Posted on 06/17/2005 9:18:36 PM PDT by bayourod
CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - Immigrants won a handful of protections from the 2005 Nevada Legislature, including measures that preserve their access to college scholarships, aim to improve their health and target human traffickers.
Advocates point to the battle over cutting back the cash-strapped Millennium Scholarship program as the most visible win for immigrants.
Republicans in the Senate had backed a plan that would have prohibited students without Social Security numbers from receiving the $10,000 college tuition awards. Late-night, hot-tempered negotiations blew up when Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas, asked Democrats if they wanted the money to go to "illegal aliens."
Although the issue - along with new grade point average requirements and semester credit limits - forced lawmakers into a special session, the compromise deal removed the Social Security provision and was approved unanimously in the Senate and by a large majority in the Assembly.
"These are children who've gone through the public school system and their parents are paying taxes," said Jan Gilbert of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada. "We believe they deserve (the scholarship) like other students."
A bill that tries to reduce harassment and discrimination in schools ranks high on American Civil Liberties Union lobbyist Laura Mijanovich's list of victories for immigrants. Mijanovich said immigrant children, particularly Muslim girls who wear headscarves, are often bullied, and school employees don't always deal with the complaints.
AB202 requires schools to have a uniform system of reporting harassment or bullying, and mandates staff training.
"They need to understand there's a lot of bias and stereotypes that need to be broken, and I believe this bill will help them deal with it in a more positive way," she said.
Attorney General Brian Sandoval introduced two bills aimed at protecting recent arrivals to the state, including SB456, which cracks down on human trafficking, slavery and forced labor.
Migrant workers in the construction and agricultural industries, and young men and women caught in the sex trade are the most common victims in Nevada, Chief Deputy Attorney General Gerald Gardner said.
The bill rewrites a Nevada law on involuntary servitude to include enslaving someone by confiscating their passport or threatening them with deportation.
"It gives us a far stronger tool to prosecute those trafficking in human slavery by allowing us to get them for physical and nonphysical threats," Gardner said. "It also helps us target the middle men, those who do the recruiting and harboring of trafficking victims."
Sandoval's other effort, which would have regulated businesses that advertise translation services but often dispense specious legal advice on naturalization, died in an Assembly committee.
AB490 ran into opposition from legal experts who argued the businesses were illegally practicing law and should be shut down, not regulated.
Assemblyman Mo Denis, D-Las Vegas was more successful with his proposal to bar notaries public from advertising with the Spanish translation "notario publico" - a common term for "lawyer" in some countries.
Lawmakers also created and funded an Office of Minority Health to coordinate programs to try to improve minorities' access to affordable health care.
Advocates were less successful in pushing a bill that would have required construction companies that have contracts with the state to recruit more minorities and women. Faced with industry opposition, the bill was rewritten as a resolution encouraging women and minorities to take advantage of opportunities in the field.
They were the one claiming the phoney refunds, going to hispanic surnames at the same PO Box. Usually the illegal filed an early tax return using the SSN of a valid US citizen (usually hispanic as well), claiming a big refund. The scam was discovered when the second guy who really owned the SSN filed his return and the computer kicked it out as a duplicate. The second filer was legit, and didn't know the first fraudulent filer. Most of the time it was the tax preparer selling the SSN to the promoters who sold them to the illegals. Everyone but the tax preparer and the promoter were the victims in this scam.
Once again, y'all say "illegal" but all you know is that the name is Hispanic.
Everything you have written amounts at best only to anecdotal evidence that some people with Hispanic surnames commit IRS tax fraud. Nothing you've written is supportive of your statement that "illegals don't pay taxes."
Only in your mind. You think these criminals are such noble folks? You haven't provided any proof that they DO pay taxes, your assertions not withstanding.
The observation of a few, or a dozen or so such incidents would be anecdotal.
My experience over 34 years is not insignificant nor anecdotal.
Any taxes paid by illegals is far outweighed by the social, criminal, health and welfare costs they force upon our society.
Moreover, the IRS would never release the "legal" status of Earned Income Credit or other refund fraud perpetrators because it wouldn't be PC, and they'd expose themselves to taunts of "Racist!, Racist!"
So now you are admitting that illegals do pay taxes?
Anyone who lives in a state where sales tax is placed on food, clothing, gas, etc. is going to have to pay it; there's no way around it. As for filing federal and state taxes, that's a whole different thing. But you knew that already, right?
The point was obvious: even if illegal aliens pay sales tax on the everyday goods they buy, it's still an insufficient amount to cover the costs they place on society. You know, if you want to bamboozle us with your twists and turns of "logic," you'll have to work a little harder at it. (But working hard might mean "doing a job an American won't do," so on second thought, don't stress out too much on it!)
You claim that Auntie Dem's 34 years of experience is merely "anecdotal" and proves nothing. What would your standard be of conclusive proof? And what non-anecdotal evidence have you got to refute Auntie Dem's claim?
By the way, I asked you a few questions a week or so ago, and you didn't really answer them, so I'll ask again, throwing a couple more into the mix:
1) If Americans won't do the tasks that hardworking Mexican laborers will, how hardworking are Americans of Mexican descent? Any reason why they can't be recruited to do that work?
2) How much does the percentage of their Mexican heritage factor in to it - in other words, how much more hardworking is someone who's 100% Mexican compared to, say, half-Mexican?
3) If someone has one Mexican parent and one non-Mexican parent, is there a difference in whether the Mexican parent is the father or mother?
4) Once a Mexican comes to America, how many generations does it take for the "hardworking gene" to be conditioned out and become a lazy, non-hardworking American?
5) If, as you claimed recently, you'd "place American workers against any others in the world" (paraphrasing), then why wouldn't Americans do the menial work that seems to require "migrant laborers" to get done?
I'm sure you can find a way to answer these questions directly and truthfully without coming off as racist as you claim the "antis" are.
You have only assumed illegals pay any income tax, and have offered no proof. Provide us one certified copy of a tax return filed by an illegal showing any tax paid greater than any Earned Income Credit they may have received.
When I say "...any taxes paid by illegals...", I also am assuming that somewhere, some one illegal may have paid a pittance in income taxes. The evidence is abundant of the costs imposed on our society by the illegals--but where are the benefits?
Perhaps you are one of the beneficiaries of their cheap labor, and want to keep profiting from it?
"and that is the problem. Intellectuals have factored right and wrong, legal and illegal, right out of the arguement. "
An abortion is legal, does it make it right?
I think the point he's trying to make is that not all laws are "right" and some have to be modified to take into account real world implications.
In thoery I would support deporting all illegal immgrants but in pratice, I don't think the majority counrty is willing to (or enven wants to)put up the resources to do it because thre is a good chance it could lead to amssive tax increases or bankrupt the cotnry.
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet to correct a wrong.
The difficulty this nation would have faced in the 1810s or 1820s with dealing with slavery at that point would have been very difficult, as it was, it was let slide for political purposes and to avoid that hardship and the resulting civil war costing the lives of hundreds and hundreds of thosuands and decades of reconstruction was much, much worse.
Why in the world would Mexicans stay home? They're not stupid.
They would stay home if there were no jobs for them here. And there would be no jobs for illegals if we had a guest worker program that provided sufficient workers so that employers would not have to resort to hiring illegals.
And what would make these guest workers return to their home countries after their allotted time in a guest worker program had expired? NOTHING.
Guest workers = permanent workers = amnestied workers = future American citizen workers.
Wonder if youll get an actual reply this time.
You gave the numbers 5-30% catch rate. The standard border patrol catches 66-75%. If the 5-30% number is right then I can say pretty clearly that it was designed to fail.
Does that apply to the guest worker bill thst Tancredo filed?
Without the proper provisions built in, yes.
Bttt!
Nevada lawmakers lawbreakers move to protect immigrants criminal aliens.
There; fixed that title for you.
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