Posted on 05/23/2007 9:05:49 AM PDT by Equality 7-2521
My brother has told me several times that, as a libertarian, I should be far more sympathetic to the ideas of liberalism than to those of conservatism. I believe his rationale is that libertarians generally agree with liberals about more issues than they do with conservatives. Of course, I’ve never debated that point because I agree with it. It’s just that some of the conservative issues always seemed to rank higher on my “personal issues” list than those of liberals. After almost 7 years of a so-called neocon in the Executive and 12 years of conservatives controlling Congress, my opinions have changed.
It’s not that I don’t still find conservative issues regarding liberty more important, it’s just that I don’t find very many real conservatives holding office. The whole feigned outrage with the most conservative member of Congress after the last debate drives this home. It brings the lying hypocrisy of the neocons right out into the light for the whole world to see. It shows their “big tent” to be a reverse TARDIS–that is, it looks much bigger on the outside than it really is on the inside. Read the rest of this entry »
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It shouldn’t be happening at all. And when you combine the Drug War with RICO property seizures you have some very perverse incentives...
BTW, Donald Scott was the guy murdered for his land.
And we would be better off chucking those millions of alcoholics in the pokey, right?
It isn't the government job.
Plus, you try and sell my kids drugs I'll take it the same as if you were trying to poison them. Do that, and you get to meet Gladys.
Again, a self correcting problem.
Wow... Congrats! I'm in for some interesting local fights when I get back up to MN as well. DFL socialists are everywhere up there. Time a few of them got some heartburn. ;-)
An armed playground is a polite playground.
Of course! How silly of me.
The only movement that is looks exactly like the Founders is the libertarian movement. Why “conserve” when you could be LIKE the Founders except their faith in deitism and masonicism.
I was part of an attemt to kill off a historic neighborhood/ restriction of property rights locally. We framed it strictly as an intrusion on homeowners and what they could do to thier own property.
Of course we did not hide the fact that many of us were libertarians...the letters to the editor speaking against us came down to us using this issue as a means to install crack shacks and cathouses...it back fired on them to a certain extent, and the ones that went of topic were taken to task for doing so...it ended up being a good public relation coup for the local liberty lovers, and yes you can fight city hall...
take care,
Libertarianism when it translates into isolationism and protectionism can cause huge consequences and the Constitution in the hands of the Libertarians becomes a document blind to the cause of justice.
Nope - not my point at all. These MILLIONS of people wouldn't be alcoholics if alcohol were illegal. Alcohol would be too hard to obtain. But with easy access, hey, anybody can become an alcoholic. But I guess that's their legal right - to become alcoholics, if they so choose. Right? Same with cigarettes. Same with anything. Make it legal and provide easy access to it - anybody can become addicted to anything. And even with the substances that are illegal, the pro-drug people seem to have no trouble finding them, or selling them to your children.
His actual words were as follows:
"We have no government armed in power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
In the context of this discussion, the upshot of Adams's statement is precisely as I said: the moral foundations come first -- and only then can a libertarian society be formed.
The converse is not true: you cannot achieve the idealized libertarian society simply by getting rid of government and letting people act however they wish, in hopes that paradise would be attained by attrition. If that were possible, Mogadishu and Watts would be garden spots ... but they're not.
I don’t think the framers of the Declaration of Independence had the drug culture in mind when they wrote that, do you?
sound familiar?
"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
--Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President. Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives
By "you morons" I assume you mean schools, which, in case you've forgotten, ARE run by the government. Schools used to teach morality and manners, etc. Now they are pushing the opposite agenda - immorality, homosexuality, day of silence, abortion, etc. So, yes, at this point, it is no longer the job of government to teach morals. It is incapable of doing that anymore.
I won’t say that libertarianism doesn’t have isolationist tendency’s but where did you pull protectionism from? That’s like a commie supporting free trade.
No,but they were famailiar with licentious behavior and morals...
What it boils down to is: how many exceptions to liberty do you want to come up with?
if you want to wrap yourself up in bubblewrap and strap on an air filter to leave the house, great!
Sorry, but freedom is messy and you won't always agree with your neighbor or how he lives and what he consumes. Freedom is not being free from things that offend. A lot of tolerance as well as compassion is needed. Force of law does not stop stupid, self damaging, behaviors.
Ayn Rand was a good pragmatist, which is not what the Libertarians are about.
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