Terri Receives Sacrament of Communion - 6 p.m. Just Announced

FOX news | March 27, 2005

[CitizenM]

Just announced:

Just announced on FOX. 6 p.m. They have given Terri the Sacrament of Communion. News reporter is saying that this is the first request that has been granted. True. However, I recall that Judge Greer said he would permit it, when death was imminent. So, I am concerned we might get some additional news. Pray for Terri's soul to be blessed and held in God's loving hands.

[CitizenM]

Exactly - morphine, to ease labored breathing and make the patient "more comfortable." What, a patient who MS and his attorney, and the Judge said cannot feel pain or discomfort?

And, in addition, morphine affects the heart, and causes the heart to stop in such a situation. Terri will expire from heart stoppage - not starvation/dehydration. They did this to expedite the death. It is EUTHANASIA/MURDER in its purest form.

I just ache for her and her family. She could have lived with them and they would have cared for her, no matter what condition. Now they cannot even go to her funeral, which Michael is not permitting; or stand at her graveside since Michael is having her cremated immediately and sent to his family plot in Levittown, Pa (near Philadelphia).

It is all so cruel and so very, very heartless. With no need, no need at all. Unless there is a dark underside that he is hiding for some reason. That will haunt everyone. But, one day, the truth will be known and we will all know and have to accept whatever it is.

[jan in Colorado]

Thanks Fred.

[El Gran Salseron]

I didn't read it on this thread but on other threads and there have been many. That particular link has been repeated over and over again.

Medications are one thing. His "warnings" about MS's behavior are quite another. That part, I would think, is hearsay. I am not at all discussing ethics or lack thereof on the doctor's part. My personal response to anyone who lacks the ethics to violate the confidentiality statute would have 0% credibility. Therefore, his comments about anyone's behavior would be considered by me to be hearsay.

It would seem, too, that all of the "warnings" from people who knew MS previously would also be considered hearsay.

All he has to do is to say otherwise and all of these "warnings" become hearsay.

I already know that psychologists cannot prescribe meds. Psychiatrists, who are full MDs, have to prescribe meds. I never said that psycholigists could and have no idea why you brought that up. It goes even further than that. Psychiatrists cannot, for example, prescribe meds for a common cold. A regular ol' MD has to do that.

I know that Wellbutrin can cause but not necessarily will cause extreme agitation and can drive the individual to some strange behaviors if not "balanced" with other anti-anxiety meds. I have actually seen the results of someone taking too much Wellbutrin without the "balancers." It's not pretty. It is used as an anti-depressant and in some strange cases as med to help kick the smoking habit. I am not familiar with the other meds and, quite honestly, have never even heard of them. It could very well be that the other meds were the "balancers" for the Wellbutrin but that is just a guess on my part.

I'm not angry. That rarely happens. Too laid back for that or maybe just too old and lazy.....realize that life is not about anger. :-) I also have no idea why you broached the subject of anger.

I sincerely thought that we were having an intelligent exchange of ideas/opinions, etc. Chill. :-) Gotta go.....about to fall asleep at the wheel.

[danamco]

You don't know what you're talking about.

What an argument! You just made your point!! 'Nuf said!!!

[danamco]

"To read these threads on would think that the man ate babies."

Yeah, and brutally raped and tortured them before he ate them!


Is this annyokie for real???

[CitizenM]

So, they're giving her, in essence, morphine to hasten her death.

Yes. Often done in terminally patients in their last days, after other bodily functions have shut down. I have witnessed it several times, very sadly. Most recently, I watched my brother die from cancer. He had a feeding tube. It dissolved/rotted away inside, or became dislocated I cannot remember which. He wanted to die at home, and his wife and my sister were tending to him and discovered it. They was horrified. By this time he had already begun to dehydrate.

I got there two days later. His tongue was dark and swollen, his eyes were sinking, his skin was peeling and nearly transparent in some areas. He had a skeletol like appearance. He had three small children and was only 35. The youngest one, only 5 said "Daddy looks like Jesus on the cross," we were all amazed. Children know. No one could ever call that a beautiful, peaceful death. We knew it was near the end, as he was just a mere image of a man.

The doctor, luckily, was a neighbor and stopped every day. He came and gave him additional morphine in an IV and he passed 2 days later. We knew the reason: assist the breathing by lowering his rate so breathing was not labored; and slow down the heartbeat. That was the way it was described to us. So from the time they discovered the feeding tube problem, till when he died it was just 4 days. Terri is amazing, she is holding on in spite of everything.

But his was a progressive disease - not at all like Terri. Terri was a healthy person, being fed by a tube. All the doctors have stated her health was good. She was not dying before they stopped feeding her. It is an enormous difference, but the end result, with the morphine, is the same.

[CitizenM]

I already know that psychologists cannot prescribe meds. Psychiatrists, who are full MDs, have to prescribe meds. I never said that psycholigists could and have no idea why you brought that up. It goes even further than that. Psychiatrists cannot, for example, prescribe meds for a common cold. A regular ol' MD has to do that.

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Hey, you got me there. I got you mixed up with that annie oakley gal on here. Sorry about that.

Otherwise, yes I do feel you and I are having a very good exchange. I just did not want it to get out of hand as has been happening on this thread. Sorry if I seemed to be scholding, I was simply requesting.

Gotta hit the sheetzzzz too. Nite! Pray for Terri, Pray for the Pope if you feel inclined. And pray for all of us who are under the darkness of this contraversy.

[ClancyJ]

Gosh Australia.......

I always assume I am talking to someone in America. We are truly international - the liberals would be so impressed.

Well the state of Florida is where Terri lives and so their laws apply to her in state matters which this is. I am highly suspicious of why this is going on also. Florida is a retirement state and supposedly there are many people without surviving relatives, so the estates could flow to the state. Also, with so many elderly the costs of medicine and care are high.

Our coastal states are usually more liberal than others except Florida is now a Bush supporter. Yet a state with high number of elderly would draw the euthanasia crowd.

I wonder why the legislature turned decisions over to the end-of-life panel for them to recommend and immediately put into law without going through legislative process. But they have already had two test cases and they surely will not stop there.

Now in pondering why all this is going on, I am suspicious of course because we are seeing far too much effort expended to kill this one woman who is really not a problem to anyone. Why? Notice how any legal maneuver to save her is slapped down immediately with a vengence, notice how the Schlinders have NEVER BEEN ABLE to get a break in this. And, now notice how all politicians have suddenly become very quiet.

Why would the legislature not act to help Terri? I think they met with a strong level of support against Terri. Why would the euthanasia movement allow the legislature to halt their one created test case to allow the state to kill its citizens and condition the public to accept it.

Maybe we should each check the current state laws were we live and just find out exactly what revisions to end-of-life issues are going on and what the laws are.

This is a wake up call - some may not hold to the sanctity of life when it comes to wielding power. Why are we to be their cattle to be slaughtered when our upkeep is too high or we are inconvenient. To allow this means that all are no longer treated equal.

And what about the country we leave to the next generation? What will be in their future in America because of what we allowed or did not prevent?

[mjtobias]

Thanks for the morphine explanation. Just as I tought: they're giving her morphine to hasten her death.

And, so sorry to hear about your brother. My God, so young and 3 little children. God bless those children. These things are not supposed to happen to 35-year-old young man.

[CitizenM]

Thank you. I did not post the story of my experience for any other reason other than to illustrate that I have seen what happens. I truly thank you for your kindness. Watching this with Terri is, however, like going through some of those days all over again. My sister-in-law is having a rough time. She forbids the children to see any of it. She has bought them a whole slew of new DVD and video games to keep them away from the TV. Good for her, we say.

[mjtobias]

I agree completely with your sister to keep her children away from the "dummy" box as much as possible. Nothing in there for them other than to poison their minds and spirits.

[Fred Nerks]

The fact that Florida is known as the retirement state is what made me suspicious to begin with. I agree with your comments re Terri. There is far too much effort being made to kill just one woman, there has to be something much bigger behind this. Poor Terri. She's nothing but a pawn. And when she is no longer alive, her entire family will still be living with this nightmare.
Terri is, as you say, a test case that has been created. From the moment she entered that hospice, she was meant to die. I believe the feeding tube was inserted not because she couldn't swallow, but because to kill her, some form of 'life support' was needed...to be removed...to comply with the new laws.
Finding Terri, with a husband who wanted her to die, suited the euthenasia lobby only too well. If her parents had been her guardians, she would have received therapy and be alive and well.
The world is watching, but what will be learned? Our MSM still refer to Terri as 'the woman who is brain-dead' - and call this issue 'her right to die' when in fact, her right to LIVE has been taken away.

[Gimme]

The picture says it all.

[Gondring]

And the stuff about Mr. Schindler that is NOT baseless! Abuse of Mrs. Schiavo, poking her in the head and berating her, is on videotape, right?

[danamco]

I think it's a falsehood. Strangulation is quite easy to prove.




How much more proof do you need?


DR. WALKER'S BONE SCAN DEPOSITION-----11/21/2003


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Now, Dr. Walker....

Q The report goes on to say, "The
10 presumption is that the other multiple areas of
11 abnormal activity also relate to previous trauma."

12 A That's what it says.

13 Q And, again, that's based on the fact that
14 Dr. Carnahan is a rehab physician, that you were
15 asked to evaluate for trauma?

16 A And the pattern of activity is fairly
17 typical of multiple traumatic injuries of relatively
18 recent origin.

19 Q I realize you can't assign a cause to
20 these injuries that you picked up in this report.
21 But typically in your experience, what would be the
22 causes of this pattern of abnormality?

23 A In somebody her age, an auto accident is
24 by far the most typical cause.

25 Q Assume that she was not in an auto
P- 29
1 accident but that she had suffered an anoxic or
2 hypoxic encephalopathy type of injury from a cardiac
3 arrest and had been bedridden for a year at this
4 point. What might account for these abnormalities?

5 A In my knowledge, that type of injury.
6 would not account for this pattern of abnormalities.

22 Q Would a kick be the kind of direct blow
23 that would produce that femoral abnormality?

24 A That would be a possibility, yes.

25 Q Would being thrown into a sharp furniture
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1 corner?

2 A That would be a possibility.

3 Q Would being struck with some sort of
4 blunt object like a golf club or something do it?

5 A Yes.

[danamco]

I think it's a falsehood. Strangulation is quite easy to prove. Do you need more proof to see what a "nice" guy MS is??? Affidavit of Carla Iyer, nurse who cared for Terri Schiavo from April 1995 to July 1996 Terri's Fight (website established on Terri's behalf by her parents and that side of the family) ^ | August 29, 2003 | Carla Iyer Posted on 10/23/2003 5:58:54 PM PDT by First_Salute AFFIDAVIT _________ STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: 1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge. 2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years. 3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there. 4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction "Do what Michael Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated." This struck me as extremely odd. -1- 5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as "This is my order and you're going to follow it." He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting. 6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because Michael wanted nothing done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, -2- and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy. 7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as "mommy," and "help me." "Help me" was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word "pain" when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like "pay." She didn't say the "n" sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying "pay" and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper and scooted in bed on her bottom. 8. When I came into her room and said "Hi, Terri", she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying "Haaaiiiii" sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a "hi", which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound -3- being only a second or two long. When I told her humrous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that. 9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused -4- on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include "Can't anything be done to accelerate her death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter. 10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like, -5- "Hallelujah! You've made my day!" He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to be rich!" and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things. 11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don't have -6- any way of knowing for sure. 12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn Adams, known as "Andy" Adams who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as "They are old - let them die." I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my "rocking the boat." 13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at -7- night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him. 14. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 29 day of August, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida's driver's license as identification, and who did take an oath. Notary Public My commission expires

[danamco]

She is and was dead for the last 15 years.


What a stupid and uninformed statement! If it was not for the seriousness of the situation, I would have ROFLMAO!!

[danamco]

PROVE the horrific accusations about Michael Schiavo.

To read these threads on would think that the man ate babies.


I hope none of your 3 kids would come in the same situation as Terri so that you could yank that feeding tube our of them!!!

[Fred Nerks]

Thank you for posting the Affidavit.

[Mad Mammoth]

Many Christians felt the same way about Paul. I can't say I would have blamed them. I am just saying that Saul proves to us that no one is too bad for salvation. I pray for MS, along with judge Greer, and every other person who has had to make very difficult decisions in this process.

When one has made their bed with Evil, the decisions aren't difficult at all.

P.S. - I knew Saul, Saul was a friend of mine, and Michael Schiavo, Felos and Greer are no Saul.