Posted on 08/22/2023 6:07:43 AM PDT by NetAddicted
Tucker Carlson began his latest episode on X telling viewers why “pretty much everything” the mainstream media has been saying about the war in Ukraine “is a lie.” This
In a brief monologue prior to the interview with Colonel Douglas Macgregor, Carlson explains further and claims it's "likely" that U.S. troops will fight the Russian army.
'The Russian army is incompetent,' they claim. 'Ukraine is a democracy.' 'Vladimir Putin is Hitler, and he's trying to take over the world.' Thankfully, the Ukrainians are winning. None of that is true.
Every claim is false. The last one, especially. The Ukrainian Army is not winning. In fact, it's losing badly. Ukraine is being destroyed. Its population is being slaughtered in lopsided battles with a technologically superior enemy or scattered by the millions to the rest of the globe as refugees. Ukraine is running out of soldiers.
As that happens, the question will inevitably arise who's going to replace them? If the Ukrainians can't beat Putin, who will? The answer, of course, will be us. American troops will fight the Russian army in Eastern Europe. That's most likely. And the assumption is we'll win. But will we win?
Probably not, says former Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor, a decorated combat veteran who advised the Secretary of Defense in the last administration. The US, says Macgregor, is on the brink of a catastrophic war that could very easily destroy us. Few Americans seem to understand that, but they should. Douglas Macgregor is now the CEO of Our Country, Our Choice, and we sat down with him recently.
This conversation is worth hearing.
(Transcript via Vigilant News)
Ep. 18 Into the abyss: Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now. pic.twitter.com/a3bGLvJC4s
— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 21, 2023 X account The Vigilant Fox has highlighted some noteworthy clips from the interview:
400,000 Dead Soldiers: Former Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor Describes the Dire State of the Ukraine War
• An estimated 400,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed in battle — an increase from the previous estimate of 300,000-350,000.
• Recent counteroffensive resulted in the… pic.twitter.com/w6B0Zc4cl6
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) August 21, 2023 Douglas Macgregor Accuses the U.S. Government of Meddling With Zelensky's Peace Plans With Russia
"He [Zelensky] was picked and then blessed by Victoria Nuland and the State Department as their man. Now, when he originally ran for office, he ran on a peace platform. And he was… pic.twitter.com/CgnBgEPryg
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) August 22, 2023 Douglas Macgregor Tells @TuckerCarlson "Ukraine Is Probably One of the Most Corrupt Places in the World"
"A friend of mine who had spent time in the old Soviet Union and also lived in Mexico. Came back from a visit to Mexico, and he said, 'It's hard to believe this, but Ukraine… pic.twitter.com/SFBGjr70C6
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) August 22, 2023 Colonel MacGregor’s final words with Tucker were very interesting 👀
“We’re going to have to be pushed over the cliff into the abyss, and I think that’s where we’re headed.”
MacGregor feels that the People cannot be told, they must be shown in order to change. Very intriguing. pic.twitter.com/uWH2sJUhEc
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) August 22, 2023
Oy vey. My text copy didn’t copy Tucker’s brief monologue prior to interview with Col MacGregor.
What do we know about MacGregor other than he worked for metrosexual General Wesley Clark? I’m getting sick of all these people. Too many microphones. This is what fills the vacuum. Why not Scott Ritter? He has experience. Buyer beware of Vivek.
And people actually believe that Biden is going to win re-election with the trail of horror he is leaving - not a chance.
The war in Ukraine is 100% joe the tyrant Biden’s. He gets even richer and it hides his and Fauci’s crimes.
I believe that if Biden sends Americans to fight in Ukraine that we'd defeat the Russians there. The trouble is, this would piss off Putin to no end and he'd launch nukes against us, initially probably battlefield nukes but then later strategic nukes and some would get through. I don't want to chance that I'm right.
I appreciate your warning about Vivek, but what does he have to do with this article? It seems Vivek has slammed the door shut on his campaign and is locking the extra deadbolts with every new utterance.
“I believe that if Biden sends Americans to fight in Ukraine that we’d defeat the Russians there.”
I believe that if Biden even attempts to send US soldiers to die in that war there will be more trouble at home than they expect.
It would help to understand your stance, by adding a very few details, please.
"Sends" how many Americans? That makes a difference. Iraq's invasion used about 160,000 US troops along with other nations' troops. Currently, there seems to be about 35,000 active duty military in all of Europe.
So how many do you think to march into Ukraine and engage in a land war with Russia?
How many American casualties is Ukraine worth?
It would be rational for Ukraine to sue for peace since their army has been chewed to shreds and there is little concrete basis to hope for improvement. America and others are constantly dangling irrational hope in terms of weapons and money. It’s too little. It’s just enough to keep Ukraine on the battle field to be decimated. In all seriousness, there’s nothing that we can give Ukraine that will make Ukraine into a modern, cohesive, coordinated, well trained army that’s able to repel Russia. The missing element is time.
Say we just handed Ukraine all our military hardware. How are they going to learn to use it in time to repel Russia before Russia destroys them? I don’t recall if MacGregor says it in this interview or some other. He makes the point that an army takes years to make and it’s not easy to do. If that wasn’t the case we could simply contract out our military - buy the weapons and give them to contractors that quickly train and go to war. It doesn’t work. Ukraine is the contractor in this case.
I find it completely repugnant that we string along Ukraine and lead them to slaughter. Exactly what does that say about most of our politicians, our woke generals and some of our people?
Sue for peace with Putin's promise to honor this treaty? Idiocy
As to "little hope for improvement"- F16's and ATACMS
What do we know about MacGregor other than he worked for metrosexual General Wesley Clark? I’m getting sick of all these people. Too many microphones. This is what fills the vacuum. Why not Scott Ritter? He has experience. Buyer beware of Vivek.
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I will tell you what I think about each one. MacGregor sounds and seems solid to me regardless of his past association with Clark. Ritter is also solid, refusing to parrot the party line. I just listened to Vivek’s two hour interview with Sean Ryan on Ryan’s YouTube show and there was not one thing Vivek said that I disagreed with. If he is telling the truth, he would make a great VP for Trump because he has such an imaginative, creative mind. My concern with Vivek is that he seems too good to be true. While he is not technically Constitutionally qualified in my view, his background is a helluva of a lot more trustworthy and legitimate than Obozo’s. I will be watching Vivek in the coming debate. Will he be commanding center stage?
Ukraine doesn't need US soldiers, it needs weapons. ATACMS, F16's, Abrams tanks(3,700 in storage), Bradleys(2,000 in storage), M113's(5,000 in storage), etc
He entered the military in 1975 (I think). He was in the army as we transitioned from conscripts to an all volunteer force. He knows what it takes to build an Army. He was a tactician and field officer who fought in the Gulf War in an armored unit that destroyed an Iraqi Republican Guard unit in a large scale battle that lasted mere hours without casualties to his men. He also was involved in Kosovo. He was a proponent of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, but has since viewed them as abject failures. (Very similar to many of us)
He’s written a couple of books that were disseminated by Bush’s DefSec as motivators to change the way we fight, but that was met with resistance. He essentially committed career suicide by going against the grain of the military establishment, despite the few that supported his changes. That’s the reason he was never promoted to General. I’d say he’s fiercely independent. For instance, in that battle during the Gulf War, “he did it on his own”. He didn’t call in for artillery or air support and was accused of not being communicative during battle, as if while in battle he wanted to be lefted the eff alone so he could do his job - which he did superbly.
He’s not liked by the left or RINOs. President Trump nominated him to be Ambassador to Germany, but was shot down in committee. He briefly served as an advisor to DefSec under Trump at the end of Trump’s term. Trump appointed him to serve on the board at West Point and was quickly fired when Biden came into office. He openly admits that he has “great affection” for Trump and would serve under him if elected again.
He’s accused of being homophobic, xenophobic, and Islamicphobic. He’s anti illegal immigrant. He’s anti refugee and thinks Europe is being destroyed by African and Muslim refugees. He doesn’t does like fags in the military or women in combat. In short, he’s the antithesis of most every general and admiral in our military. He often takes issue with how our military is organized and points to the fact that there are 43 to 44 four stars with their individual thiefdoms that waste huge amounts of defense spending on uncoordinated and inane personal projects. He contrasts that to our military in WWII when we had only 7 four stars and approximately 14 times the number of troops.
That’s what I recall off the top of my head. And oh, I have no idea how he could serve under Wesley Clark. I can’t stand Clark. But career military professionals serve under many different officers and Commanders in Chief. They know it is always a temporary post.
No, they don’t believe that Biden is going to win, they are already running polls about Michelle defeating him in the primary.
I appreciated MacGregor not buying into the (paraphrased) “we need for the Ukrainians to fight the Russians, so we don’t have to” philosophy, by his recognition that it is the same justification that was used at the time for the Vietnam war: the “Domino theory” (If we don’t stop the Commies in Vietnam they will take over the entire region).
Lots of chess strategy here. Biden can't run, they know that. Michelle is too lazy, Gavin to much baggage, I think they will start promoting Whitmer. First women President will get all the kids votes and the female vote. She'll be hard to beat.
Maybe that is what all of the return of the Covid rules about, preparing for Whitmer and her extreme lock downs.
I certainly hope you are not naive enough to think if we went to war against Russia that we would not attack Russia on their home soil. We’ll use cruise missiles, stealth bomber (if they can aren’t grounded due to maintenance) and nearly everything else we can throw at targets inside Russia.
Russia will do the same to us. But there’s a huge difference. We have not invested in the air defense systems of our homeland. We regularly give that kind of thing away to other nations. Our forces are dispersed to tens of nation to provide limited deterrent or project piecemeal unit level power. Our forces are divided. Additionally, we are short on ammunition and military equipment with no capacity to quickly ramp up production. If I were the enemy our ammunition and weapons manufacturing facilities would be high on the target list. It would cripple us. Lastly, due to our woke generals and piss poor use of our forces in losing conflicts around the world, culminating with the abject sickening withdraw from Afghanistan, our military recruiting absolutely sucks. We don’t have the men, weapons or leadership to fight modern militaries like Russia and China.
My stance on this war has been consistent from the very beginning. We have zero national interests in Ukraine that affect a single hardworking American here in the U.S. We should never fight anywhere or support nations where we have no major national interests. Our military needs to be put on a shelf and cleansed of woke generals. It should not be used while we have Biden as CinC and the current joint chiefs and until it is rearmed and we have fixed recruiting. The only exception to that is if we are attacked on our own soil.
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