Posted on 03/17/2002 1:36:37 PM PST by Sabertooth
o/~ you're so vein, you prolly think this post is about you o/~
No, I think it's just us who throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Ah, but I consider those of us who've been loyal Republicans, yet opposed to Amnesty, to be the baby...
And Dubya to be the foot shooter.
Would the GOP be so divided right now if he hadn't pushed for that 245(i) Amnesty last week?
Isn't that his fault?
It would appear the Democrat Party has catered to two huge blocs of single-issue voters: pro-choice and pro-entitlements. Voting solely for one issue certainly hasn't helped these groups' plight, as one can see by looking at the black vote. Reliably voting for DEM candidates 90-10 has only succeeded in getting blacks' vote taken for granted.
Question is, has the same thing happened to conservatives? I think it's difficult for most here to evaluate that question, as we're a bit too close to the issue. Would the GOP wake up and listen a bit more closely if a legitimate party existed to the right of it, and threatened to take away a sizable chunk of voters? Or would it run toward the middle to gain moderates in order to replace the staunch conservatives it lost?
In 1992, we paid a heavy price because a President Bush took his base for granted.
Was it worth it?
No bread and 1/2 water ration for your insolence.
So taking out my little score card I see, the door cracked open for more stem cell research, more government involvement in public schools, no vouchers, and a whole lot more money poured down a rat hole. I see open borders, a disdain for immigration laws and a worship of illegal aliens, CFR will be the crack in the door to abuse of the 1st Amendment, and we are still in the U.N., in fact instead of Bush refusing to attend a U.N. meeting whose agenda includes taxation of Americans, he's hot footing it to Monterry without a whisper about what his position will be.
So by my tally, the right to bear arms seems only slightly safe for the next few years, even though Bush had said he would have signed some gun control bill that was presented before he was elected. Is this enough to keep me in the Republican camp? Only if I write in Tancrudo.
And Reagan? He supported the same "amnesty" (although it technically isn't) for Mexicans.
Did Bush run on an anti-immigration agenda? I recall it was fairly obvious that he was sympathetic to Americans of Mexican descent, and I don't remember that he hid it.
I don't see any Democrats rising up to quell Mexican immigration (look at the congressional vote), so I assume you will vote for whatever "third party" candidate that runs on anti-immigration. Will it bother you that in the time of greatest peril to freedom, that you might help to insure a Democratic victory by voting for a candidate that cannot possibly win? Or is it simply more important to stop Mexican immigration than to stop terrorism from killing innocent Americans?
You probably should instead ask, Was it worth it to have 8 years of Clinton just to punish Bush for "taking his base for granted"?
Personally, I know what I think. Your answer may vary.
DEFEATING RATS
Seems to me that Bush the Younger is ready to risk losing a decent chunk of voters on a single issue postion that's highly unpopular with 70% of Americans.
He's had plenty of warning.
Maybe not, if his son still hasn't learned the lesson.
It's that kind of thinking that got us 8 years of Bill Clinton. How'd you like his stance on immigration?
Ask me 2-1/2 years from now how gun control would have been any worse under Gore than Bush. Consider how Bush's Patriot Act would have been fought tooth and nail by most Freepers and Congressional Republicans had it been a Gore plan.
I have a great respect for most of your posts, so I am going to try -- one more time -- to give you my understanding of 245(i). According to Dick Armey (on Hannity & Colmes), this is not an amnesty bill. This bill allows an extension to aliens who came here legally on temporary visas. A closer look into the INS has shown that they are so back-logged that it often is not the alien's fault that their visas have not yet been renewed. Armey spoke of driving past the INS every morning and seeing lines that were backed up to the street and around the corner.
And yes, two of the 9-11 terrorists were here on expired visas. They lived such a low-profile lifestyle, however, that no background check would have turned up anything that would have gotten them deported.
245(i) allows aliens who came here on temporary visas and put down roots and started families to have their status reviewed. Once all these people re-register, then all other aliens could be rounded up and deported.
245(i) does not apply to the 3 million illegal aliens who snuck across our borders without paperwork.
I don't know who first labelled this bill as an amnesty for illegal aliens, but if I have understood everything correctly, they have done the country a great disservice simply to get a more stirring headline.
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