Posted on 10/08/2005 12:26:13 PM PDT by Fog Nozzle
MSM reports on the OU bomber are careful to point out that Hinrichs was not a convert to Islam. My question is: What does it take to convert? A study course, a ritual of acceptance, public acknowledgement, name change, beard growth, mosque attendance, granting of a certificate, etc.
More likely Hinrichs was in the process of converting his roommate, Cheema, to Lutheranism, eh?
I don't know too many Lutherans who wear explosives. I'd look at the roommate as having making some threat or blackmail since the belt/vest was remotely detonated.
Good point.
There is no definition of being Muslim.
In fact there is no structure to the entire so called Religion of Peace.
Anyone who calls himself an immam IS and immam, and you mve up the chian by accumulating hangers on, rather than by being schooled and or appointed.
Whether he converted or not is irrelevant. The question is whether he was influenced to attempt a suicide massacre by Islam?
That's only speculated at this point. No way to know for sure.
I am a Lutheran and I've never worn a bomb.
Your question:
MSM reports on the OU bomber are careful to point out that Hinrichs was not a convert to Islam. My question is: What does it take to convert?
I'd say that to give one's life, as a suicide bomber -- whether successful or not in killing anyone else -- is fairly good proof that one has converted to the religion of death. Don't you agree?
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What are the requirements of a Non-Muslim who wishes to convert?
Every person is born a Muslim because we are all created by God. Therefore, a preferred term would be reversion rather than conversion. A non-Muslim becomes a Muslim when he believes in his heart : "There is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His Messenger" Hence, belief in the Unity and Oneness of God and that Muhammad is his Messenger makes one a Muslim at heart. Recommended steps:
* Officially convert by pronouncing the shahadah (pledge of conviction of faith) in Arabic thus: "Ash HaduAllaa Ilaaha Il-lallaah Wa Ash Hadu Anna Muhammadar Rasullulah" which means "I bear Witness that there is no deity but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad if His Messenger". The pledge is to be taken in front of at least two adult Muslim witnesses.
* It is recommended that he/she take a Muslim name
* It is recommended that he/she take up a basic course on Islam (if he/she hasn't already) and keep the company of other Muslims
Is it compulsory for a Non-Muslim man to be circumcised upon conversion?
A boy who has not attained puberty must be circumcised when his family converts to Islam. Circumcision is optional for a man above the age of puberty. But he who opts not to be circumcised should regularly clean the area underneath the foreskin of his penis because, in Islam, cleanliness of the body is obligatory for performing prayers. "
http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/islam_conversion_main.htm
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I wonder what happens if they can't pronounce ""Ash HaduAllaa Ilaaha Il-lallaah Wa Ash Hadu Anna Muhammadar Rasullulah?"
My idea I call, Dislam. We take of Disney, then create an Islamic 'Mickey Mouse.' Maybe a camel named Uncle Samel. I'm open to ideas.
Anyway, Samel the Camel takes on Osama bin Bad, a Bluto-like character.
Throw in a beautiful princess that we use to break them of that 'virgin-in-heaven-thing,' and we have a regular covert project to convert these idiots up from their current place 700 years in the past.
One must say the Shahada:"Ilaha illa Allah. Muhammad rasul Alla" meaning "there is no god but Allah. Mohammand is the messenger of Allah". And presto! you are a moslem. Now, I hope you are not planning to convert, I hope I haven't given you a one-way ticket to hell ;-)
As for converting to Islam, it is a very simple and easy thing, consisting of your pronouncing the two testimonies of faith (al-shahaadatain). You will find the details regarding this as well as other relevant information in the answer to question #114, #179, and #378.
How do you unconvert? You can't. Islam is heavy into the body count and hates to lose a stooge. Punishment can be severe for apostates
I believe forensic analysis of the bomb site know by now whether there was a receiver for a remote detonation.
Really? I thought beheading was a routine punishment!
What it takes to convert to this ideology: hatred of Christianity, hatred of this nation, hatred of oneself, a need to stick it to authority, in fact everything it takes to become a Communist or a member of organized crime.
Not sure. Has anyone looked into any other organizations that he would endorsed or have had a membership? Marxists groups have also been known to blow up others.
Shahada? Wasn't that the retro musical group that guy Bowser was in?
Here's a good article from yesterday on Accuracy in Media.
http://www.aim.org/guest_column/4077_0_6_0_C/
Terrorism Strikes the Heartland
By Cinnamon Stillwell | October 7, 2005
No sooner had the dust settled when officials tried to play the bombing off as the act of yet another crazed "lone gunman" type.
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If you happened to be browsing the Internet last weekend, the headline, "Suicide bombing in Oklahoma" just might have caught your attention. After all, it's not every day that there's a terrorist attack on U.S. soil and supposedly there hasn't been one since 9/11.
But that's exactly what happened outside a packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma on Saturday night (10/1). 21-year-old engineering student Joel Henry Hinrichs III of Colorado Springs detonated a bomb near the stadium, killing himself in the process. The explosion was so powerful that people up to four miles away reported hearing it and windows in the George L. Cross building 100 yards away shattered. One of the drivers of several buses parked in a nearby lot was taken to the hospital after being knocked over by the blast
No one else was injured and 84,000 fans left the stadium, mostly unaware of the magnitude of what occurred outside. Some reported hearing the explosion and seeing rising smoke, as did a few people living in the area. There was a brief delay following the game during which crowds were kept inside while authorities combed the area for evidence and other potential threats. According to Douglas Hagmann, Director of the Northeast Intelligence Network, an anonymous official later confirmed that "other un-detonated explosive devices were found in the area cordoned off by police and federal officials" and were brought in for further testing.
No sooner had the dust settled when officials tried to play the bombing off as the act of yet another crazed "lone gunman" type. Oklahoma University (OU) President David Boren, no doubt trying to protect the university's reputation, eagerly opined on Hinrich's supposed history of mental instability. "We know that he has had what I would call emotional difficulties in the past," he said. "There is certainly no evidence at this point which points to any other kind of motivation other than his personal problems."
Law enforcement officials offered a similarly watered down version of events. The FBI's Oklahoma bureau chief, Salvador Hernandez, U.S. Attorney John Richter and OU Police Chief Elizabeth Woolen, in a joint statement, said, "At this point, we have no information that suggests that there is any additional threat posed by others related to this incident." Not once was the word "terrorism" used by any official involved in the case.
The mainstream media wasn't exactly forthcoming either. Those seeking information immediately following the bombing were hard pressed to find it as there appeared to be a virtual media blackout. None of the cable news networks, including Fox News, referred to the incident and the major wire services, newspapers and websites skipped it entirely. Once again it was left up to bloggers like Mark Tapscott, Michelle Malkin, Wizbang, Gateway Pundit, The Jawa Report and Zombie (photojournalist for Little Green Footballs), as well as the "Freepers" of FreeRepublic.com, to pull together first hand accounts and links to the miniscule amount of news coverage available at the time.
Not only was the story essentially buried when it first broke, but the major media outlets have still not seen fit to address it. But thanks to the investigative efforts of Oklahoma photojournalist Lan Lamphere (whose blog features a firsthand account and video), World Net Daily and the Northeast Intelligence Network (cited above), the evidence points to the likelihood that the incident was indeed a botched terrorist attack.
The first clue was that authorities might have had knowledge beforehand there was a threat to the stadium. Witnesses reported heavy security at the entrance and the office of OU President David Boren put out a press release stating that, "Prior to the game, the entire stadium was swept by the expert bomb teams with the help of dogs." Since this occurred before the game even started, authorities likely received either a bomb threat or intelligence pointing to one. According to the Northeast Intelligence Network, initial information "suggested that that the so-called 'suicide-bomber' was attempting to attach bombs to the buses parked in the area when one of the bombs detonated prematurely." Witnesses also described seeing a second device being detonated by robot.
That someone would choose to blow himself up as a means of purely committing suicide also seemed suspicious. In fact, far from simply committing suicide, it appears Hinrichs planned to take quite a few innocent civilians with him. Whether or not the targets were bus passengers or the crowds leaving the stadium, the explosives later found at the scene were intended to inflict massive carnage. The Northeast Intelligence Network reports that "the bomb was detonated prematurely when the suspect was either arming a bomb vest or backpack, which contained TATP, a homemade explosive. TATP (triacetone triperoxide) is a very potent but relatively easily manufactured explosive compound that was used in the July London bombings." TATP was also used by attempted "shoe bomber" Richard Reid to try and blow up an American Airlines flight in 2001.
The possible connection to Islamic terrorism doesn't end there. Law enforcement sources indicate that Hinrich had a roommate of Pakistani descent who may also have been an OU student. Hinrich's apartment in the Park View Apartments complex on campus was very close to the Islamic Society of Norman, OK and witnesses now report seeing him visit the center on more than one occasion. According to Oklahoma City's KWTV-News 9, Zacharias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker on 9/11, used to attend the same mosque.
Authorities later searched Hinrich's apartment where they found what's being described as a "huge cache" of TATP explosives, bomb-making manuals, and a "significant amount" of Jihad literature both in his home and on his computer. Even more damning, KWTV-News 9 reports that Hinrichs tried to buy large quantities of ammonium nitrate (used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing) from a Norman feed store four days before the bombing.
One doesn't have to be an intelligence expert to conclude that Hinrichs could have been a convert to Islam who became involved in terrorist activities. Like fellow converts Richard Reid (the shoe bomber), John Walker Lindh (who joined the Taliban in Afghanistan), Kevin James, Levar Haney Washington and Gregory Vernon Patterson (all charged this year in a Los Angeles terrorist plot), his Western lineage would have come in handy for avoiding official scrutiny.
But if Hinrichs was a convert, members of the Triangle Fraternity (consisting of engineers, architects and scientists) to which he belonged were not aware of it. In a message of condolence on the fraternity's website, members claim to be "as stunned as anyone else on campus." Hinrich did not live in the fraternity house and considering his profile as a quiet type who mostly kept to himself (much like other Western youths turned terrorists), their lack of awareness is unsurprising. Further adding to the impression that Hinrichs was a convert, a Colorado Springs Gazette photo posted at the Northeast Intelligence Network website shows him with a beard too similar to those worn by newly observant Muslim men to be a mere coincidence.
Assuming this incident did involve terrorism, it certainly wasn't a first for Oklahoma. As detailed by the Northeast Intelligence Network, the state has a long history of such activity. As recently as August 2005 another UO student, Charles Alfred Dreyling Jr., was arrested at the Will Rogers World Airport after security personnel found what was essentially a pipe bomb in his carry on bag. Dreyling pleaded guilty last month to a misdemeanor charge in federal court in Oklahoma City.
The Airman Flight School of Norman appears to have been a popular destination for several of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers, as well as Zacharias Moussaoui. Indeed, Moussaoui conducted much of his business in Norman, including opening a bank account into which he deposited $32,000 in cash. The improbable interaction between Moussaoui and Nicholas Berg, the American man who was beheaded by terrorists in Iraq last year, also occurred in Oklahoma. Both men were on the same bus traveling to the University of Oklahoma, when Berg allegedly allowed Moussaoui to use his laptop and gave him his computer password to do so. Yet another 9/11 hijacker purchased his ticket from a computer terminal at Oklahoma University and depending on what version of the story one subscribes to, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City may have involved Islamic terrorism as well.
When all of the evidence is brought to light, authorities may just uncover a terrorist plot that, had it succeeded, could have killed thousands. The fact that law enforcement and the media are downplaying that reality points to a disturbing trend. Both seem to have a habit of dismissing terrorist angles from the get-go and then minimizing them when they arise.
When it comes to the Hinrichs bombing, it doesn't take a tinfoil hat to wonder whether there's a cover-up in progress and why. It may simply be that investigators don't want to jeopardize the case by giving away too much information or maybe they don't want to alarm the public needlessly. But doesn't an attempted terrorist attack that could have killed countless civilians warrant some concern? We have a color coded alert system that's been activated any number of times for reasons mostly unknown to the public. Yet whenever a suspicious incident occurs in this country the first thing the media and law enforcement do is try to keep it quiet.
Perhaps both sides are pandering to political-correctness and if so, it's got to stop. The American people deserve to know what they're up against and not doing so will only result in further bloodshed. Becoming complacent is what led to the attacks of 9/11. Can we really afford to go down that road again? The fact is, the country is not at war just with terrorism, but with Islamic terrorism. This may make some American Muslims uncomfortable, but we cannot deny reality simply to assuage their delicacies.
In closing, it may be instructive to listen to the warnings of a law enforcement official quoted by the Northeast Intelligence Network:
"At the end of the day, enough evidence will be collected to prove that this was a terrorist bombing that went wrong and Islamic men with terrorist beliefs were also involved. Whether that fact will ever come out, like ten years ago, [Murrah building blast on 19 April 1995 that killed 171 souls] remains to be seen. If you could have seen the people walking out of the stadium [Saturday night], you would have thought nothing happened at all. No one seems to believe that it will ever happen again, ever happen to them. It almost did. I feel like everyone is living in a fantasyland."
The question is, if a terrorist attack in America's heartland doesn't jolt the country out of this fantasyland, what will?
The only Bowser I know is the one in Mario's video games (my son is a Mario fan). Are you asking if Allah looks like Bowser? I don't know, I've never seen Allah and never will!
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