Posted on 04/27/2024 4:32:21 PM PDT by Kazan
That absolutely DOES NOT mean we didn't want Zelensky and Ukraine to go to war against Russia and that we didn't kill the peace deal in Turkey in March of 2022.
The war in Ukraine is absolutely the result of our meddling in Ukraine.
We and other NATO countries encouraged Ukraine to sign and renege on the Minsk Accords, which would have brought peace to Ukraine.
The Russians came to us with their security concerns to try to avoid this war in December of 2021 and we won't even talk to them.
At every turn, the Biden and Obama regimes, under Victoria Nuland, WANTED this proxy war.
And, that is who Zeepers like you are defending -- the failed, globalist policies of the Biden and Obama regimes.
What were other motives? Laundering money for himself and his cronies by taking money from us and NATO countries to contine the war?
But the USA wants war
No, the Democrats and RINO’s want war to help increase their bottom line via the MIC.
Americans do NOT want war.
“If you’re referring to Zeepers, the Biden regime, neocons, the Brits, EU and NATO, you’d be right.”
No. I was referring to you.
I am very skeptical of anti-Ukrainian posts for the simple reason that they tend to parrot Putin’s propaganda. Putin is the new Adolf Hitler. Everything he does has a parallel to Hitler. In particular, his excuses for invading Ukraine are nearly identical to Hitler’s excuses for invading his neighbors. And his tactics are also very much like Hitler’s. The Ukrainians found mass graves of Ukrainian civilians when the Russians withdrew from cities that let had taken early in the war. I think we have good reason for assisting Ukraine in this war. In fact, I’d say that Biden’s biggest mistake is that he’s given them far too little help.
To trust the narrative you're buying into requires trusting both the Obama (which set is war off in 2014 by orchestrating the Maiden coup in 2014) and Biden regimes and CIA.
That utterly and totally absurd. You've either been brainwashed or are willfully repeating propaganda if you believe that.
Russia is NOT the old Soviet Union. It is NOT behind an iron curtain. One can go to YouTube and other social media outlets and find out what life is like in Russia under Putin.
There are multiple US expats living in Russia because they feel freer there. C
Biden is closer to being Hitler than Putin. Everything you think or claim to be true about Russia is MORE TRUE OF US under Biden.
We have political prisoners. Our President is trying imprison his political opponent. The FBI has become the KGB. We have two-tier justice system.
Anyone fretting about Russia when all that is going on here is as big a part of the problem as any Democrat or leftist.
I thought he was the new Stalin. I can’t keep up.
You’re just completely nuts if you really believe that. There are a lot of Russian bots on this site though, so I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you’re not nuts, if you follow me.
Good question, but his choice has laid waste to the country he claimed to be defending.
The French weren’t that stupid.
LOL! The people of Crimea and Donbas did not rise up against the government of Ukraine; Russian operatives seized the territories militarily. Nor did the alleged attacks on civilians happen in Donbas. In the first place, Russia seized Crimea before hostilities broke out in Donbas. Secondly, the Russian seizure of Donbas happened too quickly for there to have been the pattern of attacks alleged. Admit the reality, Russia took advantage of the events in 2014 to seize territories that it had long coveted. Now Russia is trying to take more territory and subjugate the entirety of Ukraine. The truth is that this is all the war is about.
Oh, really?
You mean none of the following had an impact on the Ruskie decision.....
-US/NATO broken promise NOT to expand at the USSR breakup in return for giving up East Germany
-the US/NATO invasion of a sovereign country with a democratically elected government in the coup of 2014
-the broken promise of several European nations to follow the Minsk accords -- and subsequent admission it was all a delaying tactic only (in other words -- a big lie)
-Putin's written offer to resolve the matter by diplomacy before the first tank rolled into Ukieland -- which was summarily refused without a counter
-US/NATO announced plan to regime change and break up Russia
Oh, sure. All the Ruskies wanted was the land. Exactly how much land did the Ruskies invade and capture from the time of the USSR breakup until 2014?
Or better yet, how many countries did the US/NATO invade in the same time period? And exactly WHO are the invaders??
Finally, it is noted you did not address the question of what would happen if the Chinese regime changed Mexico and placed missiles in Tijuana. 'Cause that's exactly what Putin is doing to protect his country.
-US/NATO broken promise NOT to expand at the USSR breakup in return for giving up East Germany
Yes, this had nothing to do with it. The Russian claim is a pure fig leave.
-the US/NATO invasion of a sovereign country with a democratically elected government in the coup of 2014
The US/NATO did not invade Ukraine, nor was Yanukovych removed by a US inspired coup. The street protests in 2014 were a popular reaction to Yanukovych's succumbing to Russian pressure to betray his previous support for the EU/Ukraine agreement. When the people protested he used violence against them. He then fled the country and was removed by the democratically elected parliament. There were then two presidential elections afterwards. But pro-Russian propagandists want to ignore all of this and pretend that it was a CIA plot. The last two presidents of Ukraine were elected by the people, not installed by the CIA. Russia's reaction was because it failed in its efforts to control Ukraine through Yanukovych.
-the broken promise of several European nations to follow the Minsk accords -- and subsequent admission it was all a delaying tactic only (in other words -- a big lie)
It was not Ukraine that broke the Minsk accords but Russia. Ukraine passed a law twice granting Donbas autonomy and had announced plans to hold the required referenda. It was Russia that failed to live up to the accords by not withdrawing its forces, by not handing over the border to Ukraine, and by blocking the referenda that Ukraine had planned.
-Putin's written offer to resolve the matter by diplomacy before the first tank rolled into Ukieland -- which was summarily refused without a counter
Not true. Putin's own chief envoy to Ukraine, Dmitry Kozak, has reported that before the invasion he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv for Ukraine to stay out of NATO, but that Putin rejected it because he had expanded his objectives to include annexing large parts of Ukraine.
-US/NATO announced plan to regime change and break up Russia
Private opinions of some commentators, not plans of US/NATO, which were made after Russia's invasion.
Oh, sure. All the Ruskies wanted was the land. Exactly how much land did the Ruskies invade and capture from the time of the USSR breakup until 2014?
Putin has for years publicly stated that he does not believe that Ukraine is a real country, that it is an invention of anti-Russian western powers. He did not act earlier because he was not ready. But under a weak Biden he thought he had the chance for an easy victory.
Finally, it is noted you did not address the question of what would happen if the Chinese regime changed Mexico and placed missiles in Tijuana. 'Cause that's exactly what Putin is doing to protect his country.
Then he would have accepted Zelensky's offer brokered by Dmitry Kozak for Ukrainian neutrality.
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