Posted on 03/01/2006 3:35:38 PM PST by Shermy
More than just the FBI. Also Boren and OU folks who saw a lot at risk if people started to think the place was a terrorist target.
Nothing in the article about his Pakistani room mate in that apartment full of explosives. What about his location to the nearby mosque???
I heard that was coming out! Guess the rest of the crap that was out there about his being a 'lone suicide bomber' that we made fun of was not the truth. Surprise, surprise!
Always thought if it was an accident that he blew himself up in the wrong place. Of course, they will never convince me that someone didn't help blow it up because he failed his mission.
Guess that suicide note they didn't find for a few weeks on his computer they didn't touch (sarcasm) was not legit either.
Would sure hate to be as gullible as they thought we were. Not changing my opinion that his intent was to harm the people at the football game and not changing my belief that he was not acting "alone!"
"People who were there saw him trying to get in, and being refused. No, he did not have a ticket."
Thanks. This info makes it more likely he planned to murder others, rather than some spectacular public suicide.
"Would sure hate to be as gullible as they thought we were. Not changing my opinion that his intent was to harm the people at the football game and not changing my belief that he was not acting "alone!"
It's impossible for his roommate to have been unaware; this means involvement or at least tacit approval. There is a whole string of statements intended to create plausible deniability that will now be fairly easy to discredit. It should be good therapy for all of us who spent so much time on those early threads, and especially you, PhiKapMom, since you were there when the bomb(s) went off, and even did a little recon yourself. Whatever happened to Hinrich's old Lincoln Town Car that was left sitting in the dorm parking lot for weeks on end?
Lots of good thread via the "HINRICHS" keyword:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1498353/posts
Student recounts talk with worker (Norman Terrorist bombing; MUST READ)
So if you strap 2 to 3 pounds of explosive to yourself and go to a public area you are only trying to kill yourself. As some people would say this explanation doesn't pass the smell test!
I thought this kind of stuff was only possible in the cartoons.
Apparently this is a common state of affairs after a suicide bombing. For instance that is how the July 7th bus bomber in London was identified.
Yes, but did he have multiple sets of underwear on? Not a joke really -- ask the Israelis.
Details of Hinrichs case revealedNorman police officer said he thought Hinrichs’ explosion was meant for different time, placeby Grant Slater February 28, 2006 A presentation by Norman law enforcement officials Tuesday revealed grim and candid details about the investigation into the death of Joel Henry Hinrichs III on Oct. 1, 2005. Norman Police Sgt. George Mauldin said he felt Hinrichs had intended his explosives for another time and place and also that police initially suspected Hinrichs might be linked to Islamic fundamentalist groups working in America. The suspicions of an Islamic connection were shown to be false, Mauldin said. Hinrichs was killed in a blast by an explosive device of his own design and preparation, Mauldin said. The blast occurred 173 yards from 84,000 fans watching the second quarter of the OU-Kansas State football game in Oklahoma Memorial Stadium. Mauldin presented the report to Norman's mayor and city council, regarding the effectiveness and manner of law enforcement's response to the explosion. The presentation included video and photos from the scene of the explosion, as well as photos from Hinrichs' apartment. Mauldin said a similar presentation was scheduled to be delivered at FBI headquarters in Quantico, Va. Previous reports from the FBI had stated that law enforcement officials might never know if Hinrichs tried to enter the stadium or purchase a ticket for the game, even though surveillance tape was taken from the stadium.
“My view is that [the explosion] was an accident,” Mauldin said. “He accidentally set it off.” Mauldin said he was 102 yards away from the explosion when it occurred and police had set up a secure perimeter within five minutes of the explosion. He also received a call from the FBI within five minutes. Video footage from a police robot showed an officer in a protective suit investigating the area. Hinrichs' backpack, which was resting on his lap before the explosion, contained two to three pounds of triacetone triperoxide (TATP). This chemical is currently “the explosive of choice in places like Israel and Palestine" and is the most unstable explosive currently known, Mauldin said. The bomb contained no shrapnel or fragmentation, which would have greatly increased the amount of damage, Mauldin said. “The body took most of the blast," Mauldin said. The bench remained mostly intact after the blast, with damage in only two or three places. Mauldin said Hinrichs' family requested the bench, but could not offer a reason of why they would want to keep it. In the video, the investigating officer examined what police originally thought was a second backpack. The officer used an X-ray machine to look inside what turned out to be fragments of the original pack, where they found wires, a battery and pieces of a computer circuit board, Mauldin said. That pack was detonated by police while the game was still in progress in an effort to neutralize any remaining explosives. Mauldin said he spoke with OU President David L. Boren on the phone before the second explosion and Boren expressed concern that everything should be handled before the game ended to avoid another explosion after the game. Mauldin said police monitored the area for radiation, fearing the explosive might have been a dirty bomb. The presentation included a photograph of Hinrichs' driver license, which shows him with a long beard. Mauldin said he thought of members of the American Taliban when he saw the driver license photograph. “They all thought the same thing I thought,” Mauldin said. “This looks like an Islamic terrorist.” But while Mauldin and others did have initial reactions, he said many media misrepresented the facts in the aftermath of the explosion, speculating about whether Hinrichs attempted to enter the stadium and whether he was connected to Muslim organizations in Norman. Inside Hinrichs' apartment, police encountered a strong odor of peroxide and “quite a lot of TATP." They also found the ingredients to make the explosive, including acetone, Liquid Fire (which contains sulfuric acid) and Softswim, a pool product that contains hydrogen peroxide, Mauldin said. Hinrichs mixed the explosives in his apartment and kept them in various locations, Mauldin said. Police found a pill bottle containing TATP with an inch-long fuse stuck in the top. The bottle was behind Hinrichs' computer and contained enough TATP to completely destroy the computer and make a hole in the wall behind it, Mauldin said. TATP degrades rapidly and the longer it sits, the greater the danger that the substance will explode spontaneously, Mauldin said. Hinrichs kept notes in ruled notebooks on how well his explosives performed with and without shrapnel in experiments at Red Rock Canyon near Hinton, Mauldin said. Police also found live and blank belts of military rifle rounds in Hinrichs' apartment, Mauldin said. Hinrichs left a note on his computer screen before the explosion. The note was written in the middle of a text file with other notes about bombs. “F--- all this. None of you are worth living with. You can all kiss my a--,” the note stated. |
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Actually, I think Sgt. Mauldin is more forthcoming than might first appear. When asked if the perp meant to attack the stadium, he says he doesn't think the perp meant to blow himself up on the bench. And he says that it was an accident, much like what are commonly called "work accidents" among Palestinian bomb makers. And he says that he thinks the perp got too cocky and fiddled with his bomb once too often.
He makes it pretty clear that it was not just an ordinary suicide, although that is the official story.
I suppose it's SOP, but it strikes me as stupid that they blew up the timer and wiring after the bomb had already gone off. Surely it was safe enough to remove and examine it closely, without having to blow up this important evidence yet again.
I'd say that the FBI and other authorities told this guy to keep this under his hat, but he didn't want to lie under oath. FBI agents don't seem to have any problem with doing that.
The explosion wasn't an accident, and was meant for the stadium crowd. His Muzzy pals decided that Joel was a liability since he didn't make it into the stadium with the "package". Can anyone say REMOTE DETONATOR?
no, an accident is something that is not meant to happen, period. this was meant to happen. the accident was that he was supposed to blow himslef to allah and take infidels with him INSIDE the stadium.
I still have a lot of questions about this. I doubt we'll ever know the whole story.
I haven't been by that area of campus in a long time -- have no idea when they moved the car. I know it was there for sometime after the incident.
Not only will we never know the whole story, we'll never even know the part of the story that the feds have. Of course, if we know, the bad guys know, and that's not a good thing.
I would take that theory to the bank -- he became a liability and they blew him up exactly what we have been saying for months.
I am surprised they were this forthcoming.
Got that right! Last time I was near the mosque I couldn't locate the camera on the pole that the mosque had put up. Would be willing to be there are cameras located watching them though.
One thing I have noticed is a lack of Pakistani and other Middle Eastern types around Norman after Christmas break. They used to hang out at some places I would go by and now I don't see them.
This is the story that won't go away -- at least they finally admitted that he didn't go to that bench to blow himself up and not harm anyone.
I cannot believe the spin I have heard and read on this. They would have been better to have no comment and let people speculate rather then comment and look like fools.
BTW, heard that Hobson is going to announce for Congress. If the dumb sheriff would have done his job, Cal Hobson would have had a group of DUI's instead of being taken home because he was a State Senator.
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