Why Third Party Voters Should Not Be Blamed For McCain's Upcoming Defeat

self | 5/10/08 | levotb

[SecAmndmt]

If the ACU used strict fidelity to the Constitution as the basis for its scoring system, it would actually mean something.

McCain is not a conservative champion of limited government, original intent, the BOR, the pro-life cause, traditional marriage, gun rights, property rights, currency stability, sovereignty, border security (etc) either in his voting record or on the bully pulpit. Not voting for him under any circumstances. If the R party wants to pick a real conservative nominee at the convention (eg. Sanford) the party will receive both my vote and my financial support.

[PhilCollins]

I know many conservatives who think that Sen. McCain is too liberal, and many of those conservatives are considering voting for third-party candidates. I hope that each voter will make that decision, based upon the politics of his or her state, because of the electoral college. I hope that no conservative wants to vote for a third-party candidate, if the vote, in his or her state, will be close, because that might help split the anti-liberal vote, helping the Democrat win all of the electoral votes from that state.

The swing states will be CO, FL, MN, LA, VA, IA, ME, and ND. I hope that all anti-democrat voters, in those states, will vote for McCain and that the conservatives, in all other states, will vote for the candidates with whom they agree the most. The most popular conservative candidate will probably be the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin.

[mavfin]

I do not trust the Dims with the country while we are at war. The Dims simply have to many factions on their side pulling strings to end the war at any cost.

This pretty much sums it up. I don't trust the Dems to do what has to be done. I think they'll try to pull out, realize they've created a bigger mess, then pull out all the way, leaving a huge vacuum over there, and a huge mess here.

Do I agree with everything McCain stands for? No. Do I agree with what the Dem candidates stand for? No. I don't like liberal Obama, or Hillary. There's a lot of you that I don't agree with on everything. (Read my profile, and remember that I defend your right to think differently from me) I do, however, agree with you on the terrorist danger, and that it must be dealt with, not ignored. That, in the end, is why I'll vote McCain.

Do you think FDR got re-elected because everyone agreed with him? Probably not. We were at war. As soon as the Brits could see the end of the war, they booted Churchill out, but not until. I won't bother to mention GWB here other than to say that he's prosecuted the WOT decently, but not much else, which is more than I expected from him when I voted for him to vote against John Kerry.

[cyberella]

Awesome video:

The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.

[cyberella]

[Kitanis]

All this bickering.....its sad.

But I have ONE question to all the supporters of Two party voting.. I.E. voting for McCain or Obama...

Where. in the Constitution dose it say that we operate on a strictly Democrat vs Republican System?

Who I vote for is my own business.. But I do know I will not vote for Obama.

[higgmeister]

All in all I will at this time vote McCain.

And we should all just pay no attention to the Freudian Slip behind the curtain.

[higgmeister]

The fact that said tantrums continue unabated, nonetheless, suggests simple, spiteful ill will, in the final analysis: an swinish unwillingness to accept that principled conservatives -- after all due, deliberate consideration -- have reached a conclusion, re: what to do this 11/04, different from their own.

I will simply attempt to convince you that prosecution of this War Of Islamist Fascism requires someone that has knowledge of our military at least on par with the average Boy Scout.

Obama's military knowledge is nil and he will in all likelihood intentionally bring unimaginable death and destruction to our nation.

Obama will bring diplomacy from the Carter/Clinton school of Madeleine Albright. I weep at the thought.

I have heard my state will be ground zero in this election. Obama must not win. This transcends any petty party principle.

[stockpirate]

All in all I will at this time vote McCain.

And we should all just pay no attention to the Freudian Slip behind the curtain.

I am back at the point where unless and until McCain moves to the right I will not vote McCain.

[PhilCollins]

I know many conservatives who think that Sen. McCain is too liberal, and many of those conservatives are considering voting for third-party candidates. I hope that each voter will make that decision, based upon the politics of his or her state, because of the electoral college. I hope that no conservative wants to vote for a third-party candidate, if the vote, in his or her state, will be close, because that might help split the anti-liberal vote, helping the Democrat win all of the electoral votes from that state.

The swing states will be CO, FL, MN, LA, MN, VA, IA, ME, and ND. I hope that all anti-democrat voters, in those states, will unite and vote for McCain and that the conservatives, in all other states, will vote for the candidates with whom they agree the most. The most popular conservative candidate will probably be the Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin.

[TADSLOS]

But don’t come crying to me a year from now because of your taxes going up to pay for reparations, Muslim indoctrination in your kid’s schools, and the martial law that President Obama declared after the gun confiscation riots.

McCainbot FEARMONGER ALERT! The desperation sets in.

[2ndDivisionVet]

"McCainbot FEARMONGER ALERT! The desperation sets in."

McCainbot? Are you kidding?! I post threads about Barack Hussein Obama EVERY day and I know what we're in for if, by some idiotic mis-step, he is elected president. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend he's not a gun-grabbing, tax-raising Marxist or a Muslim or a whitey-hating black separatist after listening to Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, you go right ahead!!

[TADSLOS]

I don’t make decisions based on fear. Go ‘skeer someone else.

[2ndDivisionVet]

"I don’t make decisions based on fear. Go ‘skeer someone else."

What makes you think I care who you vote for?

[TADSLOS]

What makes you think I care who you vote for?

Spoken like a true McCainbot. After all, we bitter conservatives are a fringe group. Shouldn't you be over at the PUMA site sucking up to Hillary groupies?

[dforest]

Good point. Voting for McCain is like voting for Lieberman.

One and the same.

Can’t do that.

[dforest]

Wow, another good point. You win that one.

[2ndDivisionVet]

"Spoken like a true McCainbot. After all, we bitter conservatives are a fringe group. Shouldn't you be over at the PUMA site sucking up to Hillary groupies?"

I worked for PRESIDENT REAGAN, so you can can that "I'm a conservative and you're not" garbage. If being a "McCainbot" means knowing what an Obama presidency would mean for this country, and voting for McCain to stop that, then I guess I'm a "McCainbot" then. You go ahead and vote for Bob Barr or that complete unknown at the Constitution Party, and console yourself that "I didn't vote for a RINO" even though it would've saved us from the Obamanation. Your skirts are clean, and that's all that matters, right?

[TADSLOS]

Bob Barr? LOL!

[dai_sca]

I wished to respond to all of us, not just your view as expressed here, but to the wider larger dilemma. I see your opinion which I might express this way: What my father(393rd, 509th) was pointing out, before my birth and after, oh, 1948 I know, and then 1952, 1956, and 60, I recall Ike on TV in 56... and then I was pointing out in 1968 and 72, and so on, and finally, we had RR. But what have the Republicans done? More of the same, especially after GHWB won his election. A thousands points of light and more of the same, either party. Didn't the Bush family just purchase 200k acres in South America?

Put it this way: I have voted, bar 1980, when I voted LP, for Republicans across the board. But my heart tells me, that they are all doing the same thing and if I give them my vote, I am giving them my permission. And they are not the conservatives of my grandfather's(Rainbow Division, France, 1918) era, let alone my father. In the early 90s, he revealed to me that he had not thought of WWII as a skirmish, but he was beginning to see that we had won just that only to lose the battle as Kruschev(sic) said we would have do, from within.

Yes, I see a vast difference in the politics of the socialism and communism v a Constitutional Republic-anism.

However, I fail to discern much difference despite temporary respite of a few years of GOP Congressional majority. It is not enough to outweigh the entitlement socialism that existed since FDR, or, heck, since 1913.
Democrat? Republican? They are different, but now, how much are they really different?

I think you see my point. Will my vote in Missouri, elect Obama or not? If it will, then I must vote for McCain. But otherwise, and perhaps anyway, I am grown ill with voting for the lesser of two evils. Maybe, I should vote for him to hasten the “Fall”. Get it over with. I can tell you this much: I have never cast a vote for a Democrat(at any level, because I never want to see their FDR party infrastructure rebuilt (I have met the builder and broken the ridgepole...I shall never build that house again).

If this people, want it... [said Brutus, Romans, admonishing his own Senate, if indeed I can still call you that, you are forging the links in the very chains which Caesar will himself one day make you wear...]if this people want socialism it will be so—the country of liberals has raised three generations to promote it now. And it will last until the greater catastrophe and it will end.

If it is inevitable, and I think it is an “Extraordinairy Popular Delusion...” that is being enabled, then we will be forced to live with the insanity as it plays out and pick up what pieces are left — or — our government will turn it's forces to control us, in which case we have 1984 the fact having a public which no longer worried the fiction. I hear now, that whatever happens with a child alert, someone is supposed to call if they see or think they do, the abductor...so they can “feel” safer.

Now, wasn't it then, F-451 that had all citiZens go to the door to spot the fleeing criminal?

Best regards,
David