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Handgun Defense Against Bears, Caliber NOT Critical as Thought
AmmoLand ^ | May 1 2024 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/06/2024 8:04:47 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain

Maybe you’re decent at math only 2/3ds of the time.


21 posted on 05/06/2024 8:30:13 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Dementia ain't just a river in Egypt. )
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To: ansel12

The Minx...
I’ve upgraded to the 21A and dream
Of one with a Can!
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Pocket Mouse Gun ——YeeHaw!


22 posted on 05/06/2024 8:31:30 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: bobbo666
the 45 was DESIGNED to be the minimum caliber that will drop a cow with one shot... they shot a series of cows with various calibers until they got one that did the job consistently.


23 posted on 05/06/2024 8:32:41 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: Alas Babylon!

An Inuit woman once held the worlds record for killing the largest grizzly. She shot it through the eyeball and into the brain with a .22 rifle.


24 posted on 05/06/2024 8:32:58 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - M. Thatcher)
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To: telescope115

>shooting that .454 was…..brutal.

Similar to a S&W .500 magnum. It will bruise your palm and place and create an indent on your forehead if you don’t hold it properly.


25 posted on 05/06/2024 8:33:31 AM PDT by fretzer
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To: BipolarBob

kudos


26 posted on 05/06/2024 8:35:19 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: telescope115

The running joke is that if you find someone trying to sell a used large caliber handgun, it will come with a box of ammo with two rounds missing.


27 posted on 05/06/2024 8:36:02 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - M. Thatcher)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

9mm is what I have for EDC. Not long after they first came out, I bought a Springfield Armory Omega, chambered in 10mm. This was around 1990.
That had some oomph to it. I liked it quite a bit, but ammo became scarce and expensive, so I sold it and bought an SA XD9 subcompact. That’s one of my
EDCs now. I wish I still had that 10 mm though…..


28 posted on 05/06/2024 8:36:51 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: telescope115

I’ve long thought that the 500 S&W cartridge would be an excellent round for a lever gun.


29 posted on 05/06/2024 8:37:37 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - M. Thatcher)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good aim, or very lucky.

Either way, impressive job.


30 posted on 05/06/2024 8:38:52 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: marktwain
Warning shots are seriously underrated because most successful warning shots are not reported.

If they're not reported, how do we know that they're seriously underrated?


31 posted on 05/06/2024 8:39:04 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: bobbo666
This was experimentally done as part of the design process of the 1911. Yes, they shot a series of cows with various calibers until they got one that did the job consistently.

They must have had one heck of a barbeque afterwards.

32 posted on 05/06/2024 8:41:31 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: bobbo666
In addition, the 45 was DESIGNED to be the minimum caliber that will drop a cow with one shot. This was experimentally done as part of the design process of the 1911. Yes, they shot a series of cows with various calibers until they got one that did the job consistently.

Sorta, kinda.

I have read the Thompson-LaGarde tests, which is almost certainly what the above is referring to.

As a scientist, their test design was poor, and tended to reach conclusions they were already biased toward. (confirmation bias).

None of the cows they shot, as I recall, went down right now, unless it was a brain shot.

"Stopping power" is an extremely difficult thing to measure. However, we know penetration of the brain and direct hits on the spinal column are pretty reliable stoppers. Breaking bones to stop/restrict motion, work nearly as well, as they give an ability to shoot more followup shots.

The .45 is an excellent cartridge. It has stood the test of time. It is not magic.

33 posted on 05/06/2024 8:44:42 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s no joke. When I sold the 10mm, with it went 2 boxes of Winchester Silvertip Hollowpoints, with 7 rounds missing, and a 20 rd box of the original Norma
200 gr. FMJ. I shot up the other boxes I had. Like I said, I do regret selling it now, but I think I made the right decision at the time.


34 posted on 05/06/2024 8:45:57 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Probably not the eyeball. Here is a good rendition, with the best research available.
35 posted on 05/06/2024 8:48:19 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: bobbo666

“Yes, they shot a series of cows with various calibers until they got one that did the job consistently.”

—————RESULTS—————

We are not acquainted with any bullet fired from a hand weapon that will stop a determined enemy when the projectile traverses soft parts alone. The requirements of such a bullet would need to have a sectional area like that of a 3-inch solid shot the recoil from which when used in hand weapons would be prohibitive. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson%E2%80%93LaGarde_Tests


36 posted on 05/06/2024 8:49:08 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: marktwain

My .45 is for scaring a bear. My AR-10 is for killing a bear.


37 posted on 05/06/2024 8:50:37 AM PDT by MeganC ("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
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To: Big Red Badger

I would sure prefer a 380 or at least a 22 long.


38 posted on 05/06/2024 8:52:10 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: fidelis
If they're not reported, how do we know that they're seriously underrated?

I have talked to numerous people who have lived in bear country and who had numerous encounters with brown(grizzly) and black bears. Nearly all of them tell me warning shots work most of the time, and there is no reason to report them to the authorities.

So, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence both about the success of warning shots, and the lack of reporting.

In addition, the authorities in the Svalbard Archipelago require warning shots and or flash/bang "bear banger" fireworks. For aggressive and/or curious polar bears.

Similarly, in their literature they claim warning shots work most of the time.

39 posted on 05/06/2024 8:56:07 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: telescope115

Mr. GG2 carried Springfield Armory both in .40mm XD and .9mm XDE for years. He just recently switched to CZ in .9mm. I have two Rugers in .9mm and in Georgia the average bear weighs 125lbs so unless you run into a monster the .9mm should get the job done.


40 posted on 05/06/2024 8:59:50 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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