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Gay Marriage: Even Liberals Know It's Bad
Town Hall ^ | May 26, 2008 | Frank Turek

Posted on 05/27/2008 1:50:46 PM PDT by dvan

Why not legalize same-sex marriage? Who could it possibly hurt? Children and the rest of society. That’s the conclusion of David Blankenhorn, who is anything but an anti-gay “bigot.” He is a life-long, pro-gay, liberal democrat who disagrees with the Bible’s prohibitions against homosexual behavior. Despite this, Blankenhorn makes a powerful case against Same-Sex marriage in his book, The Future of Marriage.

He writes, “Across history and cultures . . . marriage’s single most fundamental idea is that every child needs a mother and a father. Changing marriage to accommodate same-sex couples would nullify this principle in culture and in law.”

How so?

The law is a great teacher, and same sex marriage will teach future generations that marriage is not about children but about coupling. When marriage becomes nothing more than coupling, fewer people will get married to have children.

So what?

People will still have children, of course, but many more of them out-of wedlock. That’s a disaster for everyone. Children will be hurt because illegitimate parents (there are no illegitimate children) often never form a family, and those that “shack up” break up at a rate two to three times that of married parents. Society will be hurt because illegitimacy starts a chain of negative effects that fall like dominoes—illegitimacy leads to poverty, crime, and higher welfare costs which lead to bigger government, higher taxes, and a slower economy.

Are these just the hysterical cries of an alarmist? No. We can see the connection between same-sex marriage and illegitimacy in Scandinavian countries. Norway, for example, has had de-facto same-sex marriage since the early nineties. In Nordland, the most liberal county of Norway, where they fly “gay” rainbow flags over their churches, out-of-wedlock births have soared—more than 80 percent of women giving birth for the first time, and nearly 70 percent of all children, are born out of wedlock! Across all of Norway, illegitimacy rose from 39 percent to 50 percent in the first decade of same-sex marriage.

Anthropologist Stanley Kurtz writes, “When we look at Nordland and Nord-Troendelag — the Vermont and Massachusetts of Norway — we are peering as far as we can into the future of marriage in a world where gay marriage is almost totally accepted. What we see is a place where marriage itself has almost totally disappeared.” He asserts that “Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable.”

But it’s not just Norway. Blankenhorn reports this same trend in other countries. International surveys show that same-sex marriage and the erosion of traditional marriage tend to go together. Traditional marriage is weakest and illegitimacy strongest wherever same-sex marriage is legal.

You might say, “Correlation doesn’t always indicate causation!” Yes, but often it does. Is there any doubt that liberalizing marriage laws impacts society for the worse? You need look no further than the last 40 years of no-fault divorce laws in the United States (family disintegration destroys lives and now costs tax payers $112 billion per year!).

No-fault divorce laws began in one state, California, and then spread to rest of the country. Those liberalized divorce laws helped change our attitudes and behaviors about the permanence of marriage. There’s no question that liberalized marriage laws will help change our attitudes and behaviors about the purpose of marriage. The law is a great teacher, and if same-sex marriage advocates have their way, children will be expelled from the lesson on marriage.

This leads Blankenhorn to assert, “One can believe in same-sex marriage. One can believe that every child deserves a mother and a father. One cannot believe both.”

Blankenhorn is amazed how indifferent homosexual activists are about the negative effects of same-sex marriage on children. Many of them, he documents, say that marriage isn’t about children.

Well, if marriage isn’t about children, what institution is about children? And if we’re going to redefine marriage into mere coupling, then why should the state endorse same-sex marriage at all?

Contrary to what homosexual activists assume, the state doesn’t endorse marriage because people have feelings for one another. The state endorses marriage primarily because of what marriage does for children and in turn society. Society gets no benefit by redefining marriage to include homosexual relationships, only harm as the connection to illegitimacy shows. But the very future of children and a civilized society depends on stable marriages between men and women. That’s why, regardless of what you think about homosexuality, the two types of relationships should never be legally equated.

That conclusion has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with what’s best for children and society. Just ask pro-gay, liberal democrat David Blankenhorn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: gays; marriage; rights
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
1 posted on 05/27/2008 1:50:51 PM PDT by dvan
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To: dvan

Blind? Maybe.

Selfish? Most likely.

Evil? Some are - those would be the ones that know what this will do to society and promote it because of that very fact.


2 posted on 05/27/2008 1:54:50 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: dvan
Same sex marriage would be a vast, untested experiment inflicted upon society and its principal victims will be the children. So much for the liberals putting them first. Instead, they put adult sexual desires first. That's really looking out for future generations!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 05/27/2008 1:55:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dvan
(there are no illegitimate children)

What's a bastard?

4 posted on 05/27/2008 1:57:51 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: DungeonMaster

A stupid word pinned on a child innocent of his parents’ bad choices.


5 posted on 05/27/2008 2:10:15 PM PDT by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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To: dvan

From the article: “The state endorses marriage primarily because of what marriage does for children and in turn society.”

Before we tear down fences, we need to remember why they were put up in the first place.


6 posted on 05/27/2008 2:16:55 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: dvan

Awesome... bookmarked


7 posted on 05/27/2008 2:18:10 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I don't need Mr. Keyes lecturing me on Christianity. That's why I have a pastor." — Barack Obama)
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To: workerbee

It tells you only what the child may or may not inherit; nothing about the child himself. Ever hear of Leonardo da Vinci?


8 posted on 05/27/2008 2:21:39 PM PDT by thulldud (Congress does not want answers. They want scapegoats. (andy58-in-nh))
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To: dvan
Last I checked, you don't need to be married to have children. And most gays, when they marry, won't have children. So I don't follow the writer's argument. But I think the solution is "civil unions" for gay people (no automatic right to adopt children)—there might be a societal benefit to encouraging gays to be in committed, caring relationships (it might reduce the spread of HIV/AIDS, although it is true that many gays have "open" relationships).
9 posted on 05/27/2008 2:26:41 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: dvan
I find that the reasons gay marriage advocates give seem a bit contrived. The "benefits" they claim to want could just as well be fought for outside of marriage, without mangling its legal definition. Citizenship, hospital visitation rights, whatever. It's more likely they want the legal power and recognition of a government-endorsed institution to further push their agenda. Legal power to sue schools and churches for discrimination, for instance. Any sane society doesn't want "alternative" behavior endorsed and encouraged by the government, if they want to stay a sane one, anyway.
10 posted on 05/27/2008 2:33:10 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: DungeonMaster
A file. lol
11 posted on 05/27/2008 2:44:52 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: workerbee; dvan; DungeonMaster
(there are no illegitimate children)
What's a bastard?
A stupid word pinned on a child innocent of his parents’ bad choices.
It is true that "If you give a dog a bad name, you might as well hang him." But it is also true that boys raised without adult male role models tend to earn an unfavorable label. Which is in essence what the whole point of this thread discusses - the deleterious effects on society of the failure of nubile women in that society to marry before procreating.

You are supporting an effort to restrict thought by pruning our vocabulary.


12 posted on 05/27/2008 3:09:28 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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What's a bastard?

A stupid word pinned on a child innocent of his parents’ bad choices.

bastard

1223, "illegitimate child," from O.Fr., "child of a nobleman by a woman other than his wife," probably from fils de bast "packsaddle son," meaning a child conceived on an improvised bed (saddles often doubled as beds while traveling), with pejorative ending -art. Alternate possibly is that the word is from P.Gmc. *banstiz "barn," equally suggestive of low origin. Not always regarded as a stigma; the Conqueror is referred to in state documents as "William the Bastard." Figurative sense is from 1552; use as a vulgar term of abuse for a man is attested from 1830. Bastardize "debase" is from 1587.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bastard

As you can see, the term, bastard similar to the term, illegitimate, was intended to be descriptive of a child’s legal position in terms of estate or chattels inheritance. However, your comments indicate that your regard the term as unfairly insulting.

The fact that you are not alone in your opinion of the word as insulting is indicative of the judgment of the parental moral lapse that resulted in the referenced child’s birth. Such a judgment is also indicative of the value associated with marriage. After all, it would not be insulting to be referred to as a bastard unless the value of marriage had not been debased by violation of its strictures.

The question them becomes does allowing s0-called “gar marriage” debase the institution? The answer should be obvious: “gay marriage’” is a gross violation of the institution’s most basic principle.
13 posted on 05/27/2008 3:54:00 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; workerbee; dvan
It is true that "If you give a dog a bad name, you might as well hang him." But it is also true that boys raised without adult male role models tend to earn an unfavorable label. Which is in essence what the whole point of this thread discusses - the deleterious effects on society of the failure of nubile women in that society to marry before procreating.

You are supporting an effort to restrict thought by pruning our vocabulary.

Thanks for the post. I happen to live in a neighborhood full of bastards. They are the destruction of the whole value of the neighborhood. I can't even let my kids play in the playground across the street without worrying about the abusive treatment they will get from said neighbor kids. But lets not ever dare point out the problem because that would not be PC.

Speaking of PC. BHO has the ability to turn any word he wants into a non-pc word, the most recent being the word "Assassinate".

14 posted on 05/28/2008 5:34:30 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: Lucky Dog; conservatism_IS_compassion; workerbee; dvan; DungeonMaster; newgeezer
What an excellent post. The intent of my question was certainly not lost on you. In fact you expressed my feelings much better than I could have. I remember in the bible how offended Israel's heads were when Jesus said God was not their father. In the KJV it was translated "We are not bastards!". You can just hear the offense.

Being born out of wedlock is one kind of bastard, I suspect that if your parents get married a little late no one would ever think of you as a bastard or illegitimate. But imagine the stigma of having 2 sodomites as "parents"!!!??? Just sickening. That child is doomed in many ways.

As an aside, what in the world were the Bush women doing on the Ellen show yesterday? To appear on her show legitimizes her show and her perversion and further sinks the Republican party.

15 posted on 05/28/2008 5:40:34 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: MrB
Evil? Some are - those would be the ones that know what this will do to society and promote it because of that very fact.

Unfortunately, you are right. Some people will do anything if it increases their chances of having sex, no matter how small the chance. Slick Willie comes to mind...

16 posted on 05/28/2008 9:52:21 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!!!)
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To: DungeonMaster
As an aside, what in the world were the Bush women doing on the Ellen show yesterday?

Well I think it was Jenna, that recently said she was considering voting for BHO.

17 posted on 05/28/2008 11:20:19 AM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. The only question is whether by conquest or consent.)
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