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To: nitzy

Nice find.

So we created Al Qaeda and we created ISIS.

Perhaps we should stop ‘helping’ the Middle East?

Oh. We created the current Iran by installing the Shah.
Made a mess in Iraq, Libya, Ukraine...


9 posted on 04/17/2024 11:54:17 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Cui bono


10 posted on 04/17/2024 12:01:24 PM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: TigerClaws

“Nice find. “So we created Al Qaeda and we created ISIS.”

Not true in either case. Read my long post on this thread.

But first off Osama Bin Laden created Al Queda, not the U.S., long before 9/11. ISIS developed internally in Iraq from defeated Sunni terrorist groups, including some Al Queda, once the U.S. and Iraq forces quelled the civil war there. They were still active even if small, before the business in Syria broke out. Then they took advantage of the Syrian situation by recruiting Sunni fighters that wanted to go after the Muslim heretic, Assad, which ISIS was able to do in Syria because of the disarry there. There were no bodies ally in Syria. Not Assad’s, or the west’s. Eventually the U.S. and the Kurds mopped up most of them in Syria, and the Kurds and the Iraqis did the same in Iraq.

Again, for the U.S. another case of consequences not intentions.


16 posted on 04/17/2024 12:50:24 PM PDT by Wuli ( )
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To: TigerClaws

“Nice find.

So we created Al Qaeda and we created ISIS.

Perhaps we should stop ‘helping’ the Middle East?

Oh. We created the current Iran by installing the Shah.
Made a mess in Iraq, Libya, Ukraine...”

And the seed planted before Al Qaeda was us backing the Taliban against Russia. So yes, we pretty much created and trained Al Qaeda during that involvement. We made and trained Bin Ladin.

It all circles back to our CIA getting involved where they should not have.

Why? War profits.


20 posted on 04/17/2024 3:12:52 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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