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As much as I agree with them, begging for martyrdom is more than just a little stupid.

They are nutcases,

but they do illustrate that anything the government does is backed by the

INHERENT THREAT OF DEADLY FORCE.

Everyone needs to keep this fact foremost in their minds.

"As much as I agree with them, begging for martyrdom is more than just a little stupid."

These two have set out to make an example of themselves, and seem destined to succeed.

I agree, and hope their point is made. That is clearly what they wanted to do. I don’t think they will fire a shot, but I cannot say the same about the government unfortunately.

As much as I agree with them, begging for martyrdom is more than just a little stupid.

Stupid?

I think the Browns believe something on this order (more at http://www.ylana.com/tax7-700.htm):

Full Page USA Today Ad On Illegality Of Income Tax From Robert Schulz 7-7-00

The following is the text of a full-page ad in today's USA TODAY. If you have any questions call me on (518) 656-3578. My name is Bob Schulz. I'm the chairman of the Foundation that ran the ad. _____

Dear We The People:

MOST CITIZENS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO FILE AN INCOME TAX RETURN

THE 16TH ("INCOME TAX") AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION IS A FRAUD

IF YOU FILE, YOU WAIVE YOUR 5th AMENDMENT RIGHTS

These are the major points expressed in a Remonstrance, that was hand delivered to leaders of the three branches of the federal government on April 13, 2000, by a group of citizen-delegates representing all 50 states. These grievances concern alleged illegal operations of the federal income tax system and the IRS.

The Remonstrance was signed by thousands of citizens, and was delivered as part of an event sponsored by We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, a not-for-profit corporation dedicated to research and education in matters of taxation & governance.

The main propositions of the Remonstrance are:

1) The 16th amendment to the U.S. Constitution (the "income tax amendment") was fraudulently and illegally proclaimed to be ratified in 1913. Exhaustive legal research from both state and national archives documented conclusively that the amendment did not even come close to being legally approved by the required number of states. The Courts have refused to hear this issue.

"[Defendant] Stahl's claim that ratification of the 16th Amendment was fraudulently certified constitutes a political question because we could not undertake independent resolution of this issue without expressing lack of respect due coordinate branches of government?."

U.S. v Stahl (1986), 792 F2d 1438

2) Filing a federal income tax return is, in fact, voluntary, because there is no statute or regulation that requires the vast majority of U.S. citizens to file and pay income taxes -- or to have taxes withheld from the money they earn.

Neither the IRS nor the Congress can cite an authorizing law or regulation.

3) Citizens cannot "voluntarily" file a federal income tax return without surrendering their 5th amendment right not to bear witness against themselves.

You can be criminally prosecuted for your "voluntary" return.

Robert Schulz, chairman of the Foundation, and Joseph Banister, a former special agent of the Criminal Investigation Division of the IRS (accompanied by a videographer) delivered copies of the Remonstrance to designated officials of the three branches.

At the White House and the Capitol, the delegates had the opportunity to explain and discuss the contents of the Remonstrance, and to ask that the government send experts representing the three branches to a conference to be held in June, where those experts could debate the tax issues with a group of researchers invited by the Foundation.

The officials agreed to the idea of having such a conference, and the Foundation scheduled the meeting for June 29th.

The officials the delegates delivered the Remonstrance to were: At the White House-Jason Furman, Senior Director and Senior Economic Advisor of the National Economic Council; at the Capitol-Dr. William Koetzle, Legislative Director for Speaker Hastert, and Keith Hennessey, Policy Director for Senate Majority Leader Lott.

However, on June 2nd the White House reneged on the promises it made during the April 13th meeting. As with three previous conferences, the government has again refused to debate the grievances. Jason Furman told Robert Schulz, "The legality of the income tax is not a high priority item at the White House, and we will not participate in any conference on the subject."

Listening to Art Bell the other night I heard him say that an estimated 60 million tax owers are now non-filers. No wonder the gubment is going after the Browns big time.

As much as I agree with them, begging for martyrdom is more than just a little stupid.”

To you,sure. To them, it’s not.