Posted on 05/08/2024 7:00:20 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
Excellent way to cut out their bias! Love it!
It’s no wonder that they do the works of their real father (John 8:44)
Hence their commitment to the reprobate agendas
and terminating the defenseless unborn babies.
so you woudl have God turn man into a puppet by preventing man from exercising their own free will and sin however they like?
Sin, something that man chose freely by disobeying God’s order in the garden, is to blame, not God- But out of Evil God can and does bring good while still allowing man to choose freely-
Consider the following statements by a Christian think-tank site:
“Most of the ‘evil’ we blame on God are failures of humans to behave in even the most basic, and un-taxing ways—simple respect for the value of others.
“Thousands of Third World children die daily from largely preventable diseases: out of laziness or complacency, certain grownups fail to prevent them. Thousands of First World children are born drug addicts: their mothers have hooked them in the womb. Some people with sexually transmitted diseases knowingly put new partners at a terrible risk. It happens every day.” (Cornelius Plantinga, cited in [PH:CGBT:66])
And the case of the rapist is itself a human failure: the rapist himself, who is called and authorized—as a fellow human—to uphold the dignity and welfare of others, even by intervention in crime prevention (!), instead abandons that responsibility and becomes a traitor…Is this a failure of God to intervene, or a failure of the perp to ‘self-intervene’ and ‘self-prevent’?! Evil often has a face, but it is our face, not God’s.”
Believe me, God bleeds with every drop of innocent blood, weeps with every tear of the violated, grieves on the mourner’s bench with every suddenly-bereaved parent, sibling, or spouse, and is numbed with every shock of the traumatized. [I shudder to think of His emotional response to the case under discussion—where a spectator didn’t intervene because of some theodicy argument—! It is difficult for me to imagine many things more heart-breaking to Him than such a travesty of free will and moral orientation.] But it is we who are to blame for this—not God. This world, with all its powerful creative forces and this community, with its powerful value creation abilities, were given to us. It is our responsibility to prevent violent crime. It is our responsibility to create “stronger attractions” to good. It is our responsibility to accept this authority and quit shifting the blame to God, our histories, our tendencies, our pathologies, our situations, our nature.”
https://www.christian-thinktank.com/2stds.html
“I personally have known the assault of overwhelming grief, the acid-cancer of being intimately betrayed, the anguish of parental helplessness, the paralysis of oppressive fear, the hurt of being maligned, accused, and vilified—God could have prevented these but He didn’t. But I have also known that God offers a ‘special place of grace’ to those so distressed (even me). There is room in His arms for the hurting, there is warmth and comfort and healing and strength (the warm kind of strength, not the ‘cold’ kind) available from Him in honest interaction in prayer, there is help to found in the love of the Man of Sorrows, the nail-pierced One, the Betrayed and Rejected Innocent One, the Suffering Servant. Some aspects of this grace are manifested through people, and some are mediated solely in honest and open prayer.
In short, our Lord seems intimately involved in such events, with preventative ‘creation infrastructure’, with non-force preventative interventions, and with post-event healing interventions, and occasionally, with providential interventions. But His general ‘contract’ of providing a predictable world (not often disrupted by miracle) and a special sphere of authority for our self-management and self-care (not often over-ridden by miracle) would imply that miraculous intervention in cases of our own internal, domestic treachery would be minimized and limited. But in matters of the spirit and heart, His interventions are always available, accessible, and free to the weary…”
From the same link as above post
I remember the 1972 Olympics all too well, and not in a good way.
Were you in Munich at the time? I was at the Munich airport on my way home having exhausted all my vacation time. All flights were immediately halted - going and coming. I think the authorities expected more attacks.
No, I watched it on ABC TV’s live coverage. I remember Jim MacKay’s words,
“They’re all gone” like it was yesterday.
Yeah i agree- that fella at christianthinktank.com is pretty profound in how he dissects things logically- He also tackles very tough, very common objections to God, the bible, Christian beliefs etc- and like you acknowledges that because of sin in the world, the natural order is ‘out of order’ and causes bad things to happen naturally which can’t be blamed on God because man chose sin over obedience, throwing all creation out of whack-
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