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~ nobody wants to live this way ~ ...   if their other choice is being healthy.
Many want to live this way if their other choice is death.  -  by   Tax-chick


Tick tock what is the holdup?
1,109 posted on 03/23/2005 3:04:27 PM PST by keysguy


Terri's struggle for life has ended this morning.
December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005

Terri's Legacy grows.

For current information on The Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, Inc., (TSSF) = http://www.terrisfight.org/   =   Terri's   Fight  .  org

(Note:   Next 3 posts are slightly modified...)

~ ~ For People who obviously don't know the facts, and how silly of them to even comment, without knowing the facts. ~ ~

"An Eyewitness Account
Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director, Priests for Life
President, National Pro-life Religious Council

I told Terri she has many people around the country and around the world who love her and are praying for her. She looked at me attentively. I said, "Terri now we are going to pray together, I want to give you a blessing, let's say some prayers." So I laid my hand on her head. She closed her eyes. I said the prayer. She opened her eyes again at the end of the prayer.

Her dad leaned over to her and said, "OK Terri now here comes the tickle," because he has a mustache. She would laugh and smile and after he kissed her I saw her return the kiss. Her mom asked her a question at a certain point and I heard her voice. She was trying to respond. She was making sounds in response to her mother's question, not just at odd times and meaningless moments. I heard her trying to say something but she was not, because of her disability, able to articulate the words. So she was responsive."

excerpt - read the rest at: http://www.priestsforlife.org/euthanasia/terrisfinalhours.htm

4 posted on 03/14/2007 5:30:47 PM PDT by Sun


When the government intervened in the Terri Schindler matter, it was the system of checks and balances. The government was operating exactly the way our forefathers set it up to operate!

49 posted on 03/14/2007 8:44:00 PM PDT by TAdams8591

" I don't see anything in the US constitution that permits Congress to intervene."

The author is exactly right. It's the system of checks and balances. Given the facts of Terri's case our government responded the way it should have. If anything, what Terri's case helped to reveal, among other things, is that the power of the Judicial branch of government, is now greater than the other two branches, making a system of true checks and balances as envisioned by our forefathers, virtually impossible. This should be a matter of concern to all true conservatives, everywhere.

50 posted on 03/14/2007 8:56:19 PM PDT by TAdams8591


Photo of Terri Schindler Schiavo, when she was young and smiling.  In Loving Memory of Terri, 1963 to 2005
About The Foundation

The Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, Inc., (TSSF) is a non-profit group dedicated to ensuring the rights of disabled, elderly and vulnerable citizens against care rationing, euthanasia and medical killing.
“Helping Families Fight for Those Who Cannot Fight for Themselves”
Terri's Day: Join A National Pledge Drive

It began in Michigan, and it swept across the nation like a mask of death _ a plague that would soon engulf America _ that far too many Americans began to legitimize and even to become unyielding advocates for this culture of death.

New Book! A Life That Matters: The Legacy of Terri Schiavo

Terri's parents, brother, and sister speak out_for Terri and themselves. A LIFE THAT MATTERS may well change every assumption you have about Terri's too-brief life and and prolonged, agonizing death.
Here the people who loved her and knew her best tell the story not only of the fifteen years Terri struggled to stay alive, but of a gentle child who brought happiness to everyone she touched. Terri's Legacy grows.

For current information on The Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, Inc., (TSSF) = http://www.terrisfight.org/   =   Terri's   Fight  .  org

Martin Katz on Terri Schiavo

The essence of the Terri Schiavo case is simple, all ink and hot air to the contrary. We, as a society, the government and people of the United States of America, have not managed, for whatever reasons, to permit a mother, deluded or not, to put water onto the lips of her dying child, brain dead or not.

Everything else, every legal, moral, theological, constitutional, or philosophical argument, is a sideshow, diverting attention from the essential issue of this case.

We have wounded our national character. By our actions, or inactions, we have placed ourselves one notch less, above the Nazis.

We, as a people, have so shamed ourselves, that we cannot look Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother, in the eye, and give her one good reason why WE did not allow her to give water to her dying child.

How we came to this shameful point in our national existence is a question that demands examination, and rectification. For our sake.

For Mary Schindler, and her severely impaired child, Terri Schiavo, it is too late. We did not find it in our collective hearts and souls, in our actions, to have mercy on them.

May We, and G_d, forgive us.

Martin Katz

Martin Katz on Terri Schiavo - The American Thinker,   March 29, 2005
FR Thread (3/29/05): Terri Schiavo: Judicial Murder Nat Hentoff | Village Voice ^ | 7/11/05
(Terri's 'crime' was being disabled & voiceless)
As David Gibbs, the lawyer for Terri's parents, has pointed out, there has been a manifest need for a new federal, Fourteenth Amendment review of the case because Terri's death sentence has been based on seven years of "fatally flawed" state court findings_all based on the invincible neglect of elementary due process by Judge George Greer.


#13 - by FR's  bjs1779
List of Medical Personnel who support Terri...

And, see Post #14...

  FR's cyn has something special on the personal FR site. & Posted below.
  From FR's cyn - (Florida)

Most important thing to know about Terri Schiavo:

"A person with a 'profoundly atrophied' brain needs profound care and love.

Terri did not die from an atrophied brain. She died from an atrophy of compassion on the part of her estranged husband and those who helped him to have her deliberately killed.

-- Rev. Frank Pavone, national director of the anti-abortion group Priests For Life.

While Terri was being denied food and water, our FL state senators were told by Jim King about a free luncheon, and debated cock fighting. Can't be cruel to living creatures, dontcha know.
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  - Thanks cyn !   =   http://freerepublic.com/~cyn/

Terri's Fight Site! =
http://www.terrisfight.org/   =   Terri's   Fight  .  org

  - [Archive] - (from March '05)


    FR Situation Room:   Terri Schindler (/schiavo) in Florida

Terri S. in Florida

from Terri's Fight Site, -

Terri's struggle for life has ended this morning.
December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005


So all the doctors and therapists who treated Terri are wrong but YOU are right? Huh.

33 doctors disagreed with the doctors who claim that Terri is pvs. Judge Greer ignored them. Nurses have given sworn testitmomy that Terri did eat, did try to talk and knew them. Greer ignored them.
by kcvl

She's hasn't been helped in all the years past because her husband has stopped all therapy, ordered that NO therapy be given her. Terri was able to talk a few words, used to sit at the nurses station and interact with people and was able to eat from a spoor or fork when fed....but hubby put a stop to all of that. He's forbidden her to be taken outside, he's forbidden her window curtains to be opened, etc.....he's shut her off from the world. He had the spoon feeding stopped and insisted she be fed through a tube instead. - by TexasTaysor

What I was referring to, is the occasional incidence of missing brain tissue. I cannot remember the name of the disease now, but in some instances people have had cat scans done that showed only a minimal amount of brain in the peripheral regions of the skull. However, up until these brain scans were done, nobody would have know these people were any different than the average person. They functioned normally. They appeared to have average, above or below intelligence just like the general populace.

Neurologists can't explain that. It's hypocrisy of the highest order for them to pretend they fully understand how the brain works and what Terry's absolute condition is. - by DoughtyOne

    Terri - 4 Images

    What was lacking on FR and elsewhere was a Photo Gallery for Terri.
    There was a need for an official FR Terri Photo Gallery, with pictures AND captions that show the date and photo description. I see a lot of photos posted without any height / width dimensions. I think the IMG Source tech data & ALT captions should be readily available for the photos / graphics.

    Images below: #1: ?? Terri in high school, or after...
    #2: [Image Missing], Terri in her wedding dress
    #3: ?? Terri has a brain disability. During the ~malpractice~ lawsuit, Michael made sure that Terri was well cared for & attractive. He promised the court / ?jury his love and commitment to Terri's future care and therapy. (many more details...) Michael / Terri were awarded a large sum of money (? $750K - $1M+ ), ... ~~ Terri had an 'expertimental' brain implant treatment in California ~~ ... Other than that, Terri never received the therapy and rehablilitation that some doctors & nurses, etc. recommended...
    #4. Terri and her mother, Mary. Terri was disabled for about 15 years after 'the incident'... (For about 10 years ?) ...after the court settlement, therapy was forbidden, by orders of Michael. (many more details...)
    Terri before the 'unexplained incident'Missing Photo: Terri in her wedding dress = height=257Terri, with neurological damage, in a 'locked in' state; but looking goodTerri is responding with a smile to her mother.  Terri clearly shows the effects of 10 years of neglect, by orders of Guardian and husband Michael Schiavo


Hospice - If done right it is wonderful. Here the Hospice is abrogating their mission.

by tort_feasor (FreeRepublic.com - Tommorrow's News, Today)        

I have been at the very end for a person dying in hospice. I was there for the last rights and the final breath. It takes a very special person to work in hospice. Sadly this HAS given hospice a black eye.

Instead of a place of compassion, Michael Shiavo has made them accomplices to murder by court order. - by longtermmemmory

My wife switched jobs and had her uncle on hospice with the old one. When he started actively dying it was a nightmare to get the hospice to come out. We had to call the State. I am a lawyer and my wife was a hospice nurse and we were flumoxed. We shudder at what others go through when there are problems. - by tort_feasor

Even Christopher Shays, who voted against the bill in Congress, said that his reading of the law requires a de novo review, and that the judges are frankly ignoring the clear wishes of Congress. - by B Knotts

----- nobody wants to live this way.....   if their other choice is being healthy. Many want to live this way if their other choice is death. - by Tax-chick

----- It would be fitting for Greer's involvement in this case to end with him being taken into custody on obstruction charges. If he pushes it, that may be what happens. - by Jeff Head

(Note: fwiw.. It was posted... ?? can't arrest the judge. ?? The Florida Legislature would have to impeach him, and then...???)

I hope the next step is to arrest the husband and the judge. Both of them need to be put on trial for attempted murder, and a particularly depraved attempt at that.
  - by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)

I think that Judge Greer has manifestly been obstructing the investigation of the Congress, and that's a federal felony charge if the Congress presses it.
    - by snowsislander (Isa41:17-When the poor and needy seek water,and there is none,and their tongue faileth for thirst...)

"that's a federal felony charge if the Congress presses it." Congress will press it, if THE PEOPLE press CONGRESS. Fire up the keyboards!   - by Blurblogger

But the DCF asked Greer for 60 days to investigate abuse allegations, he denied the request. Nobody crushed Greer for that or took Terri into custody. They let Terri remain in a possibly abusive situation where she was then deprived of food and water. Why do you think they'll do something now?
      - by Graymatter (ON...JEB'S...WATCH.)

Tick tock what is the holdup?

1,109 posted on 03/23/2005 3:04:27 PM PST by keysguy

I hope so. Time is short.

I think Greer is a little arrogant. I think that Gov. Bush would not hold a press conference with a lawyer from DCF if nothing was in the works. They know that poor Terri has little time.

I believe that many, many truths are going to come to light about the prinicipals involved in this over time. The more I read, the more links I follow, the more court documents I look at, the more upset I become at the way Terri has been treated. - by didi

Terri's nurse said Michael provided the best make-up possible, not medical care. - by monkeywrench

Heavenly Father, we return to thank You for the prayers of the saints that have sustained this mother's child through these days and nights. Stand watch over her, O Lord ... soothe her brow and ease her breathing ... diminish her pain by the touch of Your hand. Minister to her in these dark hours with heavenly words of comfort ... may she hear the angelic host ... may her heart be uplifted, even in her agony. Make haste, O God, to rescue her from this torment. Protect her from irreversible harm, whether in this present suffering or from further injury by those who seek her life. Deny them their sacrifice, O Lord ... proclaim anew that in Your hand is the life of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Take hold of the agony of mother and father and sister and brother ... let not the weight of this horror completely overtake them, but give them hope and encouragement, for they have fought so long for their wounded child. Vindicate their love, O God ... vindicate their love. Let them stand before the world as a testimony to the exquisite love of parent for child ... unbroken by circumstance and unrelenting in faith. Soon, Lord Jesus, soon may they again hold their beloved, that they might nurture her once again to the fullness of health and capability. May it be thus, O Lord, may it be thus, in the Name of Jesus, Amen ... - by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)

= Will try to get an updated List of FR Articles: These are from Last Friday, March 18, 2005 = Summary of Friday's Articles: (Fri. 9:38pm)


SAVE TERRI Online Petition - by JuliePierce


Terri's Starvation Commences: Terri's "Exit Protocol" Begins

Attorney: Terri Cried at News

Terri: 'I Waaaannt [To Live]'

Terri S. requested to testify. ( Good news! )

Barbarity in America (Terri S.)

Terri's Slow Painful Death Begins

Myths About Terri S.

The Once And For All Terri Schiavo's NOT Vegetative Thread!

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"The care of human life and happiness, not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government." - Thomas Jefferson

<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/~terri/#con-media"> Examples of the 'Conservative' media abandoning Terri - March 2005</a>                

  Examples of the 'Conservative' media abandoning Terri - March 2005

The article title says in part: "A New Low… Liberal Media".   What about Examples of the 'Conservative' media abandoning Terri - March 2005?

I remember how at least a couple of radio hosts in the 'conservative' media betrayed Terri in her final days.

The bopsi twins / tag team of Hewitt & Hogue-it (KTKZ - Sacto).

It started with a court or Supreme Court decision that ruled against Terri. On a national level, we heard from Hewitt, '... it's all over, the Court has ruled, it's the Law, the Law, there's nothing we can do', (let Terri be killed...)

It must have been the next morning or so, that listeners here in Sacramento heard from Hogue-it. What was most important to him at that time? Arnold's petitions. Nothing could interfere with getting signatures for the petitions. I guess it never occurred to anyone to include a petition for Terri, right here in California.

'...We would like to help Terri, but what are we supposed do?' Hewitt & Hogue-it both had concerns about a rescue by state officers or federal agents. Concerned about a shootout, what if other patients get hurt or killed. Again, Terri being starved for certain was less important. And then, echoing Hewitt, 'the Court ruled, the Law, the Law, blah, blah, ... nothing we can do', (let Terri be murdered.)

Hogue-it, early in the morning, all concerned about the petitions, and believing that it was time to kick Terri under the bus. Everyone, be sure to stop on by the parking lot and sign the petitions.

For the archive, it would be nice to have a recording of one particular phone call. The caller had a familiar voice. I wonder if it was "Sacto Dan"? The caller wanted someone to intervene to stop the murder of Terri.

But Hogue-it, he was all cranked up on Cornerstone, 'WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSSED TO DO?!!! - THE COURT RULED!! - blah, blah...' Hogue-it hounding a regular caller.

DEAD AIR. - (What every broadcaster dreads. Was it five seconds or more?)

"Eric, it's not right."


~ 'To all you listeners out there, - be sure to stop by and sign the petitions, and get your free cup of Cornerstone...!!'

Had Terri somehow become an embarrassment to some of the GOP or to some conservatives? Did George & Jeb really care about Terri, or were they just going through the motions? There have
been reports of political / fund raising connections to supporters, hospice owners, or others who prefer that the seriously disabled would cease to exist.

One Terri FReeper tells of a Coast Guard Capt. that was ordered to fly his helicopter to pick up Terri and fly her out of Florida. But then his orders were countermanded. No help for Terri. At what level in the chain of command would that decision be made?

Did Hewitt & Hogue-it make personal decisions to abandon Terri, or did they get orders 'from on high'?

Does anyone else remember these details? Or, do you have other examples of 'conservative' media abandoning Terri?

This info in Post 45

A New Low… Liberal Media Now Running Terri Shiavo “Pull the Plug” Musical Comedy for Children

On the Terri Page: Examples of the 'Conservative' media abandoning Terri - March 2005

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