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To: kiryandil

Another victory for Hero Ukraine! This new Billions of dollar gifts will win the day for Ukraine and the people of Europe! Didn’t you know all it takes is money to win wars? Another grant of cash and Russia is licked, they will pull back and let Ukraine join NATO and EU! Then all will be well and the uber-rich families who run Ukraine can become even Richer! They can rule as long as the US pays the bills (to restore The lands wrecked by evil Putin).


180 posted on 04/23/2024 8:18:17 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (. )
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To: Forward the Light Brigade; UMCRevMom@aol.com; gleeaikin
Forward the Light Brigade: "Another victory for Hero Ukraine!
This new Billions of dollar gifts will win the day for Ukraine and the people of Europe!
Didn’t you know all it takes is money to win wars?"

It appears from these comments that you know nothing of what is in the new $95 billion aid package, of which ~$60 billion is for Ukraine, the rest for Israel ($26 billion), Taiwan and other Indo-Pacific allies ($8 billion).

Ukraine aid includes:

  1. $23 billion to replenish US stockpiles with new, latest model production items.

  2. $14 billion in orders to US manufacturers for shipment of hardware and ammunition to Ukraine.

  3. $11 billion will pay for US military training and operations related to Ukraine.

  4. $8 billion in non-military, humanitarian and government assistance.
This brings total US aid committed to Ukraine, since Russia's February 2022 invasion, to around $174 billion, which compares to circa $228 billion committed by Europe ($208 billion) and others like Japan, South Korea and Canada (~$20 billion).
The E.U.'s total commitment to Ukraine, then, is about 20% higher than the US total, but it's about double ours in terms of the EU's nominal GDP.

The complaint, of course, is that while the Euros have promised a lot, they've delivered much less, and this is an issue Pres. Trump will begin to address directly again in January 2025.

Forward the Light Brigade: "Another grant of cash and Russia is licked, they will pull back and let Ukraine join NATO and EU!
Then all will be well and the uber-rich families who run Ukraine can become even Richer!"

Yeah, well... talk like that is pure Russian propaganda, straight from the information sewer pipes of the Kremlin's Ministry for Agitation and Propaganda, but, let's take it seriously for purposes of discussion.

  1. So, first: roughly 20% of the $104 billion in US aid since Russia's February 2022 invasion of Ukraine has gone to help pay salaries of Ukrainian workers such as teachers, health workers and first responders.

    Another circa 30% has paid for US military operations and training related to Ukraine and our European allies.

    This leaves around 50% of total US aid in the form of military hardware and ammunition sent from old-to-obsolete US stockpiles, US stockpiles which are then replenished with newly manufactured, latest upgrades versions.

  2. Second: under no circumstances will Vlad the Invader's Russia admit defeat or "pull back" from Ukraine.
    Instead, they will have to be pried out, man-by-man and pushed back foot-by-foot, at potentially horrendous costs to Ukrainians themselves.
    Russian propagandists claim they can continue the war for decades, while Russian propaganda says Ukrainians are always on the verge of running out of military manpower.

    The truth of it will only be revealed in time, but the reality of the Old Soviets' invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 is that it took them almost 10 years to admit defeat, and that was after suffering orders-of-magnitude fewer casualties than they have so far in Ukraine.
    So, a fair guess is that Russia will not abandon its invasion of Ukraine until after Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has met his Maker and is slowly roasting over the hottest pits in h*ll.
    When will that happen?
    Could be awhile.

  3. Third, as for Russia "letting" Ukraine joint NATO and the EU, of course, that is not Russia's choice to make, and as of today, such Ukrainian memberships seem all but inevitable.
    Russia will have to suck-it-up, buttercup, and perhaps even make their own peace with NATO and the EU.

  4. Fourth: As for alleged "uber-rich families who run Ukraine", this is pure Russian propaganda projection, since it's Russia's failed democracy which is ruled by its elite class of 400,000 millionaires and over 100 billionaires.

    By stark contrast, Ukraine's GDP is less than 10% the size of Russia's, Ukraine's GDP per capita is less than 40% of Russia's, its population is fewer than 30% of Russia's and its numbers of millionaires is fewer than 1% of Russia's (3,000 Ukrainian millionaires vs 400,000 Russians) and Ukraine has exactly two billionaires as of 2023, compared to over 100 in Russia.

By the way, in the United States these days, there are over 20 million millionaires and nearly 1,000 billionaires.
So, a dollar today doesn't mean as much as it did years ago.

Forward the Light Brigade: "They can rule as long as the US pays the bills (to restore The lands wrecked by evil Putin)."

You can be certain that Russian millionaires and billionaires will be paying a large portion of the reparations bill to rebuild Ukraine.

A fair estimate today is that rebuilding Ukraine will cost a minimum of $1 trillion, and that on conviction of the Russian government for war-crimes, over $300 billion in frozen Russian assets will be seized to help pay for reconstruction in Ukraine.

Any fair resolution to Russia's invasion of Ukraine -- and restoration of normal relations with western countries -- will include Russian government agreement to pay reparations well beyond that $300 billion already all-but-forfeited.

So, it could take a long time.
The West needs to be preparing for the worst.

192 posted on 04/25/2024 5:54:06 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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