Posted on 01/11/2006 7:27:58 PM PST by concretebob
The more some Freepers try to deflect it is just conspiracy theories the more convinced I am it was outright international terrorism with some domestic stooges used for patsies to take the fall.
I think you are correct -- McVeigh was never going to talk. At the Nichols trial here in OK when the questioning started getting interesting, Nicholas did a plea bargain and I always have thought it was to protect his family.
Never thought either one of them would talk and they are the only ones who knew what was going on IMHO of the people they tracked down.
Here's a little more on the person(s) mentioned ...
[Mitchell Gray's long article about the OKC, Norman connections:]
http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest79.htm
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[Interesting date for this workshop he attended]
ACTT Workshop - Project Pegasus
September 9-11, 2003
Dallas, Texas
Appendix A - Workshop Attendees
Name: Mufid Abdulqader
Title: Senior Project Manager
Company: Public Works & Transportation
Office: City of Dallas
Mailing Address: 320 E. Jefferson Blvd.
City: Dallas
State: Texas
Zip Code: 75203
Phone: Fax: e-mail: [I deleted]
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[Abdul-qadr was first indicted in July 2004--here's one blog mention about his high position with the City of Dallas--elsewhere, I found where he was the contact person for many large engineering project bids. Ellipses (...) indicate my snips. More at links.]
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/227/#ma
(Dec. 1, 2004)
"The City of Dallas employed one Mufid Abdulqader, the half-brother of notorious Hamas leader Khalid Mishaal, as an engineer. It turns out that Abdulqader had some interesting extra-curricular activities.
Todd Bensman and Robert Riggs of CBS-11 News in Dallas report, in a wondrous tone, that "this professionally accomplished, highly affable public servant by day, was on weekends singing the praises of the terrorist organization Hamas, encouraging martyrs to kill Jews and glorifying violent Jihad."
CBS then quotes from a federal indictment how this "top fundraiser" for Hamas "performed skits and songs which advocated the destruction of the State of Israel and glorified the killing of Jewish people." ...
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"CBS also reveals that Mufid and his Al Sakrah troupe raised funds for Hamas since at least 1990, in Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Chicago, New Jersey and elsewhere. Some of the conferences were videotaped by their sponsors, such as the Islamic Association for Palestine and the Muslim American Youth Association. The videotapes appear to have been repackaged, edited and sold or distributed as propaganda." ...
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"The Dallas city government fired him in August, upon his indictment for helping the Holy Land Foundation funnel money to Hamas. The indictment accuses Abdulqader and six co-conspirators of raising over $12 million for HLF in 2000 alone.
Unembarrassed by all this, Abdulqader is trying to get reinstated to city engineer position, appealing his termination on the grounds that the criminal indictment was improperly cited." ...
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/080504dnnatholyland.5813b.html
Dallas News - August 6, 2004
Holy Land charity suspects released from jail
"DALLAS – Three men indicted last month on charges of using a Muslim charity to finance terrorists were released from jail Friday while they await an October trial.
A federal magistrate ordered the release of the men, including the president and chairman of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, which prosecutors say was a financial supporter of the militant group Hamas.
A prosecutor did not oppose their release during a brief hearing. Two other defendants were arrested in California and New Jersey and are expected to be returned to Texas, and another two are fugitives outside the United States.
In a clear sign of the government's effort to win the case, Attorney General John Ashcroft personally announced the indictments July 27 on charges including conspiracy, aiding a designated terrorist group and money laundering.
Holy Land president Shukri Abu Baker, chairman Ghassan Elashi and a top fund-raiser, Mufid Abdulqader, were released." ...
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[Here's a more recent scary item I found:]
Minutes
Texas Board of Professional Engineers
Regular Quarterly Board Meeting
August 11, 2005
9. Licensing Committee Report. Dr. Haden reported that the committee heard seven personal interviews.
Dr. Haden reported that Mufid Abdulqader let his PE license lapse for approximately three years and continued to sign and seal documents. He said that the committee was also concerned with Mr. Abdulqader’s arrest and federal indictment for allegedly being involved with funding of the known terrorist group HAMAS. He said after the committee considered all the information provided, IT WAS MOVED AND SECONDED (Haden/Sweazy) to issue a license to Mufid Abdulqader, with the understanding that, if found guilty on the federal charges and imprisoned that his license would be automatically revoked. The vote was taken and the MOTION PASSED.
Looks like he also applied in January a year ago back in Oklahoma:
OKLAHOMA STATE BOARD OF LICENSURE FOR
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND LAND SURVEYORS
201 N. E. 27 St., Oklahoma City, OK 73105
Friday, January 14, 2005, 8:00 a.m.
AGENDA
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Request by attorney for Mufid A. Abdulqader to re-consider his PE re-licensure application.
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[However, I can't find his name in the current licensee list:]
http://www.ok.gov/pels/search.php
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And here is the latest indictment, from just 6 weeks ago (opens in an Adobe pdf):
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn/PressRel05/HLFSupers.Indictment.pdf
Basically, Mufid Abdul-qadr, the former business partner and co-defendant of Mohamed Elyazgi in Oklahoma City in 1995, is the half-brother of a HAMAS official and has been a long-time fund-raiser for the terrorist organization.
The indictment seeks to have $12.5 million returned that had been given to "charitable" organizations deemed by the USDOJ to be terrorist-related, over a period of time between January, 1995, and December, 2001.
Point being that covers the time period when Elyazgi and Abdul-qadr were running the restaurant together in OKC and also heading the mosque on St. Clair Ave. in OKC.
Elyazgi lives in Norman, and has since 1985. He has at least two children who are students at OU, out of his six offspring. He acted as spokesman for the Norman mosque when denying any knowledge of Hinrichs; his daughter is an officer of the Muslim Students Assn at OU; and he was an incorporator of the Islamic school, Annur Academy, in Norman, and is named on several of the mosque-related properties in Norman and OKC, or *was* before they were taken over by the National Islamic Trust.
(Rte66 Note: A family by the same rare surname was living in Tulsa in Apr 1986 and was interviewed by The Daily Oklahoman because their family in Libya had lost 5 family members to bombs from US planes which were aimed at Libyan targets. Their house which was struck stood next door to the French Embassy in Tripoli. From my research, I believe, but won't confirm, that the family in the article, Mohieddin and Farida Elyazgi, now 67-68, are the parents of Mohamed, 45, which would make the relatives who were killed his grandparents, aunts and uncles.)
That's good research. Do you want to be on the OKC/911 Connection ping list? It's pretty rare when something comes up, but the threads are always interesting.
Yes, please put me on that list. Thank you!
Have you ever seen a picture of the Dirty-Bomber Padilla and a sketch of the person supposedly with McVeigh?
Uncanny.
Could someone put that together and post it?
Thank You.
BTW it's not paranoia, it's reality.
Way TOO many unanswered questions that just got swept under the rug.
ROFLMOA!
Amazing how some of them just provide that "smell" even over the internet.
And yes I can wait till your Handlers give you the answers to the questions I asked.
Most likely I've heard them already and they are BS.
Why did the batf and fbi get ADVANCED warning that morning to NOT come to the office?
No idea...Are you seriously saying that all those people (FBI and BATF) got that message and didn't give a crap about the other people including the children in that building and just were like, whew, I'm glad my govenrment cares enough about me to warn me about a terrorist plot...screw the rest of those people tht will go to work there this morning they deserve to die in this terrorist attack that we know about and are covering up on purpose...come on dude...that's just dumb.
Why did the buildings across the street not get wiped out and the camera footage from one of those buildings was used as evidence?
Ever heard of a designed blast?
Why was the hole in the street below the truck minimal compared to the damadged front of the fed building?
see above
Why did the SAR get stopped to "remove unexploded devices" from the remains of the fed building? (Conveniently by the baft boys so nobody else could see what it was and what ever happened to those devices?)
Who knows...i'm sure its part of the massive coverup that was so easily pulled off...
Do you REALLY believe that the damage to the fed building was caused ONLY by the truck bomb?
With the amount of explosive chemicals in that truck, yes.
If so then why was the rest of the same radius area not completely devastated by the same truck bomb?
see designed blast...it is possible to ensure a bomb explodes in a certain direction to attain maximum destruction to the intended target, how it works I don't fully grasp, but then again, I don't have a guff with the governement nor do i associate with known or unknown terrorists....
Drill away at me, but you raise some qeustions that in no way change my viewpoint...there very well could have been a middle east connection and it makes sense that those two arse clowns could have been in contact with terrorists, that i see as reasonable, but they did this...the paper trail was so plain to see...
Why do you thinkn the government would want to cover up any terroist involvement?
lol...very well, I probably am a rookie in terms of diving up to my toes into a wild goose chase theory that the government knew it was going to happen and then covered it up for no apparent reason...I was in London the day this happened and my first reaction was Arabs did this...then i saw the evidence trail and discovered my initial reaction wasn't the whole story...
Anyway, until you prove your theory i'm not buying...I saw sufficient evidence over the past 10 years to be content that the two people convicted did the crime...did they have help? Maybe, even probably...but there was no government cover up that the FBI/BATF and others pulled off...that is just so impossible...the sheer number of people who had to cover it up makes that so...
That argument sounds like the third gunmen theory in JFK's assassination...do you believe that as well?
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