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The Growing Weakness of Western Artillery Capabilities
New Eastern Outlook ^ | 3/26/24 | Brian Berletic

Posted on 04/11/2024 7:32:41 AM PDT by hardspunned

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To: MeganC

Your Zeeper filter glasses are really blue and yellow tinted. This is not the case across the board. Even with the M777 UFH towed field howitzer, the US had to get BAE to restart production of them so it could replace what it gave UKR from its on-line inventory and to provide more for the future. This is NOT ‘mothballed or slated for disposal.’ An overly broad disingenuous comment if you ask me.


41 posted on 04/11/2024 1:46:09 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: DarthVader

Which has nothing do with any of my posts and which I do and always have completely agreed with.

You said “Your assertations are delusional!” which one can you quote and say is wrong.

You seem to be having a conversation with someone else besides me and are seeing things that I’m not saying.


42 posted on 04/11/2024 1:48:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

We don’t have improvements to our readiness. Those articles and videos I have posted I have all read and watched the videos. Plus a whole lot more from think tanks and US government sources. Also many conversations from former and current professionals. It’s time for us to take a step back and diffuse this situation before it turns into a catastrophe.


43 posted on 04/11/2024 1:59:08 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader

Read the post again with a little calm.

This Russian invasion has led to many huge improvements in the direction of military readiness in America, our Western allies and our Pacific allies.

While we can list problems and deficiencies we should also try and see the vast improvements of the last 2 years, we aren’t in the war but we get to see what we need and the wake-up calls are powerful enough that they are leading to concrete changes, not just in weapons manufacturing but also in new war awareness and cooperation among our global friends.


44 posted on 04/11/2024 2:12:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: DarthVader
No offense, Darth - but the very limited view of the weapon system makes it likely that it was a Russian-made D42, not anything we make (M198 or M777),

I commanded a M198 battalion and we had a war trophy D42 outside my office.

The very brief view of the Gunner yanking the lanyard shows him still standing behind the gun, not blown to smithereens as would be, if the breech failed.

45 posted on 04/11/2024 2:15:45 PM PDT by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Gaffer

Think what you want.

My question is since the materiel being sent to Ukraine is already paid for and the replacements are already paid for then what is all the billions of dollars paying for?


46 posted on 04/11/2024 2:25:52 PM PDT by MeganC ("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
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To: DarthVader

“The ammo we have slated for disposal can still be good depending on how it was stored.”

Many dead Ruzzians would agree with you. Still, this stuff is past its ‘best-by’ date and it was/is slated for disposal.


47 posted on 04/11/2024 2:27:33 PM PDT by MeganC ("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
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To: hardspunned

“You’re killing me”

Happy to be of service!


48 posted on 04/11/2024 2:30:42 PM PDT by MeganC ("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
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To: MeganC

The point IS that those M777s were given to UKR (along with 40K rounds of shells) and now they US Army is buying more to replace the ones they gave away. The M777 may be an older system, but it is NOT mothballed and is still considered the US go-to towed artillery piece. You’re vastly generalizing what’s going on here and not being truthful with it, IMO.


49 posted on 04/11/2024 2:50:14 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MeganC

And, those ‘billions of dollars’ are paying for retirements, salaries, other civil costs as well as unspecified, unaudited expenses. Who knows where all that money is going/went.


50 posted on 04/11/2024 2:51:44 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ansel12; DarthVader; Gaffer; MeganC
A, Tx for your info. DV, Tx for your info. G, Tx for your info.

DV, I cleaned up some of the URL's.

H/T Gaffer

Re M777 UFH towed field howitzer, the US had to get BAE to restart production of them so it could replace what it gave UKR from its on-line inventory and to provide more for the future.

H/T DarthVader

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51 posted on 04/11/2024 2:55:46 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: hardspunned

directly tracks the weakness of America’s academic institution.

Its a no-brainer


52 posted on 04/11/2024 2:58:04 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: ansel12

I am working on this problem right now. We have made improvements but they are not vast as we do not have the required warfighting capability we are going to need to meet the new threats. The articles I posted and other public resources affirm this. The Biden administration is 3 days late and billions of dollars short on what needs to happen to be able to get into a deterrence stance. I’m not sure we have the time.


53 posted on 04/11/2024 3:00:21 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: MeganC

Your views are not up to par and you have a very sophomoric understanding of the national security threats are and how this can turn real bad fast.


54 posted on 04/11/2024 3:02:04 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Chainmail

I got to see it on a big screen and I see it now. This video has been tampered with, But there is lots of IW going on here from both sides but this administration has tons of deficiencies and I still have very valid concerns.


55 posted on 04/11/2024 3:05:39 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: linMcHlp

Thanks and yes there is lots we need to be concerned about. There is so much more similar information coming out like this and its been for a few months.


56 posted on 04/11/2024 3:08:08 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader

You don’t have to tell me about military shortcomings but that is not the conversation.

Read that post again, no one is talking about general military readiness but what has improved in the last 2 years, like new factories, new NATO members, new military budgets, new weapons orders, new cooperation, new war awareness, NATO moving away from Russian energy, shortcomings exposed, new ideas of which weapons systems to focus on, etc.

If you are so up on things how is it that you keep seeming to not be aware of any benefits to us and the West coming from this Russian debacle in Ukraine from our stagnation and complacency of 30 months ago?


57 posted on 04/11/2024 3:11:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

All of those new NATO members and infrastructure that have been added can be destroyed before they can have any significant impact. We live in a new age of warfare both technology and force. For every thing you have stated there is an equal or superior capability that has been added.


58 posted on 04/11/2024 3:35:25 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader

Whatever, I’m still prettier than you are.


59 posted on 04/11/2024 3:40:05 PM PDT by MeganC ("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
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To: MeganC

I could careless.


60 posted on 04/11/2024 3:46:45 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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