Franklin Speech. American v. British Sailors. In Convention. The Report of the Committee of detail being taken up, Mr. PINKNEY moved that it be referred to a Committee of the whole. This was strongly opposed by Mr. GHORUM & several others, as likely to produce unnecessary delay; and was negatived. Delaware Maryd & Virga...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention August 6th 1787

    08/06/2011 3:39:53 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 2 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    First Draft of Constitution. In Convention. Mr. John Francis Mercer from Maryland took his seat. Mr. RUTLIDGE delivered in the Report of the Committee of detail as follows: a printed copy being at the same time furnished to each member: "We the people of the States of New Hampshire, Massachussetts, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, South-Carolina, and Georgia, do ordain, declare, and establish the following Constitution for the Government of Ourselves and our Posterity. ARTICLE I The stile of the Government shall be, "The United States of America" II The Government shall consist...
  • Federalist Papers Identified How Democrats Would Destroy Us

    07/29/2011 5:24:35 PM PDT · by Schatze · 78 replies
    libertyinkjournal.com ^ | Warner Todd Huston
    Our fourth president, James Madison, has been called the father of the Constitution for considerable reasons. He was highly educated, widely read, and well regarded. Ever the prescient student of history, Madison was able to describe in February 1788 the precise reasons why his beloved republic would fare so badly 223 years later in 2011. In Federalist No. 62—his explanation of the Senate—we find an amazingly clear prediction of how badly Washington, D.C., has gone off track. Madison understood that democratic governments like our own often suffer from the malady of unfaithful elected officials. “It is a misfortune [sic] incident...
  • Federal Convention Committee of Detail July 27th to August 6th 1787

    07/27/2011 2:27:02 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Various | Various
    The Convention adjourned yesterday in order for the Committee of Detail to smooth the resolutions passed to date. Members will reconvene on August 6th. Experienced Constitution writers and legal theorists composed the Committee. There were two Northerners, Nathaniel Gorham & Judge Oliver Ellsworth, two Southerners in Governor Edmund Randolph and former Governor John Rutlidge and a Middle Statesman in the Scots born James Wilson. All were of the Nationalist bent; no small state advocates like Luther Martin or William Paterson were there. Very little is known of the proceedings of the committee. George Mason’s great granddaughter found some of the...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 26th 1787

    07/26/2011 2:56:53 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Seven Ways to Elect an Executive. Term Limits. Property Requirements. Appointment by National Legislature to Single Seven Year Term. Virtuous Voters. Landed Debt. Seat of Government. Resolutions Submitted to Committee of Detail. In Convention. Col. [FN1] MASON. In every Stage of the Question relative to the Executive, the difficulty of the subject and the diversity of the opinions concerning it have appeared. Nor have any of the modes of constituting that department been satisfactory. 1. [FN2] It has been proposed that the election should be made by the people at large; that is that an act which ought to be...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 25th 1787

    07/25/2011 2:19:36 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Executive Electors. Foreign Influence and Bribes. Madison Speech and Popular Election. More National v. State Legislature v. Popular Election Debate. In Convention. [FN1] Clause relating to the Executive [FN2] again under consideration. Mr. ELSEWORTH moved "that the Executive be appointed by the Legislature," except when the magistrate last chosen shall have continued in office the whole term for which he was chosen, & be reeligible, in which case the choice shall be by Electors appointed by the Legislatures of the States for that purpose." By this means a deserving magistrate may be reelected without making him dependent on the Legislature....
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 24th 1787

    07/24/2011 2:36:51 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Executive Electors. Twenty Year President. Single or Multiple Executives. How Many Terms? Impeachment. State Legislatures or Congressional Appointment. G. Morris Speech. Roll the Dice. Committee of Detail. Pinckney and NJ/Patterson Plans Discharged. In Convention. The appointment of the Executive by Electors [FN1] reconsidered. Mr. HOUSTON moved that he be appointed by the "Natl. Legislature," instead of "Electors appointed by the State Legislatures" according to the last decision of the mode. He dwelt chiefly on the improbability, that capable men would undertake the service of Electors from the more distant States. Mr. SPAIGHT seconded the motion. Mr. GERRY opposed it. He...
  • Wisconsin Carry Files Second Lawsuit In ‘Madison 5′ Culvers Incident

    07/23/2011 5:32:36 AM PDT · by marktwain · 14 replies
    Ammoland.com ^ | 22 July, 2011 | Nik Clark
    Wisconsin --(Ammoland.com)- To Recap: On Saturday, September 18, 2010, five (5) members of WCI met for dinner at a Culvers Restaurant in Madison, Wisconsin. Each of these individuals was openly carrying a handgun when they arrived at the restaurant, entered the restaurant and ordered and ate their meals. At or about the time that the WCI members finished their meal and left the restaurant, a woman in her car observed them openly carrying handguns and called 911 to report it to the City of Madison Police Department. The 911 caller informed the dispatcher that she didn’t know if it was...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 23rd 1787

    07/23/2011 2:44:54 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 5 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Amendments. Oaths. Mason Speech on Popular Ratification. Retained Powers. Secession. Ratification by Legislatures. G. Morris, Madison and Judicial Review. Oaths to State Constitutions. Two Senators per State. Per Capita Voting. Executive Electors. Export Taxation Ban. In Convention. Mr. John Langdon & Mr. Nicholas Gilman from N. Hampshire, took their seats. Resoln.: 17. [FN1] that provision ought to be made for future amendments of the articles of Union, [FN2] agreed to, nem. con. Resoln. 18. [FN3] "requiring the Legis: Execut: & Judy. of the States to be bound by oath to support the articles of Union," [FN2] taken into consideration. Mr....
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 21st 1787

    07/21/2011 2:48:12 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 5 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Judicial Veto and Judicial Review. Madison & G. Morris Speeches. Strength to Veto Bad Bills. Transfer Payments, Remission of Debt. Executive Veto, Two Thirds Override. Executive nomination of Judges w/Senatorial veto. Luther Martin, George Mason and Judicial Review. What is Proper Law? Senatorial Appointment of Judges. In Convention. Mr. WILLIAMSON moved that the Electors of the Executive should be paid out of the National Treasury for the Service to be performed by them." Justice required this: as it was a national service they were to render. The motion was agreed to Nem. Con. Mr. WILSON moved as an amendment to...
  • Sheriff's office in Mississippi accused of discriminating against National Guard

    07/20/2011 12:48:16 PM PDT · by prplhze2000 · 4 replies
    Jackson Jambalaya ^ | July 20, 2011 | Kingfish
    Federal lawsuit in Jackson, MS accuses Madison County Sheriff's office of discriminating against National Guard soldiers. Secret tape of conversation between deputy and Chief Deputy shows CD admitting he refused to hire his friend because of his military status. Post includes copies of federal lawsuit, audio recording, and transcript of recording.
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 20th 1787

    07/20/2011 2:35:10 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 7 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Presidential Electors. How Many? Impeachment. Separation of Powers. Statholder. Mr. Morris & Impeachable Offenses. Executive Salary. In Convention. The postponed [FN1] Ratio of Electors for appointing the Executive; to wit 1 for each State whose inhabitants do not exceed 100,000, [FN2] &c. being taken up. Mr. MADISON observed that this would make in time all or nearly all the States equal. Since there were few that would not in time contain the number of inhabitants intitling them to 3 Electors: that this ratio ought either to be made temporary, or so varied as that it would adjust itself to the...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 19th 1787

    07/19/2011 5:38:44 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 1 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Popular Presidential Elections. Multiple Terms. Biennial Elections. President for Life. State Electors. Separation of Powers by Madison. North v. South Popular Suffrage. Elbridge Gerry Speech – State Governors Appoint Electors. State Legislatures Appoint Electors. Six Year Terms. In Convention. On reconsideration of the vote rendering the Executive re-eligible a 2d. time, Mr. MARTIN moved to reinstate the words, "to be ineligible a 2d. time." Mr. GOVERNEUR MORRIS. It is necessary to take into one view all that relates to the establishment of the Executive; on the due formation of which must depend the efficacy & utility of the Union among...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 18th 1787

    07/18/2011 2:46:41 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Judiciary. Advise and Consent. Compensation of Judges. Inferior Courts. Jurisdiction. Continuation of Government. Republican Government Guarantee. Rebellions. In Convention On motion of Mr. L. Martin to fix tomorrow for reconsidering the vote concerning "eligibility of Exective. [FN1] a 2d. time" it passed in the affirmative. Mas. ay. Cont. ay. N. J. absent. Pa. ay. Del. ay. Md. ay. Va. ay. N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. absent. [FN2] The residue of Resol. 9 [FN3] concerning the Executive was postpd. till tomorrow. Resol. 10. [FN4] that Executive shl. have a right to negative legislative acts not afterwards passed by 2/3...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 17th 1787

    07/17/2011 2:57:56 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 18 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Sixth Resolution. Taxation. Requisitions. Congressional Veto of State Law. Roger Sherman, James Madison, Governeur Morris & Judicial Review. Congressionally Elected Executive. Term Limits. President for life. In Convention Mr. GOVERNR. MORRIS. moved to reconsider the whole Resolution agreed to yesterday concerning the constitution of the 2 branches of the Legislature. His object was to bring the House to a consideration in the abstract of the powers necessary to be vested in the general Government. It had been said, Let us know how the Govt. is to be modelled, and then we can determine what powers can be properly given to...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 16th 1787

    07/16/2011 2:55:51 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 9 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    The Great Compromise. Initial House Apportionment. Enumerated Powers. Treatment of New States. Decennial Census. Three Fifths of Slaves. House Money Bills Unalterable by Senate. Equal Senatorial State Suffrage. Threat of Dissolution. In Convention. On the question for agreeing to the whole Report as amended & including the equality of votes in the 2d. branch. it passed in the Affirmative. Mas. divided Mr. Gerry, Mr. Strong, ay. Mr. King Mr. Ghorum no. Cont. ay. N.J.ay. Pena.no. Del.ay. Md.ay. Va.no. N.C. ay. Mr. Spaight no. S.C.no. Geo.no. [FN1] [Here enter the whole in the words entered in the Journal July 16] [FN2]...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 14th 1787

    07/14/2011 3:01:43 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 13 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Domination of New States. Dissolution. Equality of Senatorial State Suffrage. Rufus King Speech. National vs. Federal. In Convention. Mr. L. MARTIN called for the question on the whole report, including the parts relating to the origination of money bills, and the equality of votes in the 2d. branch. Mr. GERRY. wished before the question should be put, that the attention of the House might be turned to the dangers apprehended from Western States. He was for admitting them on liberal terms, but not for putting ourselves into their hands. They will if they acquire power like all men, abuse it....
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 13th 1787

    07/13/2011 2:45:53 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 10 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Taxation & Representation. Population, not Wealth Basis in First Branch. Morris Speech. Mississippi River.In Convention. It being moved to postpone the clause in the Report of the Committee of Eleven as to the originating of money bills in the [FN1] first branch, in order to take up the following "that in the 2d. branch each State shall have an equal voice." Mr. GERRY, moved to add as an amendment to the last clause agreed to by the House, "that from the first meeting of the Legislature of the U. S. till a census shall be taken all monies to be...
  • There is a difference ...

    07/12/2011 7:03:29 PM PDT · by Rurudyne · 4 replies
    7-12-2011 | Rurudyne
    There is a difference between these two statements, one of which may be familiar to some forumites hereabout.... The power to tax must be adequate to address the Powers to appropriate. Taxes can never accomplish the objects for which they were collected unless the power to appropriate is as broad as the power to tax. The former may be considered a summation of the explanation of the language in A1:S8:C1 given by Madison and others to the several States before the ratification of the Constitution. This view holds that the terms "common Defence" or "general Welfare" are described by the...
  • Madison Lefties Say Democracy Died With the Geese

    07/12/2011 6:45:38 PM PDT · by bigbob · 28 replies
    Newsbusters ^ | 7-12-11 | Tim Graham
    Somehow, liberal Mayor Paul Soglin of Madison, Wisconsin is still too conservative for some. The Capital Times reports there will be a protest (or a "memorial service for fallen fowl") tomorrow to denounce the city's unannounced Canada goose roundup. Leftist animal advocates said democracy died with the geese: "This is a chance for us to get together and mourn the loss to the community not only of the geese, but of the democratic process. We want to know the mayor and the Parks Commission know that we're not going to go away," says Kathie Free of Madison, an organizer of...
  • (Madistan) Beggar grabs cash from man giving him a dollar, police say

    07/12/2011 11:23:10 AM PDT · by bigbob · 24 replies
    The Capitol Times ^ | 7-12-11 | Bill Novak
    A 'beggar' took advantage of a man's generosity early Sunday morning when he allegedly grabbed all the cash from the donor's hand when the donor only wanted to give him $1.
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 12th 1787

    07/12/2011 2:40:14 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 5 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Taxation & Representation. Requisitions. Three-Fifths Rule. Census. In Convention. Mr. Govr. MORRIS moved to add to the clause empowering the Legislature to vary the Representation according to the principles of wealth & number [FN1] of inhabts. a "proviso that taxation shall be in proportion to Representation." Mr. BUTLER contended again that Representation Sd.. be according to the full number of inhabts. including all the blacks; admitting the justice of Mr. Govr. Morris's motion. Mr. MASON also admitted the justice of the principle, but was afraid embarrassments might be occasioned to the Legislature by it. It might drive the Legislature to...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 11th 1787

    07/11/2011 2:37:34 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 2 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Census of Freemen and Slaves. Three-Fifths Rule. Wealth v. Population in First Branch. Periodic or Occasional Census. In Convention. Mr. RANDOLPH's motion requiring the Legislre. to take a periodical census for the purpose of redressing inequalities in the Representation, was resumed. Mr. SHERMAN was agst. shackling the Legislature too much. We ought to choose wise & good men, and then confide in them. Mr. MASON. The greater the difficulty we find in fixing a proper rule of Representation, the more unwilling ought we to be, to throw the task from ourselves, on the Genl. Legislre. He did not object to...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 10th 1787

    07/10/2011 2:55:15 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Apportionment in First House of Reps. Population Statistics. Slavery. Trade. Periodic Census. In Convention. Mr. KING reported from the Come. yesterday appointed that the States at the 1st. meeting of the General Legislature, should be represented by 65 members in the following proportions, to wit. N. Hamshire by 3. Masts. 8. R. 1st. 1. Cont. 5. N. Y. 6. N. J. 4. Pa. 8. Del. 1. Md. 6. Va. 10. N. C. 5. S. C. 5. Georgia 3. Mr. RUTLIDGE moved that N. Hampshire be reduced from 3 to 2. members. Her numbers did not entitle her to 3 and...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 9th 1787

    07/09/2011 2:50:55 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 10 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Apportionment in First House of Reps. Keep New States Down. Slaves as Men or Property. In Convention. Mr. Daniel Carroll from Maryland took his Seat. Mr. Govr. MORRIS delivered a report from the Come. of 5 members to whom was committed the clause in the Report of the Come. consisting of a member from each State, stating the proper ratio of Representatives in the 1st. branch, to be as 1 to every 40,000 inhabitants, as follows viz "The Committee to whom was referred the 1st. clause of the 1st. proposition reported from the grand Committee, beg leave to report I....
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 7th 1787

    07/07/2011 2:39:02 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 4 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Second Branch Suffrage. What of Enumerated Powers? G. Morris Speech. In Convention. [FN1] "Shall the clause allowing each State one vote in the 2d. branch, stand as part of the Report"? being taken up Mr. GERRY. This is the critical question. He had rather agree to it than have no accomodation. A Governt. short of a proper national plan, if generally acceptable, would be preferable to a proper one which if it could be carried at all, would operate on discontented States. He thought it would be best to suspend the [FN2] question till the Comme. yesterday appointed, [FN3] should...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 6th 1787

    07/06/2011 3:23:12 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 2 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Wealth v. Population in First Branch. Forty-Thousand Clause Sent to Committee. Money Bills. In Convention. Mr. Govr. MORRIS moved to commit so much of the Report as relates to "One member for every 40,000 inhabitants" His view was that they might absolutely fix the number for each State in the first instance; leaving the Legislature at liberty to provide for changes in the relative importance of the States, and for the case of new States. Mr. WILSON 2ded. the motion; but with a view of leaving the Committee under no implied shackles. Mr. GHORUM apprehended great inconveniency [FN1] from fixing...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 5th 1787

    07/05/2011 2:50:29 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 4 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Committee Report. First Proposition Postponed. Madison Speech. High Emotion. Morris Speech. Bedford Speech. Dissolution and Foreign Influence. Proportional Representation by Taxes Remitted. In Convention Mr. GERRY delivered in from the Committee appointed on Monday last the following Report. "The Committee to whom was referred the 8th. Resol. of the Report from the Committee of the whole House, and so much of the 7th. as has not been decided on, submit the following Report: That the subsequent propositions be recommended to the Convention on condition that both shall be generally adopted. 1. That in the 1st. branch of the Legislature each...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention July 2nd 1787

    07/02/2011 2:54:35 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Eighth Resolution. G. Morris Speech. Senators for Life. Equal State Suffrage in the Senate. Despair. Committee to Work on 7th & 8th Resolutions. In Convention. On the question for allowing each State one vote in the second branch as moved by Mr. Elseworth, [FN1] Massts. no. Cont. ay. N. Y. ay. N. J. ay. Pa. no. Del. ay. Md. ay. Mr. Jenifer being not present Mr. Martin alone voted Va no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. divd. Mr. Houston no. Mr. Baldwin ay. Mr. PINKNEY thought an equality of votes in the 2d. branch inadmissible. At the same...
  • Indoctrination Fridays: Teacher's Lesson Compares Scott Walker to White Segregationist

    07/01/2011 8:02:26 AM PDT · by Kaslin · 14 replies
    Townhall.com ^ | July 1, 2011 | Kyle Olsen
    A paper published by several college professors, entitled Organizing the Curriculum for Labor Consciousness, calls for more weaving of Big Labor history and tactics into every day curriculum. Take the case of Kate Lyman, a teacher in the Madison, Wisconsin school district. According to an article she penned for the leftist Rethinking Schools magazine, she was swept into the protests by her daughter and Facebook, because “that’s how they did it in Egypt.” When teacher staged a “sick out,” Lyman described it as “four exhilarating days, four confusing days, four stressful and exhausting days.” For the record, she’s speaking of...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 30th 1787

    06/30/2011 2:43:42 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 7 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Eighth Resolution. Request Presence of NH. Equal State Suffrage in Second Branch. Wilson Speech. Madison Speech. North v. South. High Emotions. Bedford Speech. Foreign Alliances. In Convention Mr. BREARLY moved that the Presidt. write to the Executive of N. Hamshire, informing it that the business depending before the Convention was of such a nature as to require the immediate attendance of the deputies of that State. In support of his motion he observed that the difficulties of the subject and the diversity of opinions called for all the assistance we could possibly obtain. [it was well understood that the object...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 29th 1787

    06/29/2011 2:03:41 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 9 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Reality of Dissolution. Seventh Resolution. Equal Representation of States in First Branch. Proportional Representation in First Branch. Gerry Speech. Postpone Debate on Seventh. Eighth Resolution. Equal State Suffrage in Second Branch. Ellsworth Speech. In Convention Doctr. JOHNSON. The controversy must be endless whilst Gentlemen differ in the grounds of their arguments; Those on one side considering the States as districts of people composing one political Society; those on the other considering them as so many political societies. The fact is that the States do exist as political Societies, and a Govt. is to be formed for them in their political...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 28th 1787

    06/28/2011 2:40:28 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 10 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Seventh Resolution. Proportional Representation in First Branch. Dissolution. Madison Speech. Equal Representation of States in First Branch. In Convention Mr. L. MARTIN resumed his discourse, contending that the Genl. Govt. ought to be formed for the States, not for individuals: that if the States were to have votes in proportion to their numbers of people, it would be the same thing whether their representatives were chosen by the Legislatures or the people; the smaller States would be equally enslaved; that if the large States have the same interest with the smaller as was urged, there could be no danger in...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 27th 1787

    06/27/2011 2:33:50 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 4 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    In Convention Mr. RUTLIDGE moved to postpone the 6th Resolution, defining the powers of Congs. in order to take up the 7 & 8 which involved the most fundamental points; the rules of suffrage in the 2 branches which was agreed to nem. con. A question being proposed on Resol: 7 [FN1]: declaring that the suffrage in the first branch sd. be according to an equitable ratio. Mr. L. MARTIN contended at great length and with great eagerness that the General Govt. was meant merely to preserve the State Governts.: not to govern individuals: that its powers ought to be...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 26th 1787

    06/26/2011 3:37:17 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 3 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    On the Precipice of Democracy. Madison Speech. Fourth Resolution. Length of Terms. Lifetime? Purpose of Second Branch. Six Year Terms. Senatorial Salaries. Who pays? Minimum Wealth Requirement. Subsequent Office Eligibility. Fifth Resolution, Originating Acts. In Convention The duration of the 2d. branch [FN1] under consideration. Mr. GHORUM moved to fill the blank with "six years," one third of the members to go out every second year. Mr. WILSON 2ded. the motion. Genl. PINKNEY opposed six years in favor of four years. The States he said had different interests. Those of the Southern, and of S. Carolina in particular were different...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 25th 1787

    06/25/2011 2:54:58 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 2 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Fourth Resolution. Superb Pinckney Speech. Parliament. Appointment to Second Branch by State Legislatures. Minimum Age Requirement. Length of Terms. In Convention Resolution 4. [FN1] being taken up. Mr. PINKNEY [FN2] spoke as follows- The efficacy of the System will depend on this article. In order to form a right judgmt. in the case, it will be proper to examine the situation of this Country more accurately than it has yet been done. The people of the U. States are perhaps the most singular of any we are acquainted with. Among them there are fewer distinctions of fortune & less of...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 23rd 1787

    06/23/2011 2:32:12 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 11 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Third Resolution, a Kingdom Divided. First Branch Salaries. Corruption. Subsequent Office Eligibility. In Convention The 3. Resol: resumed. [FN1] On [FN2] Question yesterday postponed by S. Carol: for agreeing to the whole sentence "for allowing an adequate compensation to be paid out of the Treasury of the U. States" Masts. ay. Cont. no. N. Y. no. N. J. ay. Pena. ay Del. no. Md. ay. Va. ay. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo divided. [FN3] So the question was lost, & the sentence not inserted: Genl. PINKNEY moves to strike out the ineligibility of members of the 1st. branch...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 22nd 1787

    06/22/2011 2:19:34 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 18 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Third Resolution. First Branch Salaries. Minimum Age Requirement. Subsequent Office Eligibility. In Convention The clause in Resol. 3. [FN1] "to receive fixed stipends to be paid out of the Nationl. Treasury" [FN2] considered. Mr. ELSEWORTH, moved to substitute payment by the States out of their own Treasurys: observing that the manners of different States were very different in the Stile of living and in the profits accruing from the exercise of like talents. What would be deemed therefore a reasonable compensation in some States, in others would be very unpopular, and might impede the system of which it made a...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 21st 1787

    06/21/2011 2:43:40 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 7 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Danger from States to National Government. Small v. Large States. Two Branch Legislature. Third Resolution. Popular Election of First Branch. Length of Terms. In Convention Mr. Jonathan Dayton from N. Jersey took his seat. [FN1] [FN3] Docr. JOHNSON. On a comparison of the two plans which had been proposed from Virginia & N. Jersey, it appeared that the peculiarity which characterized the latter was its being calculated to preserve the individuality of the States. The plan from Va. did not profess to destroy this individuality altogether, but was charged with such a tendency. One Gentleman alone (Col. Hamilton) in his...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 20th 1787

    06/20/2011 2:38:06 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 2 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    First and Second Resolutions. Lansing Speech. State or National Supremacy. Mason Speech. Attributes of Federal v. Republican Governments. IN CONVENTION Mr. William Blount from N. Carolina took his seat. 1st. propos: [FN2] of the Report of Come. of the whole [FN3] before the House. Mr. ELSEWORTH 2ded. by Mr. GORHAM, moves to alter it so as to run "that the Government of the United States ought to consist of a supreme legislative, Executive and Judiciary." This alteration he said would drop the word national, and retain the proper title "the United States." He could not admit the doctrine that a...
  • Journal of the Federal Convention June 19th 1787

    06/19/2011 2:44:46 AM PDT · by Jacquerie · 16 replies
    Avalon Project ^ | James Madison
    Madison Speech. End of NJ/Patterson Plan. Randolph Plan as Amended. In Committee of the Whole On the Propositions of Mr. Patterson [FN1] The substitute offered yesterday by Mr. Dickenson being rejected by a vote now taken on it; Con. N. Y. N. J. Del. ay. [FN2] Mas. Pa. V. N. C. S. C. Geo. no. [FN3] Mayd. divided. Mr. PATTERSON's plan was again at large before the Committee. Mr. MADISON. Much stress had [FN4] been laid by some gentlemen on the want of power in the Convention to propose any other than a federal plan. To what had been answered...